"the problem with nasa is its inception was intended to combat the USSR on a number of fronts. It advanced technologies like ICBM " Ahhhh No you are wrong and don't know history. The US ICBM programs were well on their way before there was a NASA. The Army, Navy, and Air Force all had projects that were moving along. NASA started to use those rockets for space work. Atlas, Titan, and Thor where all USAF ICBMs and MRBS that were converted to space launchers. By 1960 the needs of the military weapons and the needs NASA had completely diverged. Smaller warheads and the needs to launch in seconds meant that the next generation of missiles where small solid fueled missiles that were not very useful as space launchers. Minuteman and Polaris where lacked the payload of the older Atlas, Titans and Thor/Deltas. Even the Saturn I first stage was built out of left overs from the Army's SRBM and MRBM programs. It was made of leftover Redstone and Jupiter parts. You could argue that NASA was to help develop other technology like comm sats,spy sats, weather sats, and nav sats but not ICBMS. In fact NASA benefited more from early ICBMs than it contributed. Too bad that the USGOV wasted all those Titan Is. When they were retiring the Atlas and Titan Is after only a few years in service as ICBMs the government stored that Atlases but gave away the Titans to parks and schools and other static displays. The logic was that the NASA had already converted Atlas to launcher so it was cheaper and the Titan I's payload increase over the Atlas wasn't worth the cost. Too bad since they had to re-open the Atlas production line when we ran out of them.
That is kind of how it works now for every government project but the bribes are jobs. If you look at any big project like the Shuttle, Apollo, or just about anything they will all have a map showing all the places that will get jobs from the project. Why do you think the big aerospace companies build things in California? About the only Aerospace company that is not located in a big state was Boeing but they are moving their headquarters to Chicago. Take the top five states by population and look at the companies that are located there or the NASA presence there. California Texas New York Florida Illinois Votes are are power and you need to spread around the jobs. Even SpaceX is in both California and Texas.
"There's no business case for Mars sample return, for instance." There is no business case for an aircraft carrier, tank, or F-16. I think the idea is that NASA and the government would say we need to do x and then give a contract or contracts for the project. The problem I see is that the idea is that commercial companies can do it cheaper than bloated government. The problem is that I am not so sure that is true. Back in the 1960s Navy shipyards often built Navy ships that were in large part designed by the Navy. Commercial yards also built ships. Back in the day if you went to a military base the guards where military, as where the cooks, and most of the support personnel. Today most of that is turned over to commercial firms. The problem is that I do not think we are saving any money. I feel that we have this strange almost government but commercial companies that cost as much as old way if not more.
"I would opt for a European country with more a sensible legal system like Switzerland" because Switzerland never cooperates with governments for money. And this is what happens when people do not know history....
"In the past, soda and its various strains have been related to depression, irritability, aggression, suicidal thoughts, and delusions of sweepstake-winning grandeur." http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/aspartame.asp I mean really people, Slashdot editor Soulskill you have reached a new low for Slashdot.
Actually in Muslim countries extremists are telling people that the polio vaccine is a way for the west to get your DNA so they can track you down and kill you later. Or that it causes AIDs or that it is a plot to sterilize Muslim girls. They also say that is how the US found Bin Laden. None of it is true and there have even been murders of the people trying to give the vaccines. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/09/world/africa/in-nigeria-polio-vaccine-workers-are-killed-by-gunmen.html?_r=0 And please do not get off on an anti-muslim or anti-religion rant. This is pure politics and if you do not think that atheists in power have not done the same types of things I suggest you read up on the history of the USSR, China and North Korea.
You would want to create a virtual version of the hardware to do this. The problem with systems like this is that they may exploit hardware quirks and only work on one card or chip. Of course you would then want to test on a few pieces of real hardware to make sure your simulation is accurate.
Coincidence is not causality. Old underground fuel tanks, factories, ag chemicals, dry cleaners, the list of potential causes goes on and on. Not to mention that the the oil industry got it's start in that area because crude oil was bubbling up in springs and wells and at least one spring in the area has had flammable water from methane contamination since the area was settled or invaded if one must be politically correct.
The courts yes but the 14th Amendment doesn't really apply. Separation of church and state limits the rights of congress and does not grant rights or protections to anyone. I would say that the courts are overstepping their bounds as they often seem to do. Take the FISA court for example. Maybe those laws are not even good to have but the idea of communities of different cultures seems to be okay for example in the case of Hawaiians. Would you say that Native only areas and property in Hawaii is unconstitutional since it is restricted by race?
