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Wii Homebrew Takes Several Leaps Forward
Croakyvoice writes "Fans of Homebrew on the Nintendo Wii can celebrate with an explosion of releases
today, in just a few hours there has been a release of a proof of concept version of Linux for the Wii, an MP3
Player, the Super
Nintendo emulator Snes9X has been ported and a converter that converts Gamecube Dol files into Elf for usage on the Wii (Which opens up a multitude of emulators and homebrew games and applications). A tutorial on how to get homebrew working with the Twilight
Hack will help those interested."
I understand Grandpa brewed his own during prohibition, and though he heard rumors that the police were polluting some brewer's beer with Wii, he said tey never got hold of his brew.
Can you Wii while you're leaping? I mean, without getting wet?
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Nintendo is sure to be pissed, or wii'd?
In regards to the Linux, I just have to wonder at the utility of it all... I've got some old slot 1 Pentium 3s in my garage that would provide more 'oomph' then the Wii can provide. Mostly due to increased memory, available agp slots and ease of use. However I always applaud these kind of modifications to CEs.
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.. it wouldn't surprise me if their next system update doesn't block this too. Though the main difference between this and the 360 exploit would seem to be that the Wii doesn't, as yet, force you to update in order to get online. The part of this that interests me the most is the SNES emulator - hopefully this might cause Nintendo to look at their pricing plan for the Virtual Console games. Seven quid for an unenhanced SNES game seems a bit pricey.
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...they're getting there. Meanwhile, game programmers have been working with the (admittedly limited) Opera Browser to produce games designed for the Wii. WiiCade is even paying for games now, something which you won't find out of other homebrew ventures.
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It's not a perfect solution, but it does work, and it works well enough to play some pretty cool stuff. And you can even get paid to perform your hobby! How cool is that?
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I don't care about an SNES emulator. I just want a Divix player.
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I bought that Zelda game along with Red Steel when the Wii came out (yup, i preordered in a COMET in the UK). I played it for maybe 5 hours (not straight, at different times) and got really bored. The first two hours is a really boring tutorial and the next hours are so monotonous that I just stopped playing it. It has been gathering dust since then. I was thinking of trading it but with these news I do not think so!)
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It seems that their attempts to host a website on a Wii has failed.
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that the users can finally play games for their vintage gaming systems free of charge.
There seems to be a weird message on http://wii-linux.com./ Anything related?
Bottom line:
How much will it cost me to run homebrew games on the wii?
Will it void my warrenty?
How about a homebrew friendly game console?
If 7 dollars is too much for an unenhanced SNES game, what do you think a fair price is, 6 dollars? They can only go so low. I spent 7 dollars on a McDonald's value meal at O'Hare this weekend. I spent 6 bucks on a coffee this morning. THOSE are outrageous prices. Getting to play ActRaiser/SMW/Mario Kart/etc. again sure as hell gives me more value for my dollar than that Big Mac did. If you won't get 5-7 dollars worth of enjoyment out of it, don't buy the game.
I won't care until I can run this off of my SD card plugged into the Wii, as opposed to needing an SDGecko to go through my Gamecube Memory card port. Until then, ZZzzzZZZzzzzzZZ
"Wii Homebrew Takes Several Leaps Forward" ... I was expecting a footwear-related hack.
I think you mean "milkshake".
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I'd be happy to play regular DVDs on my Wii. A DivX player is icing on the cake for me!
.. I said 'pounds'. The actual cost of buying a SNES from the Virtual Console, if you're in the UK, works out as a total of eleven dollars. So we're paying over the odds compared to the US anyway.
360s support divx natively as of the latest Dashboard update, so if you want a Divx player one of the easiest thing to right now is to just buy a cheap 360 (about the same price as a wii) and stick em on a USB flash drive or external HD or something.
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Not me. I have 3 DVD changer, a PS2, and an HD-DVD player.. Yea I know but I got it for $98 and it is a really nice upconverting DVD player as well.
