I think you will see the migration to this the same way that a lot of people migrated to 1000Base-T. They will use it for connecting switches and for SANs. You may also see it replacing SATA or even for other internal links. I don't think that the limits are the applications. The limit to how useful this is will the machines hooked to it. Right now I wonder how many machines could saturate a 10GbE link?
I think your definition is way to colored by the media. Being deterministic doesn't preclude it being a robot. Take a look at industrial robots. They are very deterministic. The Predator drone seems to be more of a remote control device.
But here is the definition of a robot. Take a close look at 2 and 3.
Main Entry:
robot Listen to the pronunciation of robot Pronunciation:
\r-bät, -bt\ Function:
noun Etymology:
Czech, from robota compulsory labor; akin to Old High German arabeit trouble, Latin orbus orphaned -- more at orphan Date:
1923
1 a: a machine that looks like a human being and performs various complex acts (as walking or talking) of a human being; also : a similar but fictional machine whose lack of capacity for human emotions is often emphasized b: an efficient insensitive person who functions automatically 2: a device that automatically performs complicated often repetitive tasks 3: a mechanism guided by automatic controls
I run XP and Linux. So when did a 3 Ghz machine with one gig of ram become "low end"? I use an old notebook at home. I think it has 512 mb of ram and show Pentium M cpu. It runs the latest Ubuntu just fine. It has an oldish ATI GPU and runs Compiz like a champ. It also runs XP just fine. So how do think it would do running Vista with Aero active? Probably not all that well. That is the problem. Vista isn't worth the pain. Moving from 98 to W2K was worth the effort. Going from 98 to XP was worth the effort. Going from XP to Vista just isn't worth the effort. Right now the only reason I keep XP on at home is for some work stuff and to run FS2004 and FSX. Now if Microsoft would just port those to Linux:)
"Well, I'm not an expert, but with more advanced CPU generations you often also get more work done per clock cycle. The clock rate isn't the whole thing." Actually it was the difference between a 6Mhz 286 and a 12 Mhz 286 so they where the same cpu generation so all the difference is in clock speed in this case.
Well then what is a robot? Are the mars rovers robots? What about the Roomba? I would classify most guided missiles as robots. If it has sensors and reacts to the sensors without human intervention then I say it is a robot. That is exactly what every robot does.
The land mine is probably the least robot like but take a look at a Captor mine. It sits on the sea floor and when it detects a sub it launches a torpedo that searches for the sub and then hits it. Heck that is a robot that fires a robot. But yes your toaster could be considered a simple robot. You give it a command and it executes that task with no guidance from you using a sensor.
"have not met a programmer outside of academia who could answer that question. " Hello nice to meet you. I am a programmer outside of academia. Actually the first CS book I lusted after was Algorithms + Data Structures = Programs by Wirth. My parents bought that for me for Christmas when I was in High School. I don't consider myself a superstar programmer but I would bent that most programmer of that class know at least as much CS as I do.
Really it is just a matter of how long it is between when you pull the trigger. Land mines, Air to air missiles, surface to air missiles, Captor mines, Even some torpedoes are all killer robots and have been around for a good long time.
Yea I was wondering if they used any fossil fuels themselves? Are they taking any money from the State? In Alaska they pay you a reverse tax each year from all the oil that is exported from Alaska. If so I would say... If you are part the problem then why should you sue?
The orginal AT ran at 6Mhz and then was upgraded to 8Mhz soon after it was found that you could just put in a new crystal and get 8Mhz. Your way faster PC was only two to four Mhz faster. Gee that isn't even enough difference to spit at... Just something like 25 to 50 percent. The good old day. I remember swaping out my 8088 for a Nec V20.
Well since it was a video related IT project maybe just a little. While I was working with the users they seemed to think that this project was far from atypical. The developers where very good but they had no experience with this application and just didn't bother to talk to the actual users. Maybe it will not be a disaster this time. It is just when ever the government gets involved things become a mess. The government of Canada is one of our customers. One day we sent them a set of update disks. They stopped them at the boarder. It seems that they needed the value of the disks. Well the updates where free but that wasn't good enough for Canadian customs. I asked them who would pay the tax? They said the government. Then I asked them who would get the tax money? The government... So what was the point? That really got them mad at me. After that we set up a BBS so they could call and download the update. Oh the the US government isn't any better. We had to deal with a bid. The paperwork for out COTS software bid weighed more than fifty pounds!
Well Comcast doesn't do business in the EU. Second I was involved in tv project in an EU country. They could have purchased out software for $8000 a copy so there total cost would have been under $100,000. Instead they spent six million dollars to write their own. It didn't work so they paid us to come over there and tell them what they did wrong. I think we made more money than if they had just bought the software to start with. So I would put that down to "We will see."
Yet find a simple elegant solution to a problem or game and then have everybody copy it. I can understand how he feels. Tetris is a great game. I play it all the time. Is all that FOSS good for is copying others work? I don't think so Frozen Bubble is a lot of fun as are some other FOSS original games. So yea I can see his point.
