He didn't shoot him for texting, he shot him after he turned out to be a complete asshole over it and started throwing popcorn.
An armed society is a polite society. Sometimes an example has to be made.
The article doesn't say the victim threw anything, so kudos on reading comprehension.
Also, how THE FUCK can you reference Heinlein's "polite society" quote in this case? The shooter carried a gun, probably looking for a confrontation, got into one, and decided to kill an unarmed man.
If you think that's "polite", then I guess I won't expect you to hold the door for me.
How is that wrong? It uses all sorts of resources which we are going to run out of. It's analogous to being on a desert island and eating all your food supplies in the first week. It's stupid.
First, we're not running out of the timber, glass, or slate that make up most of the materials, so you're just wrong to begin with.
Second, it does use some energy, but who are you to tell me not to build it? If you raise children, do they sleep in one room with you, or are there multiple bedrooms? Do you have a living room in addition to the kitchen? Do you drive a car? HOW DARE YOU?
Have you ever flown on a jet to a vacation? Again, what gall you have to use resources we are running out of.
I visited with a relatively prosperous family in a village in Peru. One room, no electricity, no plumbing, the herd of guinea pigs (food for special occasions) in the middle of the floor. If they were feeling judgmental, they'd certainly see little difference between you and I.
You're like the woman in the joke where she would have sex with someone for a million dollars, but is offended at the idea of doing it for a hundred dollars.
That is, we've already established what you are, now we're just haggling over the price.
You put words in my mouth again, a common tactic of yours. I never said Europe doesn't have its own problems.
Yes, I'm American. I guess the next thing you'll say is that I must hate my country, I'm not patriotic, blah blah blah. I love the U.S., I wouldn't live anywhere else. But an actual patriot recognizes the faults of his country as well as the virtues. Your view is a false black and white version of the truth. Witness that you responded only to a parenthetical comment in my post, and not the gist of it, which had nothing to do with the relative merits of countries.
Pay attention when you're closing the garage door. Build up a modicum of awareness as you're doing it, take a mental snapshot of the door as it's closed, take a mental snapshot of you testing that it's locked...
Or you know, buy yourself an expensive crutch that will only work for that particular application and will have no side benefits on any other part of your life and which keeps you from growth and mastery.
Grasshopper, you will have finished your training when you can slide into bed and tell me whether you have locked the garage door...
Ever lived in a house with a built-in intercom? Find yourself using it? Don't feel bad. No one else does, either.
You earned the +5 Informative with this bit alone. I've bought several houses, constructed in the late 80's into the 90's, and part of the tear out always included getting rid of the stupid intercoms. Intercom in each of the kids' rooms on the second floor, 30 feet from the door, really?
Part of living with a spouse for over 30 years involves formal courtesy (Heinlein was right about that), and buzzing someone from the master bedroom instead of walking down the damn stairs and talking to them is discourteous.
WTF do you need to ask questions that are really none of your business?
Since we all live on a planet with finite resources, overconsumption of limited resources is everyone's business.
Since you probably live in one of the western civilized societies (yes, I know, the U.S. doesn't exactly fit that description), you are already a locust in comparison to the rest of the world, part of the plague that is devouring the planet's resources, just from the means used to produce your food, and deliver the energy you use for transportation, computers, etc. So the difference between you and a guy building a 4,000 s.f. house is not as sharp to the onlookers as you might imagine. Not even if you compost and drive a Prius.
Myself, I'm putting an addition on my house for a 4 season sunroom with indoor swimming pool, that will bring my house to about 4,200 s.f. total. That's for me and the wife (and a few Bostons).
I can afford it, and it will put a nice chunk of cash in the local economy. How is that wrong, exactly?
Oh, and to remain on topic: I'm just running coax for cable to the addition. Wireless internet to the router in the nearby family room is plenty of reliable bandwidth for my needs. That's really the answer; it depends on what you want.
"Only their civilizations." Only - okay, we'll call the Battle of Cajamarca a jostling - in that "battle" the heroic Spaniards ambushed and slaughtered thousands of Atahualpa's unarmed entourage. Yes, sneak attacks using technology unknown to your victims is quite effective.
We'll stick with your assertion that the Spaniards "only" wiped out the Incan civilization. As I have seen from your posts, you consider civilization to be the most precious attribute of any people.
Why do you consistently push your supposed superior knowledge of... well, all things, but your philosophy and politics always turn out to be horrid?
High schoolers get (and some understand) F = ma......and to dismiss it as "the average high-schooler is an idiot" doesn't advance the civilization (yeah, I'm looking at you, DexterIsADog).
