That is a myth. The IRBMs in Turkey did not increase the threat to the USSR in any significant way. It is just a way that folks like the shift blame. The US already had Atlas, Titan, Titan II, and Polaris in service with Minuteman entering service. At the time and all could strike the USSR while USSR had no effective means of striking the US as the BIson lacked the range and performance and the R-7 took days to prepare for launch. The IRBMs in Turkey where going to be retired because they where not cost effective or a good weapons system. Same thing with the Thor systems in the UK which were also retired at the same time as the Jupiters even though they were not part of the deal. Removing the Jupiter systems was a bone thrown to the USSR and nothing more.
" Now that the world received strong confirmation that the much more obscure and less widely used standard Dual_EC_DRBG was in fact an NSA undercover operation," What confirmation? Really I fear slashdot has become pure click bait.
The solution is change administrations and tighten the law. People are more than a bit foolish in that they see spying as a bad thing. For instance spying kept the Cuban Missile Crisis from getting out of hand. Spying prevented the UBoats from starving the UK into surrender. We just don't want too much spying. As I said the tech will never be the solution in the US. You need a political solution. Even if we had a perfectly balanced system it would never make the tinfoil hat crowd happy. BTW odds are if your internet traffic goes overseas at all and possibly even if it does not the Russians and Chinese are also looking at it.
A technological solution will never work. The NSA had court orders and gag orders. While the NSA doing this does not shock or bother me the idea that you can stop them with technology is just silly. Human spies will get around that as they always have.
True I have 3 Android Tablets. It is more popular than Linux is unless you count Android as Linux. I am also hoping for better Ultrabooks and maybe even Chromebooks as well.
I was thinking the same thing Linux and Android on X86 tablets. Yes I know Windows is more popular by far but if it can run Windows then Linux should be possible.
To gather military information. I didn't say that it was wrong because that is what nations do. You can bet they were using every method to pick EM, IR and to do optical tracking of the test shot.
I think you are being a bit too hard on the nut cases. I am not jewish but trying to put myself in the place of the them after WWII I can see it. Before the Nazis Germany was one of the safer places to be Jewish in Europe. The US was not terrible but it also had things like restricted hotels and clubs and more than it's share of anti-semitism. People want to feel safe and the only place that they thought they could feel safe would be in their own nation. At that point wanting the help of God and the idea of the promised land seems natural. I am more joking than anything about North Dakota. There are more than 10 counties in the lower 48 states that are bigger than Israel. Reality is that it never would have happened but part of kind of wishes it could have. Even if it wasn't a nation but just a county. Like that would have ever worked.
Simple the President has no stomach for boots on the ground. He is also is planning a punishment attack and nothing more. No it is a good gamble and he has Russia and China to keep the UN out of it. Without the UK to back him up President Obama is now just flopping around trying to offload as much blame and responsibility has he can. AKA it isn't his red line it is the world's.
Part of my family is from Northern Ireland so I have some small understanding of this kind of conflict. It is a real shame because I honestly believe that most muslims, Israelis, Arabs, Irish Catholics, and Irish Protestants just want to have a job that pays well enough for their family, not to get shot at, and to see their kids do better than they did. Too bad the nutcases get the guns, bombs, and in this case nerve gas.
That being said I really do not want to see the end results of a news headline of , "Israelis die in gas attack". The reaction may be significant.
Yea I think we should have offered you North Dakota or part of it. Would have been better for everyone.
So how does it feel to be the boogieman? I really do not mean to make light of it but frankly if the Jewish people had as much power as some groups gave them credit for I think their history would have been very different. Maybe after WWII the US should have just offered North Dakota as the Jewish homeland. Then you would only have to deal with cows, Minnesota Norwegian Framer Lutherans, the 8 people that lived in South Dakota, the 6 people that lived in Montana and the Canadians. As a bonus I could get get really good bagels when visiting Mount Rushmore.
And they made little fuss when Iran used them back. That is what the Syrian government was hoping for and even if we don't they know we will not take them out so the risk seems worth it.
It was not an AIM-7 Sparrow. It was a Silver Sparrow target missile. It has nothing in common with the AIM-7 Sparrow except for the name. This model was the Silver Sparrow. Yea this is a terrible write up and summary.
