Sig11, eh? You are running as root? I have a Diamond Viper 770 (TNT2) and I've had success running Q3A once I set the depth to 16 bpp and monkeyed with the video settings, although my V2 runs a bit better still so far.
Which X server are you running? XF86 3.3.3.* or up SVGA, i would think.
This has happened many times: PHB sees something marginally interesting and relevant on the web. He prints out a bunch of pages and brings them to ne next staff meeting to talk about.
How many times have I wanted to make the case for a wireless net connection to a laptop with one of those overhead projector adapter thingies so PHB can impress us without printing out 10+ pages per employee!
well sleazy politician is redundant, but McCain is one of the better ones, IMO.
I make my living in the wireless telco world, and McCain seems to be pretty clueful when it comes to whapping the FCC when they stray.
Plus, he's a Vietnam-era pilot/POW. Just from the bio I've seen on Discovery channel, this guy has a lot going for him. He has a pretty no horse-shit attitude that I find refreshing in national politics.
Well, if he had the same instant reaction I had, I thought this was a Microsoft Linux... two seconds later after looking at the comments, I figured it out...
Yes, I have seen this argument before and I pretty much buy into it. Microsoft seems to be pointing at Linux and the developments that have happened since the DOJ first filed this suit. It seems like a thin distracting tactic that Jackson is not likely to buy, but Microsoft seems to have realized that they can't win the case inside the courtroom, so they are taking their message to the outside world in some desperate attempt to sway public opinion in their favor.
Anything that has developed since the DOJ first filed this motion should not have any bearing on this case. What happened up to the point of the case going to Federal Court and the evidence presented in the course of the trial are of course what the judge will weigh in making his decision. Microsoft knows they will lose on Jackson's decision. Microsoft appears to be trying to influence public perception to the point that it may benefit them in the appeal.
The issue is not if Linux or anything else is a real competitive threat to Microsoft's dominace of the home and business desktop. The issue is if Microsoft used the _fact_ of its overpowering market share of the pre-installed commercial desktop OS business to illegaly position its other products at the expense of its competitors.
It seems pretty obvious to me that the DOJ has a very strong case that this is in fact what did happen. Microsoft twisted arms left and right to make sure that IE was the only browser pre-installed on systems made by major suppliers. Then they went a step further by claiming that the OS was an integrated component of the OS itself, further entrenching IE into pre-installed systems and squeezing Netscape further out of the market it once dominated.
Didn't Dell, Gateway and a bunch of others come out and describe the tactics Microsoft used? Isn't it odd that all of a sudden these major players are beginning to offer Linux systems, now that Microsoft's illegal practices have been brought out into the open and they can't continue to threaten to raise license fees or cut discounts?
God, I'm not sure what will come of all this. Part of me wants Microsoft to pay dearly for their sins. Another part of me wants Microsoft to transform into a better company that makes decent products at reasonable prices and has ethical business practices. I guess as long as there is fair competition, Microsoft is stopped from continueing its dirty tricks, I'll be satisfied.
Oh yeah, glad I wasn't the only one to do that! My HS bought a TRS-80 MIII back in '81 and once I reached the limit of what I could do with basic, I then moved on to Z80 assembler because that's all else there was.
Then I got to Purdue where I learned 'the true nature of the Force' with OS/360 BAL. Thank god they got a vax 11-780 the next year or I might have given up on programming as a career (I eventually did anyway, but not because of IBM mainframe assembly.
By the time I graduated in '86 they had IBM XT's but I never had much of a chance to program assembler on those.
First, yes I am against this idea on moral, technical and common sense grounds....
But do we know that this would be a traditional tattoo (visible ink injected below the skin with a needle)? I haven't looked up the patent, but it sounds similar to an idea I heard a long while ago.
