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Datacenter Gives Internet To 70 Percent of Navajo Nation

Nerval's Lobster writes "The Navajo Nation cut the ribbon August 13 on an $8 million data center that has been under debate and development since 2000, when then-President Bill Clinton expressed shock that a 13-year-old Navajo girl who just won a new laptop couldn't connect to the Internet. At the time that girl won the laptop in a school contest, the Navajo Nation--a 27,425 square-mile region that covers portions of Arizona, Utah and New Mexico--had barely any IT infrastructure. The incident helped drive debate among leaders of the Navajo Nation, many of whom said they believed adding telecommunications and computing facilities were secondary to other concerns for the chronically poverty stricken region. The 50,000-square-foot facility in Albuquerque, New Mexico includes 25,000-sq.-ft. of datacenter and an equal space for computer training and business incubation, according to Nova Corp., an IT services company owned by Navajo Nation and formed in 2004 to execute an IT plan to create the "Digital Navajo Nation" (PDF). The drive to get it built also helped push development of a $46 million broadband project designed to cover about half of Navajo territory with 550 miles of fiber, 32 new cell towers and upgrades to another 27. It will eventually connect more than 30,000 households and 1,000 businesses."

162 comments

  1. Rural internet at its best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Soon the Navajo will have better internet than the rest of the West!

    1. Re:Rural internet at its best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Monument Valley will now have sell towers along with the sandstone pillars.

      Progress.

    2. Re:Rural internet at its best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Soon the Navajo will have better internet than the rest of the West!

      Given what's out there on the internet, that ain't exactly a hard thing to do.

      What good is served by spending all kinds of money to get "rural broadband"?

      Seriously. What real societal good does broadband internet access bring? It's not anything like electricity, which has a direct impact on sanitation and health.

    3. Re:Rural internet at its best by xevioso · · Score: 0

      The article title is poorly worded. A datacenter did not give the internet to 70% of the Navajo Nation.

      The correct title is, "Datacenter connects 70% of Navajo Nation to internet".

      I'm pretty certain all the other nations on the internet would have an issue with transferring control of the internet to a tiny native american nation in the U.S. southwest. Although maybe they could manage it better? I dunno.

    4. Re:Rural internet at its best by mcl630 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It has a direct impact on education. And try to get a decent job in today's world without knowing at least basic Internet use.

    5. Re:Rural internet at its best by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      So..you're telling me they ran their casinos all these years without proper network and computer infrastructure???

      How...?

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    6. Re:Rural internet at its best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention the plethora of wrecked computers to decorate their lawns alongside the car and truck carcasses!

    7. Re:Rural internet at its best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Unlimited access to worldwide knowledge and communication is will make a huge impact on education, employment potential and quality of life.

    8. Re:Rural internet at its best by natas999 · · Score: 1

      true a lot of the navajo res don't even have runny water

    9. Re:Rural internet at its best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean AOL doesn't really put the internet in my PC?

    10. Re:Rural internet at its best by PPH · · Score: 2

      If they get something worth having, the white people will run them out of there and march them to some useless land. Probably Detroit.

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    11. Re:Rural internet at its best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unlimited access to worldwide pr0n will make a huge impact on ... quality of life or something.

      FTFY?

    12. Re:Rural internet at its best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It has a direct impact on education. And try to get a decent job in today's world without knowing at least basic Internet use.

      How?

      Education worked for thousands of years before the internet existed, and sure doesn't seem to be improving.

    13. Re:Rural internet at its best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unlimited access to worldwide knowledge and communication is will make a huge impact on education, employment potential and quality of life.

      BINGO!

      Nice buzzwords.

      Now provide specifics.

    14. Re:Rural internet at its best by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      The article title is poorly worded. A datacenter did not give the internet to 70% of the Navajo Nation.

      That is just how I read it. My knee-jerk thought was to wonder how they would run my own ISP.

      Made me read TFA anyway.

    15. Re:Rural internet at its best by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

      Or Portland...

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    16. Re:Rural internet at its best by khellendros1984 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If I want to know something, there's a good chance that I can learn it on the internet. It used to be that I had to go to a library to find information, sort through a card catalog for books that sound like they'd fit what I'm looking for, and actually do some serious research. Now? Pull up a search engine, and there's a good chance that I'll have the information I'm looking for in a matter of seconds.

      "Thousands of years" ago, information was restricted by the practicality of reproducing it. That is, someone actually had to write out the scroll. Literacy wasn't common for most of the populace. Some 600 years ago, reproducing books became more practical, with the advent of movable type. It made more sense to have a more-educated populace. The Internet is another iteration on the ease of disseminating information. It makes finding information easier than books did before it. That being said, it's just another tool on the educational toolbelt.

      Basically, you can't compare education millenia ago with education centuries ago. As the Internet leaves its infancy, you won't be able to compare learning and education a few decades from now to education a couple decades ago. The Internet allows so much higher ease of access to so much more information that a sensible comparison is difficult to make.

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    17. Re:Rural internet at its best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People lived for thousands of years before introduction of electricity too, and the vast majority of its use today in homes is for luxury uses. That doesn't mean it doesn't make a difference in the cases where it really matters...

      You could say education works fine with just a local library. But I remember the first time I got access to a university library and realized how much material I was missing out at what I thought was a decent public library. Libraries work, assuming you have a decent one and have the time and your interest is aligned with what the library has. Kids I've worked with in education outreach programs now can go into far more depth on a topic and spend the time that would have been spent on digging for or waiting for a book at the library and put it toward learning more. Maybe 90+% of people don't actually use the internet for anything productive like that, but seems irrelevant.

    18. Re:Rural internet at its best by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 1

      Soon the Navajo will have better internet than the rest of the West!

      Given what's out there on the internet, that ain't exactly a hard thing to do.

      What good is served by spending all kinds of money to get "rural broadband"?

      Seriously. What real societal good does broadband internet access bring? It's not anything like electricity, which has a direct impact on sanitation and health.

      Oh for fuck's sake! Why did one of the first posts have to be the old "technology is useless to impoverished areas" trope? When are you people going to get it into your thick skulls that internet access and technical know-how are actually quite useful enablers of education and upward social mobility, hmm?

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    19. Re:Rural internet at its best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The internet existed.. it was just in paper form you twit.