Nowhere is in the article or the submission did it say the test was unannounced. It just didn't say it was announced and talked about what it could "mean". It let the mob draw conclusions that are now being taken as fact. It is propaganda and not even all that skillful And you will notice almost no one is correcting it.
Political activist? No thanks they all seem to want to cause problems not solve them. They make money when people are upset. Left and Right. Company Exec. Been there but the NSA is not an issue for that. Other companies and or your own people being dumb is the issue there. Gangsters. Good bust them Politicians. Good bust them. Again not really an issue. I chalk it to narcissism. at this point.
"Same logic could apply to Syria's leadership. What strategic military importance was there to using chemical weapons on a remote village full of civilians Vs the enormous risk of UN invasion by using them. I suspect the most likely suspects behind the attack are third parties that stand to gain by an invasion (i.e. not US, not current Syrian regime either)."
1 Actually it doesn't here. The UN will not invade because China and Russia will not agree to it. They will veto any massive UN action. 2 The US will not invade because the US is war weary and the President doesn't have the support. 3 The US did nothing when Iraq used them. So the worse is that the US will fire some cruise missiles to make a show of it. The Syria under their brave leaders took the "worst" that the Imperialist US dogs and their lackeys could dish out and stood firm. In other words we slap the on the wrist and they stick out their tongue at the world. In other words President Obama mucked this up because frankly he just is not a good president. I am not saying that he is evil or anything like that. He seems like a good guy but he should have done a few terms in Congress to get educated about the world outside of being an "activist organizer".
Yes it is correct. Also the test missile was air launched by an IAF F-15 and is made by Israel. The Arrow is a joint US Israeli project but the US probably had little to do with the test. We did not launch the target or the interceptor. The target would look nothing like a cruise missile so it would not be likely to be mistaken for one it is even unlikely that Syria would detect it. Russia detected it because they were working hard to monitor the test. AKA spying. The thing that every nation does. It is not so much a dumbing down as directing it. The world is becoming filled with propaganda because that is what people want. They want to be outraged and feel that they are "fighting the good fight". The most effective propaganda is always the propaganda that is believable to the target. Stir up fear, that becomes hate, then simple divide and conquer.
I am still trying to figure out what everybody is texting and messaging that is so private? I kind of work on the idea that anything that private I say face to face. I wonder just how much of this worry about the NSA is some form of narcissism. Frankly I am not important enough or interesting enough for the NSA to spy on me.
1. There was a NOTAM filed for the test. It was not unannounced. Russia just said they detected it and not that they where surprised by it. 2. This is an anti-ballistic missile that was tested and not a ground attack missile. It shoots down other missiles. AKA it is a defensive weapon. I have to wonder if this is why we have not found any other intelligent life. Once a planet develops the internet people find news sources that reinforce their world view and fears. As a group we become dumb and dumber because we keep seeking sources that tell us we are right. The divisions become greater and greater and people dumb and less tolerant all the while believing they are more informed and open minded until it all falls apart.
Yea this is a load of crap. People need to think more. You get to be in political power by always coming out on the winning side of the risk to benefit equation. The risk to president Obama that would come from giving the rebels chemical weapons is through the roof. The benefit is at best tiny. Just not in the cards folks.
Ummm. Nothing really exciting, an air racer before the war, a recon aircraft and a flying boat after the war that were useless. Now after the war missiles and helicopters where pretty impressive but we are talking about early aviation and Hughes was a minor player.
No actually it does not. Boeing Washington state. Curtiss New York Martin started in California but moved to Maryland around 1919 Grumman New York Bell New York Wright Ohio McDonnell Missouri Fairchild New York Sikorski New York then Connecticut New York actually seems to be the hotbed for early aviation companies. My guess is that is where the money was. California did have Douglas, Lockheed, Ryan, and North American but of those only Douglas could be considered a major player before WWII. Lockheed did have the Vega and Electra lines which did okay but the big names where Curtiss, Boeing, Douglas, and Grumman "for the navy at least" And out of them only one was in California. And look how many have plants in Texas now as well as Florida.
