I'll bet Carnivore looks for PGP keys and snarf's 'em up too.
So? That's the point of public key cryptography. Having your public key doesn't allow them to decrypt anything you send, nor to forge signatures from you. You don't need Carnivore to get public keys, they're supposed to be published as widely as possible.
I hate to burst your bubble, mate, but it's not "idiots like me" that invented suitcase nuke bombs, biological weapons, and Ryder trucks.
With the exception of the Ryder trucks (why did you bring that up?) they were invented by the government. Not idiots like you. I'll bet you sat at home drinking beer and shadowboxing with your TV, rooting for the cops during the Seattle WTO protests.
There was this Timothy McVeigh guy who had some "non-mainstream" political views. Good thing he had his privacy, we wouldn't want the government infringing on that!
Well, maybe you should read up on the other Timothy Mc Veigh and maybe get a clue about what privacy means.
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That's why you have to run the junkbuster proxy. Surf their shitty site and never request a single ad image. Fuck Fred Moody.. (Wasn't he the kid on Lost In Space?):)
If this is for a science class, I saw a great science fair project which used a Commodore 64 to measure the speed of sound.. The computer triggered a noise, and listened for the echo from a fixed distance. The barometric pressure was also measured and the experiment was repeated everyday for a month or two...
Hey! I have Gigs and Gigs of MP3s, and guess what? I paid for all of them on CD! This is exactly the point of this discussion: I bought the CDs and I have a right to recode them and to put my physical CDs in storage if I want to.
> One of the problems that those of us watching this case have had in our > analysis and understanding is that we are so > passionate about the issue of being able to create free software > to play DVD's, and the threat of the DMCA to the continued development > of free software, that we are overlooking the specifics of this > particular case. > > In the case against Corey, we have a situation where the prosecution > is saying that Corey is trafficking in an illegal software program > that violates the DMCA. The defense, on the other hand, has been > arguing that Corey is a JOURNALIST!!! and that the links to the > DeCSS program is a protection of the 1st Amendment, protected > Free Speech and an issue of Freedom of the Press. > > In this light, actually, the issue of the DMCA is actually a side > show altogether. The real issue is can the court suppress the > Press from reporting the location and contents of DeCSS, > regardless of any violation of the DMCA.
First of all, it's Corley. (pronounced Gold-stein)
Let me enlighten you on some fine points of the DMCA:
Sec.1201(a)(1)(A) of the DMCA hasn't even taken effect yet. [DMCA] 1201. Circumvention of copyright protection systems (a) VIOLATIONS REGARDING CIRCUMVENTION OF TECHNOLOGICAL MEASURES. (1) (A) No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title. The prohibition contained in the preceding sentence shall take effect at the end of the 2-year period beginning on the date of the enactment of this chapter. [/DMCA]
That 2-year period hasn't yet expired.. In the interim, the Library of congress was charged with holding hearings about exempted works. The interesting part of this case, isn't that Emmanuel is charged with copyright infringement under 1201(a)(1)(A), but that he's charged with copyright infringement under 1201(a)(2)(A,B,C) [DMCA] 1201. Circumvention of copyright protection systems (a) VIOLATIONS REGARDING CIRCUMVENTION OF TECHNOLOGICAL MEASURES. (2) No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof, that-- (A) is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title; (B) has only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title; or (C) is marketed by that person or another acting in concert with that person with that person's knowledge for use in circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title. [/DMCA]
There is no 2-year waiting period on 1201(a)(2). It is in effect right now, and has been in effect since 1998. So it's not accurate to say that the real issue is regardless of violations of the DMCA.. The DMCA itself puts these restrictions on the press and on every other American.
Garbus himself was predicting a defeat. At least that's what he was saying at the Legal Panel at H2K. That was before the trial even started, though. I think that the trial went extremely well for the defense (I attended as much as I could), but will ultimately be decided in appeal.
Slackware is behind the race on some stuff, and they only make an intel distro, but ZipSlack and this SmartDisk Slack are among the most handy things they've done... Portable Linux is not to be underrated... I'm always finding myself at hostile computers, and I love just running my own little Linux on it for a few minutes and then just rebooting it and having it be none-the-wiser..
Well, the trial is about presenting evidence in the form of testimony. Evidence isn't going to make this or that constitutional or not. The evidence being entered is focusing more on the piracy aspect, because that is something that you can get people on the stand and testify to. On Friday, an internet backbone expert and a video digital signal processing expert testified... Both of them concentrated mostly on debunking the piracy concerns of the MPAA. The DSP expert did, however, make a few statements about how he needed to use DeCSS to get a vast library QUALITY digital test video for his department's research.