    20. Re:Rural internet at its best by OhSoLaMeow · · Score: 1

      true a lot of the navajo res don't even have runny water

      Indeed. The government built some nice houses for the Navajos on the reservation and they lived in them for a bit but then moved back out to their hogans (pronounced ho-gones) because that is where they were most comfortable. The left the houses open and sheep/dogs/etc. wandered in and out.

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    21. Re:Rural internet at its best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you are an obvious example of a failure of that education.

    22. Re:Rural internet at its best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      East or west coast?

    23. Re:Rural internet at its best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windtalker Moonsong is bored. She can go listen to the tribal elders talk about their culture, or she can go online and listen to whatever pop bands are popular these days.

      This is just another way to destroy the Native American. At least the smallpox blankets didn't force assimilation.

    24. Re:Rural internet at its best by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      If I want to know something, there's a good chance that I can learn it on the internet. It used to be that I had to go to a library to find information, sort through a card catalog for books that sound like they'd fit what I'm looking for, /quote> ... then find that 40% of them had been stolen, and the rest were woefully out of date. While I revere the concept of libraries, the reality has often been disappointing.

  2. Let's hope.. by djupedal · · Score: 4, Funny

    I was going to say let's hope this gift doesn't come with viruses like those lousy blankets, way back when, but we know it will.

    1. Re:Let's hope.. by radiumsoup · · Score: 2, Insightful

      who's "we", in your statement exactly? The company building the datacenter and infrastructure is owned by the Navajo Nation.

      Go swallow your Liberal Guilt for a while and join the rest of us in reality. We have cake.

    2. Re:Let's hope.. by haruchai · · Score: 1

      Why do you assume he's a liberal? Are there no guilt-ridden conservatives?

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    3. Re:Let's hope.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be an extreme right wingnut. Normal people know what liberal actually means.

    4. Re:Let's hope.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why do you assume he's a liberal? Are there no guilt-ridden conservatives?

      They're the ones attending church every Sunday to wash away the sins of the previous week. ;-)

    5. Re:Let's hope.. by HornWumpus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Most conservatives understand that smallpox lives about 24 hours on a blanket exposed to air.

      The who story is mythology, designed to provoke white guilt.

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    6. Re:Let's hope.. by booyoh · · Score: 3, Funny

      >

      ... We have cake.

      The Cake is a Lie

    7. Re:Let's hope.. by radiumsoup · · Score: 2

      well, that one's easy: Liberal Guilt (as I have labelled it here, in capitals) is derived from other people's collective actions or inactions and not on the actions or inactions of the person feeling guilty... Conservative Guilt, then, would be derived from what the individual feeling guilty does or doesn't do. It's a pretty consistent pattern on both fronts. One can have both, although not usually on the same topic.

    8. Re:Let's hope.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Yes we do and it means scumbag, ignorant, disease, bigot...you name the filth. F-you people who keep picking on anything different or something you don't understand like Church and religion. FU you /. bigoted fukers.

    9. Re:Let's hope.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Most conservatives understand that smallpox lives about 24 hours on a blanket exposed to air.

      Are you expecting us to believe most conservatives are well versed in immunology? Half of them believe in creationism, so I'm not expecting much scientific literacy.
      The who story is mythology, designed to provoke white guilt.

      Bullshit. Google for "Lord Jeffrey Amherst". There are actual historic documents which detailed his intent to do it.

      You're full of shit.

    10. Re:Let's hope.. by NatasRevol · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Are there no guilt-ridden conservatives?

      No. They always believe they're right, facts be damned.

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    11. Re: Let's hope.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The term has been redefined. You know, the whole evolving language thing. Very similar to how the word 'gay' was evolved by a determined minority.

    12. Re:Let's hope.. by HornWumpus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The professor that built his whole carrier on this story and was about to have to eat crow, miraculously found a diary entry to back up his version. He still won't let anybody else examine the diary. He's full of shit.

      So his story now is 'Even if smallpox couldn't live on blankets, they _were_ trying to use blankets to spread it.'

      Even if what he saying is true. White people still didn't use blankets to spread smallpox. It's virologically impossible. Smallpox traveled around the world in infected people, same as the aggressive new world syphilis.

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    13. Re:Let's hope.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you assume he's a liberal? Are there no guilt-ridden conservatives?

      I believe that's what they call one of those oxy-morons!

    14. Re:Let's hope.. by haruchai · · Score: 0

      If you're right, I think the equivalent for Liberal Guilt would be Conservative Denial. In America, that would be the about slavery.
      One person I conversed with ( here on Slashdot?? ) a couple years back even blamed slavery in the US on black people because of a Virginia case where one black man sued for another to be awarded to him as his personal slave in perpetuity.

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    15. Re:Let's hope.. by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Why do you assume he's a liberal? Are there no guilt-ridden conservatives?

      No.

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    16. Re:Let's hope.. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      And are they not hiring third parties to run it for them? Compare to other tribes which have casinos, they often let some sleazy third party gaming company run the thing whereas tribe members just get jobs as waiters at the casino.

    17. Re:Let's hope.. by haruchai · · Score: 1

      Wrong.

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    18. Re:Let's hope.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pssst! Your projection is showing.

    19. Re:Let's hope.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're one of the dumbest bastards on this site. You will never admit you're wrong. You double down on derp constantly and when you get called out, you move your goal posts. Seriously go re-read what you just posted and tell me what you read wasn't a bunch of conspiracy theory. The mysterious diary is probably in the same closet as the magic bullet which is over at Elvis's new place on the Moon (that we never went to).

    20. Re:Let's hope.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too true. Hornwumpus should be replying to you any second now....

    21. Re:Let's hope.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know this is off topic and quite possibly this will upset people, so I'm going AC.

      Slavery as practiced in the United States and most nations was evil. Granted that, I still hold the opinion, however unpopular, that it could be a great benefit to society. Before you can even consider it rationally, you almost have to rename it to separate ethical slavery from evil slavery.

      I'm going to call the ethical version forced servitude because even though the terms can mean the same thing, I don't think you can read the word slavery without thinking of the vile thing that was called by the same word.

      Forced servitude can give someone who has commited a criminal act against society a method of making up for that wrong. Before we can even discuss it though, there need to be some absolute rules:
      1) It can never be inheirited
      2) Humans are never property
      3) There is always a maximum fixed term with a life term reserved only for those who have taken another life

      It can serve not only as a punishment like we do with prisons but also as a potential way to actually work off the debt to society that was incurred. When a criminal in US society commits an act worthy of punishment, almost every significant current punishment is measured in prison where the criminal has no real chance to make up for his crime and no chance to demonstrate a valuable work history. But it doesn't have to be that way.