A mark that can be painlessly applied that is visible only with ultraviolet or some such. So you can't object for any health or comfort reasons, no religeous or cosmetic objections. And to top it off, it is not compulsory but you get a substantial discount for using it, or you have to pay a huge surcharge if you don't
Some banks and merchants will insist on it and it will be harder and harder to get by without one. Airlines start to give passengers discounts for using 'ticketless' services, later some carriers simply require it for international travel. After a while, the government decides this would be a great cost-savings for social security, welfare and food stamp programs to reduce costs and fight fraud. Eventually, all public grade schools require that you have one and that your child's immunization records be tied to the code by your private physician. Then, to control overpopulation, everyone must go to carousel by their 30th year, or the red chrystal in their palm starts to blink and Michael York comes and kills you.
You can find the actual e-mail addy's through that page and send the note direct. If you do that (which I did) be sure to mention that you tried to send mail through the form and it appears to never have been sent.
Is that a microsoft page? Its kind of hard to tell, kinda looks like its external, not really sure about that?
Others have already noted that the drivers appear to be distribution neutral with some redhat-specific patches. The patches appear to be targeted at kernel versions specific to 6.0 and 5.2.
I would suspect that this is more about publicity than trying to lock anyone into a RedHat distribution. When the headline shows up on the technology news ticker at yahoo it will say "3Com supports RedHat Linux" rather than "3Com released distribution-neutral, GPLed network card driver sources for Linux - with RedHat-specific patches".
So, it seems to me that they did the right thing (released driver source under the GPL) and tried to put an investor-friendly announcement out there to maximize the stock value. I'm sorry if I don't see all that much wrong here.
That's not a bad point. I find that I often forget to check the box to not add my automatic +1 to posts that I'm just spitting out (like this one:-) )in response to someone else's discussion that probably, although not a bad or off-topic post, probably isn't a +2.
Also, for other reasons, I _do_ want to see scores when I get points to moderate. Nothing I hate worse than seeing a -1 post that is neither flamebait or off-topic, just merely an opposing opinion. As long as its someone's opinion with some valid arguments, it should have as much chance to be seen as any other 'good' post. Also, posts that are marked up waaay too much can be knocked down.
My feeling is that meta-moderation can be used to correct this problem, if there were only additional info in the m2 page. Sequence of moderation.
This might be real tough to do but here's what I'd like: When presented with a comment on m2 page that has had multiple moderations, show what the post was scored at the time the moderator marked it.
So, if a post ends up +5, when it shows up in M2 the first time, it might have an original score of 2 and went to 3. I would mark that as 'fair'.
The next time it shows, the original score was 3 and went to 4. Maybe I leave this alone, maybe 'unfair'.
The third time I see the post and it goes from 4 to 5 and its not a 5 comment and the moderator is just doing a 'mee-too' like has been suggested, it is markeed 'unfair'.
Now, the moderator who put the post over the top loses karma and maybe gets less points.
I know, but it was a thought...
(oh and Rob, showing me my Karma points is bad, makes me hit reload waaay too much to look at my post history to see what I did right/wrong) =D
Yeah, that's a really good point - you are right. I was more confirming that the nVidia stuff _works_ pretty well than trying to deliver any judgement on the overall suitability vs anything else. I have no direct experience with the Matrox stuff but a friend has a G200 and swears by it.
Well, I read the announcement and the article and did not see the word 'certification' anywhere. What I saw was a pretty good-faith effort to offer information on how to get their equipment to run Linux. Lack of a supported modem is a huge issue, to be sure. I just didn't jump to the comclusion or see any language that IBM was claiming that they were 100% certified compatible with _anything_ (did I really miss that?)
Now the story with the marketing guy sounded terrible, but the other link actually had some good information, was very upfront with the issues were work was needed, and appears to be a good-faith effort on the part of IBM.
(just curious, why is this post 'funny'? I don't get the joke, I guess)
Well, the thing that bothers me is the doubtful availability of source. If you wind up with binary-only 'support', then you will likely have the issue of mismatched librarues or some such problem that can be fixed by compiling the source on your deb, suse, slack whatever - but you can't cause you don't have source so it doesn't work at all.
