So your right to privacy is what the OWNER says it is but not what the customers say it is. Unless they have signs saying no cameras you have no exception of privacy "restrooms are the exception"
"If it's ok for her to feel threatened over non-physical things and escalate conflict, it's ok for me to feel threatened over non-physical things and escalate conflict." No it is not. Once you become physical you are breaking the law. "And nowhere in my post did I say self defense equates to I go hurt someone. I think you're projecting your own violent thoughts onto others." The people involved took her property physically that is a violent act.
"The idea that your are "threatened" by a camera is both funny and terrifying
The truth often is.
We also have people shot dead over texting in a movie theater [slashdot.org]" And that idiot is in jail.
"Remember the Wild West? When people used to duel at high noon? This story and any other bar fight (that's all this story is, a bar fight), just a lesser form of that. Freedom isn't all sunshine and rainbows." The wild west mainly happened in the movies. Notice that showdowns at high noon do not happen anymore.
"The sad thing is that you think the idea of freedom is stupid" And with that I know you are a lost cause.
"The Republicans who are in bed with the Oil industry " ARRRRGGGGGGG!!!!!!!! Oil does not compete with Nuclear, solar, or wind! It is less than 3% of the electrical power in the US! Natural gas yes, coal yes. Oil no! It drives me crazy every time I see people post about how we need to cut your importation of oil by building Solar, Wind, or Nuclear plants. We need to cut your consumption of coal by building Nuclear, Solar, and Wind! Fear of the Middle East seems to be the favorite tool of those that want manipulate people. It does not matter if it is the left or the right.
Reactors are made out of steel. Ferrous alloys and titanium alloys have a distinct limit, an amplitude below which there appears to be no number of cycles that will cause failure.
It is the law even if it was illegal to shoot video in a bar it is illegal to attack someone. The law is clear the morals and ethics are also clear to anyone that has a brain.
So if you want it to be illegal for you to shoot video of you and your friends in a bar then pass the law. Good luck with that.
The only threat that justifies self defense if a physical threat. 1. It does not infringe your freedom. 2. You do not understand the law or even common sense. 3, If you do not take this chance to educate yourself you will hopefully go jail before you hurt anyone.
The idea that your are "threatened" by a camera is both funny and terrifying . The fact that such stupid ideas are voiced on Slashdot is so sad.
It is private property but it is a public place. In a private place you may evict anyone you want for said space if you are the owner. There is no law that can prevent you. But to the point of my post. Customers have NO RIGHT to kick anyone out of a bar. Only the staff as the right to do ask you to leave. Has the staff asked the person to put way GoogleGlass that would have been fine. That is not what we are talking about.
Simple, you do the legal, ethical, and moral thing. You ask the staff to ask her to not wear google glass. If they don't you leave. Anything else is wrong.
"It was in a bar, with drinking going on. I don't expect rational, well thought out reactions from bar patrons. And while assault/theft are not to be condoned, if you walk up to a bear and kick it you are going to get attacked."
That is what the staffs job. The staff should have kept the bear in his pen. I hope she sues the crap out of that bar for allowing her to be attacked.
"She could have walked away, but instead she chose to up the ante by threatening the patrons with recording their objections to being filmed." Funny you say that but she had a right to wear Google Glass and the person walking up to her had no right to tell her not to. Only the staff had the right to asker her to not use them or leave. If someone had told you to get out of the bar because they didn't that you had a gay pride shirt on, or an Darwin fish pin how would you react? The staff should have kicked the guy out for getting into the ladies face.
Being openly gay or transgender pushes peoples buttons as well. If I chose to wear glass in a public space too bad if you do not like it. Good grief I bet you have problem with someone protesting in and blocking traffic or disrupting a business but you do now want people to wear google glass because they MIGHT record some video of you in a public space? Yea this all makes so much sense.
1. You have no expectation of privacy in a public place. AKA one open to the public not to be confused with private property. 2. The OWNER of the private property has the right to ask a customer to put away Google glass, cell phone, or camera. 3. If the person then fails to put them away the owner can ask them to leave. 4. If the person refuses to leave then the owner can call the police. 5. If the customers did not like the person wearing glass at the bar they the only actions allowed are to leave the bar or complain to the staff. Anything else is illegal, immoral, and unethical.
So the people that threatened the person with glass are scum and possible criminals. The people that stole her GoogleGlass are scum and criminals. The people that stole her purse are scum and criminals. The people people that try to justify the actions are idiots.
In a bar you are not in private so you have no expectation of privacy. If the owner asked the person to put them away or leave that would be legal. If they did not leave they would then have the legal right to call the police. The owner and other customers have NO RIGHT AT ALL to threaten or steal. No justification for the actions of patrons is legal, ethical, or moral.
