Yes, that is the case Church did indeed demonstrate much the same thing with 'Lambda Calculus'. But Turing gave what was really needed - a simple and elegant way of visualizing 'computable numbers' with the Turing machine. Interestingly, he invented it ten years before the first computer was even built! He had no way to build an actual model.
The history of this is very interesting. It's curious that the invention of the Turing machine is more philosophical than scientific. Church's Lambda Calculus was scientific. Where's Ken Burns when you need him?
Another person you won't hear about is Kurt Goedel. His 'incompleteness' theorem fundamentally changed mathematics. How important is mathematics to all of science??
While the poll seems to be more for entertainment than actual reflection on humanity's 19th century, it is an interesting question on who really had the most far reaching influence. Is there somebody that has been ignored or overlooked?? Or is the poll more about popular notables? Another question, will the most influential person of the century be a Nobel prize winner?
I know that there are a couple people who should have received the Nobel prize, died before there discoveries became apparent - I can not think of them off hand - any help?
They're gonna don they're UFO halloween costumes so they can spam-er-email the aliens and attract them here. Sort of like throwing a couple of decoy ducks on the duck pond. Anybody sending spam to aliens must think aliens are really really dumb. Then again all it takes is just that one response out of say, fifty zillion.
The only problem is any aliens who would respond are too dumb to have the technology to respond. There goes the $60,000 investment. DOH!!!!!!
I suppose if it doesn't work out the spammers can go back to cutting crop circles.
I guess that means that some alien race is going to really "Black Hole" the earth now. Good going for humanity.
I always thought that spammers were ex-Citizen Band users with a computer. I guess this sort of proves it. 'cept they are using their old C band satellite dish that they were going to throw anyway. Just like a spammer to say 'make $60,000 in your spare time' or 'this is a $60,000 investment'. Yeah, right. It's their old garage door opener for crying out loud.
Breaker, Breaker, calling all aliens -er- I know how you can fix your credit. Sheesh.
Once a spammer, always a spammer. Or a spammer by any other technology is still a spammer.
That would be John Bardeen, Walter Brattain and William Shockley, Inventors of the transistor. E-V-E-R-Y-B-O-D-Y uses the transistor. Without which Linus would be programming an abacus -er- Eniac.
Need to vote for a computer geek?? Then that would have to be Alan Turing, who gave us computability theory, of which I do not believe we have seen the full effects of yet.
But lets get even more real. We could have lived without the transistor. Sure, alot of us would be glass blowers instead of hackers.
As humans, how much pain and lives have been saved by having penicillin? In 1928 Alexander Fleming discovered an 'accidental' mold in one of his petri dishes that would save countless lives. Both in war and peace. If you are looking for sheer numbers of people affected by one thing, that would have to be close to the top.
Along this line, look at Jonas Salk, who created the first polio vaccine. How many children can live without the fear of this horrid disease now?? But thats not what makes him a good choice. He spent his life travelling the world to foster peace among all people. You need a hero??? he would be a very good choice.
Slashdotters, get real and go back and change your dumbass choices.
Obviously this is a geek poll. If people were polled leaving the grocery store, Linus would not make the top 1000. In fact, as more non-geeks are polled online I bet he drops off the list.
Is sucking sound loud enough to wake people up???
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Those stupid boiler plate licenses that 99.99% of the public never reads have finally come to life. The question is will the average non-programmer consumer understand that they are going to be 'information raped' by dumb companies that write bloated, buggy, code.
I guess that it is time that GNU be branded as consumer friendly. Maybe Stallman was onto something when he was insisting that all linux distros use the 'GNU' name.
The consumer needs 'education' in this area, that they can not let 'whack on command' software into their homes and onto their hardrives.
Is this going to be one of those silent 'nobody cares enough to make a noise' laws?? Who is going to inform the general public??
Do you think Balmer and friends is _really_ scared??? After all, they have infinite resources to do or buy anything they want to.
Clearly this is a plan to lure linux geeks into a sense of complacency, or to swell their heads to think that they are accomplishing more than they really are.
Because down deep Balmer knows that giving away free pop in Redmond is'nt enough anymore. But he knows that all he needs to do is add free candy machines with stale twinkies. He'll have more geek developers knocking on his door than he'll know what to do with.