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That is a myth. The IRBMs in Turkey did not increase the threat to the USSR in any significant way. It is just a way that folks like the shift blame. The US already had Atlas, Titan, Titan II, and Polaris in service with Minuteman entering service. At the time and all could strike the USSR while USSR had no effective means of striking the US as the BIson lacked the range and performance and the R-7 took days to prepare for launch. The IRBMs in Turkey where going to be retired because they where not cost effective or a good weapons system. Same thing with the Thor systems in the UK which were also retired at the same time as the Jupiters even though they were not part of the deal. Removing the Jupiter systems was a bone thrown to the USSR and nothing more.
Which is why I said unless you count Android as Linux, many people do not.
" Now that the world received strong confirmation that the much more obscure and less widely used standard Dual_EC_DRBG was in fact an NSA undercover operation,"
What confirmation? Really I fear slashdot has become pure click bait.
The solution is change administrations and tighten the law. People are more than a bit foolish in that they see spying as a bad thing. For instance spying kept the Cuban Missile Crisis from getting out of hand. Spying prevented the UBoats from starving the UK into surrender. We just don't want too much spying. As I said the tech will never be the solution in the US. You need a political solution.
Even if we had a perfectly balanced system it would never make the tinfoil hat crowd happy. BTW odds are if your internet traffic goes overseas at all and possibly even if it does not the Russians and Chinese are also looking at it.
A technological solution will never work. The NSA had court orders and gag orders. While the NSA doing this does not shock or bother me the idea that you can stop them with technology is just silly. Human spies will get around that as they always have.
True I have 3 Android Tablets. It is more popular than Linux is unless you count Android as Linux. I am also hoping for better Ultrabooks and maybe even Chromebooks as well.
I was thinking the same thing Linux and Android on X86 tablets. Yes I know Windows is more popular by far but if it can run Windows then Linux should be possible.
To gather military information. I didn't say that it was wrong because that is what nations do. You can bet they were using every method to pick EM, IR and to do optical tracking of the test shot.
I think you are being a bit too hard on the nut cases. I am not jewish but trying to put myself in the place of the them after WWII I can see it. Before the Nazis Germany was one of the safer places to be Jewish in Europe. The US was not terrible but it also had things like restricted hotels and clubs and more than it's share of anti-semitism. People want to feel safe and the only place that they thought they could feel safe would be in their own nation. At that point wanting the help of God and the idea of the promised land seems natural.
I am more joking than anything about North Dakota. There are more than 10 counties in the lower 48 states that are bigger than Israel. Reality is that it never would have happened but part of kind of wishes it could have. Even if it wasn't a nation but just a county. Like that would have ever worked.
Never said it did. I am just saying what Obama wants to do and why it will not work.
Simple the President has no stomach for boots on the ground. He is also is planning a punishment attack and nothing more. No it is a good gamble and he has Russia and China to keep the UN out of it. Without the UK to back him up President Obama is now just flopping around trying to offload as much blame and responsibility has he can. AKA it isn't his red line it is the world's.
Part of my family is from Northern Ireland so I have some small understanding of this kind of conflict. It is a real shame because I honestly believe that most muslims, Israelis, Arabs, Irish Catholics, and Irish Protestants just want to have a job that pays well enough for their family, not to get shot at, and to see their kids do better than they did. Too bad the nutcases get the guns, bombs, and in this case nerve gas.
That being said I really do not want to see the end results of a news headline of , "Israelis die in gas attack". The reaction may be significant.
Yea I think we should have offered you North Dakota or part of it. Would have been better for everyone.
So how does it feel to be the boogieman? I really do not mean to make light of it but frankly if the Jewish people had as much power as some groups gave them credit for I think their history would have been very different.
Maybe after WWII the US should have just offered North Dakota as the Jewish homeland. Then you would only have to deal with cows, Minnesota Norwegian Framer Lutherans, the 8 people that lived in South Dakota, the 6 people that lived in Montana and the Canadians. As a bonus I could get get really good bagels when visiting Mount Rushmore.
And they made little fuss when Iran used them back. That is what the Syrian government was hoping for and even if we don't they know we will not take them out so the risk seems worth it.
It was not an AIM-7 Sparrow. It was a Silver Sparrow target missile. It has nothing in common with the AIM-7 Sparrow except for the name. This model was the Silver Sparrow. Yea this is a terrible write up and summary.