Actually the airbase I was talking about is in Montana. Florida has a lot of great places too bad your too dumb to get past the whole red blue bigotry. Melbourne Florida for instance has the second highest number of engineers per capita in the US only Huntsville Alabama has more. Add in great beaches, good weather most of the year, a very diverse culture and it is not a bad place to live. No former military base would stay undeveloped long in Florida.
Sorry but your wrong. Small tablets like the Nexus 7 are ideal mobile devices. You can check the internet, play games, watch movies, check your email, read a book and so on. They are much better at all of those then a smartphone because of the large screen size. My Nexus 10 is what I use at home to watch video, read magazines, read books surf the web and so on. They are extremely handy devices. For some they are a TV replacement, for others they are an ereader, for others they are a gaming device, and for some people it is all.
You got me thinking and I did some checking. The Air Base was only open for 13 years and yes the EPA was out testing 72 days ago. Boeing uses the old air base as test strip so the EPA is tests them to see if they are following standards which they are. It is not on the list to become a superfund site and looks pretty clean.
No but since I am not starting construction tomorrow why should I? If someone was going to buy the old base and give it a try wouldn't that be the first thing they would do? Let me ask you this. If the base got a clean bill of health what then would be the problem? And do you think that base would be any worse than any current city that has had decades of Dry Cleaners, gas stations, airports, and goodness knows what else?
You are using the slippery slope argument. There are already communities like this for native Hawaiians on other groups in the US. Most people don't understand that the separation of church and state in the constitution only applied to the congress and not the states. The original idea is that the states could be vastly different communities. For instance Maryland was Mary's Land! It was a roman catholic colony. Pennsylvania was the Quaker colony and so on. With the populations of states that would be a bad idea today but down at the town level it might be interesting to see. As to you not liking it well you do not have too. I do not like places that have laws telling me what color I can paint my house. The world is full of things we do not like and frankly the idea that everyplace in the US has to be the same everywhere. The trick would be finding the balance where you allow a group to have a place where they are comfortable without say allowing KKK City, and Naziburg. A little dinky town in the middle of nowhere Florida that is home to a Catholic college is harmless. What I find amazing is how many people resent other cultures in the US. If I was to move into a hispanic community I would feel out of place and probably left. If I moved to a Hawaiian community I would always be an outsider more or less. That is just the way of things. I could be friends with members of the community but it would be me that would really have to make the effort to reach out and adapt. If I moved to Ava Maria I also would probably not fit in since I am not Catholic. If I went to a historically black college I might stick out a bit. That is just the way it will be unless you want a completely homogenized culture where all difference must be wiped out.
But at least it has a college there. That is at least some reason to go there and an "industry". I thought Ava Maria was interesting and I am kind of sad to see that they couldn't pass those laws. I find the idea of a Catholic town interesting. Being just a town and not a state you could easily go to and by condoms and porn if you wanted. In a way I see those laws not being allowed as being anti diversity. Why not have a town that wants to ban condoms ban them? Why not have a town that wants to ban private cars ban them? As long as it is a small enough community that people are not stuck there I see it as an interesting social experiment. BTW I am not Catholic but I really would like to visit Ava Maria.
In this case boy would they have been right. When I first saw the website I just shook my head. What a freaking boondoggle. It would have been in the middle of nowhere Florida. And yes I grew up in Vero Beach, Florida. The current town at that location is called Yeehaw Junction and no I am not kidding. It is the Turnpike exit that you use to get to Vero. No jobs, no infrastructure, no people. A community there would be a classic Florida land scheme. AKA it is "swampland", not really it is central florida grassland. Good for raising cattle but not much else. Anybody from the area that heard about it would say, wow that is crazy.
Okay Destiny Florida was to be built not too far from where I live and pretty close to where I grew up. The nearest town is Yeehaw Junction, Florida. It has two gas stations/convenience stores and an old brothel that is now a bar/restaurant. It is in the middle of nowhere. You have route 60 which, 441, and the Turnpike their but no rail, no commercial airport and no real jobs. It is hot and humid in the summer and is nothing but cattle ranches and citrus groves. It is not a good location at all to build a community except that the land is cheap. It is a at least an hours drive to Kissimmee and people shop for groceries in Okeechobee, FL.
