The inability to run modified code also means an increase in the security of a Tivo placed on the network.
Yes that must be why so many products that cannot run modified code are flawless in terms of security... oh wait!
Funny but I was sure I said increased the security at no time did I say it was flawless. Even so exactly what devices that can not run modified code have ever been infected with a virus, trojan, or worm? I have seen security issues in some routers but not the executing of malicious code.
Actually I just picked the countries that I knew off the top of my head that used a lot of hydro, nuclear, and or Geothermal power no need for Google.
What they provided was totally useless. Is it more or less efficient that the latest natural gas fired power plants? Since it can't burn coal comparing it to coal is useless. It may be the best system ever but this is just mindless marketing drivel.
As someone that lives in a hurrican zone There is one thing I would love to add to my home. Full house generator! 10 days with no AC isn't fun. Hopefully this home isn't in a flood zone and the damage was caused by a roof failure. If not flood proofing is job one. Next would be a good roof. I suggest a metal roof since they are the least likely to fail in a storm. If that will not work then get shingle that are rated for at least 130 mph. After that make sure you can store enough water for two weeks. Then a generator. A propane stove, hot water heater and drier will be nice. That way you can have hot water and clean dry cloths after any storm. After all that then go nuts with the rest of the tech you want. When thinking about tech to add to your home start with the primary function of your home first. Protection and comfort then entertainment.
GPLv3 isn't in effect yet and the GPL is still untested in court. Hello court case that will drain the bank accounts of the FSF. Yea that will be great. "This isn't an argument for TPM either, it's an argument for assigning liability for networked devices." Yea I want to be sued because somebody finds a zero day exploit in some code I am running. yea let's make the victim responsible for the attack.
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Pretty much. GPLv3 is a great win for Microsoft in the embedded market. The lesson here is don't try and build a product using GPL software because if RMS decides that you don't fit their philosophical outlook they will jerk they will change the license to make you conform to their ideal. What percentage of Tivo customers are upset that they can't hack their Tivo? The inability to run modified code also means an increase in the security of a Tivo placed on the network. Anyone want to deal with Zombie Tivos? Tivo has been around for years and was one of the first big Linux success stories. People don't have to buy Tivos since MythTv is available for people that want to roll their own. I just don't see how Tivo is a big problem for FOSS except that RMS doesn't like them locking down their hardware. I do see this causing problems for Tivo and frankly the end users that love their Tivos and may end up without service if they go under because of this. Maybe Tivo should have gone with BSD from the start.
Then you have to wonder what this will do to Linux Cell phones. They are now gain popularity but this may be the end for them as well. So other than a philosophical win how does this help people?
Of the world's maybe. Of the US's maybe. Of Canada, Japan, New Zealand, France, and Iceland not likely. Even then the carbon load from natural gas is much lower than from Coal. Again hype without facts.
"Less than half as carbon intensive as grid-power". Unless you get your power from hydro-electric or nuclear. Less than half as carbon intensive as coal, oil fired, or natural-gas? Or is taking the US grid as a whole? Please try and give more than hype. This may be great power system but I would like a little more in the way of facts in the summary.
"Them what writes the code sets the license. " Too bad that RMS doesn't agree with you. The amount of whining he does about how evil none GPL software is legionary. I have heard it called a crime against humanity on Slashdot. So you are saying that I don't have a right to express why I fell that the new version of the GPL is counter productive to FOSS? I notice that they also selected to ignore my comments of how Tivo using Linux was a benefit to the the community. You are just stating a party line. As I said I think that the GPL is fine as it is and doesn't need to change to protect the user from Tivo. What I do worry about is how the GPLv3 could play right into Microsoft's hands. I can see Microsoft getting the government to go along with the idea of signed binaries. Binary software can have virus and other malware. Distributing binary software is just too dangerous without over site. So only programmers that have a license will have the right to distribute binaries so they can be tracked. What about the end user? Well they will have the right to sign their own binaries to use on their own computer. RMS will be so happy because the GPLv3 will be enforced by law and all FOSS software will only be available as source code. It will also kill FOSS as a threat to Microsoft. RMS will probably never see this as a problem because in his mind he will feel that everybody will then learn the "advantages" of having the source code an will follow on his divine path.