The last think I need is to play DVDs on the Wii. None of my players play DivX so that is the functionality I want. If it could play them over the network even better!
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You mean like any ~$50 regular DVD-player that already does DivX. Why spend 3 times as much on something the person obviously is not interested in?
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No?
Awesome.
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How are they going to stop it? It's a exploting a buffer overrun in the Zelda save game loading code. What are they going to do, issue a firmware update that prevents the Wii from storing Zelda saves?
But does it run ...
It does? Sweet.
He did say "quid", which would put it at more like $14 USD.
Wonder if the twilight hack can break region locking so euros can actually get Smash Bros Brawl this year!
Uhh...he said 'quid' - common parlance for 'uk pound sterling'.
Seven of whch equal around 13.50 of your US dollars...so yet again we are being ripped off royally over here on 'treasure island'.
£7 is $14 is about four times what I'd spend.
The PS3 has been running Linux on its Cell CPU's PPC core for several releases now, including several official Ubuntu PS3 releases. Sony does lock out the RSX graphics chip to Linux, but the Cell's 6 SPUs (pipelined DSPs) are wide open for development. And now that developers have ported video drivers to the SPUs, the PS3 is a hot little multimedia PC. I watch downloaded 1080P HD videos (and regular upsampled MPG/WMV/AVI/etc) right on the same 50" HDMI TV I surf the web (and watch Blu-Ray discs) and program with. And when Sony releases the PlayTV 2-channel DVB TV tuner for PS3 next month, I expect my Linux PS3 will beat TiVo at its own game, too.
The Wii is just getting started as "homebrew". Its HW isn't nearly as screaming as the PS3, nor as designed to be open for Linux. Hacking it sounds like a fun toy, which is why people buy the Wii. But the PS3 is already starting to be a Linux platform more interesting than even its gaming. A few more leaps forward on the PS3 and the Wii will look so 21st Century.
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The firmware gets involved when the save file is copied from the SD card to the internal memory. Since the save can't be copied off the SD card directly, they can just verify the save before they copy it. Alternately, the games probably use an API from firmware to access save data. They could special case accesses from RZD* and verify at that point.
No, Xbox1 and XBMC was the killer app. Wii cannot compare with what XBMC was 3 years ago.
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A fiscal idiot. Seriously. You should have stopped beforehand at a Burger King and gotten a Whopper (a real one, not a "Whopper Jr.), fries and drink for $2. I do it all the time.
And who the fuck pays $7 for a coffee? Cappuccino at Exxon: 77 cents.
As I recall the P3's weighed in at around 60-80 watts at the wall. The Wii uses 19 watts at full load.
If 7 dollars is too much for an unenhanced SNES game, what do you think a fair price is, 6 dollars?
If shipping and handling of a physical product were involved, I would say no. However, we are talking about ROMs that are a fraction of the size of songs that you would find on iTunes that apparently make Apple and others money at being sold at $.99 a pop.
Obviously, bandwidth isn't the issue here.
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Yeah, its nice how DivX has finally gotten some love. The latest PS3 update also turned on DivX support (can stream it from a DLNA compliant server also :) ).
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I could give a rat's ass about the price of the Virtual Console games. I bought a Wii so I could play the old games from my childhood, and I knew the price points when I bought in. What I didn't know was how pathetically slow the release of classic games would be. I really don't care about some obscure NeoGeo game, Nintendo, just hurry up and release all the best selling SNES and N64 games.
Now that there is an emulator on the Wii, maybe Nintendo will get the message that if they don't hurry up and release the games I want, I'll just pirate them.
Seriously, when will media copyright holders learn that if they want me to buy their products legally, they need to actually sell them when I want them? I mean, seriously, the least give release dates so I know that I'm not waiting in vain.
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Your money well spent? $7 leads to a lifetime enjoyment video game. Or $7 which leads to a heart burn that turns into a heart attack and diarrhea from Mickey-Dees.