It was a boondoggle from the start. Honestly the ideal way to build something like that would be to get some companies form a team with companies like Google, Apple, Intel, Bank of America, Publix "in florida", and so on to build facilities their for jobs as well as things like banks and grocery stores. Might I suggest here https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=St+Marie%2C+Mt&data=!1m4!1m3!1d35531!2d-106.5221343!3d48.4125271!4m11!1m10!4m8!1m3!1d56752!2d-80.3896905!3d27.250567!3m2!1i1024!2i768!4f13.1!17b1 It is an old USAF base that has been shutdown. Most of the buildings are empty so you could start with a lot of existing infrastructure and build from there. You already have an airport that could handle jets and lots of potential for wind power and about average for solar. It is the great plains so it is not the ecologically sensitive as the central florida wetlands and has already been developed as a community than left.
Yea that seemed about double what a fill up costs here. That is well over $5 a gallon plus you need to pick up your old battery pack. In other words the Tesla is still not suitable for long trips. You would be better off renting a car for those trips if you want to have a Tesla. AKA it is still a toy for the well to do.
Not really if you think about it. Let's say that you did move to a more modern system sooner. The logical choice would have been to go to the MicroVax which is also dead. The reason why that would have been the logical choice is that it also used the QBus system. The downside is that the software would have to be ported from the PDP 11. You could have gone with X86 but you would have been stuck deciding if the hardware should be ISA, EISA, or MicroChannel!. Then you would have to decide what RTOS to use or would you just go bare metal? Then you would have to validate every motherboard, chip set, and CPU that you would use not to mention re-writing the software for the X86. This is part of the problem with going with COTS hardware in industrial settings. Today there are critical systems running on 486 systems and ISA based hardware running under DOS. If you think about it they are in fact no less outdated than PDP-11 based systems from the same time period. The last PDP-11s were introduced in 1990. There does seem to be a cottage industry building new PDP-11 based computers. They are much smaller, faster, and use modern hard drives and ram but still PDP-11s. Some probably use FPGAs for the CPUs, some use X-86 and are emulated in software, and some may even use ASCs. Just as you can still find people that can rebuild an R-2800 radial engine and by parts for old DC-3s it is possible to keep PDPs plugging along.
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"the problem with nasa is its inception was intended to combat the USSR on a number of fronts. It advanced technologies like ICBM " ,spy sats, weather sats, and nav sats but not ICBMS. In fact NASA benefited more from early ICBMs than it contributed.
Ahhhh No you are wrong and don't know history.
The US ICBM programs were well on their way before there was a NASA. The Army, Navy, and Air Force all had projects that were moving along. NASA started to use those rockets for space work. Atlas, Titan, and Thor where all USAF ICBMs and MRBS that were converted to space launchers. By 1960 the needs of the military weapons and the needs NASA had completely diverged. Smaller warheads and the needs to launch in seconds meant that the next generation of missiles where small solid fueled missiles that were not very useful as space launchers. Minuteman and Polaris where lacked the payload of the older Atlas, Titans and Thor/Deltas. Even the Saturn I first stage was built out of left overs from the Army's SRBM and MRBM programs. It was made of leftover Redstone and Jupiter parts.
You could argue that NASA was to help develop other technology like comm sats
Too bad that the USGOV wasted all those Titan Is. When they were retiring the Atlas and Titan Is after only a few years in service as ICBMs the government stored that Atlases but gave away the Titans to parks and schools and other static displays. The logic was that the NASA had already converted Atlas to launcher so it was cheaper and the Titan I's payload increase over the Atlas wasn't worth the cost. Too bad since they had to re-open the Atlas production line when we ran out of them.
Maybe not. Lockheed Martin claims they can build a test reactor in less than 4 years and a full production reactor by 2022.
http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2013-02/fusion-power-could-happen-sooner-you-think
Yes I know it is in popsci but they are not all flying cars.
That is kind of how it works now for every government project but the bribes are jobs. If you look at any big project like the Shuttle, Apollo, or just about anything they will all have a map showing all the places that will get jobs from the project. Why do you think the big aerospace companies build things in California? About the only Aerospace company that is not located in a big state was Boeing but they are moving their headquarters to Chicago.
Take the top five states by population and look at the companies that are located there or the NASA presence there.
California
Texas
New York
Florida
Illinois
Votes are are power and you need to spread around the jobs. Even SpaceX is in both California and Texas.
"There's no business case for Mars sample return, for instance."
There is no business case for an aircraft carrier, tank, or F-16.
I think the idea is that NASA and the government would say we need to do x and then give a contract or contracts for the project. The problem I see is that the idea is that commercial companies can do it cheaper than bloated government. The problem is that I am not so sure that is true. Back in the 1960s Navy shipyards often built Navy ships that were in large part designed by the Navy. Commercial yards also built ships. Back in the day if you went to a military base the guards where military, as where the cooks, and most of the support personnel. Today most of that is turned over to commercial firms. The problem is that I do not think we are saving any money. I feel that we have this strange almost government but commercial companies that cost as much as old way if not more.