You don't get it. If you release your code as GPL then anybody can redistribute it. So if you contribute to the GPL code base your competitor can use it. For example Ubuntu could use SAX2 and I wish they would. I actually like GPL2 I don't like GPL3. I don't like DRM but I understand the requirement for it to keep from being sued. RMS doesn't like Tivo but frankly millions of people do like Tivo and how has Tivo hurt FOSS? I can tell you that more than once I have had people tell me that 1. They don't know anybody that uses Linux. 2. Linux is too hard to use. I simply ask them if they have ever heard of a Tivo? When they say yes I tell them that it runs Linux. Then I explain that Linux is used in many small devices as well as supercomputers. Tivo has done a lot of good for FOSS. I don't like RMS, he is a zealot and that is always a reason for concern. His insistence on calling Linux GNU/LINUX is a good example. Is he going to demand every piece of software compiled with GCC? The latest version of GPL seems like him trying to stop the popularity of Linux. It all seems like some desperate atempt at keeping in the spotlight. Maybe his is a nice person in real life but his public stance is that of someone trying to from a religion. I would never want to stop people from having the right to create software without some government or corporation giving you permission. Frankly I feel that is a real danger. I fear that GPL3 by making FOSS less comfortable for big companies will under cut their support for FOSS. If that happens we will lose our big friends like Novell, Intel, and IBM and be left to fight the monsters by ourselves. I think that is RMS's goal and frankly it is counter productive to FOSS becoming mainstream.
While a nice thought I am afraid it will not help. It will then go to bricks and pointed sticks. It isn't the guns that are the cause. It is a lack of hope. I swear the cause is simple the solution not so simple. I spent a summer in Northern Ireland when I was a teen. My grandmother was born their and wanted me to vist so I went at 17. This was at the height of the "troubles". A lack of hope is the root cause of problems like you describe. Hope is the solution. Notice that people in Northern Ireland are no longer trying to kill each other lately. I understand your desire but you have misidentified the cause.
"As has been pointed out many times, with the BSD license, any changes you contribute back can be used by your competitors without them having to contribute back in turn. Thus you are giving your competitors a free ride if they are inclined towards the selfish side." The same thing with GPL code. If you competitors don't contribute back any code they also get a free ride. Frankly I really like a lot of GPL projects and code. I like a lot of BSD projects and code. This software as a religion just makes me nuts. What really drives me crazy is that now the FSF is using the GPL to make people do what the FSF thinks is right. Welcome to the church of Free Software and the high priest of orthodoxy.
Or they could just move to BSD. Frankly GPL3 may inspire a lot more interest in BSD. It isn't like IBM, SGI, SUN, HP, and or Intel couldn't start contributing code to FreeBSD just as easily as they did Linux. BSD always seemed like a good match to embedded devices to me.
They lie. I write multi-threaded code. My threads pass a lot of data back and forth. I try to keep it to a minimum but minimum is still a lot. Not only that but when threads do pass data between code it is often a critical path for the program. One thread is waiting on the other so it will effect the performance of the system. Here is logic 101. Your latest product has a weakness. do you. 1. Admit the weakness and loose sales? or 2. Downplay that weakness and say it is never a problem.
Intel might be right. The inter chip communication is never a bottle neck because memory access bottle neck is the real limiting factor. Any data heavy tasks that would be bottlenecked by the inter chip communications are already bottlenecked by memory access so it is never a problem.
The real truth is that very few programs are multi-treaded heck even FlightSim X had to be patched to take advantage of multiple cores. So yea it is a freaking lie.
Okay I really like my AMD system but they need to be slapped hard for inventing a new goofy marketing term. MEGATASKING. Dude if you have over a 1024 tasks running at once you need to run some malware clean up software.
The Cylons wipe out the Galaticia fleet but not before a record of what happens and all their culture is launched in a probe and sent to earth. I have read the book.
"I doubt very seriously that Google uses its search-engine setup for their internal workstation backups." I would agree. I was speaking more about the hardware setup of multiple redundant data stores than there search software.
I am pretty sure that if you ask them to not call you back and get the company name that you can stop then from calling. When they call they are using company resources so they are a cost to you. A simple nastygram from your lawyer should telling them to stop or accept that you will charge them by the hour for the time they waste should work. Or hire someone for minimum wage to waste their time. When ever they call just forward them to the min wage worker and have them just eat up as much of their time as possible. Summer is coming up so I bet some employee at your company has a teen that would like a summer job.
Best or even good doesn't mean market success. I bet a lot more people watch Jerry Springer than Nova, a lot more people eat at BurgerKing than any five star resturant, and a lot more people drink Bud than Harps. Once a long time ago there where many different computer systems. One supported color, sound, multi-tasking, a flat memory model, and system wide printer drivers. The other supported hard drive volumes not bigger than 32 megabytes, only a command line, single tasking, a nasty segmented memory model, no real support for graphics or sound, and every program had to include it's own printer drivers. They cost about the same and often the other system cost more... Guess which system sold more units. Marketing is what sells not quality. So just because something is popular doesn't make it good.