      If we used forced servitude instead of prison as a method of punishment, it would be better for the criminal because they would be working toward a set goal of freedom based on what they are doing rather than just how long they have been punished. It would necessarily be giving them marketable skills rather than making them virtually unemployable. Society would benefit more from their labor than we do currently and at a more fair exchange rate than criminals are now forced to work for.

      In many ways, the trade value of prison workers and their situation has now paralleled the slavery of history. We have replaced one type of evil with a lesser one, but certainly not with a good system. Forced servitude could change people by putting them in a new part of society where they would be able to form the bonds and habits of valuable contributors to society. A person who works in a community and contributes something back to it has an opportunity to make friends and establish a valuable reputation. Contrast that with our current system of prisons where we take people who have failed to meet their social responsibilies and put them in the company of others with the same failures, then at the end of the term dump them back into the system they failed in to begin with. Worse we give them even fewer appealing options to work their way toward the goal of being productive members of society.

      Liberal guilt is all about taking responsibility for something you did not personally do. Conservative denial is about pretending you are not a beneficiary of a bad system. Neither is rational. What is rational is to look at a bad system, which few can argue our prison system avoids, and suggest how it could be improved.

      Unfortunately there are too many people blinded by hatred, guilt and who benefit from a bad system for me to hold hope that it can be changed. Still, every once in a while, I take a moment to consider the possibilities of what could be different. Our prison problems could be mostly resolved if we'd just quit pretending punishment was more important than restitution. Why is it so evil to wish people who fail to take responsibility for themselves should have to be responsible to someone who has?

      If you've read this far, you've thought already of the many potential problems with forced servitude as a replacement for prisons. There are many and prisons are potentially the only way to deal with some issues. Slavery by any name has significant dangers that would have to be addressed that I haven't. Even the ones I've touched on would need to be addressed in more detail than I have in an already

    22. Re:Let's hope.. by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Psst! This is /., facts be damned, we're right!

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    23. Re:Let's hope.. by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      I consider myself more middle of the road than conservative...exactly what do I have to feel guilty about?

      Certainly nothing that happened in the past that I wasn't directly involved with....

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    24. Re:Let's hope.. by haruchai · · Score: 1

      If you're moderate, how would you know if there are no guilt-ridden conservatives? And the question wasn't "are YOU a guilt-ridden conservatives?" but "are there ANY guilt-ridden conservatives?".

      Of course, it was a rhetorical question, of which I'm sure you were aware unless you're not very perceptive.

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  3. also goal of 2009 stimulus program by peter303 · · Score: 2

    To bring broadband to every high school in the country, especially rural ones. Sort of like the 1930s rural electrification initiative. Neighboring communities and business could jpiggy back on the school broadband. I do not know how well this succeeded in the past four years.

    1. Re:also goal of 2009 stimulus program by 0racle · · Score: 1

      Probably about as well as every other telecom bill since 1996 designed to basically do the same thing.

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    2. Re:also goal of 2009 stimulus program by realmolo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly.

      The problem is that like every other program like this, is that there is no real penalty for NOT doing what you were granted money to do. So you have all kinds of fly-by-night companies appying for and receiving grants, but they don't do anything except do studies and pay themselves. Nothing ever gets built, because it's quicker to take the money and run.

      Rural broadband will only happen when the federal government does it THEMSELVES. Trying to get the "free market" to do things like this is impossible.

    3. Re:also goal of 2009 stimulus program by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nova corp isn't some fly-by-night company though; I've actually consulted with them (they were looking to upgrade the nation's slot machines from old mechanical ones to new digital card-based models, and open some new casinos). That said, they're run by Navaho nobility, with all the kickbacks, inaction and nepotism such political ties entail. They did get things done, however, which is more than I can say for the US government's attempts in the area.

    4. Re:also goal of 2009 stimulus program by Trepidity · · Score: 1

      Generally tribal land is administered separately, due to its quasi-autonomous status, so they wouldn't be covered under the "regular" rural-broadband programs. However the federal government could choose to give them equivalent subsidies via the Bureau of Indian Affairs to manage themselves, which seems like what's happening here.

    5. Re:also goal of 2009 stimulus program by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly.

      The problem is that like every other program like this, is that there is no real penalty for NOT doing what you were granted money to do. So you have all kinds of fly-by-night companies appying for and receiving grants, but they don't do anything except do studies and pay themselves. Nothing ever gets built, because it's quicker to take the money and run.

      Rural broadband will only happen when the federal government does it THEMSELVES. Trying to get the "free market" to do things like this is impossible.

      Woo hoo. The Navajo Nation now has access to Facebook, YouTube, and Netflix. Woo hoo.

      Please tell me what actual good "rural broadband" will do. It's not a cost-effective way to get educational material to the 3 kids who'd use it.

      More and better porn?

    6. Re:also goal of 2009 stimulus program by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Woo hoo. The Navajo Nation now has access to Facebook, YouTube, and Netflix. Woo hoo.

      Please tell me what actual good "rural broadband" will do. It's not a cost-effective way to get educational material to the 3 kids who'd use it.

      Maybe the Navajo Nation will decide to utilize the data centre and broadband connectivity to promote the history of their people thereby educating their own children as well as anyone else with a connection to the World Wide Web. And the inclusion of a business incubator as part of the data centre facility can be leveraged to increase employment opportunities for their people. The nepotism and political / ruling family corruption poses serious problems but then the white man has dealt with the same problem without much success so we should encourage the Navajo to set a positive example in homage to their ancestors. Maybe that angle will succeed where all else has failed.

    7. Re:also goal of 2009 stimulus program by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, nothing says that the Tribe is working to eliminate poverty quite so much as their drive to upgrade from old mechanical slot machines to spiffy new digital slot machines. Oh, and opening more casinos in an effort to suck even more money from their non-tribal neighbors.

      Plus, I can't help but wonder why their new IT facility is located in Albquirky which is roughly 100 miles from any part of the reservation.