My guilty pleasure hobby is ergonomics on the cheap. I found this office chair that looks like it was made in the seventies. This injection molded wonder is not fancy, but it is curved just right, the armrests are just in the right place to have a keyboard on your lap, and has a sturdy spring to allow reclining. I'm not saying that all office chairs are good, because they aren't. I gave up a nice leather one for this one.
You won't find any chrome on this baby either. Just a wide sturdy steel base, that you feel perfectly safe when leaning back.
It's soft blue carpet padding just has the right amount padding that forms to you but doesn't hide the firmness of the curved injection molded backing that feels good on your back.
It's a little grungy looking, and I suppose that they would not 'look good' in today's modern office. That's probably why it was there. But my butt is real happy.
All this for $5.00 at thrift store. I just wish I had bought both of them.
I suppose that you could find another one like this and unscrew it from the base and make something like that swedish ergo chair with the computer between your legs. You could probably do the whole thing for $100. But why change a work of art?
My take; ergonomics is about functional proportions, not style.
Forget about the little ol' black hole doing the earth fantasy, but how about doing the entire universe in less time than a twink of an eye. NPR did a nice little piece on something called
Vacuum Decay
A scary mathematical possibility, however slight.
just one thing, if something goes wrong
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you're too high to bail. Or breath, or otherwise escape. Parachutes are useless. Flotation cushions become irrelevant. Getting stuck in orbit could be a lot worse than being stuck on a runway. When you technicolor yawn, it wouldn't go in the sack and would be real hard to clean up. They probably wouldn't have a stewardess pushing a little drink cart down the middle, as turbulence at Mach 25 would make that difficult to handle.
If you want commercial space travel, go to Disneyland.
when it became available, so I could dump my roomate, who was from India. All five precious square feet were so unbelievably glorious. Somebody once said that you have to live in a dorm once just to experience what it is like. I agree, but I can't say I would return. Especially not here in Utah. Now if I were to return to a real pardy hardy school (e.g. Arizona) I might would think about it for about 1 second, but that's all. Ah, the memories.
No, this is not an off topic post, so don't mod me down! If you were like me you were too bloomin' poor to have a 'real' computer. This was before the goodness of Linux. So listen carefully - this is what you need to do..
Every school I know of has a 'surplus' office, where they send there unwanted equipment. So check there first. What you want to find is one of those 'pizza box' computers that were popular with many schools because of their space saving properties. Well, now they have to send them away because of Windoze bloated code.
A local school is selling them for $25 - $50. Some local computer shop recently had a garage sale and 'gave' me a couple rather than haul them back in at the end of the day. Another shop has a 'dollar bin' for isa cards that they toss in when they do upgrades. (Found a dollar sound card). Yet another shop had a cheap $5.00 dx4 100 overdrive proccessor for sale. (yes, scrounging a'la cheapo is in my blood - I'm a nerd, I can't help it).
From the same surplus office I picked up a gateway 15' crystal scan like new - $30 - I have seen them around for as low as $20, and free if u -fix, not too hard if you have a couple you can swap boards with. So you could do it for $75, or even less.
Why bother? my fellow slashdotters may ask. You get a true minimum footprint computer. You will find it easier/cheaper to upgrade and maintain in the long run. You will appreciate it more. You can use all the money you save on spring break or a used laptop. It's just the principal of the thing. I mean, if a Jedi has to make his own light saber, shouldn't a nerd make his own computer???
as it is dropping the bales of coke out over the Florida Keys. You really don't need to deal with encryption technology to track them with radar, do you???
Lets call this what it is:More graft for dictators
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This is not a wonderful idea considering what third world countries have done in the past. Why should we even give money to a country for food let alone internet access when many dictators stash it in their swiss bank accounts?? Look at Indonesia's dictator Suharto and all the money the IMF has given him in the past, only for him to build palaces for his family accross the country. What about the Philippines and the late Ferdinand Marcos and Imelda's shoe collection?? They still haven't been able to find the all the money. How about the former Nigerian dictator Sani Abacha?? His prisons were filled with political dissenters. Do you think he would have wanted them to have free and easy communication??
Annother question - how do people who work for 25 cents an hour afford a computer??
Many third world countries do need assistance, and access to communication can only be a good thing for them. Which also begs the question, If the country is given an internet infrastructure, would the leaders of the country allow the citzenry open access??