"I would opt for a European country with more a sensible legal system like Switzerland" because Switzerland never cooperates with governments for money. And this is what happens when people do not know history....
Yep he is wrong. Cheap clean energy means fresh water, less CO2, and a higher standard of living.
"In the past, soda and its various strains have been related to depression, irritability, aggression, suicidal thoughts, and delusions of sweepstake-winning grandeur."
http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/aspartame.asp
I mean really people, Slashdot editor Soulskill you have reached a new low for Slashdot.
Actually in Muslim countries extremists are telling people that the polio vaccine is a way for the west to get your DNA so they can track you down and kill you later. Or that it causes AIDs or that it is a plot to sterilize Muslim girls. They also say that is how the US found Bin Laden. None of it is true and there have even been murders of the people trying to give the vaccines. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/09/world/africa/in-nigeria-polio-vaccine-workers-are-killed-by-gunmen.html?_r=0
And please do not get off on an anti-muslim or anti-religion rant. This is pure politics and if you do not think that atheists in power have not done the same types of things I suggest you read up on the history of the USSR, China and North Korea.
You would want to create a virtual version of the hardware to do this. The problem with systems like this is that they may exploit hardware quirks and only work on one card or chip. Of course you would then want to test on a few pieces of real hardware to make sure your simulation is accurate.
I would be more concerned with security. Is it provably secure?
Coincidence is not causality.
Old underground fuel tanks, factories, ag chemicals, dry cleaners, the list of potential causes goes on and on. Not to mention that the the oil industry got it's start in that area because crude oil was bubbling up in springs and wells and at least one spring in the area has had flammable water from methane contamination since the area was settled or invaded if one must be politically correct.
The courts yes but the 14th Amendment doesn't really apply. Separation of church and state limits the rights of congress and does not grant rights or protections to anyone. I would say that the courts are overstepping their bounds as they often seem to do. Take the FISA court for example. Maybe those laws are not even good to have but the idea of communities of different cultures seems to be okay for example in the case of Hawaiians. Would you say that Native only areas and property in Hawaii is unconstitutional since it is restricted by race?
Actually the airbase I was talking about is in Montana. Florida has a lot of great places too bad your too dumb to get past the whole red blue bigotry. Melbourne Florida for instance has the second highest number of engineers per capita in the US only Huntsville Alabama has more. Add in great beaches, good weather most of the year, a very diverse culture and it is not a bad place to live. No former military base would stay undeveloped long in Florida.
Sorry but your wrong. Small tablets like the Nexus 7 are ideal mobile devices. You can check the internet, play games, watch movies, check your email, read a book and so on. They are much better at all of those then a smartphone because of the large screen size.
My Nexus 10 is what I use at home to watch video, read magazines, read books surf the web and so on. They are extremely handy devices. For some they are a TV replacement, for others they are an ereader, for others they are a gaming device, and for some people it is all.
You got me thinking and I did some checking. The Air Base was only open for 13 years and yes the EPA was out testing 72 days ago. Boeing uses the old air base as test strip so the EPA is tests them to see if they are following standards which they are. It is not on the list to become a superfund site and looks pretty clean.
No but since I am not starting construction tomorrow why should I? If someone was going to buy the old base and give it a try wouldn't that be the first thing they would do? Let me ask you this. If the base got a clean bill of health what then would be the problem? And do you think that base would be any worse than any current city that has had decades of Dry Cleaners, gas stations, airports, and goodness knows what else?
You are using the slippery slope argument. There are already communities like this for native Hawaiians on other groups in the US. Most people don't understand that the separation of church and state in the constitution only applied to the congress and not the states. The original idea is that the states could be vastly different communities. For instance Maryland was Mary's Land! It was a roman catholic colony. Pennsylvania was the Quaker colony and so on. With the populations of states that would be a bad idea today but down at the town level it might be interesting to see. As to you not liking it well you do not have too. I do not like places that have laws telling me what color I can paint my house. The world is full of things we do not like and frankly the idea that everyplace in the US has to be the same everywhere. The trick would be finding the balance where you allow a group to have a place where they are comfortable without say allowing KKK City, and Naziburg. A little dinky town in the middle of nowhere Florida that is home to a Catholic college is harmless. What I find amazing is how many people resent other cultures in the US. If I was to move into a hispanic community I would feel out of place and probably left. If I moved to a Hawaiian community I would always be an outsider more or less. That is just the way of things. I could be friends with members of the community but it would be me that would really have to make the effort to reach out and adapt. If I moved to Ava Maria I also would probably not fit in since I am not Catholic. If I went to a historically black college I might stick out a bit. That is just the way it will be unless you want a completely homogenized culture where all difference must be wiped out.
