Yeah... but how will it sounds after you run it through the wash a few times? You'll just have to go out and get a new t-shirt. I'm convinced this is a plot by "Haines" and "Fruit of the Loom"!
I agree that they are different things, but part (a large part I think) in the DeCSS case is not just the code constituting free speech, but the limitations placed by the DMCA in general are unconstitutional and fly in the face of the assurences organizations like both MPAA and RIAA gave congress that the law would not impinge on existing "fair use" copyright law.
After seeing the unfinished trailer they showed at Dragon*Con, and hearing them plead with fans not to video tape it and release it to the internet, I agree. Some of the footage we saw was only partially done and some of it was finished (it all looked absolutely great though, and I'm highly looking forward to this).
I'm preaty sure this wasn't a deliberate leak (unlike what some people are implying). I think its just a case of someone jumping the gun ahead of someone else's wishes... not that we've _ever_ seen that happen before;)
I agree with you 1000%, but after finishing up the latest project I've been working on for my company (and one of my first group projects) I can say the following:
Geeks do not (usually) find documentation fun Geeks like to dive into a job, not usually plan it out
The result is that I think Open Source software in general has poorer documentation (this is changing slowly but lets be honest, most people would rather code then document), and more disorginazation/decentralization is tolerated (especially in the beginnings of projects).
Like all rules there seem to be a number of acceptions. I think you're right, but the quote signifies the change in culture that needs to take place for Linux to go mainstream. Up until now its mostly been for the 'fun of the developer', now we have to focus as much on the 'fun of the user' who may not necessarily be a developer, or a geek, or even a Power User.
Interesting. Thanks. By the way, by way of coincidence the following quote appeared at the bottom of the page:
"The most important design issue... is the fact that Linux is supposed to be fun... -- Linus Torvalds at the First Dutch International Symposium on Linux"
I'm not sure I'd agree about a MS forcing everyone to use MFC producing a 'better' library, but it certainly helps produce more of them (both better and worse). After all, by that logic we should all just use WinXX since that has one standard API and all these apps already. Personally I'm looking forward to the day when I can use my Win95 CD as a coaster next to my AOL CD (unfortunately I still need Windows for work).
Incidentally, isn't there the OWL framework that Borland was pushing as an alternative to MFC? Wether people used it or not, it was still there and it was still an alternative, and one that some people used.
There is more then enough room for both KDE and Gnome... provided we develop some standards so that applications written for either can be run by either, and run mostly (not neccessarily 'entirely' although that would be nice) the same.
I think they do that already, and the penalty of loading an extra set of libraries is not that much nowadays. Diversity is a good thing, and one that is most likely not going to disapear soon, since even if one side grabs the developers (and in my opinion, people usually go where the most apps they can use is... all else being equal), the other is doing it because they want to.
I agree, and because of that I am especially wary when I saw this:
"This is certainly a serious one," said Steve Lipner, manager of the Security Response Center at Microsoft. Lipner said the stand-alone Outlook patch might not be ready until Wednesday, but concerned Outlook users can protect themselves immediately by downloading and installing the newest version of Internet Explorer at Microsoft's download site. That software includes code that will stop the vulnerability.
So the way to stop the virus is to load IE5.5? Why? Did they already know about the virus for a while and do nothing to tell anyone else (ie. release a patch for the existing users while developing the future release)? Sound like a malicious plan to force users to upgrade to a new version, as long as the bug wasn't uncovered too soon.
Not to sound like a troll but I wonder if this wouldn't help bring KDE to the table (not that I believe at all they would need to be brought) with Gnome to discuss common component access.
Of course if SO is OpenSourced then the KOffice developers might just take the pieces they think they need and leave it at that. (They've done a truly remarkable job BTW to anyone who hasn't checked it out).
Either way (or should I say 'Anyway' to include 'Nothing happens' as a choice), everyone wins.
No-one goes by reviews alone when buying a product such as a word processor or a graphics package. We look more at features and familiarity and compliance with standards than what some stupid startup.com say about it. Most ppl relie on word of mouth that reviews in any case
Okay, I'll bite and agree that a fair amount of people look to things like features and familiarity when buying an app. I disagree with the "...compliance with standards" bit though. Windows is lots of things, and complient with SOME standards, but mostly its compliant with itself. Linux is also mostly compliant with standards and if the Linux Standards Group ever actually makes any decisions you can bet I'll only support Distro's that impliment them, but there is a lack of standards to be complient with in that arena (although on an aplication front at least Linux is leaps and bounds ahead of Windows in being standards compliant with everything but MS-Office... a current de-facto standard).