I was assuming that such a backup system would have journeying so that you could restore to any point in time. Otherwise you are correct that it isn't a real backup.
Actually if the price gets down around the $300 range and it has enough memory I can think of a lot of uses for it. The company I work for has a vertical product and we sell a good number of laptops. If we could bundle it with this device and if it could run for say 8 hours on a battery it would be great. No more mucking about with multiple versions of Windows, no more virus's and malware. Just what we used to call in the industry a "toaster". I could see a lot if uses besides sales reps. Frankly if they can get an Internet link then they don't even need Act. Salesperson.com could be your CMS. And if your company did things right you could use a VPN from it and use Web based apps for a lot of you industry specific work like placing orders. Police officers could use it. Place a Wifi/WAN bridge in the police car and then use the wifi in the this device. There are a lot of uses for this device. Yes a sub notebook could do but they tend to be more expensive than this device and more power hungry. I still see the ideal price point as around $299 but it may sell even at $500.
I can see others IF it has enough flash memory. I hope they put at least a gig or two on it. I have been dieing for a ARM based tiny laptop for years. It always seemed like a better choice for truly mobile computing than the X86. If they get a version of ACT! for it would work for many sales people. The next step will be some kind of RAD to get industry specific software on it.
It really does depend on the price point. With Wifi cropping up everywhere there are times when I wish I had my laptop with me but I don't really want to haul my Thinkpad around with me. This with OpenOffice and a few SD cards could be a very handy tool for students. If they can get the price down to $300 then yea I will buy one. $500 is just a bit too much.
Actually it seems very useless to me. If you wanted to do this you could. 1. Encode a 64-bit ID number that is linked to your iTunes account. Who would notice 8 bytes in the header of each file. 2. Encode it in the LSB of the first 64 or last 64 bytes of the song.
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The inability to run modified code also means an increase in the security of a Tivo placed on the network.
Yes that must be why so many products that cannot run modified code are flawless in terms of security... oh wait!
Funny but I was sure I said increased the security at no time did I say it was flawless. Even so exactly what devices that can not run modified code have ever been infected with a virus, trojan, or worm? I have seen security issues in some routers but not the executing of malicious code.
Actually I just picked the countries that I knew off the top of my head that used a lot of hydro, nuclear, and or Geothermal power no need for Google.
What they provided was totally useless. Is it more or less efficient that the latest natural gas fired power plants? Since it can't burn coal comparing it to coal is useless. It may be the best system ever but this is just mindless marketing drivel.
As someone that lives in a hurrican zone There is one thing I would love to add to my home.
Full house generator! 10 days with no AC isn't fun.
Hopefully this home isn't in a flood zone and the damage was caused by a roof failure. If not flood proofing is job one.
Next would be a good roof. I suggest a metal roof since they are the least likely to fail in a storm. If that will not work then get shingle that are rated for at least 130 mph.
After that make sure you can store enough water for two weeks.
Then a generator.
A propane stove, hot water heater and drier will be nice. That way you can have hot water and clean dry cloths after any storm.
After all that then go nuts with the rest of the tech you want.
When thinking about tech to add to your home start with the primary function of your home first. Protection and comfort then entertainment.
GPLv3 isn't in effect yet and the GPL is still untested in court. Hello court case that will drain the bank accounts of the FSF. Yea that will be great.
"This isn't an argument for TPM either, it's an argument for assigning liability for networked devices."
Yea I want to be sued because somebody finds a zero day exploit in some code I am running.
yea let's make the victim responsible for the attack.
Pretty much. GPLv3 is a great win for Microsoft in the embedded market.
The lesson here is don't try and build a product using GPL software because if RMS decides that you don't fit their philosophical outlook they will jerk they will change the license to make you conform to their ideal.
What percentage of Tivo customers are upset that they can't hack their Tivo?
The inability to run modified code also means an increase in the security of a Tivo placed on the network. Anyone want to deal with Zombie Tivos?
Tivo has been around for years and was one of the first big Linux success stories. People don't have to buy Tivos since MythTv is available for people that want to roll their own.
I just don't see how Tivo is a big problem for FOSS except that RMS doesn't like them locking down their hardware. I do see this causing problems for Tivo and frankly the end users that love their Tivos and may end up without service if they go under because of this.
Maybe Tivo should have gone with BSD from the start.