      And on the subject of what the US government attempts to do for tribe members, you need only look at the annual budgets of the BIA and IHS. Do you get free healthcare from the US government? Does the US government fund your local court system, law enforcement, child welfare, disaster relief, and road building, while also letting you declare yourself a member of a sovereign nation? Does the US government free you from restrictive state and local laws governing things such as casino placement in areas where non-tribal citizens are prohibited from doing so?

      Didn't think so.

    8. Re:also goal of 2009 stimulus program by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Coursera, canvas, EdX, HarvardX, BerkeleyX, Lumen, MITX, MyCoreCourse,RiceX, SAP, Otis, Padagogische, Saylor, OSU, Taylor, TsinghuaX, EVERY FUCKING STATE SCHOOL, XYZ, and that's just from googling MOOC. Fuck off with your ignorance and idiocy.

    9. Re:also goal of 2009 stimulus program by drkim · · Score: 1

      Do you get free healthcare from the US government? Does the US government fund your local court system, law enforcement, child welfare, disaster relief, and road building, while also letting you declare yourself a member of a sovereign nation? Does the US government free you from restrictive state and local laws governing things such as casino placement in areas where non-tribal citizens are prohibited from doing so?

      Did the US government steal 3.79 million square miles of my land and systematically kill multiple generations of my family?

      ...ah, no.

    10. Re:also goal of 2009 stimulus program by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The US government did not steal 3.79 million square miles of YOUR land and did not systematically kill multiple generations of YOUR family. That process was initiated by the Spanish and had been well underway for over 200 years before there was a US government. And by the French for 100 years before there was a US government. And the English were no slouches, either.

      The displacement of the few-millenia-in-place residents of North America started long before there was a US or a government or even any Europeans on the continent. And that process was done exactly the same as was the displacement of whoever may have lived here before by those who arrived 8,000 years ago. And as those people were replaced by those who arrived 4,000 years ago. And as those were replaced by those who arrived 2,000 years ago, etc. But the process did not start 1,000,000 years ago or even 100,000 year ago. Point being that there are exactly zero human populations native to North America and each wave of new comers displaced those who had been here for a while and had come to believe that they owned the place because their folklore said so.

      If my ancestors made it tough for your ancestors, too bad. I assure you that your ancestors were not kind and gentle to the people who's lands they were taking, either.

      It is also worthwhile to have some knowledge of the relationships between the various historical Tribes and how they treated each other. Consider how the Hopi and the Navajo get along. Consider how the Sioux, Pawnee and Cheyenne get along. They were all happily killing each other as best they could long before Europeans were around.

         

    11. Re:also goal of 2009 stimulus program by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many Cherokee had adopted the concept of property rights, and still Georgians trespassed onto Cherokee land to steal gold.

  4. Title parse error by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While the title isn't really misleading, I had to read it three times to realize this wasn't some grand upheaval of those "give the internet controls to the UN" debates that show up now and then.

    On the other hand, I wonder what the internet would be like if all the control agencies were run by Navajo.

    1. Re:Title parse error by aitikin · · Score: 1

      I would mod you up if I had the option. This happened to me too.

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  5. In unrelated news by TWiTfan · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Every liquor store in the region just set up a website.

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    1. Re:In unrelated news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every liquor store in the region just set up a website.

      Wow, your mom called, and she said you're grounded and need to go upstairs to have your mouth washed out with soap. You also can't play with your toy light-saber.

      Stereotype much, asshole?

    2. Re:In unrelated news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stereotype much, asshole?

      Ever been on a reservation, there Billy Jack?

    3. Re:In unrelated news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Stereotype much, asshole?

      Being a stereotype does not inherently make something false.

    4. Re: In unrelated news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey homophobe? Did you know that historically, "asshole" is an anti-gay pejorative?

    5. Re:In unrelated news by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

      The AC comment was definitely uncalled for and in poor taste.
      However, I have a close relative who was a drug/alcohol counselor on a Native American reservation(not the Navajo) for several years back in the 80's. Unfortunately, alcohol has devastated many lives on the reservation. It is still a big problem.

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    6. Re:In unrelated news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go to any reserve and send us photo's proving us wrong... FYI, In Northern Canada they lock down the gas stations to try to prevent the sniffers from getting access.

  6. hmmm.. casino investment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    How about they put that casino loophole to good use and pay for their own goddamned infractructure.

    And no, before anybody starts, they weren't 'always here'.

    1. Re:hmmm.. casino investment? by haruchai · · Score: 1

      Well you started it AC. So let's see, their ancestors crossed the Bering Strait 20,000 years ago. Where were your ancestors back then?

      I guess you have made a very strong case for Africa for Africans since THOSE were "always there".

      But no-one else has a historic claim to their lands, right?

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    2. Re:hmmm.. casino investment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So let's see, their ancestors crossed the Bering Strait 20,000 years ago. Where were your ancestors back then?

      I don't know where they were back then. But 19,000 years later they were inventing gunpowder and ships.

    3. Re:hmmm.. casino investment? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      Well you started it AC. So let's see, their ancestors crossed the Bering Strait 20,000 years ago. Where were your ancestors back then?

      I guess you have made a very strong case for Africa for Africans since THOSE were "always there".

      But no-one else has a historic claim to their lands, right?

      I've seen plenty of "American Holocaust" deniers in my time, but this AC is the first, I believe, to try and justify their ancestors actions by bringing up literal ancient history.

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    4. Re:hmmm.. casino investment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No but we were sure as hell here before your outcast, religious nut, convict ancestors.

    5. Re:hmmm.. casino investment? by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      How about they put that casino loophole to good use and pay for their own goddamned infractructure.

      And no, before anybody starts, they weren't 'always here'.

      Casino investment is what Nova's been using prior funds for. I see this datacentre as a positive change.

    6. Re:hmmm.. casino investment? by PPH · · Score: 1

      Right. Find someone with something of value and take it.

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    7. Re:hmmm.. casino investment? by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      And no, before anybody starts, they weren't 'always here'.

      The only thing worse than bigotry is ignorant bigotry. 20,000 tears? If you knew anything about the Navajo you'd realize that they and their ancestors have been in the Southwest for "only" about 600 years. But you know how it is, after the first few centuries people start to act like they own the place.

    8. Re:hmmm.. casino investment? by PPH · · Score: 1

      But no-one else has a historic claim to their lands, right?

      Not if WalMart wants it.

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    9. Re:hmmm.. casino investment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kind of like Indian casinos.

    10. Re:hmmm.. casino investment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right. Find someone with something of value and take it.

