It's not about how frequently exploits and/or fixes arise for the particular services you run - it's all about how quickly and effectively you can deploy defensive measures It's not about how many people are shooting at you, it's all about how quickly you can duck.
There are 27 different ways of doing foo on Linux, whereas Microsoft offers a clear, standard solution. Which is why Microsoft has trouble walking and chewing gum at the same time. Apply pressure and Microsoft's solution is neither clear nor standard.
The BIG LIE. Sounds plausible, but so preposterous that your opponent is left speechless. Wasn't there something a few years back about "Zero Administration"?
With the GPL, the buyer does actually own the software. He can do anything he pleases with it. Except restrict equivalent rights to anyone he sells it to.
If you use gcc source to make a compiler, it's GPL regardless of what you use to comple the compiler. If you create an independent compiler and compile it with gcc, it is not GPL.
I'm sure the companies are all money hungry, but somehow I don't think any of them would accept any of the others using Liberty Alliance as their own private data source. There's more than one degree of separation going on here.
Do you work for Red Hat? You certainly seemed very biased, most likey you are a major stockholder or executive of some Linux company. Why else would you spend so much time defending Linux? Hmmph. I'd guess that he's using one of the BSDs. How do you count Code Red attacks on apache?
Businesses would never buy an OS that locks them out of their proprietary applications. Since when? With very few exceptions, that is what they've always done.
Think of it as one hour every 12 years. That's *after* dealing with all the one-in-a-million things that *do* happen. That's including any and all "planned maintenance".
Is this a case of unconcious shilling for the Microsoft version upgrade treadmill? If you've messed around with multiple versions of Microsoft Windows, you soon learn to treat any new version with extreme suspicion. New versions of Microsoft Windows tend to break things, ususally things that you are very dependent on. I would take the headline as meaning that Cygwin/XFree86 running on XP is "news". ( Cygwin/XFree86 running on older versions of Microsoft Windows is no longer "news";)
Slashdot dosen't PRETEND to be an unbiased news source, they put their Bias right up front where everyone is aware of it and can take that into account when reading it.
Yes, that's exactly why slashdot has absolutely no credibility whatsover. In their zeal to show the horrible, evil deeds of Microsoft, they have been wrong or only have half the story countless times. They show no remorse and continue their rabid anti-MS quest when they continue to use Windows.
Strange. I've found Slashdot to be an indispensable resource for supporting Microsoft Windows. Where else can you get breaking news about Melissa, Love Bug, Code Red, Nimda, etc? It took microsoft.com three days for a search on Code Red to show any results. Occasionally some other useful technical information, but they always seems to come from the Microsoft bashers instead of the Microsoft supporters.
Good one! I'll never use macros, functions, classes, or the stl again! "Look, I wrote a program which does the exact same thing as another program, but mine is worth much, much more!"
Costs much, much more. Almost certainly. Worth much, much more. Maybe.
With the cheaper way, you are at the mercy of the subroutines (of whatever binding) that you are using. The price is some variant of DLL hell. With the more expensive way, everything is or can be optimized for exactly what you are doing. You don't need to solve problems you don't have. The price is a vastly larger scope of responsibility.
Which is better depends of course on the context. Good example of the difficulties of defining any rational metric on software.
The publication date in 'kaldifjördur' is the original date of publication in 'kaldifjördur'. The publication date everywhere else is when you started selling it everywhere else. You're protected by the original date of publication, methinks, only if the victim read the offending stuff from a book originally sold in 'kaldifjördur'.
I don't know anybody that just turns off the PC anymore I've found that Microsoft Windows is a lot more survivable if you hit reset or the power button when it starts acting up.
Even if you're presenting stuff to specialists, you need to be a little more vague and pseudomathematical for people to understand. The problem with always using "well-agreed mathematical definitions" is that not everybody understands them. And not everybody agrees as to exactly what those "well-agreed" mathematical definitions should be. They do tend to get pretty well sorted out over time, but it does take time and effort. Continuity is usually defined in terms of epsilons and deltas, valid enough in metric spaces, but the concept itself is valid for non-metrizable spaces which do not have distance functions. Is point-set topology a prerequisite for freshman calculus? Is measure theory a prerequisite for statistics? Ever wanted to work with both discrete and continuous statistics at the same time?