Then you have to wonder what this will do to Linux Cell phones. They are now gain popularity but this may be the end for them as well.
So other than a philosophical win how does this help people?
Of the world's maybe. Of the US's maybe. Of Canada, Japan, New Zealand, France, and Iceland not likely.
Even then the carbon load from natural gas is much lower than from Coal. Again hype without facts.
"Less than half as carbon intensive as grid-power".
Unless you get your power from hydro-electric or nuclear.
Less than half as carbon intensive as coal, oil fired, or natural-gas? Or is taking the US grid as a whole?
Please try and give more than hype.
This may be great power system but I would like a little more in the way of facts in the summary.
"Them what writes the code sets the license. "
Too bad that RMS doesn't agree with you. The amount of whining he does about how evil none GPL software is legionary. I have heard it called a crime against humanity on Slashdot.
So you are saying that I don't have a right to express why I fell that the new version of the GPL is counter productive to FOSS? I notice that they also selected to ignore my comments of how Tivo using Linux was a benefit to the the community. You are just stating a party line. As I said I think that the GPL is fine as it is and doesn't need to change to protect the user from Tivo. What I do worry about is how the GPLv3 could play right into Microsoft's hands. I can see Microsoft getting the government to go along with the idea of signed binaries. Binary software can have virus and other malware. Distributing binary software is just too dangerous without over site. So only programmers that have a license will have the right to distribute binaries so they can be tracked. What about the end user? Well they will have the right to sign their own binaries to use on their own computer. RMS will be so happy because the GPLv3 will be enforced by law and all FOSS software will only be available as source code. It will also kill FOSS as a threat to Microsoft.
RMS will probably never see this as a problem because in his mind he will feel that everybody will then learn the "advantages" of having the source code an will follow on his divine path.
You don't get it.
If you release your code as GPL then anybody can redistribute it. So if you contribute to the GPL code base your competitor can use it. For example Ubuntu could use SAX2 and I wish they would. I actually like GPL2 I don't like GPL3. I don't like DRM but I understand the requirement for it to keep from being sued. RMS doesn't like Tivo but frankly millions of people do like Tivo and how has Tivo hurt FOSS? I can tell you that more than once I have had people tell me that
1. They don't know anybody that uses Linux.
2. Linux is too hard to use.
I simply ask them if they have ever heard of a Tivo? When they say yes I tell them that it runs Linux. Then I explain that Linux is used in many small devices as well as supercomputers. Tivo has done a lot of good for FOSS.
I don't like RMS, he is a zealot and that is always a reason for concern. His insistence on calling Linux GNU/LINUX is a good example. Is he going to demand every piece of software compiled with GCC? The latest version of GPL seems like him trying to stop the popularity of Linux. It all seems like some desperate atempt at keeping in the spotlight. Maybe his is a nice person in real life but his public stance is that of someone trying to from a religion.
I would never want to stop people from having the right to create software without some government or corporation giving you permission. Frankly I feel that is a real danger. I fear that GPL3 by making FOSS less comfortable for big companies will under cut their support for FOSS. If that happens we will lose our big friends like Novell, Intel, and IBM and be left to fight the monsters by ourselves. I think that is RMS's goal and frankly it is counter productive to FOSS becoming mainstream.
While a nice thought I am afraid it will not help. It will then go to bricks and pointed sticks. It isn't the guns that are the cause. It is a lack of hope. I swear the cause is simple the solution not so simple. I spent a summer in Northern Ireland when I was a teen. My grandmother was born their and wanted me to vist so I went at 17. This was at the height of the "troubles". A lack of hope is the root cause of problems like you describe. Hope is the solution. Notice that people in Northern Ireland are no longer trying to kill each other lately. I understand your desire but you have misidentified the cause.
"As has been pointed out many times, with the BSD license, any changes you contribute back can be used by your competitors without them having to contribute back in turn. Thus you are giving your competitors a free ride if they are inclined towards the selfish side."
The same thing with GPL code.
If you competitors don't contribute back any code they also get a free ride.
Frankly I really like a lot of GPL projects and code. I like a lot of BSD projects and code. This software as a religion just makes me nuts. What really drives me crazy is that now the FSF is using the GPL to make people do what the FSF thinks is right.
Welcome to the church of Free Software and the high priest of orthodoxy.
Or they could just move to BSD.
Frankly GPL3 may inspire a lot more interest in BSD. It isn't like IBM, SGI, SUN, HP, and or Intel couldn't start contributing code to FreeBSD just as easily as they did Linux. BSD always seemed like a good match to embedded devices to me.