      Plants took the oxygen and carbon from the land, water and air.
      Fish took the land from Plants.
      Mammals took the land from lizards.
      Chimps killed off other chimps to take their land.
      Chimps hunt and kill other hunters from killing and eating chimps.
      Lions kill cheetah (and other lion's) cubs to discourage food competition.
      Africans took the Mideast and rest of the world (Antartic aside) from bears, wolves and mammoths.
      NA "Indians"/aka Siberians took the land bridge and took Canada and the New World.
      Apache, Sioux, etc fought and took stuff from themselves.
      China failed to take the New World (failed, since they claim they went there first relative to Euros).
      Europe&UK took the New World from the Native American/Indians, them fought amongst themselves some more.
      Americans/USians/etc fought our colonial masters and mostly won.

      Find stuff of value and taking it seems to be a pretty good behavior for a species in competition with other species. Developing teeth, claws, speed, flight, poison, camouflage and optimally, thumbs and gunpowder has been a time tested solution to species survival. Not doing so failed Dodo. Developing tasty flesh without poison spines nominally worked well for Cows, Chickens, Corn, Wheat and Rice too, but it sucks for the 99%+ individuals involved in consumption.

      Am I saying we're no better than animals? No, I think we are more efficient at animal behavior.

    11. Re:hmmm.. casino investment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Casino investment is what Nova's been using prior funds for. I see this datacentre as a positive change.

      More likely, just another way to pad the pockets of the notoriously corrupt Navajo leadership.

    12. Re:hmmm.. casino investment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah yes, the unasked question.. who was there "first" and what happened to them? A number of "oppressed" people actually have a history of oppressing others in the distant past.

    13. Re:hmmm.. casino investment? by haruchai · · Score: 1

      Your ancestors are Chinese?

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    14. Re:hmmm.. casino investment? by haruchai · · Score: 1

      No. That's "a fool and his money are soon parted". Are the gamblers being dragged bodily onto the reservations or did they happen upon them by chance?

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  7. Sounds racist to me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    See for yourself:

    "White people cut the ribbon August 13 on an $8 million data center that has been under debate and development since 2000, when then-President Bill Clinton expressed shock that a 13-year-old white girl who just won a new laptop couldn't connect to the Internet. At the time that girl won the laptop in a school contest, the white community--a 27,425 square-mile region that covers portions of Arizona, Utah and New Mexico--had barely any IT infrastructure. The incident helped drive debate among leaders of the whites, many of whom said they believed adding telecommunications and computing facilities were secondary to other concerns for the chronically poverty stricken region. The 50,000-square-foot facility in Albuquerque, New Mexico includes 25,000-sq.-ft. of datacenter and an equal space for computer training and business incubation, according to Nova Corp., an IT services company owned by white people and formed in 2004 to execute an IT plan to create the "Digital White Nation" (PDF). The drive to get it built also helped push development of a $46 million broadband project designed to cover about half of white territory with 550 miles of fiber, 32 new cell towers and upgrades to another 27. It will eventually connect more than 30,000 households and 1,000 businesses."

    1. Re:Sounds racist to me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See for yourself:

      "White people cut the ribbon ...

      Eastern Tennessee Cherokee here... Please stop playing the race card- I meet people that seem to delight in pointing out how racist some innoccuous statement or situation might be, when there was really no intent so much of the time. Then they get their sensitive little panties in a wad when I tell them "it really wasn't meant that way"... now, I don't appreciate them "standing up for me" -and they're suddenly offended. To you and the rest of those assholes: Go the fuck away. Really. Go join PETA and dance naked in a cage.

      TFA mentioned "Navajo" in terms of the Nation; it wasn't trying to say "darker-skinned people living on a reservation". You know, I'll bet that there's a whale out there just waiting for you to save it. Hurry.

    2. Re:Sounds racist to me... by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      So the question is... who is being called racist?

    3. Re:Sounds racist to me... by operagost · · Score: 2

      Perhaps you don't know the history of the Americas, but when European settlers came they tended to push indigenous peoples out of their territory; eventually, the US government made the minimal concession of relinquishing territory in the form of reservations. The Navaho Nation is just that: an autonomous entity within the USA, organized much like similar entities within Canada. There is nothing racist about this, although the concept of a "Navajo Nation" is, by definition, both cultural and nationalist.

      Consider yourself lucky that you weren't modded down to oblivion, because your thinking is a bit out of line with reality. This isn't like someone building infrastructure in a neighborhood just so the particular ethnic group in that neighborhood can use it-- you might have an argument there.

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    4. Re:Sounds racist to me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, fuck you and your double standards. When you people complain about wording it's "fighting for equality and against injustice". But when the rest of us do it, it's "playing the race card".

    5. Re:Sounds racist to me... by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 1

      ... the white community--a 27,425 square-mile region that covers portions of Arizona, Utah and New Mexico ...

      It is obvious that this is really about providing internet service to a particular geographical area; not specifically because of anyone's race. I'm not much of a fan of the reservation system, but there are many areas that are predominately populated by people of one ethnicity or another; it's not "racist" to provide them with services.

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    6. Re:Sounds racist to me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WHADDA YA MEAN "YOU PEOPLE"??????



      When you're being a racist prick, everyone else can see it. Now go choke on a cock.

  8. Navajo Nation by Latent+Heat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My understanding is that the Navajo Nation is as much a valid political entity as, say, the State of Wisconsin. Navajo Nation is almost but not completely unlike one of the 50 states in our Federal system. So if you Find and Replace "Wisconsin" into the parent post, it doesn't seem at all racist.

    1. Re:Navajo Nation by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'd actually be curious to know how, if at all, the peculiar political status of certain treaty-administered reservation areas would affect a datacenter built there.

      For the purposes of day-to-day jurisdiction(beat cops, that sort of thing) they are at least as distinct as a state, in some respects more. On the other hand, there are assorted BIA fed-level things, and it's sort of a tangled mess. Do Navajo servers have to respect DMCA requests? Can they run an offshore gambling operation? If somebody cracks one, are they subject to the CFAA?

    2. Re:Navajo Nation by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Would they be able to let businesses like factories open there with reduced cost burdens (taxes, costly regulations) and turn themselves into a South Korea instead of a North Korea? Or do state and federal laws get in the way? Or do their councils act more like Detroit's, more concerned with their fiefdoms and kickbacks, driving people out?