God, ain't that the truth! While I was reading, I just about gagged when I reached this:
by claiming compatibility on Linux, we maintain the position that Thinkpad is the leader in this industry, period. No. 2, we absolutely see a lot of demand from influential people in the marketplace, particularly in education and in the smaller developer markets. When you look at your route-to-market strategy this is obviously important. Thinkpad is very strong in education and Linux is obviously targeting that. We're right there with them." --Tim Eades, a segment marketing manager for IBM Thinkpads
Ok, my problem with the first statement is that his empasis is on _claiming_ compatibility, not deivering it.
The next tip-off is the "route-to-market strategy" marketing-speak.
Then he talks about "... Linux targeting that." and "We're right there with them." Sounds like he's talking about some other company's marketing strategy that he's aligning himself with. Maybe he meant to say RedHat vs Linux, that would make more sense but then this brings up the whole distribution-specific support headache.
I just picture the engineers rolling their eyes reading this as it is obvious that this guy is talking out of his (insert name of bodily orifice here) since the marketing department has obviously gotten _way_ out in frot of the engineers and are making up their own copy.
Actually, it says 500 feet _from_ the atlantic ocean, maybe in a marina, methinks. Should be able to detect trees falling without too much extra-sensory perception. =)
Right, I can second that. I was using a STB Velocity 128 wich is the nVidia Riva 128 - works great. The older Diamond viper is the TNT while the new Viper 770 is the TNT2, both work very well under X (I have my wife's machine running the TNT PCI on an AMD K6-2 300 and I'm using the TNT2 AGP on a PII-333 - both are great).
The 3D stuff still runs best on my Voodoo2, but the drivers for the nVidia are getting there and hopefully XF86 4.0 will be ready by the time Quake 3 is out.:-)
Hmm, the 5-second explanation on CNN last night showed an animation where the detection involved the eclipsing of the star by the planet. So if this is right, they didn't detect the light reflecting off the planet, they detected the obscuring of the star as the planet orbits.
Believe me, I tried. What I ordered was a 440LX board with just an open AGP slot. They were short on these and sent me a BX board with the onboard crap chip. I was pissed, called right away and got no satisfaction. They pointed me to their terms that said they could substitute for equal or greater _value_ as long as they notified me (they did send me an e-mail the same day it shipped).
Bastards. I learned my lesson. Machines I've built since then I've ordered from more reputable suppliers and usually get individual components separate rather than a kit.
As it turns out, I kind of ended up on the better side of this anyway, since they shipped a 100mzh board, the memory was upgraded pc100 as well and I ended up using the board in a different machine anyway. The board actually had AT and ATX connectors and fit nicely into my old 386 tower. I got a new powersupply and ended up getting a 450Mhz OEM PII at a swap meet and a nice 14gig HD and ended up turning this into a server anyway.
I happen to be the not-so-proud owner of a Alton motherboard with an on-board Sis video chip. (bought a barebones kit last year and they swapped for an 'equivalent' board:( ). Now maybe I can get decent video (I've been limping along with VGA16 for months).
yeah, i scratched my head wondering the same thing. How about this? When you insert a blank floppy to create a boot disk, it assigns a randome string as the root password and saves it on the boot floppy. Then, when the new user finally gets around to doing something that needs root, like installing an RPM or something, the manual tells them to insert the boot floppy and then something semi-automated comes up to prompt them to enter a root password?
oh man, that would be great. I'm a careful parent who tries to limit my childrens' (3 and 6) TV time to reasonable limits and to make sure the shows they do watch are appropriate. What I hate is when the kids sit down to watch something fairly innocuous (sp?) and then ads for WWF wrestling or the latest Kung-Fu movie come on. I'm not about to let the gub-mint censor what my kids watch for me, but it'd be nice to know that for the 1/2 hour that i'm letting them watch Scooby Doo, that they're not going to get blasted with "brutal body-slam action!" and stuff like that.
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Sig11, eh? You are running as root? I have a Diamond Viper 770 (TNT2) and I've had success running Q3A once I set the depth to 16 bpp and monkeyed with the video settings, although my V2 runs a bit better still so far.
Which X server are you running? XF86 3.3.3.* or up SVGA, i would think.
This has happened many times: PHB sees something marginally interesting and relevant on the web. He prints out a bunch of pages and brings them to ne next staff meeting to talk about.