But at least it has a college there. That is at least some reason to go there and an "industry". I thought Ava Maria was interesting and I am kind of sad to see that they couldn't pass those laws. I find the idea of a Catholic town interesting. Being just a town and not a state you could easily go to and by condoms and porn if you wanted. In a way I see those laws not being allowed as being anti diversity. Why not have a town that wants to ban condoms ban them? Why not have a town that wants to ban private cars ban them? As long as it is a small enough community that people are not stuck there I see it as an interesting social experiment. BTW I am not Catholic but I really would like to visit Ava Maria.
Worse than that was to be right next to Yeehaw Junction. Ever got off on that Turnpike exit? The site was just a bit north on 441 I think.
In this case boy would they have been right. When I first saw the website I just shook my head. What a freaking boondoggle. It would have been in the middle of nowhere Florida. And yes I grew up in Vero Beach, Florida. The current town at that location is called Yeehaw Junction and no I am not kidding. It is the Turnpike exit that you use to get to Vero. No jobs, no infrastructure, no people. A community there would be a classic Florida land scheme. AKA it is "swampland", not really it is central florida grassland. Good for raising cattle but not much else.
Anybody from the area that heard about it would say, wow that is crazy.
Okay Destiny Florida was to be built not too far from where I live and pretty close to where I grew up. The nearest town is Yeehaw Junction, Florida. It has two gas stations/convenience stores and an old brothel that is now a bar/restaurant. It is in the middle of nowhere. You have route 60 which, 441, and the Turnpike their but no rail, no commercial airport and no real jobs. It is hot and humid in the summer and is nothing but cattle ranches and citrus groves. It is not a good location at all to build a community except that the land is cheap. It is a at least an hours drive to Kissimmee and people shop for groceries in Okeechobee, FL.
It was a boondoggle from the start. Honestly the ideal way to build something like that would be to get some companies form a team with companies like Google, Apple, Intel, Bank of America, Publix "in florida", and so on to build facilities their for jobs as well as things like banks and grocery stores.
Might I suggest here https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=St+Marie%2C+Mt&data=!1m4!1m3!1d35531!2d-106.5221343!3d48.4125271!4m11!1m10!4m8!1m3!1d56752!2d-80.3896905!3d27.250567!3m2!1i1024!2i768!4f13.1!17b1
It is an old USAF base that has been shutdown. Most of the buildings are empty so you could start with a lot of existing infrastructure and build from there. You already have an airport that could handle jets and lots of potential for wind power and about average for solar. It is the great plains so it is not the ecologically sensitive as the central florida wetlands and has already been developed as a community than left.
Yea that was a typo I meant to say well over $4 a gallon. A lot more than we pay for gas here.
Yea that seemed about double what a fill up costs here. That is well over $5 a gallon plus you need to pick up your old battery pack. In other words the Tesla is still not suitable for long trips. You would be better off renting a car for those trips if you want to have a Tesla. AKA it is still a toy for the well to do.
Not really if you think about it. Let's say that you did move to a more modern system sooner. The logical choice would have been to go to the MicroVax which is also dead. The reason why that would have been the logical choice is that it also used the QBus system. The downside is that the software would have to be ported from the PDP 11.
You could have gone with X86 but you would have been stuck deciding if the hardware should be ISA, EISA, or MicroChannel!. Then you would have to decide what RTOS to use or would you just go bare metal? Then you would have to validate every motherboard, chip set, and CPU that you would use not to mention re-writing the software for the X86.
This is part of the problem with going with COTS hardware in industrial settings. Today there are critical systems running on 486 systems and ISA based hardware running under DOS. If you think about it they are in fact no less outdated than PDP-11 based systems from the same time period. The last PDP-11s were introduced in 1990. There does seem to be a cottage industry building new PDP-11 based computers. They are much smaller, faster, and use modern hard drives and ram but still PDP-11s. Some probably use FPGAs for the CPUs, some use X-86 and are emulated in software, and some may even use ASCs. Just as you can still find people that can rebuild an R-2800 radial engine and by parts for old DC-3s it is possible to keep PDPs plugging along.
There people sell new PDP-11 Systems. http://www.logical-co.com/dec-replacement-systems/