It doesn't scale. An operation like FedEx processes close to 10 million packages a day and can organize their offload/sort/onload schedule around very tight windows. For Night Sort, at least, the vast majority of the cargo arrives within a couple hours, is processed by a small army of handlers, sorters, equipment operators and turned around between the hours of 10PM and 3AM. Airlines don't operate completely within a 5 hour timeframe, but are generally more continously operated between a 12 or 18 hour window, depending upon the site. Not only that, but they have a fraction of the cargo (luggage) that FedEx deals with and so can't spread the cost effectively out over millions of packages the way FedEx does. And even then, try schlepping your 90 Pound overloaded Samsonite down to FedEx and see what it'll cost you to ship it overnight to your location. Plenty of people still do it, btw, but it's not a cheap option (You get what you pay for). From the few job listings I saw for a few regional airlines, it seemed that the guy loading and unloading airplanes also was doing the weight & balance of the airplane, not to mention CLEANING the plane between flights. Airlines are pretty cut throat and the consumers are overwhelmingly walking with their dollars. Oh wait, no they're not.:/
*Disclaimer, I worked at the Memphis Hub for over a decade.
I had no idea I would take to ebooks so vociferously. I checked my Amazon account recently and was astounded that I have over 200 titles in there that I've picked up (some free, many at the.99-1.99 range) over the years. I still buy dead trees (mostly programming references.. I have yet to embrace electronic documentation in full), but I did notice that Manning (?.. the... In Action books) seems to include an ebook code in all of their print books.
Your student projects = your reel. We've got quite a few industry pros in the classes for shits and giggles (and I've got got plenty in my circle of peers.. this is hollywood...) and they've all said basically the same thing: an editing suite is an editing suite. Similar to programming languages, once you've learned one the concepts are the same across the board. Implementation may be slightly different or the feature set might be more robust between them, but unless you're a freelancer who is required to use the production stack of the company you're working for, it's the content that matters. Remember, though, I'm coming from this from the filmmaker aspect, not the technician. If the goal is to work in a production house editing other people's work, then becoming proficient with their tools would be paramount to increasing your chances for employment, just like if you're applying for developer positions, knowing or being very proficient in the stack they're advertising for would be helpful.
Exactly. $20/month, I'm in. $40/month? No thanks, unless I magically get a job doing this for a living.
Honestly, if I could give aspiring filmmakers some advice:
It doesn't matter what you cut on, it's the film that matters. No one watches your movie and says "Man, I bet this was cut on an AVID system!" Workflow is a trivia question at best, and based on the quality of films I had in class, the Editor used was the last thing that mattered. Some of our best films were cut on iMovie and MovieMaker. I used both Vegas and Premiere. Same thing with the camera: the guy that shot on a borrowed $7k camera? It looked pretty good, but I wish he learned how to write a better story. The best film of the semester was shot on an iPad (imo, of course. it actually placed 2nd behind a film shot on a t3i). You can learn to shoot a film using your web cam if you're smart about it. Sound, on the other hand...
My school is cheap ($125 per class), but I understand where you're coming from. I thought "hey, cheap class!' and got into film school, but I've spent well over that in camera, lenses, tripods, memory cards, batteries, software, laptop, etc etc. Now, like I mentioned in another response, my school actually has cameras and a lab where I could have done all my editing and filming on for "free", but then I'd have to schedule equipment check out, take time off from work to go edit in their labs that are only open between X hours, etc. I can see where the software companies would have issues with "control", i.e., how would they enforce that you only used their software during the semester and not between semesters? What if you drop the class? Not saying it couldn't be done, but there it is.
Also, you're forgetting, that even if I purchased the $250-300 academic package, I'm only getting a subset of the Adobe Suite. For $240/year, I get Photoshop (which I actually did end up using a couple times), Illustrator, blah blah. That might not be worth it to you, but I'm okay with that. To each his own.
More seriously, you're actually right, but for a "poor college student", I can scrape up $20/month vs paying the $250-300 (just looked at ebay, more like $500?) for the academic retail package up front. Truth be told, I could do all of what I did this semester with Sony Vegas HD, or probably through Cinelerra if I went the Linux route (I don't have a mac at the moment). The school uses iMovie HD and frankly, they don't really care what we edit on: they just want the students to learn how to shoot and cut a movie, software be damned. Some of use used the Adobe suite (well, I did), some of us used Final Cut, others used various free options. When it comes right down to it, it was really "because I can" and I wanted to see what the fuss of a cloud based option was about. $20/month is cheap enough for me, but once it goes up to $40 I'll most likely drop it. If I were depending upon Adobe for my livelihood, $40/month is *nothing*. I'm not doing this for a living (yet?), but I don't mind using the pro-level software for cheap.