Well for one I have a Wii already. Also I don't want any more devices hooked to the TV right now.
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wasn't there a guy right before new year who was able to sign his own code? (something about transfering all the ram through the controller ports).
Why hasn't there been any news on that?
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You know, suprising as it seems, the VC is not actually that big of a rip-off (depending on the title). Cost analysis has shown that it can be cheaper to byt the VC versions than their physical counterparts, especially for rarer titles. So while it seems like they are overpriced, with many exceptions (mainly the popular games), it can be cheaper to buy it off VC than used - not to mention the developers/publishers of the game get some money in that case.
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Why don't I just not pay anything and just play the thousands of ROMs I have stored on my PC??? I never got excited over the whole Wii virtual console deal, mind you it's great for those new gamers that never played the old games and do not own them, but I still own most of my old SNES and NES games and I have backup ROM files and emulators on my PC that actually can ENHANCE the graphics slightly! Anyone who would purchase those on the Wii has more money than brains. Rant over.
Btw before anyone says it, ROMS and emulators are 100 percent legal if you own the original game which I do. A few Gb's on the ol' hard disk just takes up slightly less space than thousands of cartridges and a stack of systems and wires which I just keep in storage.
Seriously. I know, and EVERYONE ELSE knows that airport prices are usurious. I once had a flight delay, and was given a $15 voucher. WOO HOO i thought, a free meal. So buy a small sub sandwich, fries and a drink, and bill comes out $18!!!!! I still had to shell out some bux.
So in short, unless you are on some ungodly long transatlantic flight, EAT BEFORE YOU SET FOOT IN THE GODDAMN AIRPORT!!! Or wait till you are out. Are you that weak in withstanding hunger that you cannot wait a couple hours to eat? People in Ethiopia do it all the time, I'm sure you can too. Or are you one of those gluttons that must gorge on food every hour?
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It's overpriced compared to free, which is what lots of people have had for years while waiting for legitimate ways of playing the older games.
As a Wii developer I am amazed by the progress of the homebrew community. It's hard enough to get a devbox up and running with the official Nintendo SDK, complilers, utilities, manuals, and sample code; but to do all of it without any of that information at hand is just unbelievable. On top of all that, using a toolchain that doesn't include a devkit for quickly testing builds must really take a huge amount of dedication. Hopefully Nintendo recognizes the best of the homebrew games and offers authorized developer status to the creators, it'd be great to see the better titles make it to WiiWare.
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Wait... what? You said you have an HD-DVD player, so I'm guessing you care about video quality -- so why would you want something that can play DivX? It was a subpar codec at its peak, only popular because software encoders & decoders were free -- but there's no reason today to not use h.264 instead. XviD if you absolutely have to.
The easiest (well, nerdiest) solution, though, is to just build a MythTV box and use that.
Uh, 7GBP = $14US. So watch out for those £6 coffees, bub.
Samus dissapears completely when you get hit on the wii console version that you buy. That is just a big pain in the ass if you get hit by an enemy and drop 40 feet down. If you are going to offer old games, make them run much smoother with appropriate filters such as Supereagle etc.. The games are just plain choppy too.
I for one welcome our better SNES alternative than what the people who created the SNES are providing.
Please, oh please, please, puh-leeeeeze, somebody with the free time and passion please port MAME and SCUMMVM to the Wii.
Now that would rock.
Perhaps it will beat Duke Nukem Forever.
This exploit is equivalent to the MechAssault exploit on the XBox, I believe. The only way to patch it is to release a patched version of the game disc, and even then the old version will still work.
I could be wrong on this, as I don't know exactly how the Wii's OS interacts with the games, but this is my understanding of the way things work.
That's very true. Go see a movie. That's $12 for 2 hours of entertainment. $10 for a copy of Mario64 or Zedla OOT is a much better deal than most of the other forms of entertainment. It's $5 to rent a movie at most places now. Download Excitebike, and you'll probably get much more enjoyment.