Of course it was just kilotasking. That is why the term megatasking is so dumb...
How's that for covering up a silly math mistake?
Of course Intel will kill AMD. They will jump right to Teratasking!
They lie. I write multi-threaded code. My threads pass a lot of data back and forth. I try to keep it to a minimum but minimum is still a lot. Not only that but when threads do pass data between code it is often a critical path for the program. One thread is waiting on the other so it will effect the performance of the system.
Here is logic 101.
Your latest product has a weakness.
do you.
1. Admit the weakness and loose sales?
or
2. Downplay that weakness and say it is never a problem.
Intel might be right. The inter chip communication is never a bottle neck because memory access bottle neck is the real limiting factor. Any data heavy tasks that would be bottlenecked by the inter chip communications are already bottlenecked by memory access so it is never a problem.
The real truth is that very few programs are multi-treaded heck even FlightSim X had to be patched to take advantage of multiple cores. So yea it is a freaking lie.
Okay I really like my AMD system but they need to be slapped hard for inventing a new goofy marketing term.
MEGATASKING.
Dude if you have over a 1024 tasks running at once you need to run some malware clean up software.
The Cylons wipe out the Galaticia fleet but not before a record of what happens and all their culture is launched in a probe and sent to earth.
I have read the book.
1) All resumes must be submitted in encapsulated PostScript.
Please Wordstar or TROFF please only. We are a high tech company after all.
"I doubt very seriously that Google uses its search-engine setup for their internal workstation backups."
I would agree. I was speaking more about the hardware setup of multiple redundant data stores than there search software.
I am pretty sure that if you ask them to not call you back and get the company name that you can stop then from calling.
When they call they are using company resources so they are a cost to you. A simple nastygram from your lawyer should telling them to stop or accept that you will charge them by the hour for the time they waste should work.
Or hire someone for minimum wage to waste their time. When ever they call just forward them to the min wage worker and have them just eat up as much of their time as possible. Summer is coming up so I bet some employee at your company has a teen that would like a summer job.
Best or even good doesn't mean market success.
I bet a lot more people watch Jerry Springer than Nova, a lot more people eat at BurgerKing than any five star resturant, and a lot more people drink Bud than Harps.
Once a long time ago there where many different computer systems. One supported color, sound, multi-tasking, a flat memory model, and system wide printer drivers. The other supported hard drive volumes not bigger than 32 megabytes, only a command line, single tasking, a nasty segmented memory model, no real support for graphics or sound, and every program had to include it's own printer drivers. They cost about the same and often the other system cost more... Guess which system sold more units.
Marketing is what sells not quality. So just because something is popular doesn't make it good.
I was assuming that such a backup system would have journeying so that you could restore to any point in time. Otherwise you are correct that it isn't a real backup.
Actually if the price gets down around the $300 range and it has enough memory I can think of a lot of uses for it.
The company I work for has a vertical product and we sell a good number of laptops. If we could bundle it with this device and if it could run for say 8 hours on a battery it would be great.
No more mucking about with multiple versions of Windows, no more virus's and malware. Just what we used to call in the industry a "toaster".
I could see a lot if uses besides sales reps. Frankly if they can get an Internet link then they don't even need Act. Salesperson.com could be your CMS. And if your company did things right you could use a VPN from it and use Web based apps for a lot of you industry specific work like placing orders.
Police officers could use it. Place a Wifi/WAN bridge in the police car and then use the wifi in the this device.
There are a lot of uses for this device. Yes a sub notebook could do but they tend to be more expensive than this device and more power hungry.
I still see the ideal price point as around $299 but it may sell even at $500.
I can see others IF it has enough flash memory. I hope they put at least a gig or two on it.
I have been dieing for a ARM based tiny laptop for years. It always seemed like a better choice for truly mobile computing than the X86.
If they get a version of ACT! for it would work for many sales people. The next step will be some kind of RAD to get industry specific software on it.
It really does depend on the price point.
With Wifi cropping up everywhere there are times when I wish I had my laptop with me but I don't really want to haul my Thinkpad around with me.
This with OpenOffice and a few SD cards could be a very handy tool for students.
If they can get the price down to $300 then yea I will buy one. $500 is just a bit too much.
Actually it seems very useless to me.
If you wanted to do this you could.
1. Encode a 64-bit ID number that is linked to your iTunes account. Who would notice 8 bytes in the header of each file.
2. Encode it in the LSB of the first 64 or last 64 bytes of the song.
Frankly this is anything but hidden.