You are confusing private property and a public place. A bar is a public place. BTW only in this case the ONLY thing would have been legal is for the OWNER to ask the patron to put them away or leave. The other customers have no rights to do anything at all.
"Apparently there is, even if the law doesn't currently recognise it. Maybe that law is out of date and should be changed." Only if your an idiot. Let me teach you a few key terms to help you. Public place. Public property. Out in Public.
What idiot thinks he is private on a sidewalk, a bar, or a grocery store!
1. Chemicals degrade over time oxygen is great at destroying most compounds. 2. The C-123s have been out of US military service since the early 1980s.The only C-123s left in US military service are in museums.
Apple went from a computer company to a mobile phone company and media company. Google is also into a lot of markets now as well. It makes more sense than you might think. GE was a company that made electrical products to one that makes just about everything including jet engines. GM, Ford, and Chrysler where all very diversified at one point. The Redstone rocket that launched Alan Shepard was built by Chrysler, The engines that powered the P-38 lightning was made by GM and GM made jet engines, Ford Aerospace built Mission control for NASA. Rolls Royce doesn't even make cars anymore, just jet engines. The Rolls Royce car is made by BMW. If you have a pile of cash it makes sense to diversify so not all your eggs are in one basket.
Both Google and Apple are swimming in money that they just can not seem to find a good way to spend. Google really seems to hate the idea of becoming a hardware company but Apple is all about hardware. I could see a Tesla with Apple IOS for the infotainment system being a huge hit. Google and their love of self driving cars could be a fit. Imagine a self driving Tesla? Right now both Apple and Google are trying to decide "what next".
You are already at +5 but I wish that Slashdot went to 11 just for this comments. 1. Anti Camera device that lets other cameras work? Impossible. 2. Anti Camera device? Pretty much impossible in the bus. Maybe a fog machine? 3. For a rich party bus? On Slashdot? Go away.
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So your right to privacy is what the OWNER says it is but not what the customers say it is. Unless they have signs saying no cameras you have no exception of privacy "restrooms are the exception"
"If it's ok for her to feel threatened over non-physical things and escalate conflict, it's ok for me to feel threatened over non-physical things and escalate conflict."
No it is not. Once you become physical you are breaking the law.
"And nowhere in my post did I say self defense equates to I go hurt someone. I think you're projecting your own violent thoughts onto others."
The people involved took her property physically that is a violent act.
"The idea that your are "threatened" by a camera is both funny and terrifying
The truth often is.
We also have people shot dead over texting in a movie theater [slashdot.org]"
And that idiot is in jail.
"Remember the Wild West? When people used to duel at high noon? This story and any other bar fight (that's all this story is, a bar fight), just a lesser form of that. Freedom isn't all sunshine and rainbows."
The wild west mainly happened in the movies. Notice that showdowns at high noon do not happen anymore.
"The sad thing is that you think the idea of freedom is stupid"
And with that I know you are a lost cause.
They love them. Join the navy and get into the nuclear power program leave and make 6 figures.
"The Republicans who are in bed with the Oil industry "
ARRRRGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!
Oil does not compete with Nuclear, solar, or wind! It is less than 3% of the electrical power in the US!
Natural gas yes, coal yes. Oil no! It drives me crazy every time I see people post about how we need to cut your importation of oil by building Solar, Wind, or Nuclear plants. We need to cut your consumption of coal by building Nuclear, Solar, and Wind!
Fear of the Middle East seems to be the favorite tool of those that want manipulate people. It does not matter if it is the left or the right.
Reactors are made out of steel. Ferrous alloys and titanium alloys have a distinct limit, an amplitude below which there appears to be no number of cycles that will cause failure.
For example https://upload.wikimedia.org/w...
Has been round for a good while.
So this image should be illegal? http://www.wisn.com/image/view...
It is the law even if it was illegal to shoot video in a bar it is illegal to attack someone.
The law is clear the morals and ethics are also clear to anyone that has a brain.
So if you want it to be illegal for you to shoot video of you and your friends in a bar then pass the law. Good luck with that.
The only threat that justifies self defense if a physical threat.
1. It does not infringe your freedom.
2. You do not understand the law or even common sense.
3, If you do not take this chance to educate yourself you will hopefully go jail before you hurt anyone.
The idea that your are "threatened" by a camera is both funny and terrifying . The fact that such stupid ideas are voiced on Slashdot is so sad.
It is private property but it is a public place.
In a private place you may evict anyone you want for said space if you are the owner. There is no law that can prevent you.