From a student standpoint, I'm okay with Creative Cloud. $19/month and I get the latest version of whatever software I'm using, even if they do a number jump. Granted, I'm not using Photoshop, but Premiere, After Effects, Audition, and SpeedGrade, primarily. Buying the academic pack would be around $250-300. I'll be using this software for the next year or so, and I get free upgrades that would normally cost another $250-300 for the Academic versions (at least, that's how I remember: Academic licensing was cheap, but not upgradable). That's good, in my book.
However, I can also say that I'm looking heavily into replacing my entire production stack with Open Source video editing options to prove to myself that it can be done. I may have to give up a few niceties (the interaction between AE-PR-AU is very nice), but that's okay. I'm not shooting the next EPIC, I'm shooting short films and learning as I go.
Except the TSA is now opening up stations in train stations, the subway, and even Highway stops. (google them). So what's left? Sit in your hole and never leave your house without your papers. Why are you traveling to Seattle? Who are you visiting? Where can we contact you? I don't understand, please repeat all of your answers, and write them down. Comrade, come talk to this man. Why are you traveling to Bellevue? I thought you said Seattle? Who are you visiting? You listed 4 people before, now there are 3. Prove that I made that change. Let's take you over here and talk to you some more.
Also, while I won't share who I voted for (immaterial, and really, what's the point of a secret ballot if you tell everyone who you voted for?), I will say that when Obama was elected, I went along with it. People said "oh, he's going to bring Chicago rough-and-tumble bullying politics into the Presidency!" and I was thinking "Good!" Maybe Chicago style politics would have gotten us out of Iraq and Afghanistan sooner. Maybe Chicago-style politics would have closed Guantanomo, or repealed the Patriot Act. I'd love to see some of these career politicians dragged out by their proverbial short-and-curlies in front of everyone and dressed down for their selling-out-of-america. But no, we got just another Washington style politician, bought and paid for by moneyed interests.
However, the problem I have with a lot of Obama critics is not that the content of their criticism is actually wrong, but rather feels disingenuous. Had Mitt won the presidency, I feel like a lot of these guys bitching about Obama would be standing right in line behind Mitt, who I believe would be doing basically the exact same thing as Obama*, charging that anyone who dared criticize that "great patriot Mitt Romney" was a terrorist-sympathizing traitor who should be rounded up and executed. I don't see Mitt having a fundamentally different stance on NSA wiretapping, the Patriot Act, or drone strikes (and I bet Benghazi would still have happened under his watch, too).
For those of you (us) who have managed to remain consistent with our criticisms of both parties, bravo.
What scares me more is that even if all that came out into the open, there's a better than good chance that the American public will ignore it and just keep on keeping on. The actions of some of our leaders and (corporate and political) have become so brazen, that in any other country or maybe even any other era of American history, heads would be rolling (and in France, literally). Instead, the public has been giving the "meh" heard round the world.:(
I can't wait until I can just get in my car and say "Home" and have it take care of the driving while I take a nap, read/. or whatever.
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Stormix was one of the few boxed Linux sets I bothered to purchase, simply to help support the company and its efforts. I never used it (redhat & beos user at the time), but I liked where it was headed and definitely appreciated Knoppix when it came out. For similar reasons I picked up OpenBSD and FreeBSD CDs from walnut creek? because it's good to have options and it was an easy way for me to help "support" stuff like this.
Linux Mint is my distro of choice at the moment. Long live debian!
How sovereign is their, um, sovereignity? For example, if they wanted to build a datahaven, immune to US wiretapping laws, etc (granted, it doesn't stop the NSA from snooping on the ins and outs), how long before the national guard gets called out and they get blasted back to iraq levels?
Yeah, my mom subscribed me to it back in the 80s. Used to love that magazine.
Now, I wish they'd reboot a Mondo2000-esque magazine, focusing on issues in tech, like privacy, data sharing, etc. With lots of weirdos in colorful Kai's Power Tools backgrounds.
Slashdot Mirror
I'd read TMZ.
Man, I can't wait until the /. submitters discover Theo de Raadt.