      That it's about resources instead of government has been disproven time and time again.

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    3. Re:Navajo Nation by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      In that classic Slashdot acronym, IANAL, but I believe federal law applies on reservations.

    4. Re:Navajo Nation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, how do I become a Navajo? I just move to Navajo territory like I could move to Wisconsin? When people ask me about my political affiliation, I should just start saying "Navajo"?

    5. Re:Navajo Nation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except you don't get kicked out of Wisconsin when your GPS tells you to drive through it.

    6. Re:Navajo Nation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, how do I become a Navajo?

      Well, if the Navajo tribal organization does it like the Eastern Cherokee tribal organization, you have to apply. I wasn't a recognized member of the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians until my parents applied for me at age 5, so I wasn't really a Cherokee, no matter what my lineage (3/4, in my case), until then. Not all people of Cherokee descent are "Cherokees", but all "Cherokees" are of Cherokee descent, barring a few people with "honorable" affiliations.

      I don't really remember, but I think at the time you had to be documented a certain percentage Cherokee lineage and those ancestors had to be in some early 20th century census-takers "book" before you could apply.

    7. Re:Navajo Nation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correction: I guess you only have to apply if you weren't recognized from birth (born on tribal lands to Cherokee parents). I did it the other way, never asked and don't really know.

    8. Re:Navajo Nation by hypergreatthing · · Score: 1

      Navajo Nation Data Center
      Now the new home of piratebay.

    9. Re:Navajo Nation by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Navajo Nation Hosting: Where the internet is still a wild west!

  9. Ah, Slashdot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah, Slashdot... where if you can't say something on-topic, you can always say something racist.

    1. Re:Ah, Slashdot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, Internet. . . where if you can't say something on-topic, you can always say something racist.

    2. Re:Ah, Slashdot... by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Ah, life.

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  10. cell based = low caps with high overage charges by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    also cell based is really that good for fixed base users aka fixed homes / offices. Also fast will it be when all users on one tower all hit YouTube at the same time?

  11. windtalkers by rossdee · · Score: 3, Funny

    and now the NSA won't be able to read their email ...

    1. Re:windtalkers by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      Yeah, my first thought was "Great, we'll get the best cryptographers on the planet on the Internet now!" because the Japanese didn't even came close to figuring out what they were saying back in WWII.

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    2. Re:windtalkers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and now the NSA won't be able to read their email ...

      It would be poetic justice at the very least.

    3. Re:windtalkers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windtalkers were used by the NSA (rather, precursor cryptographic agencies) during WW2.

      It's more like GCHQ won't be able to read the NSA's e-mail.

  12. Rural Sourcing by ebno-10db · · Score: 3, Funny

    While there is always debate about whether something like this is the best way to spend money in a poverty stricken area, one way it could help is if "rural sourcing" got started in the Navajo nation. That could include things like software development and call center work. No, it's not for everybody, but when a few people start making better money in a poverty stricken area it sometimes has a positive feed back effect. The newly employed hire someone else to work on their house or their truck, buy other local services, that sort of thing.

    P.S. Now for a couple of things that you know people are dying to say (or groan about).

    1. Finally, software written by real Indians.

    2. In the future I want real Apaches working on the Apache server (hey, at least the Navajos are a related people).

    1. Re:Rural Sourcing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats funny, I thought the Apaches and Commanches were offshoots of the Sioux

    2. Re:Rural Sourcing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now for a couple of things that you know people are dying to say (or groan about).

      1. Finally, software written by real Indians.

      2. In the future I want real Apaches working on the Apache server (hey, at least the Navajos are a related people).

      I see what you did there. But you do raise a good point about increasing the employment opportunities for "native" computer programmers and software engineers as part of this rural broadband initiative.

    3. Re:Rural Sourcing by T.E.D. · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Thats funny, I thought the Apaches and Commanches were offshoots of the Sioux

      Uh, no. Apaches and Commanches are quite unrelated to the Sioux (and each other), much like, say Chinese, Turks, and Tai (even though all those folks live on the same continent too). Apache is a Na-Dene language, most of the other speakers of which live in Alaska and the NW of Canada. Commanche speak a Uto-Aztecan language, all of whose speakers originally hail from either the Wetern US or NW Mexico.

      The Siouan languages and cultures, by contrast were found in the central USA, roughly in the Mississippi watershed (with a couple of prominent exceptions in what is now New England). And yes, they were quite different peoples. Siouxans lived on riverbanks and were basically a settled farming people before Europeans came with their diseases and horses, making Buffalo hunting a more profitable living.

      The Apache and Commanche OTOH were hunters from way back (in the Apache's case, living a bit more off of raiding nearby settled communities as well). The introduction of horses basically turned them into the New World's equivalent of the Mongols and early Turks.

      They may look similar to the melanin-deprived, but they are very, very different.

    4. Re:Rural Sourcing by Xaedalus · · Score: 2

      The Sioux were also an empire before and after the White Man came. The Lakota, Dakota, and Nakota controlled/split a slice of land the size of Western Europe up until the 1800's. It's amazing that the Crow, Blackfeet, and others were even able to withstand them. As it is, we're lucky the Sioux nations didn't truly organize until late in the game in the 1800s when we whites had the technological advantage.

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    5. Re:Rural Sourcing by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

      FYI: Crow is also a Siouan language, so they were really just a related tribe that wasn't part of those big three nations. However, Blackfoot is indeed non-siouan (Alagonquian to be exact)

    6. Re:Rural Sourcing by ebno-10db · · Score: 2

      Thanks for the info, but was the snark "they may look similar to the melanin-deprived" really needed? The GP just made a mistake about the relationship between different peoples; nowhere did he imply that they were "all the same".

    7. Re:Rural Sourcing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who's "we"?

    8. Re:Rural Sourcing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, this pasty-assed white cracker found it pretty funny. As far as racial snarks go, it's pretty tame.

    9. Re:Rural Sourcing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I don't understand is 1) your original post actually advocated for poor people to advance thier position in life & 2) you're actually defending someone against racism. What happened to 'the free market will rule them all' and 'if it ain't white it ain't right' EBno we all have come to hate so much?

    10. Re:Rural Sourcing by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

      This is actually, this is a quite fair point. I was trying to point out that as far as the peoples in question are concerned, they don't look a thing like each other. However, non-Indians have a tendency to see the native people of the entire continent as one big race with some kind of monolithic nature-based culture.