It was not unannounced. NOTAMs where filed. Nowere was it said that it was unannounced.
Nowhere is in the article or the submission did it say the test was unannounced. It just didn't say it was announced and talked about what it could "mean". It let the mob draw conclusions that are now being taken as fact. It is propaganda and not even all that skillful And you will notice almost no one is correcting it.
Political activist? No thanks they all seem to want to cause problems not solve them. They make money when people are upset. Left and Right.
Company Exec. Been there but the NSA is not an issue for that. Other companies and or your own people being dumb is the issue there.
Gangsters. Good bust them
Politicians. Good bust them.
Again not really an issue. I chalk it to narcissism. at this point.
"Same logic could apply to Syria's leadership. What strategic military importance was there to using chemical weapons on a remote village full of civilians Vs the enormous risk of UN invasion by using them. I suspect the most likely suspects behind the attack are third parties that stand to gain by an invasion (i.e. not US, not current Syrian regime either)."
1 Actually it doesn't here. The UN will not invade because China and Russia will not agree to it. They will veto any massive UN action.
2 The US will not invade because the US is war weary and the President doesn't have the support.
3 The US did nothing when Iraq used them.
So the worse is that the US will fire some cruise missiles to make a show of it. The Syria under their brave leaders took the "worst" that the Imperialist US dogs and their lackeys could dish out and stood firm. In other words we slap the on the wrist and they stick out their tongue at the world. In other words President Obama mucked this up because frankly he just is not a good president. I am not saying that he is evil or anything like that. He seems like a good guy but he should have done a few terms in Congress to get educated about the world outside of being an "activist organizer".
Yes it is correct. Also the test missile was air launched by an IAF F-15 and is made by Israel. The Arrow is a joint US Israeli project but the US probably had little to do with the test. We did not launch the target or the interceptor. The target would look nothing like a cruise missile so it would not be likely to be mistaken for one it is even unlikely that Syria would detect it. Russia detected it because they were working hard to monitor the test. AKA spying. The thing that every nation does.
It is not so much a dumbing down as directing it. The world is becoming filled with propaganda because that is what people want. They want to be outraged and feel that they are "fighting the good fight". The most effective propaganda is always the propaganda that is believable to the target. Stir up fear, that becomes hate, then simple divide and conquer.
I am still trying to figure out what everybody is texting and messaging that is so private?
I kind of work on the idea that anything that private I say face to face.
I wonder just how much of this worry about the NSA is some form of narcissism. Frankly I am not important enough or interesting enough for the NSA to spy on me.
1. There was a NOTAM filed for the test. It was not unannounced. Russia just said they detected it and not that they where surprised by it.
2. This is an anti-ballistic missile that was tested and not a ground attack missile. It shoots down other missiles. AKA it is a defensive weapon.
I have to wonder if this is why we have not found any other intelligent life. Once a planet develops the internet people find news sources that reinforce their world view and fears. As a group we become dumb and dumber because we keep seeking sources that tell us we are right. The divisions become greater and greater and people dumb and less tolerant all the while believing they are more informed and open minded until it all falls apart.
Yea this is a load of crap. People need to think more. You get to be in political power by always coming out on the winning side of the risk to benefit equation. The risk to president Obama that would come from giving the rebels chemical weapons is through the roof. The benefit is at best tiny. Just not in the cards folks.
Ummm. Nothing really exciting, an air racer before the war, a recon aircraft and a flying boat after the war that were useless. Now after the war missiles and helicopters where pretty impressive but we are talking about early aviation and Hughes was a minor player.
No actually it does not.
Boeing Washington state.
Curtiss New York
Martin started in California but moved to Maryland around 1919
Grumman New York
Bell New York
Wright Ohio
McDonnell Missouri
Fairchild New York
Sikorski New York then Connecticut
New York actually seems to be the hotbed for early aviation companies. My guess is that is where the money was.
California did have Douglas, Lockheed, Ryan, and North American but of those only Douglas could be considered a major player before WWII. Lockheed did have the Vega and Electra lines which did okay but the big names where Curtiss, Boeing, Douglas, and Grumman "for the navy at least" And out of them only one was in California. And look how many have plants in Texas now as well as Florida.