I wish people would cared more about word of mouth than reviews. Some do, the rest keep the Ziff-Davis publishing houses churning out more dead trees in a week then could possibly be useful to any one person.
Most companies still want Solaris (and quite a few run HP-UX).
In the long run if Linux continues the way it has it might make stronger inroads there, but for now, Big Buisness trusts Sun and HP more then they trust Linux.
However... if Linux can catch up and prove itself (to big buisness... the rest of us already believe in it)....
Interesting, but how do we (the Linux community) avoid doing the same thing?
Until now there have been few apps, now we are starting to see the floodgate open (first the Database Servers, then the Desktops, games and office suites, etc.). As more and more commercial apps are being produced for Linux, how do we not fall into the rut Microsquish did?
Not to get off topic, (well...) but on the off topic, 'topic' of 'ways to exert preasure', I seem to recall Henry Ford discriminating against minorities and the major motion picture houses (then mostly owner/run by Jews) told him to change his policy or else every week in the News Reel, they would make sure to find footage of a Ford car getting into an accident. After a few weeks he recanted and complied.
True... but the other side of it was that it was a competitor.
Edison owned most of the patents for DC current while Westinghouse (mostly due to and because of Tesla) owned most of the patents for AC current.
I believe that in an effort to sway the public, Edison even went as far as making sure the first electric chair was AC so people would associate AC current with death.
I agree with your comment, but to play devils advocate for a minute, you could also have a film that was released for the internet, and, after turning out to be wildly successfull, they decide to have a Theater run of it. This could (at least theoretically) be more of what they were targeting (similar to the way you don't see movies that show on T.V. being eligable for Emmy awards).
I admit that a limited pre-screening for testing purposes would make sense to do over the net, but if it is only 'distributed' to select individuals then how is that different then a private screening or the director passing around a video tape? What the indis might do to get around this is have a process similar to a 'closed beta' in the software buisness. Take names, select people, hold a screening for them (behind some sort of password protection). Then at least you can argue that the movie wasn't released yet, so it being displayed over the internet shouldn't count against it (and additionally you can verify at least one e-mail address to get info from after the screening, since they have to have one to receive the access name/password). It was merely used as the distribution mechanism to a registered test screening audiance. Otherwise FOX's latest release Titan A.E. would already be disqualified, since it was distributed over the internet to a pre-screening in Vegas (to much heralding of a new era).
Speaking as an ethical vegitarian since birth (27 years and counting) I'm in favor of the gathering (although unless they have something I can eat I might not attend):)
The fact is that people have to make choices, and advocacy is advocacy. Much like the Linux kind, the way to win people over is not to turn 'Fundamentalist' and ultimately its a choice that may not be right for everyone to make. (As another Vegitarian friend described herself, "I'm a non-prosilatizing Vegetarian").
I can totally understand the feelings behind the BBQ thought, and think it strikes a nice balance between outlandish and reasonable (and funny).
Some people will always eat meat. PETA has acted poorly. Their reaction is to draw media attention to PETA's poor action. This would do it.
Of course the ultimate Irony (with a capital 'I'), is if they had the cookout BBQ and included a vegetarian alternative.
This is hardly surprising, after all, most different mediums each have their own awards.
Movies have the Oscars. Television has the Emmys.
I think what we need to do is get started on putting together the Awards for internet released film. Since 'Webbies' is already taken, I propose that we honor the creator of the internet and name the Gores (as in, "Have you heard that 'Shining Blue Diode' run Best Picture at the Gores?"). I figure this could also double as a jab at the Oscar's once net movies take off (as is "Hey, did you see the way 'Shining Blue Diode' Gored the box office ticket sales this weekend?").
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Yeah... but how will it sounds after you run it through the wash a few times? You'll just have to go out and get a new t-shirt. I'm convinced this is a plot by "Haines" and "Fruit of the Loom"!
;)
I agree that they are different things,
but part (a large part I think) in the DeCSS case is not just the code constituting free speech, but the limitations placed by the DMCA in general are unconstitutional and fly in the face of the assurences organizations like both MPAA and RIAA gave congress that the law would not impinge on existing "fair use" copyright law.