      That isn't an easy concept to get across w/o going into TL;DR-land, so I used that pithy one-sentence shorthand. It works pretty well in person, where people can see that nobody in the room is more melanin-deprived than I. I should have been a wee bit more careful how I phrased it in print.

  13. I think some state / federal laws stop that by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    I got a on line survey from Potawatomi Bingo Casino about on line gameing it say that at this time they can't have a on line casino.

  14. Broadband Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's great they want to connect the Navajo Nation, but the real problem is that you have many homes there that don't have running water or electricity, no less a computer. I just moved away from the area and knowing the Navajo government, this is just a project to generate more money for the government that will not go to the people. This data center will be leased out and none of the money will go to the people, or projects for the people.

  15. Interesting ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go do a job search on their site, specifically for IT jobs.

    Ft. Meade, MD.

    The Navajo are being led down the primrose path.

    1. Re:Interesting ... by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      Maybe they'll spy on the NSA.

  16. What they really need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What they really need to do is fix the tribal courts. Currently, if you do business there and get into a dispute with the tribal government, you are screwed. There is no guarantee they won't throw sovereign immunity in your face and tell you to go fuck yourself. There's a reason one of the first things the US Congress ever did was waive sovereign immunity for torts and contracts. It lets you do business with the government with the assurance that they can't just take their ball and go home...you at least get your day in court.

    Yeah, Native Americans got shafted for a very, very long time, but now, they are just perpetuating their own problems. ISPs won't do business on the reservations because they have zero guarantee of anything. Garbage truck backs into a utility pole? Good luck recovering damages.

    1. Re:What they really need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Sovereign Immunity" is exactly how they tried to fuck over the company that financed and built that glass bridge/walkway and tourist center over the Grand Canyon.

      They entered a tens of millions of dollars agreement with them and then when it came time to start paying them back, they tried to fuck them and renege on the contract. Unfortunately for them the courts sided with the company.

      http://www.komonews.com/news/national/Courts-uphold-28-million-award-in-Grand-Canyon-Skywalk-case-190780991.html

  17. New laptop? by Alok · · Score: 3, Funny

    That 13 year old girl doubled her lifetime waiting for the net, and her laptop may be a little bit obsolete by now - they should give her an upgrade for starting all this :)

  18. 13 years for an 8mill 50k sf data center? by malakai · · Score: 1

    Are we supposed to applaud this? It sounds like a boondoggle.

    I read the article, and read the PDF produced by the Navajo 'IT' group. They spent the past 13 years soliciting funds from the state and federal level. This is also another E-Rate disaster ( FCC based 'broadband' initiative that also 'successfully' hooked up 9 schools in Puerto Rico for 150 million ).

    Obama wants to not increase cell phone taxes to give E-Rate even more funding.....

    1. Re:13 years for an 8mill 50k sf data center? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seriously can't make a post on /. that doesn't shit on Obama can you?

  19. Data Centre? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't see the purpose of a data center, typically its desirable to have these near backbones where they can provide fast access as opposed to the backend of nowhere? It would be far more prudent to try and get people using AWS, AppEngine, etc. as opposed to sinking millions into an unnecessary building and equipment however much Cisco & other hardware vendors would like sell them.

  20. Re: cell based = low caps with high overage charge by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

    "Also fast will it be when all users on one tower all hit YouTube at the same time?"

    A rhetorical question that was, Yoda?

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  21. Re: cell based = low caps with high overage charge by Alok · · Score: 1

    With low population density (i.e. user base) over a large region, its far more cost effective to run a few high bandwidth lines and provide wireless service. Cellular network bandwidth isn't that bad, e.g. people use their mobiles as hotspots - in city areas, which have a far higher density of wireless signals (leading to more interference, and also less available per person).

  22. "build more pylons"? WTF does that mean?!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Monument Valley will now have sell towers along with the sandstone pillars.

    Progress.

    Strange. It seems like it's trying to communicate. What are you trying to say?

    1. Re:"build more pylons"? WTF does that mean?!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      cell vs sell

      You live in the city? Are you use to cell towers everywhere? feel alone with no cell towers in site? Do you get the cold sweats when you see a sign that says "last wifi for 250 miles?" How do you know you are not part of the matrix? (or what ever that movie was)

  23. That's $1483 per household/business by xeos · · Score: 1

    Seems like a lot to me. I tend to think that (1) it could have been done a lot cheaper (wireless?) and (2) if in fact it had to cost that much, then the money probably could have been spent better.

    1. Re:That's $1483 per household/business by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      $1,500 actually sounds on par with Cable and other broadband initiatives.

      When I got wireless internet at my house back in Highschool it was about $900 for the antenna and gateway etc and speeds where nowhere near cable speeds with really high latency.

  24. Great confusing title by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

    I'm thinking, "Why does one Datacenter have the power to give away control of the entire Internet, why on earth did they pick Navajo to give it to, and what did that unlucky 30% do to get left out of this sweet deal?"

    Its a old newspaper trick (perfected IMHO by The Register), to use purposely confusing titles to induce the reader to read at least a bit of the article to figure out what's going on. In this case, two sentences in all was made clear, but by then I was reading. Bravo, Editors!

  25. RFC? by PPH · · Score: 1

    TCP/IP over smoke signals.

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    1. Re:RFC? by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

      Thats a smokin' handshake you got there.

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  26. Fact Check.. by moaneye · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just wanted to post some fact check data here. I live 10 miles from the data center, was interviewed for a position there (turned down the consequent job offer) and am friends with the data center administrator. First of all, the article is incorrect - the data center is in Shiprock New Mexico on the Navajo Nation, NOT in Albuquerque. This is a 240+ mile difference. It's a common occurance that news articles written by people outside the area tend to make. Everyone not from New Mexico thinks that Albuquerque, Santa Fe and Taos are the only places in New Mexico. Also, the data center was not built with grant funds. The grant funds went towards the fiber optic project. NTUA, the Navajo Tribal Utility Authority, invested their own capital to build the data center. In fact, what the ariticle does not make clear is that NTUA houses and manages the data center. What makes this unusual is that NTUA is the utility for the Navajo Nation (water, sewer, electricity, etc.). Building and running a data center is a little out of their core compentencies. Having said that, however, they've done an impressive job. The data center is state of the art and well built. They have power feeds from two different bulk electric utilities, two massive backup generators, two buildings of UPSs, and a state-of-the art NOC. What they don't have, in my humble opinion, is a completely fleshed out marketing team. But then I don't know exactly what their marketing strategy is anyway. As far as being racist goes, the only comment I've seen so far which I would say is blatantly racist is the one about "every liquor store in the region" putting up a website. That's kind of harsh, and is a really bad sterotype. Again, however, that's just my opinion. This is a free country after all.