Forget the open source movement for a moment. It seems that the lifetime for computer hardware is incredibly short. By keeping the source to driver software closed manufactures accomplish;
1) Decrease the life of the product, shortening support obligations.
2) Hide any shortcomings to their hardware product, saving on warranty obligations.
3) Forcing the consumer to upgrade by preventing product 'enhancments', or fixing 'problems'
4) Reveal design shortcomings to the competition.
Some wise man said that a there are two reasons someone does something. A good reason, and the _real_ reason. The arguement that it protects proprietarty technology is in most instances completely false, as many chip makers release 'reference' designs to many hardware manufactures, who in turn make only small changes to the basic design. And any valid 'proprietary' enhancements there may be are quickly undone when the next competing product hits the market. So companies are left with the real reason - less hassle and more money.
I do not think that is enough that you argue politely the benifits of open source. Consumers are going have to get tired of being on the endless upgrade mill of expensive hardware and the expensive bloated code to use it. How much power do you need to write a letter or balance a checkbook?
Maybe then we would see real innovation in the computer industry instead of creeping featurism.
The only way that you are going to see open source from a manufacture is if it is legislated by congress answering the demand of angry consumers who catch on. IBM's Aptiva MWAVE is a classic example of the above. Cut and paste the link below into your browser.
http://members.aol.com/mbs1058/mwave/classact.ht ml
NOVA on PBS had a show on what the Russian moon landing plans was. They had video of the prototype moon lander. There are steam trains that looked more modern. That's what is creepy. I am glad that their program was iced. It would have been bad to see something like that fly. I could be wrong on it's space worthiness, but it looked scary to me.
Thats what I remember of the movie. They end up running into the desert, but never quite make it to reveal the truth to the public. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. I'm surprised this has'nt sprung up into a topic for comparison on this thread yet.
after the crash and they retrieved the bodies from the crew compartment, they were put into blue plastic garbage cans, loaded onto a flatbed truck, and covered with a tarp. Some grainy news photo at the time seem to support this is what happened. Another story goes further and has them being taken away under the cover of darkness. Does anyone remember seeing any hearsts???
I can't wait until.web annd other extensions are released by ICANN, then we can deal with these same lOOzers all over again. Maybe they can reform the rules a little to prevent cybersquatting, such as a limit to the number of unused domains you can have. Starting out at even 1000 would get rid of most of them. They are the few, the dumb, the pigs.
There is these little black vans with just 'FCC' on the side. I really didn't believe that they existed until I saw one with its 10 or more antenna on top.
Higher power is not a problem until you start interfering with somebody's TV set. They end up bitching to the FCC. Then the FCC sends the little black van to your area.
I never thought that they ever caught anybody. Until I saw some press clippings about some guy whose equipment was confiscated and he paid a hefty fine.
Well you say, I am not going to interfere with somebody's TV, the frequency is too high.
Then you end up interfering with somebody's cell site, or somebody's direct TV, in the future it will be TV all over again with HDTV micro signals. But I can guarantee before you interfere with any of the above, there is one thing you _will_ interfere with -
Aunt Myrtles old electric organ down the street. Every neighborhood including yours has one - an electric organ. They will pick up _any_ miss directed RF no matter the frequency. They are especially good with hi-power CB.
I personally don't use CB. I did have one once, and when I did turn it on, a couple of times. It seemed that there was this guy who would flip his multi-KW on at 8 oclock and slam my needle. Then he would go about making these weird slow throat noises with reverb mixed in.
It's those dumbshits that piss me off. I suppose I could have triangulated him quite easily with a couple of electric organs - or toasters for that matter. Then I could have stuck a needle in his coax and smoked his ass out - just never got around to it.
Just this last fourth some worker was killed when the fireworks spontaneously ignited that was being set up. It has been theorized that stray RF was to blame. My experience with the CB idiot certainly has me thinking. Frequency too high or just a little more power?? Just don't interfere with a plane's navigation system and send it down.
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Yes, that is the case Church did indeed demonstrate much the same thing with 'Lambda Calculus'. But Turing gave what was really needed - a simple and elegant way of visualizing 'computable numbers' with the Turing machine. Interestingly, he invented it ten years before the first computer was even built! He had no way to build an actual model.