Actually, the trial is about a block away from Chinatown... That's where the photo was taken.. I recognize the bank in the background. It is very much where the trial is held... And I believe this was taken on the opening day of the trial...
Well, this is a natural step after globalization. Hmm.. Maybe they're strip-mining cheese? I mean, think about it.. The moon is well known to be the most abundant source of cheese in the solar system.. It makes total sense that Pizza Hut should be kicking off a space program to harness some of this vast natural resource. When they can provide a 10 pound "Cheese Lover's Pizza" for $0.10, we'll see who's laughing...
> After all this case has been destined to fail from the very beginning thanks > to the vast and unfied forces lined up against it. Whilst we all know > that DeCSS is a perfectly legal piece of software designed to > facilitate playback under Linux, I think that very few people outside > of/. and similar sites has any clue that this is anything other than a > tool for the rampant piracy of DVDs.
Well, that's somewhat true.. A lot of the people I handed flyers to outside the courthouse today thought that DeCSS was actually Napster and it was very difficult to re-educate some of them. I'd explain a bit about DeCSS and the case and about fair use rights, etc... and then they'd be like, "um, so then you get on the internet and you can play the movies there?" and show that I just wasted 10 minutes on them.
It appear that he has already done so.. This was IMO a move by Garbus to get that motion (and its denial by the Judge) on record... When the record is reviewed on appeal, the easter egg opens and we win! hooray!
Slashdot Mirror
Okay, you got me...
Watch an episode of "Making the Band"
Um.. no thanks.
A visit from Saint Ignutius is as big a deal
as Jesus or even Harry Potter!
ask Jesus about the GNU
Philosophy..
I'll bet Carnivore looks for PGP keys and snarf's 'em up too.
So? That's the point of public key cryptography. Having your public key doesn't allow them to decrypt anything you send, nor to forge signatures from you. You don't need Carnivore to get public keys, they're supposed to be published as widely as possible.
The British wanted (and still do)
the ability to read everyone's email..
Right.. I guess he forgot that Stalin, Mao and
Hitler operated independently of their governments.
What's with people these days?
I hate to burst your bubble, mate, but it's not "idiots like me" that invented suitcase nuke bombs, biological weapons, and Ryder trucks.
With the exception of the Ryder trucks (why did you bring that up?) they were invented by the government. Not idiots like you. I'll bet you sat at home drinking beer and shadowboxing with your TV, rooting for the cops during the Seattle WTO protests.
There was this Timothy McVeigh guy who had some "non-mainstream" political views. Good thing he had his privacy, we wouldn't want the government infringing on that!
Well, maybe you should read up on the
other
Timothy Mc Veigh
and maybe get a clue about what privacy means.
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>Presumably they will need a warrant to use any information they gather anyway.
The trick is to use illegally acquired information to find out where to start legally listening.
This is a no-brainer, folks.
Really, what's the big bitching deal at the
FBI? The ISP can track user's email in 2
seconds.. Watch this..
for SUSPECT in `cat
echo "/var/spool/mail/fbi" >> ~$(SUSPECT)/.qmail
done
Why do they want to put a box at the ISP?
That's why you have to run the junkbuster proxy. Surf their shitty site and never request a single ad image. Fuck Fred Moody.. :)
(Wasn't he the kid on Lost In Space?)
If this is for a science class,
I saw a great science fair project
which used a Commodore 64 to measure the
speed of sound.. The computer triggered
a noise, and listened for the echo from
a fixed distance. The barometric pressure
was also measured and the experiment
was repeated everyday for a month or two...
>If I can prove you gave Timmy McVeigh the recipe >for a high-yield fertilizer bomb, you can be held >liable in the crime.
Doubtful.
Hey! I have Gigs and Gigs of MP3s, and guess
what? I paid for all of them on CD!
This is exactly the point of this discussion:
I bought the CDs and I have a right to recode
them and to put my physical CDs in storage if I want to.
Mr Brooklyn writes:
> One of the problems that those of us watching this case have had in our
> analysis and understanding is that we are so
> passionate about the issue of being able to create free software
> to play DVD's, and the threat of the DMCA to the continued development
> of free software, that we are overlooking the specifics of this
> particular case.
>
> In the case against Corey, we have a situation where the prosecution
> is saying that Corey is trafficking in an illegal software program
> that violates the DMCA. The defense, on the other hand, has been
> arguing that Corey is a JOURNALIST!!! and that the links to the
> DeCSS program is a protection of the 1st Amendment, protected
> Free Speech and an issue of Freedom of the Press.
>
> In this light, actually, the issue of the DMCA is actually a side
> show altogether. The real issue is can the court suppress the
> Press from reporting the location and contents of DeCSS,
> regardless of any violation of the DMCA.