Wow, did you really write that, AC? You think only "some" high school students in physics class understand that force equals mass times acceleration?
Um, huh? The "Plumbers" break-in of Ellsberg's psychiatrist's office by Liddy, Hunt, and CIA officers was... "blue-collar"? Those senior administration officials were just lunch pail lunks, timeclock punching blue collar blokes? What in the world are you smoking?
But, regardless... my goodness, using the IRS as a political weapon *would* be serious. If the President had done that.
He didn't. Serious, non teabag-wearing people generally agree about that.
Feynman liked to talk in bumper stickers, to play to the audience. You gave a good example. I don't agree with your conclusion (which is not necessarily what he meant), that if they don't take the time to translate that they're not doing what they should, unless by "moving too fast for their own good" you mean, "liable to suffer loss of support and funding because non-physicists don't get it."
I agree that the electorate should understand what a politician means when he talks about "the 47%, the takers", because that's going to translate into public policy if that politician is elected. It seems the last part of your post advocates educating to produce better laypeople, not just reining in the eggheads. I definitely agree.
Wow, that's a cliché I haven't seen expressed in a while. "Of course, engineers could understand it, if only those eggheads would stop their babblin' and talk like folks who work for a living."
That's ridiculous. Physics is largely advanced mathematics that takes more than the practical knowledge of the average engineer.
Your claim makes you sound pretty ignorant. So, no wonder you would "ignore" it.
I think the next greatest feat in physics will not be a new discovery, but just figuring out how to explain the current state of knowledge to a high school student. How can the field progress if only a handful of people actually understand the information we now possess?
I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Are you saying we should only pursue theories and bodies of knowledge if the average idiot can understand them? I'm sure you'll agree that if it makes sense for physics, it makes sense for all areas, including... engineering.
So say goodbye to television, GPS (oops, there's some relativity physics in that too), computers of all sorts, and possibly even non-electronic internal combustion engines.
I'm willing to continue relying on people who deal in knowledge I don't understand, as long as I'm satisfied they're constrained by peers who are incented to find flaws in their arguments to keep them honest.
Hell, most people don't understand what *I* do for a living, and I'm just a senior manager in healthcare information systems.
You probably need to factor in the fact that it is a local story in the NYC market. In my opinion, anything that happens in the NYC market gets amplified much more than other stories based on the fact that NYC is the center of media coverage.
To be fair, it's not just the media concentration. New York is the largest, most important city in the nation.
But we won't. When Nixon did similar stuff, the Republican senators went to him and told him it was time to go. He resigned in disgrace.
Gee, I missed the news when Obama's burglars were caught breaking into the office of the psychiatrist for one of the enemies on his list, and was discovered to be paying bribes to silence witnesses.
Can you throw me a link? No? Just to discussions of policies you don't like? Oh, okay.
I'm disappointed in Obama, but I do wish he'd get caught doing something to compare to Nixon - only I'd like that something to be similar to the creation of the EPA.
The entire portfolio should have put into the public domain. That's the price that should be paid in these kinds of things.
To me that sounds entirely unreasonable. So could you explain your reasoning?
I was going to just ignore the GP until I saw your post, and thought about it. I guess it goes like this:
A: Hey! You're infringing our patents and here's why! B: Nuh-uh! Judge: I concur; nuh-uh. Find in favor of B. A: Curses! Judge: A, all of the patents you were defending now belong to the peeples. The Peeples: Sweet!
My guess is the GP is generally hostile to patents, maybe to all IP. His philosophy might be, "music wants to be free! (to live on my iPod)"
Well, given that the U.S. was founded as a country in the 18th century, and for comparison, tour guides in Paris dismiss anything younger than 500 years as "contemporary", yeah, that's pretty long lost.
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He didn't shoot him for texting, he shot him after he turned out to be a complete asshole over it and started throwing popcorn.
An armed society is a polite society. Sometimes an example has to be made.
The article doesn't say the victim threw anything, so kudos on reading comprehension.
Also, how THE FUCK can you reference Heinlein's "polite society" quote in this case? The shooter carried a gun, probably looking for a confrontation, got into one, and decided to kill an unarmed man.
If you think that's "polite", then I guess I won't expect you to hold the door for me.
The *absolute* best outcome would be if a stray bullet had hit a fucking Anonymous Coward in the theater, and he bled out. Slowly.
You need to keep a sense of proportional response.
Shooting someone to death during the movie is justified. However, during the previews, it is reasonable to just wing him.
How is that wrong? It uses all sorts of resources which we are going to run out of. It's analogous to being on a desert island and eating all your food supplies in the first week. It's stupid.