The history of this is very interesting. It's curious that the invention of the Turing machine is more philosophical than scientific. Church's Lambda Calculus was scientific. Where's Ken Burns when you need him?
Another person you won't hear about is Kurt Goedel. His 'incompleteness' theorem fundamentally changed mathematics. How important is mathematics to all of science??
While the poll seems to be more for entertainment than actual reflection on humanity's 19th century, it is an interesting question on who really had the most far reaching influence. Is there somebody that has been ignored or overlooked?? Or is the poll more about popular notables? Another question, will the most influential person of the century be a Nobel prize winner?
I know that there are a couple people who should have received the Nobel prize, died before there discoveries became apparent - I can not think of them off hand - any help?
agreed, smallpox vaccine was 18th century, were talking man of the year for the 19th century.
They're gonna don they're UFO halloween costumes so they can spam-er-email the aliens and attract them here. Sort of like throwing a couple of decoy ducks on the duck pond. Anybody sending spam to aliens must think aliens are really really dumb. Then again all it takes is just that one response out of say, fifty zillion.
The only problem is any aliens who would respond are too dumb to have the technology to respond. There goes the $60,000 investment. DOH!!!!!!
I suppose if it doesn't work out the spammers can go back to cutting crop circles.
I guess that means that some alien race is going to really "Black Hole" the earth now. Good going for humanity.
I always thought that spammers were ex-Citizen Band users with a computer. I guess this sort of proves it. 'cept they are using their old C band satellite dish that they were going to throw anyway. Just like a spammer to say 'make $60,000 in your spare time' or 'this is a $60,000 investment'. Yeah, right. It's their old garage door opener for crying out loud.
Breaker, Breaker, calling all aliens -er- I know how you can fix your credit. Sheesh.
Once a spammer, always a spammer. Or a spammer by any other technology is still a spammer.
That would be John Bardeen, Walter Brattain and William Shockley, Inventors of the transistor. E-V-E-R-Y-B-O-D-Y uses the transistor. Without which Linus would be programming an abacus -er- Eniac.
Need to vote for a computer geek?? Then that would have to be Alan Turing, who gave us computability theory, of which I do not believe we have seen the full effects of yet.
But lets get even more real. We could have lived without the transistor. Sure, alot of us would be glass blowers instead of hackers.
As humans, how much pain and lives have been saved by having penicillin? In 1928 Alexander Fleming discovered an 'accidental' mold in one of his petri dishes that would save countless lives. Both in war and peace. If you are looking for sheer numbers of people affected by one thing, that would have to be close to the top.
Along this line, look at Jonas Salk, who created the first polio vaccine. How many children can live without the fear of this horrid disease now?? But thats not what makes him a good choice. He spent his life travelling the world to foster peace among all people. You need a hero??? he would be a very good choice.
Slashdotters, get real and go back and change your dumbass choices.
Obviously this is a geek poll. If people were polled leaving the grocery store, Linus would not make the top 1000. In fact, as more non-geeks are polled online I bet he drops off the list.
Those stupid boiler plate licenses that 99.99% of the public never reads have finally come to life. The question is will the average non-programmer consumer understand that they are going to be 'information raped' by dumb companies that write bloated, buggy, code.
I guess that it is time that GNU be branded as consumer friendly. Maybe Stallman was onto something when he was insisting that all linux distros use the 'GNU' name.
The consumer needs 'education' in this area, that they can not let 'whack on command' software into their homes and onto their hardrives.
Is this going to be one of those silent 'nobody cares enough to make a noise' laws?? Who is going to inform the general public??
Do you think Balmer and friends is _really_ scared??? After all, they have infinite resources to do or buy anything they want to.
Clearly this is a plan to lure linux geeks into a sense of complacency, or to swell their heads to think that they are accomplishing more than they really are.
Because down deep Balmer knows that giving away free pop in Redmond is'nt enough anymore. But he knows that all he needs to do is add free candy machines with stale twinkies. He'll have more geek developers knocking on his door than he'll know what to do with.
My guilty pleasure hobby is ergonomics on the cheap. I found this office chair that looks like it was made in the seventies. This injection molded wonder is not fancy, but it is curved just right, the armrests are just in the right place to have a keyboard on your lap, and has a sturdy spring to allow reclining. I'm not saying that all office chairs are good, because they aren't. I gave up a nice leather one for this one.