Not me. I have 3 DVD changer, a PS2, and an HD-DVD player.. Yea I know but I got it for $98 and it is a really nice upconverting DVD player as well. The last think I need is to play DVDs on the Wii. None of my players play DivX so that is the functionality I want. If it could play them over the network even better!
I think your impression is very mistaken. One of the reasons the F-22 price tag went up is that we are buying less of them. The more you buy the cheaper each one is. If they only made 144 Core 2s then each would probably cost a few million.
Thanks I didn't know about the model release. Yea I am sure that most people didn't get it. It hit pretty close to home. I do understand that the GPL is dependent on copyright law. However I am not so sure that you are underestimating the number of people on Slashdot that are lacking even that half of a clue. Notice that my post is now down to a Troll. Maybe it is a troll but frankly I think it needs to be said.
They are using it for advertising and not selling the photo. I would say this is less profit based than say Piratesbay where they are using links to torrents of pirated material to make money from selling ads.
Well for one thing data and information are the same thing. The funny thing is I do believe that piracy is wrong. My post had more to do with they hypcracy on Slashdot than anything. Notice the evil cooperation posts trying to justify this. If it is okay for this guy to sue and for the FSF to threaten legal action over the GPL then it is okay for file shares to get sued. Now the MPAA and RIAAs tactics are another thing. If you don't think that file piracy is a crime then this guy is also part of the problem. You can not have it both ways.
Now don't get me started on photographers! I think it is TOTALLY outrageous that I hire a photographer to take pictures of me and then he owns the rights to those pictures! Now that is the dumbest thing I ever heard of but it is the way that it works.
Better means stable, fast, and full featured. Currently there are no drivers for modern cards that are not in at last some large part written the company that produces them. The FOSS Intel driver is mainly written by Intel and actually has several parts of it obscured. I still doubt that a FOSS driver that is based just on the documentation will be more stable than the proprietary driver. FOSS isn't magic. I have had issues with Firefox and FSpot with stability. Nothing terrible but problems none the less. Heck I would love to buy a good ATI card with FOSs drivers I need to upgrade my video card soon so I am hopeful but I don't believe in magic.
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HD-DVDs can not be played on regular DVD drives.
Duel format HD-DVDs could.
I think you will see the migration to this the same way that a lot of people migrated to 1000Base-T.
They will use it for connecting switches and for SANs.
You may also see it replacing SATA or even for other internal links.
I don't think that the limits are the applications. The limit to how useful this is will the machines hooked to it. Right now I wonder how many machines could saturate a 10GbE link?
I think your definition is way to colored by the media. Being deterministic doesn't preclude it being a robot. Take a look at industrial robots. They are very deterministic. The Predator drone seems to be more of a remote control device.
But here is the definition of a robot.
Take a close look at 2 and 3.
Main Entry:
robot Listen to the pronunciation of robot
Pronunciation:
\r-bät, -bt\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Czech, from robota compulsory labor; akin to Old High German arabeit trouble, Latin orbus orphaned -- more at orphan
Date:
1923
1 a: a machine that looks like a human being and performs various complex acts (as walking or talking) of a human being; also : a similar but fictional machine whose lack of capacity for human emotions is often emphasized b: an efficient insensitive person who functions automatically
2: a device that automatically performs complicated often repetitive tasks
3: a mechanism guided by automatic controls
I run XP and Linux. So when did a 3 Ghz machine with one gig of ram become "low end"? :)
I use an old notebook at home. I think it has 512 mb of ram and show Pentium M cpu. It runs the latest Ubuntu just fine. It has an oldish ATI GPU and runs Compiz like a champ. It also runs XP just fine.
So how do think it would do running Vista with Aero active?
Probably not all that well.
That is the problem. Vista isn't worth the pain. Moving from 98 to W2K was worth the effort. Going from 98 to XP was worth the effort. Going from XP to Vista just isn't worth the effort.
Right now the only reason I keep XP on at home is for some work stuff and to run FS2004 and FSX.
Now if Microsoft would just port those to Linux
"Well, I'm not an expert, but with more advanced CPU generations you often also get more work done per clock cycle. The clock rate isn't the whole thing."
Actually it was the difference between a 6Mhz 286 and a 12 Mhz 286 so they where the same cpu generation so all the difference is in clock speed in this case.
Well then what is a robot? Are the mars rovers robots?
What about the Roomba?
I would classify most guided missiles as robots. If it has sensors and reacts to the sensors without human intervention then I say it is a robot. That is exactly what every robot does.
The land mine is probably the least robot like but take a look at a Captor mine.
It sits on the sea floor and when it detects a sub it launches a torpedo that searches for the sub and then hits it. Heck that is a robot that fires a robot.
But yes your toaster could be considered a simple robot. You give it a command and it executes that task with no guidance from you using a sensor.
"have not met a programmer outside of academia who could answer that question. "
Hello nice to meet you. I am a programmer outside of academia.