After seeing the unfinished trailer they showed at Dragon*Con, and hearing them plead with fans not to video tape it and release it to the internet, I agree. Some of the footage we saw was only partially done and some of it was finished (it all looked absolutely great though, and I'm highly looking forward to this).
;)
I'm preaty sure this wasn't a deliberate leak (unlike what some people are implying). I think its just a case of someone jumping the gun ahead of someone else's wishes... not that we've _ever_ seen that happen before
I agree with you 1000%, but after finishing up the latest project I've been working on for my company (and one of my first group projects) I can say the following:
Geeks do not (usually) find documentation fun
Geeks like to dive into a job, not usually plan it out
The result is that I think Open Source software in general has poorer documentation (this is changing slowly but lets be honest, most people would rather code then document), and more disorginazation/decentralization is tolerated (especially in the beginnings of projects).
Like all rules there seem to be a number of acceptions. I think you're right, but the quote signifies the change in culture that needs to take place for Linux to go mainstream. Up until now its mostly been for the 'fun of the developer', now we have to focus as much on the 'fun of the user' who may not necessarily be a developer, or a geek, or even a Power User.
Interesting. Thanks.
By the way, by way of coincidence the following quote appeared at the bottom of the page:
"The most important design issue... is the fact that Linux is supposed to be fun... --
Linus Torvalds at the First Dutch International Symposium on Linux"
I'm not sure I'd agree about a MS forcing everyone to use MFC producing a 'better' library, but it certainly helps produce more of them (both better and worse). After all, by that logic we should all just use WinXX since that has one standard API and all these apps already. Personally I'm looking forward to the day when I can use my Win95 CD as a coaster next to my AOL CD (unfortunately I still need Windows for work).
Incidentally, isn't there the OWL framework that Borland was pushing as an alternative to MFC? Wether people used it or not, it was still there and it was still an alternative, and one that some people used.
There is more then enough room for both KDE and Gnome... provided we develop some standards so that applications written for either can be run by either, and run mostly (not neccessarily 'entirely' although that would be nice) the same.
I think they do that already, and the penalty of loading an extra set of libraries is not that much nowadays. Diversity is a good thing, and one that is most likely not going to disapear soon, since even if one side grabs the developers (and in my opinion, people usually go where the most apps they can use is... all else being equal), the other is doing it because they want to.
This seemed to be missing from the article:
http://www.mozillazine.org/art icles/article1524.html
Interesting Idea.
Instead of a sickout, how about a united schedualed server outage (those running Windows need not schdual it).
Sysadmins across the world can pick a particular day and we bring down as many DNS servers as we can in protest to this sort of action.
Might actually get people to notice the issue at least, since if enough people get involved then at the very least it should slow down the internet.
Next thing we have to do is figure out a way to have an e-picket(tm pending).
"This is certainly a serious one," said Steve Lipner, manager of the Security Response Center at Microsoft. Lipner said the stand-alone Outlook patch might not be ready until Wednesday, but concerned Outlook users can protect themselves immediately by downloading and installing the newest version of Internet Explorer at Microsoft's download site. That software includes code that will stop the vulnerability.
So the way to stop the virus is to load IE5.5? Why? Did they already know about the virus for a while and do nothing to tell anyone else (ie. release a patch for the existing users while developing the future release)? Sound like a malicious plan to force users to upgrade to a new version, as long as the bug wasn't uncovered too soon.
One of the reasons I like reading the Wall Street Journal. Everyone has a bias, at least wit them I know its money.
Not to sound like a troll but I wonder if this wouldn't help bring KDE to the table (not that I believe at all they would need to be brought) with Gnome to discuss common component access.
Of course if SO is OpenSourced then the KOffice developers might just take the pieces they think they need and leave it at that. (They've done a truly remarkable job BTW to anyone who hasn't checked it out).
Either way (or should I say 'Anyway' to include 'Nothing happens' as a choice), everyone wins.
What?...
"Bonoboized"?...
Never mind.
An 8 way Athlon box running (insert your favorite distro)Linux?
(at least on the low end)
familiarity and compliance with standards than what some stupid startup
any case
Okay, I'll bite and agree that a fair amount of people look to things like features and familiarity when buying an app. I disagree with the "...compliance with standards" bit though. Windows is lots of things, and complient with SOME standards, but mostly its compliant with itself. Linux is also mostly compliant with standards and if the Linux Standards Group ever actually makes any decisions you can bet I'll only support Distro's that impliment them, but there is a lack of standards to be complient with in that arena (although on an aplication front at least Linux is leaps and bounds ahead of Windows in being standards compliant with everything but MS-Office... a current de-facto standard).