First of all, it's Corley. (pronounced Gold-stein)
Let me enlighten you on some fine points of the DMCA:
Sec.1201(a)(1)(A) of the DMCA hasn't even taken effect yet.
[DMCA]
1201. Circumvention of copyright protection systems
(a) VIOLATIONS REGARDING CIRCUMVENTION OF TECHNOLOGICAL MEASURES.
(1)
(A)
No person shall circumvent a technological
measure that effectively controls access to a work protected
under this title. The prohibition contained in the preceding sentence
shall take effect at the end of the 2-year period beginning on the
date of the enactment of this chapter.
[/DMCA]
That 2-year period hasn't yet expired.. In the interim, the Library of
congress was charged with holding hearings about exempted works.
The interesting part of this case, isn't that Emmanuel is charged with
copyright infringement under 1201(a)(1)(A), but that he's charged
with copyright infringement under 1201(a)(2)(A,B,C)
[DMCA]
1201. Circumvention of copyright protection systems
(a) VIOLATIONS REGARDING CIRCUMVENTION OF TECHNOLOGICAL MEASURES.
(2)
No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public,
provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device,
component, or part thereof, that--
(A)
is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of
circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls
access to a work protected under this title;
(B)
has only limited commercially significant purpose or
use other than to circumvent a technological measure that effectively
controls access to a work protected under this title; or
(C)
is marketed by that person or another acting in concert
with that person with that person's knowledge for use in circumventing
a technological measure that effectively controls access
to a work protected under this title.
[/DMCA]
There is no 2-year waiting period on 1201(a)(2).
It is in effect right now, and has been in effect since 1998.
So it's not accurate to say that the real issue is regardless
of violations of the DMCA.. The DMCA itself puts these restrictions
on the press and on every other American.
NYTimes wrote:
> Corley posted the software on his Web site,
> 2600.com, and in his print publication,
> ''2600: The Hacker Quarterly.''
This isn't true.. It only appeared on the website.
Journalists never fucking get it right.
Garbus himself was predicting a defeat.
At least that's what he was saying
at the Legal Panel at H2K.
That was before the trial even started, though.
I think that the trial went extremely well for
the defense (I attended as much as I could),
but will ultimately be decided in appeal.
Slackware is behind the race on some stuff, and
they only make an intel distro, but ZipSlack
and this SmartDisk Slack are among the most
handy things they've done... Portable Linux
is not to be underrated... I'm always
finding myself at hostile computers, and I
love just running my own little Linux on it
for a few minutes and then just rebooting
it and having it be none-the-wiser..
The scary thing is that that's exactly what
the DMCA is!!
Well, the trial is about presenting evidence
in the form of testimony. Evidence isn't
going to make this or that constitutional or not.
The evidence being entered is focusing more
on the piracy aspect, because that is something
that you can get people on the stand and testify
to. On Friday, an internet backbone expert
and a video digital signal processing expert
testified... Both of them concentrated mostly
on debunking the piracy concerns of the MPAA.
The DSP expert did, however, make a few statements
about how he needed to use DeCSS to get a vast
library QUALITY digital test video for his department's research.
Actually, the trial is about a block
away from Chinatown... That's where the photo
was taken.. I recognize the bank in the background. It is very much where the trial
is held... And I believe this was taken
on the opening day of the trial...
Well, this is a natural step after globalization.
Hmm.. Maybe they're strip-mining cheese?
I mean, think about it.. The moon is well
known to be the most abundant source of cheese
in the solar system.. It makes total sense
that Pizza Hut should be kicking off a space
program to harness some of this vast natural
resource. When they can provide a 10 pound
"Cheese Lover's Pizza" for $0.10, we'll see
who's laughing...
> After all this case has been destined to fail from the very beginning thanks /. and similar sites has any clue that this is anything other than a
> to the vast and unfied forces lined up against it. Whilst we all know
> that DeCSS is a perfectly legal piece of software designed to
> facilitate playback under Linux, I think that very few people outside
> of
> tool for the rampant piracy of DVDs.
Well, that's somewhat true..
A lot of the people I handed flyers to
outside the courthouse today thought
that DeCSS was actually Napster and it was very
difficult to re-educate some of them.
I'd explain a bit about DeCSS and the case
and about fair use rights, etc... and then they'd be like, "um, so
then you get on the internet and you can play the movies there?"
and show that I just wasted 10 minutes on them.
It appear that he has already done so..
This was IMO a move by Garbus to get
that motion (and its denial by the Judge)
on record... When the record is reviewed
on appeal, the easter egg opens and we win!
hooray!