How many times have I wanted to make the case for a wireless net connection to a laptop with one of those overhead projector adapter thingies so PHB can impress us without printing out 10+ pages per employee!
well sleazy politician is redundant, but McCain is one of the better ones, IMO.
I make my living in the wireless telco world, and McCain seems to be pretty clueful when it comes to whapping the FCC when they stray.
Plus, he's a Vietnam-era pilot/POW. Just from the bio I've seen on Discovery channel, this guy has a lot going for him. He has a pretty no horse-shit attitude that I find refreshing in national politics.
>What's so heart attack inducing about...
Well, if he had the same instant reaction I had, I thought this was a Microsoft Linux... two seconds later after looking at the comments, I figured it out...
Yes, I have seen this argument before and I pretty much buy into it. Microsoft seems to be pointing at Linux and the developments that have happened since the DOJ first filed this suit. It seems like a thin distracting tactic that Jackson is not likely to buy, but Microsoft seems to have realized that they can't win the case inside the courtroom, so they are taking their message to the outside world in some desperate attempt to sway public opinion in their favor.
Anything that has developed since the DOJ first filed this motion should not have any bearing on this case. What happened up to the point of the case going to Federal Court and the evidence presented in the course of the trial are of course what the judge will weigh in making his decision.
Microsoft knows they will lose on Jackson's decision. Microsoft appears to be trying to influence public perception to the point that it may benefit them in the appeal.
The issue is not if Linux or anything else is a real competitive threat to Microsoft's dominace of the home and business desktop. The issue is if Microsoft used the _fact_ of its overpowering market share of the pre-installed commercial desktop OS business to illegaly position its other products at the expense of its competitors.
It seems pretty obvious to me that the DOJ has a very strong case that this is in fact what did happen. Microsoft twisted arms left and right to make sure that IE was the only browser pre-installed on systems made by major suppliers. Then they went a step further by claiming that the OS was an integrated component of the OS itself, further entrenching IE into pre-installed systems and squeezing Netscape further out of the market it once dominated.
Didn't Dell, Gateway and a bunch of others come out and describe the tactics Microsoft used? Isn't it odd that all of a sudden these major players are beginning to offer Linux systems, now that Microsoft's illegal practices have been brought out into the open and they can't continue to threaten to raise license fees or cut discounts?
God, I'm not sure what will come of all this. Part of me wants Microsoft to pay dearly for their sins. Another part of me wants Microsoft to transform into a better company that makes decent products at reasonable prices and has ethical business practices. I guess as long as there is fair competition, Microsoft is stopped from continueing its dirty tricks, I'll be satisfied.
> it doesn't seem as though they just woke up and noticed that the technology was similar
No, but it may be that with the acquisition by AOL they think there might be some deeper pocklets willing to settle quickly?
Or maybe the availability of Mozilla source gave them some insight into whe suspected infringement that wasn't clear before?
ah, oops - I replied earlier b4 I saw that you had already done it for me. :-)
How about a TRS-80 / Sinclair flame war?
Oh yeah, glad I wasn't the only one to do that! My HS bought a TRS-80 MIII back in '81 and once I reached the limit of what I could do with basic, I then moved on to Z80 assembler because that's all else there was.
Then I got to Purdue where I learned 'the true nature of the Force' with OS/360 BAL. Thank god they got a vax 11-780 the next year or I might have given up on programming as a career (I eventually did anyway, but not because of IBM mainframe assembly.
By the time I graduated in '86 they had IBM XT's but I never had much of a chance to program assembler on those.
First, yes I am against this idea on moral, technical and common sense grounds....
But do we know that this would be a traditional tattoo (visible ink injected below the skin with a needle)? I haven't looked up the patent, but it sounds similar to an idea I heard a long while ago.