I wish people would cared more about word of mouth than reviews. Some do, the rest keep the Ziff-Davis publishing houses churning out more dead trees in a week then could possibly be useful to any one person.
We can only hope
I'm not sure Sun, or HP are dying.
Most companies still want Solaris (and quite a few run HP-UX).
In the long run if Linux continues the way it has it might make stronger inroads there, but for now, Big Buisness trusts Sun and HP more then they trust Linux.
However... if Linux can catch up and prove itself (to big buisness... the rest of us already believe in it)....
Linux... the Unix Defragmentor
It might help if the 'underated' option worked
Interesting, but how do we (the Linux community) avoid doing the same thing?
Until now there have been few apps, now we are starting to see the floodgate open (first the Database Servers, then the Desktops, games and office suites, etc.). As more and more commercial apps are being produced for Linux, how do we not fall into the rut Microsquish did?
I figure its an in dash GPS mounted next to their MP3 player, both running Linux, of course.
;)
Mind you I'm not sure how they ever evolved that way, but hey, nature is weird.
True. Forgot about that one myself.
Not to get off topic, (well...) but on the off topic, 'topic' of 'ways to exert preasure', I seem to recall Henry Ford discriminating against minorities and the major motion picture houses (then mostly owner/run by Jews) told him to change his policy or else every week in the News Reel, they would make sure to find footage of a Ford car getting into an accident. After a few weeks he recanted and complied.
What I want to know is that the odds are in Vegas that Pamela will catch up and win the race.
True... but the other side of it was that it was a competitor.
Edison owned most of the patents for DC current
while Westinghouse (mostly due to and because of Tesla) owned most of the patents for AC current.
I believe that in an effort to sway the public, Edison even went as far as making sure the first electric chair was AC so people would associate AC current with death.
I agree with your comment, but to play devils advocate for a minute, you could also have a film that was released for the internet, and, after turning out to be wildly successfull, they decide to have a Theater run of it. This could (at least theoretically) be more of what they were targeting (similar to the way you don't see movies that show on T.V. being eligable for Emmy awards).
I admit that a limited pre-screening for testing purposes would make sense to do over the net, but if it is only 'distributed' to select individuals then how is that different then a private screening or the director passing around a video tape? What the indis might do to get around this is have a process similar to a 'closed beta' in the software buisness. Take names, select people, hold a screening for them (behind some sort of password protection). Then at least you can argue that the movie wasn't released yet, so it being displayed over the internet shouldn't count against it (and additionally you can verify at least one e-mail address to get info from after the screening, since they have to have one to receive the access name/password). It was merely used as the distribution mechanism to a registered test screening audiance. Otherwise FOX's latest release Titan A.E. would already be disqualified, since it was distributed over the internet to a pre-screening in Vegas (to much heralding of a new era).
Speaking as an ethical vegitarian since birth (27 years and counting) I'm in favor of the gathering (although unless they have something I can eat I might not attend) :)
The fact is that people have to make choices, and advocacy is advocacy. Much like the Linux kind, the way to win people over is not to turn 'Fundamentalist' and ultimately its a choice that may not be right for everyone to make. (As another Vegitarian friend described herself, "I'm a non-prosilatizing Vegetarian").
I can totally understand the feelings behind the BBQ thought, and think it strikes a nice balance between outlandish and reasonable (and funny).
Some people will always eat meat.
PETA has acted poorly.
Their reaction is to draw media attention to PETA's poor action.
This would do it.
Of course the ultimate Irony (with a capital 'I'), is if they had the cookout BBQ and included a vegetarian alternative.
This is hardly surprising, after all, most different mediums each have their own awards.
Movies have the Oscars.
Television has the Emmys.
I think what we need to do is get started on putting together the Awards for internet released film. Since 'Webbies' is already taken, I propose that we honor the creator of the internet and name the Gores (as in, "Have you heard that 'Shining Blue Diode' run Best Picture at the Gores?"). I figure this could also double as a jab at the Oscar's once net movies take off (as is "Hey, did you see the way 'Shining Blue Diode' Gored the box office ticket sales this weekend?").
Just a thought