'I'm not that great with the RPM and DEB tools for example. What good is my code if I can't package it? '
'I need to be part of a team. I can't do that if all the potential team members go off and use Qt.'
Well with that much yearning to be a part of a team.. maybe you should check out what a team is first. There are countless analogies i could through out on this one, I'll save you the pain of seeing how wrong you are about teams and only list a few. You can write good code, that is great.. the pitcher is great on a baseball team.. but not everyone can pitch.. should we banish pitchers from baseball since everyone cant pitch? Is everyone a quarter back on a football team? In the military they have 'fireteams' when they go patrolling.. does everyone take point and give the signals on what to do? hah.. a could see that.. anyways on a real team.. everyone has heightened skills at one thing or another (maybe packaging in your case) and it's the combined effort of that particular team that counts..
Now go code away, and draft a team memeber that can package for you.
Lookie there, helped the poor man/gal out.. now he/she can be on a team!!!!!!!
Did you SUFFER the time, money and the dedication it took to write QT, did you also apply those same things in writing KDE? I'll wager you didn't.
To me you're lazy, you just want everyone else to do the work for you so you can rip it for yourself eh? It's Troll Tech's library/widget set.. they're letting you have the source AND they're letting you make modifications to that source. all they want is YOU to distribute your modifications separate from their source.. if that is such a problem pick up the harmony project, finish it.. and shut up.
Looks like one of a few articles I to have ran across that gines KDE the credit it deserves. No doubt its heavily used, alot of hard work has went into KDE.. as I've stated earlier it's really crappy to be dumping on such a good product.
No this isn't a 'ohh poor lil kde guys' thing.. they deserve a little respect. And I'm not dumping on GNOME it too deserves it's respect.. it just has a bit further to go.. but its looking good so far =)
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see you all keep going on and on about this.. KDE v*.* is OPEN SOURCE, as i said before KDE would be usless without QT library, BUT that doesn't make KDE non opensource just because the underlying library isnt. But you all don't care about thet, first its open source, next it's gpl.. because the new qpl fits the OSD fine.. it's even listed on opensource.org.. but hold on.. now we gotta find another nit pick right? some other way to keep KDE from getting the respect/support it deserves? See i for one dont give a flying... well you know.. heh.. GNOME can prosper as can KDE, and the next DE that comes out... be happy.. all these go towards the benefit of linux do they not? Does all this inhouse bickering, gnome's media fud on kde.. all this crap.. does it help the sucess of linux? no.. sure dont...
'Once upon a time everyone in the community looked and worked towards a common goal'
Well it's nice how you quote me out of context to help you rebuttle. Seeing as you didn't get the whole quote.. here it is:
'Once upon a time everyone in the community looked and worked towards a common goal.. to provide an OS that was functional, stable and for the people'
There we go, see it now.. it's more than just XEmacs, egcs or kde or gnome.. it's the big picture of making this OS succeed and succeed marginally.. to whip the pants of the proprietary os's out there.. now gnome is rockin in the press.. so what if another FREE environment sprung up totally gpl'd and wooped the pants off of gnome.. and was featured in the press all over the place and everytime they were they beat up GNOME.. would that be any more right than gnome beating up KDE because _some_ feel its not 'free' ? no sure wouldnt.. then there would be 3 to choose from..
'If a common goal is desireable, the KDE people should start working on GNOME'
Why? So we can be like other os's with OS's with one unified desktop, taking away our choices once again?
'they might as well write Win32 code'
Would that be non-free? wine is a win32 compatible library.. if i wrote an application based on the opensource, free library of wine, and did it all win32 would that make me bad? come on.
'Hey, why do we argue with Microsoft fanatics? Windows comes free with every PC'
Yes it comes with every PC, but free? That said then you disagree with the MS refund scheme right? since it comes free then there is no refund (according to you).. but we all know that we are getting charged for the OS because the company putting it on the pc was charged and we incur the charges and want a refund... KDE dont have secret charges as you seem to be classifying it with.. neither does QT. You and some others just dont want accept QT. that is fine, but dont belittle the efforts of the otherside of the 'community' that IS working to make it all better.