You won't find any chrome on this baby either. Just a wide sturdy steel base, that you feel perfectly safe when leaning back.
It's soft blue carpet padding just has the right amount padding that forms to you but doesn't hide the firmness of the curved injection molded backing that feels good on your back.
It's a little grungy looking, and I suppose that they would not 'look good' in today's modern office. That's probably why it was there. But my butt is real happy.
All this for $5.00 at thrift store.
I just wish I had bought both of them.
I suppose that you could find another one like this and unscrew it from the base and make something like that swedish ergo chair with the computer between your legs. You could probably do the whole thing for $100. But why change a work of art?
My take; ergonomics is about functional proportions, not style.
NPR did a nice story on whacking the universe instantaneously.
You can listen to what all the math means on this story about
Vacuum Decay
that the correct URL is
Vacuum Decay Here
See, it could be just like that, snapped somewhere unexpected.
Forget about the little ol' black hole doing the earth fantasy, but how about doing the entire universe in less time than a twink of an eye. NPR did a nice little piece on something called
Vacuum Decay
A scary mathematical possibility, however slight.
you're too high to bail. Or breath, or otherwise escape. Parachutes are useless. Flotation cushions become irrelevant. Getting stuck in orbit could be a lot worse than being stuck on a runway. When you technicolor yawn, it wouldn't go in the sack and would be real hard to clean up. They probably wouldn't have a stewardess pushing a little drink cart down the middle, as turbulence at Mach 25 would make that difficult to handle.
If you want commercial space travel, go to Disneyland.
when it became available, so I could dump my roomate, who was from India. All five precious square feet were so unbelievably glorious. Somebody once said that you have to live in a dorm once just to experience what it is like. I agree, but I can't say I would return. Especially not here in Utah. Now if I were to return to a real pardy hardy school (e.g. Arizona) I might would think about it for about 1 second, but that's all. Ah, the memories.
No, this is not an off topic post, so don't mod me down! If you were like me you were too bloomin' poor to have a 'real' computer. This was before the goodness of Linux. So listen carefully - this is what you need to do..
Every school I know of has a 'surplus' office, where they send there unwanted equipment. So check there first. What you want to find is one of those 'pizza box' computers that were popular with many schools because of their space saving properties. Well, now they have to send them away because of Windoze bloated code.
A local school is selling them for $25 - $50. Some local computer shop recently had a garage sale and 'gave' me a couple rather than haul them back in at the end of the day. Another shop has a 'dollar bin' for isa cards that they toss in when they do upgrades. (Found a dollar sound card). Yet another shop had a cheap $5.00 dx4 100 overdrive proccessor for sale. (yes, scrounging a'la cheapo is in my blood - I'm a nerd, I can't help it).
From the same surplus office I picked up a gateway 15' crystal scan like new - $30 - I have seen them around for as low as $20, and free if u -fix, not too hard if you have a couple you can swap boards with. So you could do it for $75, or even less.
Why bother? my fellow slashdotters may ask. You get a true minimum footprint computer. You will find it easier/cheaper to upgrade and maintain in the long run. You will appreciate it more. You can use all the money you save on spring break or a used laptop. It's just the principal of the thing. I mean, if a Jedi has to make his own light saber, shouldn't a nerd make his own computer???
as it is dropping the bales of coke out over the Florida Keys. You really don't need to deal with encryption technology to track them with radar, do you???
This is not a wonderful idea considering what third world countries have done in the past. Why should we even give money to a country for food let alone internet access when many dictators stash it in their swiss bank accounts?? Look at Indonesia's dictator Suharto and all the money the IMF has given him in the past, only for him to build palaces for his family accross the country. What about the Philippines and the late Ferdinand Marcos and Imelda's shoe collection?? They still haven't been able to find the all the money. How about the former Nigerian dictator Sani Abacha?? His prisons were filled with political dissenters. Do you think he would have wanted them to have free and easy communication??
Annother question - how do people who work for 25 cents an hour afford a computer??
Many third world countries do need assistance, and access to communication can only be a good thing for them. Which also begs the question, If the country is given an internet infrastructure, would the leaders of the country allow the citzenry open access??
there just going to spam you crap from now on. You'll miss licking those stickers when your fingers start aching after deleting all the e-crap
Forget the open source movement for a moment. It seems that the lifetime for computer hardware is incredibly short. By keeping the source to driver software closed manufactures accomplish;
t ml
1) Decrease the life of the product, shortening support obligations.