It doesn't scale. An operation like FedEx processes close to 10 million packages a day and can organize their offload/sort/onload schedule around very tight windows. For Night Sort, at least, the vast majority of the cargo arrives within a couple hours, is processed by a small army of handlers, sorters, equipment operators and turned around between the hours of 10PM and 3AM. Airlines don't operate completely within a 5 hour timeframe, but are generally more continously operated between a 12 or 18 hour window, depending upon the site. Not only that, but they have a fraction of the cargo (luggage) that FedEx deals with and so can't spread the cost effectively out over millions of packages the way FedEx does. And even then, try schlepping your 90 Pound overloaded Samsonite down to FedEx and see what it'll cost you to ship it overnight to your location. Plenty of people still do it, btw, but it's not a cheap option (You get what you pay for). From the few job listings I saw for a few regional airlines, it seemed that the guy loading and unloading airplanes also was doing the weight & balance of the airplane, not to mention CLEANING the plane between flights. Airlines are pretty cut throat and the consumers are overwhelmingly walking with their dollars. Oh wait, no they're not. :/
*Disclaimer, I worked at the Memphis Hub for over a decade.
I had no idea I would take to ebooks so vociferously. I checked my Amazon account recently and was astounded that I have over 200 titles in there that I've picked up (some free, many at the .99-1.99 range) over the years. I still buy dead trees (mostly programming references.. I have yet to embrace electronic documentation in full), but I did notice that Manning (?.. the ... In Action books) seems to include an ebook code in all of their print books.
Your student projects = your reel. We've got quite a few industry pros in the classes for shits and giggles (and I've got got plenty in my circle of peers.. this is hollywood...) and they've all said basically the same thing: an editing suite is an editing suite. Similar to programming languages, once you've learned one the concepts are the same across the board. Implementation may be slightly different or the feature set might be more robust between them, but unless you're a freelancer who is required to use the production stack of the company you're working for, it's the content that matters. Remember, though, I'm coming from this from the filmmaker aspect, not the technician. If the goal is to work in a production house editing other people's work, then becoming proficient with their tools would be paramount to increasing your chances for employment, just like if you're applying for developer positions, knowing or being very proficient in the stack they're advertising for would be helpful.
Exactly. $20/month, I'm in. $40/month? No thanks, unless I magically get a job doing this for a living.
Honestly, if I could give aspiring filmmakers some advice:
It doesn't matter what you cut on, it's the film that matters. No one watches your movie and says "Man, I bet this was cut on an AVID system!" Workflow is a trivia question at best, and based on the quality of films I had in class, the Editor used was the last thing that mattered. Some of our best films were cut on iMovie and MovieMaker. I used both Vegas and Premiere. Same thing with the camera: the guy that shot on a borrowed $7k camera? It looked pretty good, but I wish he learned how to write a better story. The best film of the semester was shot on an iPad (imo, of course. it actually placed 2nd behind a film shot on a t3i). You can learn to shoot a film using your web cam if you're smart about it. Sound, on the other hand...
My school is cheap ($125 per class), but I understand where you're coming from. I thought "hey, cheap class!' and got into film school, but I've spent well over that in camera, lenses, tripods, memory cards, batteries, software, laptop, etc etc. Now, like I mentioned in another response, my school actually has cameras and a lab where I could have done all my editing and filming on for "free", but then I'd have to schedule equipment check out, take time off from work to go edit in their labs that are only open between X hours, etc. I can see where the software companies would have issues with "control", i.e., how would they enforce that you only used their software during the semester and not between semesters? What if you drop the class? Not saying it couldn't be done, but there it is.
Also, you're forgetting, that even if I purchased the $250-300 academic package, I'm only getting a subset of the Adobe Suite. For $240/year, I get Photoshop (which I actually did end up using a couple times), Illustrator, blah blah. That might not be worth it to you, but I'm okay with that. To each his own.
More seriously, you're actually right, but for a "poor college student", I can scrape up $20/month vs paying the $250-300 (just looked at ebay, more like $500?) for the academic retail package up front. Truth be told, I could do all of what I did this semester with Sony Vegas HD, or probably through Cinelerra if I went the Linux route (I don't have a mac at the moment). The school uses iMovie HD and frankly, they don't really care what we edit on: they just want the students to learn how to shoot and cut a movie, software be damned. Some of use used the Adobe suite (well, I did), some of us used Final Cut, others used various free options. When it comes right down to it, it was really "because I can" and I wanted to see what the fuss of a cloud based option was about. $20/month is cheap enough for me, but once it goes up to $40 I'll most likely drop it. If I were depending upon Adobe for my livelihood, $40/month is *nothing*. I'm not doing this for a living (yet?), but I don't mind using the pro-level software for cheap.
Because I care. And that's all that really matters, right?