    1. Re:Fact Check.. by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      Thanks for providing actual facts (even if it does put a damper on a good debate).

    2. Re:Fact Check.. by earlzdotnet · · Score: 2

      Will they only be and/or "prefer" hiring Native Americans? I'm from Oklahoma where there is a bunch of Indian stuff (I even have an underutilized CDIB card) and one of the crazy things I always came across was that a lot of businesses only seemed to hire native americans. If federal law applies to them, I never could see how this was legal...

      ...Also, never shoplift from an indian gas station. From what I've heard, apparently you go through the indian court system for laws broken like that, where punishment can be much less transparent and more harsh than "normal" laws broken.

    3. Re:Fact Check.. by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

      the data center is in Shiprock New Mexico on the Navajo Nation, NOT in Albuquerque. This is a 240+ mile difference. It's a common occurance that news articles written by people outside the area tend to make. Everyone not from New Mexico thinks that Albuquerque, Santa Fe and Taos are the only places in New Mexico.

      There is a HUGE difference between Albuquerque and Shiprock. Shiprock is beautiful, but in a uber-stark kind of way. And it is small... It makes Farmington look big. And it's "on the rez"... which has both pros and cons. A person would have to be comfortable living in that environment.

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    4. Re:Fact Check.. by tarellel · · Score: 1

      I was very close to posting something similar to this, I live in Farmington and know that a lot of news agencies outside of the area blow things our of proportion, don't know the facts and either think New Mexico is part of Mexico or a baren desert made of nothing but the cities of Santa Fe and Albuquerque, chili fields, and mexicans slaving away. Hopefully the data center will bring a lot of jobs to the area, but I have yet to see its viability of having numerous servers I don't exactly see a lot of tech related stuff going on in the Shiprock area. But I do understand the need to having internet access in around the area and I hope it can greatly improve information people within the surrounding area will have and improve their quality of life.

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    5. Re:Fact Check.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > But then I don't know exactly what their marketing strategy is anyway. As far as being racist goes, the only comment I've seen so far which I would say is blatantly racist is the one about "every liquor store in the region" putting up a website. That's kind of harsh, and is a really bad sterotype. Again, however, that's just my opinion. This is a free country after all.

      It's only actually bad if it's false, and if it is, call it what it really is - slander. Kindly go fuck yourself. Frankly I don't think anyone should have to tiptoe around these people like we still owe them something. We don't.

    6. Re:Fact Check.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Anonymous Native attorney here, offering information but not advice. Native American preference in hiring is considered under federal law to be similar to a citizenship requirement (it is classified as a political classification) rather than a racial requirement. Hence, the federal Bureau of Indian Affairs is allowed to hire with Native preference. See Morton v. Mancari, 417 U.S. 535 (1974). Native nations, of course, are sovereigns who can require citizenship just as a state can require state residency for some positions.

      Yeah, no, about the criminal law enforcement by tribal courts. Unless you're a Native person, they have super limited criminal jurisdiction over non-Indians (although, oddly, our nations have the same jurisdiction over Indians of other nations as they do over their own citizens). For a non-Indian on a rez, it's kind of akin to being able to walk into Alabama or Canada and not be subject to Alabama's or Canada's courts, but this is a long-standing rule of federal law. In fact, tribal criminal jurisdicion is considered by federal law to be pretty limited to small stuff--which means major crimes generally have to be prosecuted by the feds, leading to all sorts of problems, perhaps most infamously in protecting Indian women from sexual assault by non-Indians. And, of course, if the "Indian gas station" is on non-rez, non-trust land then state law will probably apply anyway.

      You're right that many tribal governments have transparency issues. This is something that activists have been working to change, but centuries of outsiders building up elite families has created long-standing problems. Judge Steve Russell (Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma) has an excellent book explaining why our tribal sovereignty is endangered by our continuing to allow our nations' governments to operate like third-world countries.

    7. Re:Fact Check.. by Rinikusu · · Score: 1

      How sovereign is their, um, sovereignity? For example, if they wanted to build a datahaven, immune to US wiretapping laws, etc (granted, it doesn't stop the NSA from snooping on the ins and outs), how long before the national guard gets called out and they get blasted back to iraq levels?

      --
      If you were me, you'd be good lookin'. - six string samurai
  27. They Didn't Have Any by DesertJazz · · Score: 2

    They didn't have any casino's on the Navajo Nation until about two years ago. It was probably the one that held off the longest on building them, partially because they could never come to an agreement with the State of New Mexico, but mostly due to tribal opposition.

    The bigger thing is that it will benefit those that have power... What many people don't realize though is that much of the reservation is like a third world country without running water or electricity!

    1. Re:They Didn't Have Any by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had a family member work in a hospital on the reservation. When the women came in to give birth, they tried to find reasons to stay longer because they liked taking the hot showers.

    2. Re:They Didn't Have Any by drkim · · Score: 1

      ...the women...liked taking the hot showers.

      Pics, or it didn't happen.

      (Oh, I see. That's why Clinton wanted to connect them to the internet!)

  28. Wonder what they had to trade for it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Last time I was out there, they told me that, in order to simply be allowed to name one of their schools in their own language and have it retain its accreditation, they had to allow a dozen antenna towers be built on top of a sacred mountain on their own land. They don't get anything from the BIA for free and I'd be very surprised if this didn't come with many strings attached as well.

  29. Obviously Big Brother... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...must reach everywhere. Or how I saw in a program a few days ago: Big Vatican. I am beginning to think it is true that God makes miracles, the Church manage them and the Vatican puts the expiring date on them.

    1. Re:Obviously Big Brother... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By the way, I also think that a possible definition of miracle in the English standard dictionary could be: adding 2+2=4 in formies (10^-15) just "for fun".

  30. More taxpayer money wasted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about using some of the casino money?

  31. TLD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the Diné really had nation status, they'd get a top level domain like all the other "legitimate" nation-states.