Why is this happening the way it is? Why is linux slashing its own wrists? Once upon a time everyone in the community looked and worked towards a common goal.. to provide an OS that was functional, stable and for the people. Everyone had a hand in it.. developers, even the users that most of you disrespect half the time.. you don't have to be a geek or a coder to help make linux take over that other os.. sure developers provide what is needed for users to want to be here.. but it's more users tellin their pals hey this stuff is cool and its much better than win*. Now things are more a game of cut throat right here inside what was once a 'community' of folks with a common goal... What's going on here? Almost every article about GNOME has to put down KDE in some way or another.. WHY? Is KDE not a DE on linux? does it not provide a comfortable environment for users coming from windows to work in.. heck it's pretty similar to windows in look AND in feel... yah they use a not so GPL'd toolkit.. but does that change the fact that there are tons of developers writing what they feel to be a FREE environment for linux? Are there not tons of folks writing various applications for KDE in the thoughts of providing useful GUI tools for KDE? All of the developers believe in what their doing as much as the GNOME developers do.. ALL are working towards the common goal of making linux better for the USER, but GNOME folks and ole de Icaza have to take cheap shots at KDE. Why? Are KDE developers inhuman? Do any of them deserve this? No. I see on the KDE page they even had in their news the release of GNOME 1.0, and in that post asking Mr. de Icaza to tell them of their 'technical deficiencies', looks to me they're pretty supportive and want to correct things that may or may not be deficient. Now today i read this article.. the first opensource GUI for linux.. implying KDE isnt thus slamming it more.. KDE isnt opensource? Well heck.. what in the world is this stuff i get out of the source directory on kde.org? sure looks like c/c++ code to me.. yes i do believe their source is OPEN. Can i make modifications to KDE? Yes you bet you bottom i can. Maybe i like how they have removeable menubars can i just take that? Yes i can, i can take those widgets right out of there. The claimed problem is with QT, i personally dont see problem with it. Heck most of you should be happy for QT licensing.. they make it so that you HAVE to create opensource (free) applications or you pay their grand fee. So you cant take from the qt library.. but you can submit patches and get stuff included on upcoming releases. KDE still not open source? Granted KDE _not_ linked to QT library would be pretty much useless, but KDE in and of itself IS opensource it is free i can take it and do whatever i want with it. Yes i know im venting.. but heck all i see is GNOME GNOME GNOME, well that is great, deserves every bit of attention as the effort put into making it a wonderful environment, but that doesnt constitute beating KDE into the gutter everytime you get the chance.. i believe 2 DE's can live in the linux world just fine.. who cares who uses one more than the other.. what you should care about is you have the choice to run one or the other.. GNOME is so caught up on 'winning' or something that it must take every 'in the publics face oppertunity' to kick KDE. This is crazy guys/gals KDE is part of the darn effort to make linux more than what it is.. and your ready to cut it off.. think of it like brothers twins even if you want.. 1 is KDE one is GNOME.. and linux community is.. thats right DADDY.. tell me.. if one brother is any more or less successful than the other is DADDY any more or less lifted up.. each brother isnt going to do the exact same thing.. they both do their own thing and do it well (no body is perfect) and both make DADDY proud.. now would it be right for daddy to say hey.. i dont like what you do KDE son... so any time folks ask DADDY or GNOME SON how they're doing DADDY/GNOME take that as an oppertunity to kick and bash the other son... pretty sad if you ask me.. they're isn't any need for it.. sorry i could go on for days i think.. stuff is built up.. it's just sickining to watch you guys destroy yourself... Hey yah.. how many of you have friends? most of you right.. whether real life.. or on the net i dont care.. but folks you call friends... any of you ever have that one 'pal' that no matter what he had to make himself look better by putting you or the rest of the group down.. you didnt like it did you? pissed you off huh? Think about it.. it's the same darn thing going on here..
note: yes i know my grammar sucks, and i know my spelling sucks. thank you for ignoring my mistakes.