2) Hide any shortcomings to their hardware product, saving on warranty obligations.
3) Forcing the consumer to upgrade by preventing product 'enhancments', or fixing 'problems'
4) Reveal design shortcomings to the competition.
Some wise man said that a there are two reasons someone does something. A good reason, and the _real_ reason. The arguement that it protects proprietarty technology is in most instances completely false, as many chip makers release 'reference' designs to many hardware manufactures, who in turn make only small changes to the basic design. And any valid 'proprietary' enhancements there may be are quickly undone when the next competing product hits the market. So companies are left with the real reason - less hassle and more money.
I do not think that is enough that you argue politely the benifits of open source. Consumers are going have to get tired of being on the endless upgrade mill of expensive hardware and the expensive bloated code to use it. How much power do you need to write a letter or balance a checkbook?
Maybe then we would see real innovation in the computer industry instead of creeping featurism.
The only way that you are going to see open source from a manufacture is if it is legislated by congress answering the demand of angry consumers who catch on. IBM's Aptiva MWAVE is a classic example of the above. Cut and paste the link below into your browser.
http://members.aol.com/mbs1058/mwave/classact.h
NOVA on PBS had a show on what the Russian moon landing plans was. They had video of the prototype moon lander. There are steam trains that looked more modern. That's what is creepy. I am glad that their program was iced. It would have been bad to see something like that fly. I could be wrong on it's space worthiness, but it looked scary to me.
Thats what I remember of the movie. They end up running into the desert, but never quite make it to reveal the truth to the public. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. I'm surprised this has'nt sprung up into a topic for comparison on this thread yet.
after the crash and they retrieved the bodies from the crew compartment, they were put into blue plastic garbage cans, loaded onto a flatbed truck, and covered with a tarp. Some grainy news photo at the time seem to support this is what happened. Another story goes further and has them being taken away under the cover of darkness. Does anyone remember seeing any hearsts???
and missed your submissions. Obviously he didn't find one. He can afford one now that got all that money from anover.
:))
I'm sorry for the convoluted tie-in to prevent off topic moderation, but I could'nt resist.
I can't wait until .web annd other extensions are released by ICANN, then we can deal with these same lOOzers all over again. Maybe they can reform the rules a little to prevent cybersquatting, such as a limit to the number of unused domains you can have. Starting out at even 1000 would get rid of most of them. They are the few, the dumb, the pigs.
There is these little black vans with just 'FCC' on the side. I really didn't believe that they existed until I saw one with its 10 or more antenna on top.
Higher power is not a problem until you start interfering with somebody's TV set. They end up bitching to the FCC. Then the FCC sends the little black van to your area.
I never thought that they ever caught anybody. Until I saw some press clippings about some guy whose equipment was confiscated and he paid a hefty fine.
Well you say, I am not going to interfere with somebody's TV, the frequency is too high.
Then you end up interfering with somebody's cell site, or somebody's direct TV, in the future it will be TV all over again with HDTV micro signals. But I can guarantee before you interfere with any of the above, there is one thing you _will_ interfere with -
Aunt Myrtles old electric organ down the street. Every neighborhood including yours has one - an electric organ. They will pick up _any_ miss directed RF no matter the frequency. They are especially good with hi-power CB.
I personally don't use CB. I did have one once, and when I did turn it on, a couple of times. It seemed that there was this guy who would flip his multi-KW on at 8 oclock and slam my needle. Then he would go about making these weird slow throat noises with reverb mixed in.
It's those dumbshits that piss me off. I suppose I could have triangulated him quite easily with a couple of electric organs - or toasters for that matter. Then I could have stuck a needle in his coax and smoked his ass out - just never got around to it.
Just this last fourth some worker was killed when the fireworks spontaneously ignited that was being set up. It has been theorized that stray RF was to blame. My experience with the CB idiot certainly has me thinking. Frequency too high or just a little more power?? Just don't interfere with a plane's navigation system and send it down.
I wish everyone's business well, but I gotta be honest here. I just do not see a large groundswell of userbase forming.
Just a bunch of daytraders looking for the next 'tech' IPO they think that they can schmooze a buck from.
I'd bet more people use FORTH than Be.