From a student standpoint, I'm okay with Creative Cloud. $19/month and I get the latest version of whatever software I'm using, even if they do a number jump. Granted, I'm not using Photoshop, but Premiere, After Effects, Audition, and SpeedGrade, primarily. Buying the academic pack would be around $250-300. I'll be using this software for the next year or so, and I get free upgrades that would normally cost another $250-300 for the Academic versions (at least, that's how I remember: Academic licensing was cheap, but not upgradable). That's good, in my book.
However, I can also say that I'm looking heavily into replacing my entire production stack with Open Source video editing options to prove to myself that it can be done. I may have to give up a few niceties (the interaction between AE-PR-AU is very nice), but that's okay. I'm not shooting the next EPIC, I'm shooting short films and learning as I go.
Except the TSA is now opening up stations in train stations, the subway, and even Highway stops. (google them). So what's left? Sit in your hole and never leave your house without your papers. Why are you traveling to Seattle? Who are you visiting? Where can we contact you? I don't understand, please repeat all of your answers, and write them down. Comrade, come talk to this man. Why are you traveling to Bellevue? I thought you said Seattle? Who are you visiting? You listed 4 people before, now there are 3. Prove that I made that change. Let's take you over here and talk to you some more.
Well, that's one way to solve the H1B issue....
Sounds like an excellent way to launder money, as well. Virtual goods with no real inventory....
They can be the size of a tick, if that gives you any reference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG9i0823QkY
... Sigh.. the better joke: TL;DR
I was reading your comment and then OOOOH SHINY!
The fuck you say. Go fuck YOURSELF you cretinous moron, and read the full fucking post before you spew your mental diarrhea all over the internet.
Also, while I won't share who I voted for (immaterial, and really, what's the point of a secret ballot if you tell everyone who you voted for?), I will say that when Obama was elected, I went along with it. People said "oh, he's going to bring Chicago rough-and-tumble bullying politics into the Presidency!" and I was thinking "Good!" Maybe Chicago style politics would have gotten us out of Iraq and Afghanistan sooner. Maybe Chicago-style politics would have closed Guantanomo, or repealed the Patriot Act. I'd love to see some of these career politicians dragged out by their proverbial short-and-curlies in front of everyone and dressed down for their selling-out-of-america. But no, we got just another Washington style politician, bought and paid for by moneyed interests.
Agreed.
However, the problem I have with a lot of Obama critics is not that the content of their criticism is actually wrong, but rather feels disingenuous. Had Mitt won the presidency, I feel like a lot of these guys bitching about Obama would be standing right in line behind Mitt, who I believe would be doing basically the exact same thing as Obama*, charging that anyone who dared criticize that "great patriot Mitt Romney" was a terrorist-sympathizing traitor who should be rounded up and executed. I don't see Mitt having a fundamentally different stance on NSA wiretapping, the Patriot Act, or drone strikes (and I bet Benghazi would still have happened under his watch, too).
For those of you (us) who have managed to remain consistent with our criticisms of both parties, bravo.
What scares me more is that even if all that came out into the open, there's a better than good chance that the American public will ignore it and just keep on keeping on. The actions of some of our leaders and (corporate and political) have become so brazen, that in any other country or maybe even any other era of American history, heads would be rolling (and in France, literally). Instead, the public has been giving the "meh" heard round the world. :(
Let us know how it goes.
+fucking+
I can't wait until I can just get in my car and say "Home" and have it take care of the driving while I take a nap, read /. or whatever.
Stormix was one of the few boxed Linux sets I bothered to purchase, simply to help support the company and its efforts. I never used it (redhat & beos user at the time), but I liked where it was headed and definitely appreciated Knoppix when it came out. For similar reasons I picked up OpenBSD and FreeBSD CDs from walnut creek? because it's good to have options and it was an easy way for me to help "support" stuff like this.
Linux Mint is my distro of choice at the moment. Long live debian!
(and one day, I will have a slack machine)
How sovereign is their, um, sovereignity? For example, if they wanted to build a datahaven, immune to US wiretapping laws, etc (granted, it doesn't stop the NSA from snooping on the ins and outs), how long before the national guard gets called out and they get blasted back to iraq levels?
Nooooootropic drugs! SMART BARS! CYBERSEX!
lolol.. i miss those days, though.
Yeah, my mom subscribed me to it back in the 80s. Used to love that magazine.
Now, I wish they'd reboot a Mondo2000-esque magazine, focusing on issues in tech, like privacy, data sharing, etc. With lots of weirdos in colorful Kai's Power Tools backgrounds.