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Of course, the right price is what the market will bear. So by increasing the supply of free games, the market bears only a lower price.
Sounds unethical, but dammit, I own all the SNES carts I like. some I've bought more than once. I'm not paying $7 for yet another copy. I can play it on my PS3, thanks much, streamed from my media server along with many other games to Ubuntu on the bigscreen. MAME, NES, N64, SNES, Atari, Genesis. Old games should belong to the public domain, not Nintendo. But for the convenience of a fresh copy, I would happily pay $2.
Granted, I'm not being realistic. And Nintendo is doing a better job than Sony with the old downloadable games. But the PS3 is so much more open than the other systems it's not even funny. Not sure this is helping the bottom line for Sony at all, but it's helping reduce my frown-lines!
Definitely an awesome feature, which I've used dozens of times since it came out. Great for streaming from the network.
:( I still have to burn my anime and play it on my XviD-capable DVD player.
But, it still has some way to go. FF and RW can stutter off the network, understandably. Worse, the 360 cuts off the edges of anime, regardless of which zoom function you use. I don't know if you've ever watched anime, but the edges are where they put the subtitles, goddamnit.
I hear X-Box Media Center is great, though.
New message from Nintendo -- you can now update your Wii Menu to version 3.2. "Once installed, if a Game Disc is inserted into the Wii console and an update is required, a notification message will be displayed across the Disc Channel alerting you to update your system." "After February 26th, those who have already done the update will not need to update again." Who didn't see this coming?
I'm involved fairly closely with the creators of the original exploit, so I know a bit about Wii security.
The way it's currently implemented, as soon as we start hacking the firmwares they put out, we've effectively won the battle for current consoles. Wiis contain a separate security ARM processor unofficially dubbed the "starlet". It is here that all of the interesting security takes place, and it is also responsible for most of the wii-specific hardware that the gamecube lacked. Ultimately, the consoles carry an unmodifiable boot ROM which loads an also unmodifiable boot1 bootstrap loader (unmodifiable because, although it sits in flash, it is checked against a hash stored in OTP memory). Boot1 is buggy. Boot1 loads Boot2, and we'll probably start hacking boot2 and the next step (the actual operating system and drivers that run on the starlet). This is going to be similar to the PSP scene, most likely: Nintendo will put out updates, but we'll work around them. We can also modify the existing firmware to prevent updates from happening.
However, new consoles can come with an updated boot1 (the OPT hash is programmed at the factory). Those might be impossible to hack the same way. However, the OS is buggy and other hacks can be found.
Their next system update may block this, but people just have to hold off until hacked firmwares come out. Worst case, you can always apply the hack to current consoles by directly modifying the Flash memory in the Wii.
All this only applies to the security system though, and the bug that was used for the demo at 24c3. It is rather unlikely that Nintendo will patch the Zelda bug (which is what we're using to boot current homebrew, not the meaner more powerful 24c3 bug) from firmware somehow, so there is a very good chance that we'll always have options for booting homebrew. Besides, we can find exploits in other games, easily. The 24c3 bug lets us get total system access, but even if they lock that out in newer consoles, we can still get homebrew running via game exploits.
"If 7 dollars is too much for an unenhanced SNES game, what do you think a fair price is, 6 dollars? "
And this is what I hate about software, I own many said games games already. Technically I still own the liscense to play the game, so why exactly should I have to pay for it if I can provide proof of purchase? Saying Nintendo loses money or some other crap is just a bunch of BS. They have oodles of cash since the Wii is successful, emulation proves people will work and give away their work for free. After all emulators are not easy to make and yet people make them because they are fans and most importantly so that they can have access to the games they purchased if in sometime in the future the hardware company goes belly up or stops selling/supporting replacements.
Right now consumer rights for digital stuff is in the dark ages, you would never sell someone a car they couldn't fix or modify, yet we do that with software and I hate it. When you see great stuff like Freespace 2 SCP http://scp.indiegames.us/news.php
It just makes me angry that old games can't be updated to work when they break because of new hardware and newer OS's, etc, because of closed source bs. Hence the emulation seen, there's DOSBOX which has been around for a while, but doing other 'newer' games is more complicated.