A mark that can be painlessly applied that is visible only with ultraviolet or some such. So you can't object for any health or comfort reasons, no religeous or cosmetic objections. And to top it off, it is not compulsory but you get a substantial discount for using it, or you have to pay a huge surcharge if you don't
Some banks and merchants will insist on it and it will be harder and harder to get by without one. Airlines start to give passengers discounts for using 'ticketless' services, later some carriers simply require it for international travel. After a while, the government decides this would be a great cost-savings for social security, welfare and food stamp programs to reduce costs and fight fraud. Eventually, all public grade schools require that you have one and that your child's immunization records be tied to the code by your private physician. Then, to control overpopulation, everyone must go to carousel by their 30th year, or the red chrystal in their palm starts to blink and Michael York comes and kills you.
Then I woke up from my nightmare sweating...
You can find the actual e-mail addy's through that page and send the note direct. If you do that (which I did) be sure to mention that you tried to send mail through the form and it appears to never have been sent.
Is that a microsoft page? Its kind of hard to tell, kinda looks like its external, not really sure about that?
Yes it makes sense to me.
Others have already noted that the drivers appear to be distribution neutral with some redhat-specific patches. The patches appear to be targeted at kernel versions specific to 6.0 and 5.2.
I would suspect that this is more about publicity than trying to lock anyone into a RedHat distribution. When the headline shows up on the technology news ticker at yahoo it will say "3Com supports RedHat Linux" rather than "3Com released distribution-neutral, GPLed network card driver sources for Linux - with RedHat-specific patches".
So, it seems to me that they did the right thing (released driver source under the GPL) and tried to put an investor-friendly announcement out there to maximize the stock value. I'm sorry if I don't see all that much wrong here.
That's not a bad point. I find that I often forget to check the box to not add my automatic +1 to posts that I'm just spitting out (like this one :-) )in response to someone else's discussion that probably, although not a bad or off-topic post, probably isn't a +2.
Also, for other reasons, I _do_ want to see scores when I get points to moderate. Nothing I hate worse than seeing a -1 post that is neither flamebait or off-topic, just merely an opposing opinion. As long as its someone's opinion with some valid arguments, it should have as much chance to be seen as any other 'good' post. Also, posts that are marked up waaay too much can be knocked down.
My feeling is that meta-moderation can be used to correct this problem, if there were only additional info in the m2 page. Sequence of moderation.
This might be real tough to do but here's what I'd like: When presented with a comment on m2 page that has had multiple moderations, show what the post was scored at the time the moderator marked it.
So, if a post ends up +5, when it shows up in M2 the first time, it might have an original score of 2 and went to 3. I would mark that as 'fair'.
The next time it shows, the original score was 3 and went to 4. Maybe I leave this alone, maybe 'unfair'.
The third time I see the post and it goes from 4 to 5 and its not a 5 comment and the moderator is just doing a 'mee-too' like has been suggested, it is markeed 'unfair'.
Now, the moderator who put the post over the top loses karma and maybe gets less points.
I know, but it was a thought...
(oh and Rob, showing me my Karma points is bad, makes me hit reload waaay too much to look at my post history to see what I did right/wrong) =D
As always, appreciate your work, Rob!
Yeah, that's a really good point - you are right. I was more confirming that the nVidia stuff _works_ pretty well than trying to deliver any judgement on the overall suitability vs anything else. I have no direct experience with the Matrox stuff but a friend has a G200 and swears by it.
Well, I read the announcement and the article and did not see the word 'certification' anywhere. What I saw was a pretty good-faith effort to offer information on how to get their equipment to run Linux. Lack of a supported modem is a huge issue, to be sure. I just didn't jump to the comclusion or see any language that IBM was claiming that they were 100% certified compatible with _anything_ (did I really miss that?)
Now the story with the marketing guy sounded terrible, but the other link actually had some good information, was very upfront with the issues were work was needed, and appears to be a good-faith effort on the part of IBM.
(just curious, why is this post 'funny'? I don't get the joke, I guess)
Well, the thing that bothers me is the doubtful availability of source. If you wind up with binary-only 'support', then you will likely have the issue of mismatched librarues or some such problem that can be fixed by compiling the source on your deb, suse, slack whatever - but you can't cause you don't have source so it doesn't work at all.