First, we're not running out of the timber, glass, or slate that make up most of the materials, so you're just wrong to begin with.
Second, it does use some energy, but who are you to tell me not to build it? If you raise children, do they sleep in one room with you, or are there multiple bedrooms? Do you have a living room in addition to the kitchen? Do you drive a car? HOW DARE YOU?
Have you ever flown on a jet to a vacation? Again, what gall you have to use resources we are running out of.
I visited with a relatively prosperous family in a village in Peru. One room, no electricity, no plumbing, the herd of guinea pigs (food for special occasions) in the middle of the floor. If they were feeling judgmental, they'd certainly see little difference between you and I.
You're like the woman in the joke where she would have sex with someone for a million dollars, but is offended at the idea of doing it for a hundred dollars.
That is, we've already established what you are, now we're just haggling over the price.
Actually, if you can answer the question about the garage door when you don't have one, that really IS a zen achievement.
You put words in my mouth again, a common tactic of yours. I never said Europe doesn't have its own problems.
Yes, I'm American. I guess the next thing you'll say is that I must hate my country, I'm not patriotic, blah blah blah. I love the U.S., I wouldn't live anywhere else. But an actual patriot recognizes the faults of his country as well as the virtues. Your view is a false black and white version of the truth. Witness that you responded only to a parenthetical comment in my post, and not the gist of it, which had nothing to do with the relative merits of countries.
one of the western civilized societies (yes, I know, the U.S. doesn't exactly fit that description)
Will every country that has put a man on the moon raise their hand? (Don't make us wish it was you.)
Will every country that ensures their children can eat raise their hand? (Sadly, the U.S. does not qualify.)
I agree the U.S. was more civilized (in some respects) when our men walked on the moon FORTY YEARS AGO. I don't think that correlation is causation.
Pay attention when you're closing the garage door. Build up a modicum of awareness as you're doing it, take a mental snapshot of the door as it's closed, take a mental snapshot of you testing that it's locked...
Or you know, buy yourself an expensive crutch that will only work for that particular application and will have no side benefits on any other part of your life and which keeps you from growth and mastery.
Grasshopper, you will have finished your training when you can slide into bed and tell me whether you have locked the garage door...
Ever lived in a house with a built-in intercom? Find yourself using it? Don't feel bad. No one else does, either.
You earned the +5 Informative with this bit alone. I've bought several houses, constructed in the late 80's into the 90's, and part of the tear out always included getting rid of the stupid intercoms. Intercom in each of the kids' rooms on the second floor, 30 feet from the door, really?
Part of living with a spouse for over 30 years involves formal courtesy (Heinlein was right about that), and buzzing someone from the master bedroom instead of walking down the damn stairs and talking to them is discourteous.
WTF do you need to ask questions that are really none of your business?
Since we all live on a planet with finite resources, overconsumption of limited resources is everyone's business.
Since you probably live in one of the western civilized societies (yes, I know, the U.S. doesn't exactly fit that description), you are already a locust in comparison to the rest of the world, part of the plague that is devouring the planet's resources, just from the means used to produce your food, and deliver the energy you use for transportation, computers, etc. So the difference between you and a guy building a 4,000 s.f. house is not as sharp to the onlookers as you might imagine. Not even if you compost and drive a Prius.
Myself, I'm putting an addition on my house for a 4 season sunroom with indoor swimming pool, that will bring my house to about 4,200 s.f. total. That's for me and the wife (and a few Bostons).
I can afford it, and it will put a nice chunk of cash in the local economy. How is that wrong, exactly?
Oh, and to remain on topic: I'm just running coax for cable to the addition. Wireless internet to the router in the nearby family room is plenty of reliable bandwidth for my needs. That's really the answer; it depends on what you want.
"Only their civilizations." Only - okay, we'll call the Battle of Cajamarca a jostling - in that "battle" the heroic Spaniards ambushed and slaughtered thousands of Atahualpa's unarmed entourage. Yes, sneak attacks using technology unknown to your victims is quite effective.
We'll stick with your assertion that the Spaniards "only" wiped out the Incan civilization. As I have seen from your posts, you consider civilization to be the most precious attribute of any people.
Why do you consistently push your supposed superior knowledge of... well, all things, but your philosophy and politics always turn out to be horrid?
High schoolers get (and some understand) F = ma... ...and to dismiss it as "the average high-schooler is an idiot" doesn't advance the civilization (yeah, I'm looking at you, DexterIsADog).
Wow, did you really write that, AC? You think only "some" high school students in physics class understand that force equals mass times acceleration?
You must think they're stupider than I do!
You're just trolling... again.
Well, rock on. Don't let it bother you that I don't reply.