"What's with their inane system restore function and the SystemFileProtection crap?" Making the world safe for Microsoft worms and viruses. All those things that execute when they want to, not when you want them to.
my attitude is, if you have a problem with a microsoft product call them or call a consultant. Best laugh I've had all week. Rude or not, his best chance of getting a useable answer is from a distinctly anti-Microsoft discussion site. Think about it. Gives a pretty good idea of what Microsoft's support is really worth.
don't mix correlation with causality - don't misinterpret "many bugs on ms, few bugs on OSS" to "ms causes many bugs", as there may be other causes of those bugs.
Intriguing. Bugs cause Microsoft? Somebody other than Microsoft is putting the bugs in?
Software has bugs. Sometimes exploitation of those bugs, if they're severe enough, can allow an attacker to run code on the target system. This is not a flaw unique to Windows.
OpenBSD has bugs. Microsoft Windows has bugs.
One remote hole in the default install, in nearly 6 years. Exploit of the week, with things like gopher holes never closed.
each any every one of MS's flaws are exposed here for the hecklers to go on and on about how much MS sucks I wish. Then I could just patch them and be done with it.
I could go on for hours with examples of major issues that Slashdot has refused to publish You "could" but you don't.
Last I checked, 82.845 WAS a rational number... Yes. In Lisp (actually has rationals) and COBOL (Packed decimal) and IBM 7074 (decimal floating point!) No. In Pascal, C, FORTRAN (binary floating point).
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It's not about how frequently exploits and/or fixes arise for the particular services you run - it's all about how quickly and effectively you can deploy defensive measures
It's not about how many people are shooting at you, it's all about how quickly you can duck.
There are 27 different ways of doing foo on Linux, whereas Microsoft offers a clear, standard solution.
Which is why Microsoft has trouble walking and chewing gum at the same time.
Apply pressure and Microsoft's solution is neither clear nor standard.
The BIG LIE.
Sounds plausible, but so preposterous that your opponent is left speechless.
Wasn't there something a few years back about "Zero Administration"?
With the GPL, the buyer does actually own the software. He can do anything he pleases with it. Except restrict equivalent rights to anyone he sells it to.
If you use gcc source to make a compiler, it's GPL regardless of what you use to comple the compiler. If you create an independent compiler and compile it with gcc, it is not GPL.
Open Source.
When failure is not an option.
Well, do you think you could have a back office without a back door?
I'm sure the companies are all money hungry, but somehow I don't think any of them would accept any of the others using Liberty Alliance as their own private data source. There's more than one degree of separation going on here.
Might be right at that. ...
Code Red is one.
Nimda is two.
Do you work for Red Hat? You certainly seemed very biased, most likey you are a major stockholder or executive of some Linux company. Why else would you spend so much time defending Linux?
Hmmph. I'd guess that he's using one of the BSDs.
How do you count Code Red attacks on apache?
Businesses would never buy an OS that locks them out of their proprietary applications.
Since when?
With very few exceptions, that is what they've always done.
Think of it as one hour every 12 years. That's *after* dealing with all the one-in-a-million things that *do* happen. That's including any and all "planned maintenance".
Is this a case of unconcious shilling for the Microsoft version upgrade treadmill? ;)
If you've messed around with multiple versions of Microsoft Windows, you soon learn to treat any new version with extreme suspicion. New versions of Microsoft Windows tend to break things, ususally things that you are very dependent on. I would take the headline as meaning that Cygwin/XFree86 running on XP is "news". ( Cygwin/XFree86 running on older versions of Microsoft Windows is no longer "news"
Slashdot dosen't PRETEND to be an unbiased news source, they put their Bias right up front where everyone is aware of it and can take that into account when reading it.