Sorry, still to expensive for some of those old games, maybe 10$ for 3 of them would be nice or something.
They are still getting a 10$ transaction but the user gets to chose his 3 games.
Sure 7$ a pop is still selling but I'd think they would be likely to sell many more at more reasonable pricing.
The 360 won't play DivX 3 files, though, and there are plenty of those remaining out in the wild. I had to install TVersity to get my 360 to play all my AVIs, and it's still not as good as Xbox Media Center. XBMC on the Wii would be a killer.
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I think you're forgetting the fact that the games put out on the Virtual Console are all ROMs of titles released years and years ago. Nintendo can charge nothing for them if they want and still not lose money on them as they already paid for the games' development (and made profits) back in the day.
Certainly the titles licensed from people like SEGA and Hudson bring a certain amount of licensing costs that Nintendo's own games don't have, but even those titles are simply digital distributions of code that would otherwise just be lying around on a hard drive taking up space.
Financially there really is no bottom limit to how much Nintendo could charge, but based on the success of their current VC system, the prices they are currently charging are not too high for the majority of gamers despite the fact that these games can be acquired with little effort for free via piracy.
In short, don't expect Nintendo to NOT drop prices based on the idea that they can't profit with lower prices for these games, but at the same time, don't expect a price drop in general simply because people find their pricing quite reasonable.
All i want is Scummvm on my wii then i will be happy.
However there's no way they could sell as many ROMs at 1$ a pop as Apple can sell songs at 1$ a pop, a game lasts much longer than a song and you only need a handful of them unfinished. Also the number of games that will sell well is much smaller than the number of songs that will sell well. I'd say every artist releases an album about as often as a game company releases a game, there's both more music artists and dozens of songs per album.
If every game was 1$ you'd just buy one of those 20$ cards and can buy pretty much everything you care about for that, no?
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(you've got thousands of console games in original? Wow, that's a lot of money. Don't go around expecting everyone to have that, though)
Most people didn't buy all the games or consoles they might have wanted to play and getting them legally now isn't easy or cheap, on fleamarkets you'll easily pay the same for a game as you would for a VC download but the physical cart can end up defective. I got ROMs on the Wii for consoles I haven't even seen in stores. Pretty much anything besides SNES or Gameboy games is impossible to find now (granted, the Gameboy isn't available on the Wii yet). While it's not great if you have everything already the vast majority of people don't have everything.
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What license? Did your games come with an EULA or something? Mine didn't, just a notice that the data on the cart is covered by copyrights and trademarks, probably some patents too. This whole EULA bullshit may have made people think of software as licenses but without an EULA you just bought a physical copy you can use, nothing more, nothing less.
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I believe that Nintendo just released a Wii update (v4.3) is this the previous update you're referring to which blocked Freeloader?
Ok, first of all...the DOL --> Elf convertor doesn't magically let you run Gamecube homebrew in Wii mode. I mean, you can load the resulting ELF, but at the very least you won't be able to control anything (you don't access Gamecube controllers the same way in Wii mode). Apparently it's not so difficult to port Gamecube homebrew, but you can't load up this GCN program with no modification and expect it to all work exactly as it should (though it probably WILL boot up).
Second, the snes9xGX port isn't a Wii port, it was all a big misunderstanding. It's for Gamecube or Gamecube on Wii, the post on tehskeen predates Wii homebrew by a good lot. That being said, I think someone is trying to port one of the Gamecube versions to the Wii, so I'd keep an eye out for that.
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I know some VC titles are bound to sell extremely well for 7-10 dollars, for example SMB3, mario kart etc... But they could offer some package deals that would attract more buyers to the less popular titles. Maybe packs of 10 snes games for 30 dollars. Even a subscription-based system that would grant access to all VC titles for 8-10 dollars a month might work well.