Actually the first CS book I lusted after was Algorithms + Data Structures = Programs by Wirth. My parents bought that for me for Christmas when I was in High School.
I don't consider myself a superstar programmer but I would bent that most programmer of that class know at least as much CS as I do.
Ask them who Knuth is.
Really it is just a matter of how long it is between when you pull the trigger. Land mines, Air to air missiles, surface to air missiles, Captor mines, Even some torpedoes are all killer robots and have been around for a good long time.
Yea I was wondering if they used any fossil fuels themselves? Are they taking any money from the State? In Alaska they pay you a reverse tax each year from all the oil that is exported from Alaska.
If so I would say... If you are part the problem then why should you sue?
The orginal AT ran at 6Mhz and then was upgraded to 8Mhz soon after it was found that you could just put in a new crystal and get 8Mhz. Your way faster PC was only two to four Mhz faster. Gee that isn't even enough difference to spit at...
Just something like 25 to 50 percent.
The good old day.
I remember swaping out my 8088 for a Nec V20.
Well since it was a video related IT project maybe just a little. While I was working with the users they seemed to think that this project was far from atypical. The developers where very good but they had no experience with this application and just didn't bother to talk to the actual users. Maybe it will not be a disaster this time. It is just when ever the government gets involved things become a mess. The government of Canada is one of our customers. One day we sent them a set of update disks. They stopped them at the boarder. It seems that they needed the value of the disks. Well the updates where free but that wasn't good enough for Canadian customs. I asked them who would pay the tax? They said the government. Then I asked them who would get the tax money? The government... So what was the point? That really got them mad at me. After that we set up a BBS so they could call and download the update.
Oh the the US government isn't any better. We had to deal with a bid. The paperwork for out COTS software bid weighed more than fifty pounds!
If you saw the pigs breakfast they made of the project you wouldn't be sure.
Well Comcast doesn't do business in the EU.
Second I was involved in tv project in an EU country. They could have purchased out software for $8000 a copy so there total cost would have been under $100,000. Instead they spent six million dollars to write their own. It didn't work so they paid us to come over there and tell them what they did wrong. I think we made more money than if they had just bought the software to start with.
So I would put that down to "We will see."
Yet find a simple elegant solution to a problem or game and then have everybody copy it.
I can understand how he feels. Tetris is a great game. I play it all the time. Is all that FOSS good for is copying others work? I don't think so Frozen Bubble is a lot of fun as are some other FOSS original games.
So yea I can see his point.
Well for one I have a Wii already. Also I don't want any more devices hooked to the TV right now.
Not me. I have 3 DVD changer, a PS2, and an HD-DVD player.. Yea I know but I got it for $98 and it is a really nice upconverting DVD player as well.
The last think I need is to play DVDs on the Wii. None of my players play DivX so that is the functionality I want. If it could play them over the network even better!
I don't care about an SNES emulator. I just want a Divix player.
I think your impression is very mistaken.
One of the reasons the F-22 price tag went up is that we are buying less of them. The more you buy the cheaper each one is.
If they only made 144 Core 2s then each would probably cost a few million.
Thanks I didn't know about the model release.
Yea I am sure that most people didn't get it. It hit pretty close to home. I do understand that the GPL is dependent on copyright law. However I am not so sure that you are underestimating the number of people on Slashdot that are lacking even that half of a clue.
Notice that my post is now down to a Troll. Maybe it is a troll but frankly I think it needs to be said.
They are using it for advertising and not selling the photo. I would say this is less profit based than say Piratesbay where they are using links to torrents of pirated material to make money from selling ads.
Well for one thing data and information are the same thing.
The funny thing is I do believe that piracy is wrong. My post had more to do with they hypcracy on Slashdot than anything. Notice the evil cooperation posts trying to justify this.
If it is okay for this guy to sue and for the FSF to threaten legal action over the GPL then it is okay for file shares to get sued. Now the MPAA and RIAAs tactics are another thing.
If you don't think that file piracy is a crime then this guy is also part of the problem.
You can not have it both ways.
Now don't get me started on photographers! I think it is TOTALLY outrageous that I hire a photographer to take pictures of me and then he owns the rights to those pictures!
Now that is the dumbest thing I ever heard of but it is the way that it works.
What happened to Imaginary Property Rights???
Why is it okay for a geek to sue for this?
I mean data wants to be free and that picture is just data.
Better means stable, fast, and full featured.
Currently there are no drivers for modern cards that are not in at last some large part written the company that produces them. The FOSS Intel driver is mainly written by Intel and actually has several parts of it obscured.
I still doubt that a FOSS driver that is based just on the documentation will be more stable than the proprietary driver. FOSS isn't magic. I have had issues with Firefox and FSpot with stability. Nothing terrible but problems none the less.
Heck I would love to buy a good ATI card with FOSs drivers I need to upgrade my video card soon so I am hopeful but I don't believe in magic.