But to the point of my post. Customers have NO RIGHT to kick anyone out of a bar. Only the staff as the right to do ask you to leave.
Has the staff asked the person to put way GoogleGlass that would have been fine. That is not what we are talking about.
Simple, you do the legal, ethical, and moral thing.
You ask the staff to ask her to not wear google glass. If they don't you leave.
Anything else is wrong.
"It was in a bar, with drinking going on. I don't expect rational, well thought out reactions from bar patrons. And while assault/theft are not to be condoned, if you walk up to a bear and kick it you are going to get attacked."
That is what the staffs job.
The staff should have kept the bear in his pen.
I hope she sues the crap out of that bar for allowing her to be attacked.
"She could have walked away, but instead she chose to up the ante by threatening the patrons with recording their objections to being filmed."
Funny you say that but she had a right to wear Google Glass and the person walking up to her had no right to tell her not to. Only the staff had the right to asker her to not use them or leave.
If someone had told you to get out of the bar because they didn't that you had a gay pride shirt on, or an Darwin fish pin how would you react? The staff should have kicked the guy out for getting into the ladies face.
Then you complain to the staff or leave.
That is because he was not in San Francisco. The more I hear about San Francisco the less I understand why anyone would want to live their.
Being openly gay or transgender pushes peoples buttons as well.
If I chose to wear glass in a public space too bad if you do not like it. Good grief I bet you have problem with someone protesting in and blocking traffic or disrupting a business but you do now want people to wear google glass because they MIGHT record some video of you in a public space?
Yea this all makes so much sense.
1. You have no expectation of privacy in a public place. AKA one open to the public not to be confused with private property.
2. The OWNER of the private property has the right to ask a customer to put away Google glass, cell phone, or camera.
3. If the person then fails to put them away the owner can ask them to leave.
4. If the person refuses to leave then the owner can call the police.
5. If the customers did not like the person wearing glass at the bar they the only actions allowed are to leave the bar or complain to the staff.
Anything else is illegal, immoral, and unethical.
So the people that threatened the person with glass are scum and possible criminals.
The people that stole her GoogleGlass are scum and criminals.
The people that stole her purse are scum and criminals.
The people people that try to justify the actions are idiots.
In a bar you are not in private so you have no expectation of privacy. If the owner asked the person to put them away or leave that would be legal. If they did not leave they would then have the legal right to call the police.
The owner and other customers have NO RIGHT AT ALL to threaten or steal.
No justification for the actions of patrons is legal, ethical, or moral.
You are confusing private property and a public place.
A bar is a public place. BTW only in this case the ONLY thing would have been legal is for the OWNER to ask the patron to put them away or leave. The other customers have no rights to do anything at all.
"Apparently there is, even if the law doesn't currently recognise it. Maybe that law is out of date and should be changed."
Only if your an idiot.
Let me teach you a few key terms to help you.
Public place.
Public property.
Out in Public.
What idiot thinks he is private on a sidewalk, a bar, or a grocery store!
I object you your profanity. You need to never post anything profane again in any forum I read. You need to leave slashdot now.
1. Chemicals degrade over time oxygen is great at destroying most compounds.
2. The C-123s have been out of US military service since the early 1980s.The only C-123s left in US military service are in museums.
Apple went from a computer company to a mobile phone company and media company. Google is also into a lot of markets now as well. It makes more sense than you might think. GE was a company that made electrical products to one that makes just about everything including jet engines. GM, Ford, and Chrysler where all very diversified at one point. The Redstone rocket that launched Alan Shepard was built by Chrysler, The engines that powered the P-38 lightning was made by GM and GM made jet engines, Ford Aerospace built Mission control for NASA. Rolls Royce doesn't even make cars anymore, just jet engines. The Rolls Royce car is made by BMW. If you have a pile of cash it makes sense to diversify so not all your eggs are in one basket.
Both Google and Apple are swimming in money that they just can not seem to find a good way to spend. Google really seems to hate the idea of becoming a hardware company but Apple is all about hardware. I could see a Tesla with Apple IOS for the infotainment system being a huge hit. Google and their love of self driving cars could be a fit. Imagine a self driving Tesla? Right now both Apple and Google are trying to decide "what next".
I was wondering about that. It does look really interesting but it is not BSD Unix but that does not mean that it is not cool.
1. People could block the view of the laser.
2. Possible blinding danger from reflection or software error.
3. Google Glass.
Impractical.
You are already at +5 but I wish that Slashdot went to 11 just for this comments.
1. Anti Camera device that lets other cameras work? Impossible.
2. Anti Camera device? Pretty much impossible in the bus. Maybe a fog machine?
3. For a rich party bus? On Slashdot? Go away.