God, ain't that the truth! While I was reading, I just about gagged when I reached this:
by claiming compatibility on Linux, we maintain the position that Thinkpad is the leader in this industry, period. No. 2, we absolutely see a lot of demand from influential people in the marketplace, particularly in education and in the smaller developer markets. When you look at your route-to-market strategy this is obviously important. Thinkpad is very strong in education and Linux is obviously targeting that. We're right there with them." --Tim Eades, a segment marketing manager for IBM Thinkpads
Ok, my problem with the first statement is that his empasis is on _claiming_ compatibility, not deivering it.
The next tip-off is the "route-to-market strategy" marketing-speak.
Then he talks about "... Linux targeting that." and "We're right there with them." Sounds like he's talking about some other company's marketing strategy that he's aligning himself with. Maybe he meant to say RedHat vs Linux, that would make more sense but then this brings up the whole distribution-specific support headache.
I just picture the engineers rolling their eyes reading this as it is obvious that this guy is talking out of his (insert name of bodily orifice here) since the marketing department has obviously gotten _way_ out in frot of the engineers and are making up their own copy.
Actually, it says 500 feet _from_ the atlantic ocean, maybe in a marina, methinks. Should be able to detect trees falling without too much extra-sensory perception. =)
Right, I can second that. I was using a STB Velocity 128 wich is the nVidia Riva 128 - works great. The older Diamond viper is the TNT while the new Viper 770 is the TNT2, both work very well under X (I have my wife's machine running the TNT PCI on an AMD K6-2 300 and I'm using the TNT2 AGP on a PII-333 - both are great).
:-)
The 3D stuff still runs best on my Voodoo2, but the drivers for the nVidia are getting there and hopefully XF86 4.0 will be ready by the time Quake 3 is out.
Hmm, the 5-second explanation on CNN last night showed an animation where the detection involved the eclipsing of the star by the planet. So if this is right, they didn't detect the light reflecting off the planet, they detected the obscuring of the star as the planet orbits.
Believe me, I tried. What I ordered was a 440LX board with just an open AGP slot. They were short on these and sent me a BX board with the onboard crap chip. I was pissed, called right away and got no satisfaction. They pointed me to their terms that said they could substitute for equal or greater _value_ as long as they notified me (they did send me an e-mail the same day it shipped).
Bastards. I learned my lesson. Machines I've built since then I've ordered from more reputable suppliers and usually get individual components separate rather than a kit.
As it turns out, I kind of ended up on the better side of this anyway, since they shipped a 100mzh board, the memory was upgraded pc100 as well and I ended up using the board in a different machine anyway. The board actually had AT and ATX connectors and fit nicely into my old 386 tower. I got a new powersupply and ended up getting a 450Mhz OEM PII at a swap meet and a nice 14gig HD and ended up turning this into a server anyway.
I happen to be the not-so-proud owner of a Alton motherboard with an on-board Sis video chip. (bought a barebones kit last year and they swapped for an 'equivalent' board :( ). Now maybe I can get decent video (I've been limping along with VGA16 for months).
Ohh, and if it does it would make a sweeeet beowulf cluster. (ok, I got it out of my system for the day, go ahead and moderate this to hell.) =)
yeah, i scratched my head wondering the same thing. How about this? When you insert a blank floppy to create a boot disk, it assigns a randome string as the root password and saves it on the boot floppy. Then, when the new user finally gets around to doing something that needs root, like installing an RPM or something, the manual tells them to insert the boot floppy and then something semi-automated comes up to prompt them to enter a root password?
oh man, that would be great. I'm a careful parent who tries to limit my childrens' (3 and 6) TV time to reasonable limits and to make sure the shows they do watch are appropriate. What I hate is when the kids sit down to watch something fairly innocuous (sp?) and then ads for WWF wrestling or the latest Kung-Fu movie come on. I'm not about to let the gub-mint censor what my kids watch for me, but it'd be nice to know that for the 1/2 hour that i'm letting them watch Scooby Doo, that they're not going to get blasted with "brutal body-slam action!" and stuff like that.
>Hey no one has to buy a TV with a V-Chip
right, unless you want a screen larger than 13"
"A 1996 telecommunications law requires all new TV sets 13 inches and larger to come with the technology by 2000."