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The copyright should have expired for SNES games after 10 years if our copyright law was implemented properly. These games should all be free, I bought them new 14 years ago, I shouldn't have to buy them again.
You bought them *all* 14 years ago?! You must have been rich, I wish I was your friend back then.
What proof do you have that the 'proper' length of copyright is 10 years? Is that some magical universal constant you discovered, or it just fits well with your pet theories?
Why spend 3 times as much on something the person obviously is not interested in?
DivX is a container format. Codecs are changing rapidly. If you have no possibility to upgrade/download/modify your DixX player you are screwed. Yesterday for example I had to downlad "an upgrade" (?) for the Audio. Don't ask me what, I know almost nothing from that part of the computing world. The "offical" DivX player was installed on my laptop a couple of weeks ago.
Now that Nintendo has announced the expansion of WiiWare to include new games and third-party developers, I'm a little less obsessed with hacking the Wii.
Although I like the idea of Virtual Console games, I haven't bought any yet... I don't really want to play games with a GameCube or Classic controller, I want to play games with the Wii controller! I've felt for months that Nintendo was squandering some big potential. I think being able to buy games designed for the Wii (using the Wii remote and internet connections and etc.) will REALLY improve the system.
Of course, I wish all kinds of luck to the hackers. What they are doing will also only make things better... I doubt Nintendo will ever actually give us any kind of real media playing support for example, and homebrewers will hopefully come up with some really cool stuff.
Now that Nintendo has announced the expansion of WiiWare to include new games and third-party developers, I'm a little less obsessed with hacking the Wii.
Although I like the idea of Virtual Console games, I haven't bought any yet... I don't really want to play games with a GameCube or Classic controller, I want to play games with the Wii controller! I've felt for months that Nintendo was squandering some big potential. I think being able to buy games designed for the Wii (using the Wii remote and internet connections and etc.) will REALLY improve the system.
Of course, I wish all kinds of luck to the hackers. What they are doing will also only make things better... I doubt Nintendo will ever actually give us any kind of real media playing support for example, and homebrewers will hopefully come up with some really cool stuff.
It';s an automatic disqualification of the point, as should any logical fallacy.
Most people aruond these parts only have one point, so it can default to a win.
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"Did your games come with an EULA or something? Mine didn't"
Yes actually they did, you technically don't 'own' the game only the liscense to play it, it's the same thing as a EULA essentially, I know if I dig through my old nintendo games I'll something like the EULA.
I'm actually looking to consolidate. I don't have an upscaling DVD player currently (just an normal progressive scan one), so I'm not going to miss it if my Wii played my DVDs instead.
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If the Wii did play DVDs, then I can get rid of the stand-alone DVD player and have one less item hooked up on the entertainment stand. I'm all for that
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Interesting, I've never seen any form of contract in any console game except Phantasy Star Online and that was just the online play terms of use. Grabbed the box of Metroid Prime 3 Corruption at random, the manual doesn't mention the word license at all, only says that using the game with illegal hardware voids the warranty and that the game is subject to copyright. Even tells you "thank you for buying this disc". Next sample, Megaman X for the SNES. No license again, only a copyright notice and the warranty again. Where exactly did you see anything like an EULA?
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Oh, so thats why my 3 year old DivX-movies, and a lot of new ones, still works on my one year old DVD-player. Thats rapid.. Most DVD-players play DivX version 5 which most movies are encoded in, a lot play version 6 which some are made in. Unless you buy a real budget player without checking the versions, you shouldn't have a problem.
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Chrono Trigger is a close second, but yah, Secret of Mana is, imho, quite literally the Best Game Ever. I haven't played through any other game nearly as often as Secret of Mana. And while an emulator gives you the benefit of speed-up and being able to influence battles to the point of being invincible, having your pro-pad (shorter reaction times & auto-fire ability) on a real SNES is still better. Richard, who taped the music when riding the dragon just before the sky castle appears so he could listen to it more often
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