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'I'm not that great with the RPM and DEB tools for example. What good is my code if I can't package it? '
'I need to be part of a team. I can't do that if all the potential team members go off and use Qt.'
Well with that much yearning to be a part of a team.. maybe you should check out what a team is first. There are countless analogies i could through out on this one, I'll save you the pain of seeing how wrong you are about teams and only list a few. You can write good code, that is great..
the pitcher is great on a baseball team.. but not everyone can pitch.. should we banish pitchers from baseball since everyone cant pitch? Is everyone a quarter back on a football team? In the military they have 'fireteams' when they go patrolling.. does everyone take point and give the signals on what to do? hah.. a could see that.. anyways on a real team.. everyone has heightened skills at one thing or another (maybe packaging in your case) and it's the combined effort of that particular team that counts..
Now go code away, and draft a team memeber that can package for you.
Lookie there, helped the poor man/gal out.. now he/she can be on a team!!!!!!!
Why you should SUFFER??
Did you SUFFER the time, money and the dedication it took to write QT, did you also apply those same things in writing KDE? I'll wager you didn't.
To me you're lazy, you just want everyone else to do the work for you so you can rip it for yourself eh? It's Troll Tech's library/widget set.. they're letting you have the source AND they're letting you make modifications to that source. all they want is YOU to distribute your modifications separate from their source.. if that is such a problem pick up the harmony project, finish it.. and shut up.
Looks like one of a few articles I to have ran across that gines KDE the credit it deserves. No doubt its heavily used, alot of hard work has went into KDE.. as I've stated earlier it's really crappy to be dumping on such a good product.
No this isn't a 'ohh poor lil kde guys' thing.. they deserve a little respect. And I'm not dumping on GNOME it too deserves it's respect.. it just has a bit further to go.. but its looking good so far =)
see you all keep going on and on about this.. KDE v*.* is OPEN SOURCE, as i said before KDE would be usless without QT library, BUT that doesn't make KDE non opensource just because the underlying library isnt. But you all don't care about thet, first its open source, next it's gpl.. because the new qpl fits the OSD fine.. it's even listed on opensource.org.. but hold on.. now we gotta find another nit pick right? some other way to keep KDE from getting the respect/support it deserves? See i for one dont give a flying
Well like i said im not a writer *shrug*
if i could throw up C code representing my feelings i would.. but i dont think it would be any more readable.
'Once upon a time everyone in the community looked and worked towards a common goal'
.. but we all know that we are getting charged for the OS because the company putting it on the pc was charged and we incur the charges and want a refund... KDE dont have secret charges as you seem to be classifying it with.. neither does QT. You and some others just dont want accept QT. that is fine, but dont belittle the efforts of the otherside of the 'community' that IS working to make it all better.
Well it's nice how you quote me out of context to help you rebuttle. Seeing as you didn't get the whole quote.. here it is:
'Once upon a time everyone in the community looked and worked towards a common goal.. to provide an OS that was functional, stable and for the people'
There we go, see it now.. it's more than just XEmacs, egcs or kde or gnome.. it's the big picture of making this OS succeed and succeed marginally.. to whip the pants of the proprietary os's out there.. now gnome is rockin in the press.. so what if another FREE environment sprung up totally gpl'd and wooped the pants off of gnome.. and was featured in the press all over the place and everytime they were they beat up GNOME.. would that be any more right than gnome beating up KDE because _some_ feel its not 'free' ? no sure wouldnt.. then there would be 3 to choose from..
'If a common goal is desireable, the KDE people should start working on GNOME'
Why? So we can be like other os's with OS's with one unified desktop, taking away our choices once again?
'they might as well write Win32 code'
Would that be non-free? wine is a win32 compatible library.. if i wrote an application based on the opensource, free library of wine, and did it all win32 would that make me bad? come on.