Yes, that's exactly why slashdot has absolutely no credibility whatsover. In their zeal to show the horrible, evil deeds of Microsoft, they have been wrong or only have half the story countless times. They show no remorse and continue their rabid anti-MS quest when they continue to use Windows.
Strange. I've found Slashdot to be an indispensable resource for supporting Microsoft Windows. Where else can you get breaking news about Melissa, Love Bug, Code Red, Nimda, etc? It took microsoft.com three days for a search on Code Red to show any results. Occasionally some other useful technical information, but they always seems to come from the Microsoft bashers instead of the Microsoft supporters.
Good one!
I'll never use macros, functions, classes, or the stl again!
"Look, I wrote a program which does the exact same thing as another program, but mine is worth much, much more!"
Costs much, much more. Almost certainly.
Worth much, much more. Maybe.
With the cheaper way, you are at the mercy of the subroutines (of whatever binding) that you are using. The price is some variant of DLL hell.
With the more expensive way, everything is or can be optimized for exactly what you are doing. You don't need to solve problems you don't have. The price is a vastly larger scope of responsibility.
Which is better depends of course on the context.
Good example of the difficulties of defining any rational metric on software.
The publication date in 'kaldifjördur' is the original date of publication in 'kaldifjördur'. The publication date everywhere else is when you started selling it everywhere else. You're protected by the original date of publication, methinks, only if the victim read the offending stuff from a book originally sold in 'kaldifjördur'.
I don't know anybody that just turns off the PC anymore
I've found that Microsoft Windows is a lot more survivable if you hit reset or the power button when it starts acting up.
then, as nothing was copied, a sane judge would have to find the copyright isn't applicable.
NOTHING was copied, regardless of the source.
Even if you're presenting stuff to specialists, you need to be a little more vague and pseudomathematical for people to understand.
The problem with always using "well-agreed mathematical definitions" is that not everybody understands them.
And not everybody agrees as to exactly what those "well-agreed" mathematical definitions should be. They do tend to get pretty well sorted out over time, but it does take time and effort.
Continuity is usually defined in terms of epsilons and deltas, valid enough in metric spaces, but the concept itself is valid for non-metrizable spaces which do not have distance functions. Is point-set topology a prerequisite for freshman calculus?
Is measure theory a prerequisite for statistics? Ever wanted to work with both discrete and continuous statistics at the same time?
"What's with their inane system restore function and the SystemFileProtection crap?"
Making the world safe for Microsoft worms and viruses. All those things that execute when they want to, not when you want them to.
my attitude is, if you have a problem with a microsoft product call them or call a consultant.
Best laugh I've had all week.
Rude or not, his best chance of getting a useable answer is from a distinctly anti-Microsoft discussion site. Think about it. Gives a pretty good idea of what Microsoft's support is really worth.
don't mix correlation with causality - don't misinterpret "many bugs on ms, few bugs on OSS" to "ms causes many bugs", as there may be other causes of those bugs.
Intriguing.
Bugs cause Microsoft?
Somebody other than Microsoft is putting the bugs in?
Correlation does not imply lack of causality.
IBM's cheddar.com commercial is pretty good.
Software has bugs. Sometimes exploitation of those bugs, if they're severe enough, can allow an attacker to run code on the target system. This is not a flaw unique to Windows.
OpenBSD has bugs.
Microsoft Windows has bugs.
One remote hole in the default install, in nearly 6 years.
Exploit of the week, with things like gopher holes never closed.
And how does microsoft plan to establish any serious trust with Palladium?
You can fool some of the people all of the time.
each any every one of MS's flaws are exposed here for the hecklers to go on and on about how much MS sucks
I wish. Then I could just patch them and be done with it.
I could go on for hours with examples of major issues that Slashdot has refused to publish
You "could" but you don't.
Last I checked, 82.845 WAS a rational number...
Yes. In Lisp (actually has rationals) and COBOL (Packed decimal) and IBM 7074 (decimal floating point!)
No. In Pascal, C, FORTRAN (binary floating point).