But ask yourself... why do you run into assholes all day long? It's probably because *you're* the asshole.
Um, huh? The "Plumbers" break-in of Ellsberg's psychiatrist's office by Liddy, Hunt, and CIA officers was... "blue-collar"? Those senior administration officials were just lunch pail lunks, timeclock punching blue collar blokes? What in the world are you smoking?
But, regardless... my goodness, using the IRS as a political weapon *would* be serious. If the President had done that.
He didn't. Serious, non teabag-wearing people generally agree about that.
Feynman liked to talk in bumper stickers, to play to the audience. You gave a good example. I don't agree with your conclusion (which is not necessarily what he meant), that if they don't take the time to translate that they're not doing what they should, unless by "moving too fast for their own good" you mean, "liable to suffer loss of support and funding because non-physicists don't get it."
I agree that the electorate should understand what a politician means when he talks about "the 47%, the takers", because that's going to translate into public policy if that politician is elected. It seems the last part of your post advocates educating to produce better laypeople, not just reining in the eggheads. I definitely agree.
Wow, that's a cliché I haven't seen expressed in a while. "Of course, engineers could understand it, if only those eggheads would stop their babblin' and talk like folks who work for a living."
That's ridiculous. Physics is largely advanced mathematics that takes more than the practical knowledge of the average engineer.
Your claim makes you sound pretty ignorant. So, no wonder you would "ignore" it.
I think the next greatest feat in physics will not be a new discovery, but just figuring out how to explain the current state of knowledge to a high school student. How can the field progress if only a handful of people actually understand the information we now possess?
I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Are you saying we should only pursue theories and bodies of knowledge if the average idiot can understand them? I'm sure you'll agree that if it makes sense for physics, it makes sense for all areas, including... engineering.
So say goodbye to television, GPS (oops, there's some relativity physics in that too), computers of all sorts, and possibly even non-electronic internal combustion engines.
I'm willing to continue relying on people who deal in knowledge I don't understand, as long as I'm satisfied they're constrained by peers who are incented to find flaws in their arguments to keep them honest.
Hell, most people don't understand what *I* do for a living, and I'm just a senior manager in healthcare information systems.
or something less stupid, instead?
It doesn't make any sense to say that it's one big thing, but not one big thing at the same time.
Kind of like saying it's not one big cake sliced into wedges, it's lots of little cakes that have nothing to do with each other.
AND YET THEY OCCUPY THE SAME PLATTER.
Yes, and we call that platter... the multiverse, so we can discuss the cake we inhabit. Which is quite moist and delicious, by the way.
Get used to it.
Yes, I know the AC was quoting Lovecraft. I meant I agreed, the summary made me think of Lovecraft too.
I wasn't certain at first the quote was his, because it didn't contain the word, "tenebrous".
You probably need to factor in the fact that it is a local story in the NYC market. In my opinion, anything that happens in the NYC market gets amplified much more than other stories based on the fact that NYC is the center of media coverage.
To be fair, it's not just the media concentration. New York is the largest, most important city in the nation.
But we won't. When Nixon did similar stuff, the Republican senators went to him and told him it was time to go. He resigned in disgrace.
Gee, I missed the news when Obama's burglars were caught breaking into the office of the psychiatrist for one of the enemies on his list, and was discovered to be paying bribes to silence witnesses.
Can you throw me a link? No? Just to discussions of policies you don't like? Oh, okay.
I'm disappointed in Obama, but I do wish he'd get caught doing something to compare to Nixon - only I'd like that something to be similar to the creation of the EPA.
Either way neither the Aztecs nor Incas were part of Western civilization. The settlers from Europe were.
That's correct. The Aztecs and Incas were *wiped out* by some of those "settlers".
The entire portfolio should have put into the public domain. That's the price that should be paid in these kinds of things.
To me that sounds entirely unreasonable. So could you explain your reasoning?
I was going to just ignore the GP until I saw your post, and thought about it. I guess it goes like this:
A: Hey! You're infringing our patents and here's why!
B: Nuh-uh!
Judge: I concur; nuh-uh. Find in favor of B.
A: Curses!
Judge: A, all of the patents you were defending now belong to the peeples.
The Peeples: Sweet!
My guess is the GP is generally hostile to patents, maybe to all IP. His philosophy might be, "music wants to be free! (to live on my iPod)"
Well, given that the U.S. was founded as a country in the 18th century, and for comparison, tour guides in Paris dismiss anything younger than 500 years as "contemporary", yeah, that's pretty long lost.
Mod parent up. This was my first thought, "it sounds like the beginning of a creepy New England story that H.P. Lovecraft wrote."