'Hey, why do we argue with Microsoft fanatics? Windows comes free with every PC'
Yes it comes with every PC, but free? That said then you disagree with the MS refund scheme right? since it comes free then there is no refund (according to you)
yes i did *shrug*
Why is this happening the way it is? Why is linux slashing its own wrists? Once upon a time everyone in the community looked and worked towards a common goal.. to provide an OS that was functional, stable and for the people. Everyone had a hand in it.. developers, even the users that most of you disrespect half the time.. you don't have to be a geek or a coder to help make linux take over that other os.. sure developers provide what is needed for users to want to be here.. but it's more users tellin their pals hey this stuff is cool and its much better than win*. Now things are more a game of cut throat right here inside what was once a 'community' of folks with a common goal... What's going on here? Almost every article about GNOME has to put down KDE in some way or another.. WHY? Is KDE not a DE on linux? does it not provide a comfortable environment for users coming from windows to work in.. heck it's pretty similar to windows in look AND in feel... yah they use a not so GPL'd toolkit.. but does that change the fact that there are tons of developers writing what they feel to be a FREE environment for linux? Are there not tons of folks writing various applications for KDE in the thoughts of providing useful GUI tools for KDE? All of the developers believe in what their doing as much as the GNOME developers do.. ALL are working towards the common goal of making linux better for the USER, but GNOME folks and ole de Icaza have to take cheap shots at KDE. Why? Are KDE developers inhuman? Do any of them deserve this? No. I see on the KDE page they even had in their news the release of GNOME 1.0, and in that post asking Mr. de Icaza to tell them of their 'technical deficiencies', looks to me they're pretty supportive and want to correct things that may or may not be deficient. Now today i read this article.. the first opensource GUI for linux.. implying KDE isnt thus slamming it more.. KDE isnt opensource? Well heck.. what in the world is this stuff i get out of the source directory on kde.org? sure looks like c/c++ code to me.. yes i do believe their source is OPEN. Can i make modifications to KDE? Yes you bet you bottom i can. Maybe i like how they have removeable menubars can i just take that? Yes i can, i can take those widgets right out of there. The claimed problem is with QT, i personally dont see problem with it. Heck most of you should be happy for QT licensing.. they make it so that you HAVE to create opensource (free) applications or you pay their grand fee. So you cant take from the qt library.. but you can submit patches and get stuff included on upcoming releases. KDE still not open source? Granted KDE _not_ linked to QT library would be pretty much useless, but KDE in and of itself IS opensource it is free i can take it and do whatever i want with it. Yes i know im venting.. but heck all i see is GNOME GNOME GNOME, well that is great, deserves every bit of attention as the effort put into making it a wonderful environment, but that doesnt constitute beating KDE into the gutter everytime you get the chance.. i believe 2 DE's can live in the linux world just fine.. who cares who uses one more than the other.. what you should care about is you have the choice to run one or the other.. GNOME is so caught up on 'winning' or something that it must take every 'in the publics face oppertunity' to kick KDE. This is crazy guys/gals KDE is part of the darn effort to make linux more than what it is.. and your ready to cut it off.. think of it like brothers twins even if you want.. 1 is KDE one is GNOME.. and linux community is .. thats right DADDY.. tell me.. if one brother is any more or less successful than the other is DADDY any more or less lifted up.. each brother isnt going to do the exact same thing.. they both do their own thing and do it well (no body is perfect) and both make DADDY proud.. now would it be right for daddy to say hey.. i dont like what you do KDE son... so any time folks ask DADDY or GNOME SON how they're doing DADDY/GNOME take that as an oppertunity to kick and bash the other son... pretty sad if you ask me.. they're isn't any need for it.. sorry i could go on for days i think.. stuff is built up.. it's just sickining to watch you guys destroy yourself... Hey yah.. how many of you have friends? most of you right.. whether real life.. or on the net i dont care.. but folks you call friends... any of you ever have that one 'pal' that no matter what he had to make himself look better by putting you or the rest of the group down.. you didnt like it did you? pissed you off huh? Think about it.. it's the same darn thing going on here..
note: yes i know my grammar sucks, and i know my spelling sucks. thank you for ignoring my mistakes.