Actually, if there was a breach and it compromised operational data (definitely secret/top secret stuff...), it would be an issue of National Security as well as the PR nightmare you mention.
And just because the systems are supposed to be air-gapped, we all know that this is a fun process and doesn't always get done right. People are in the mix and people make mistakes all the time.
You know... An Anti-virus program is like closing the barn door AFTER the horses have all went on walk-about. It only works on stuff that was identified by the anti-virus companies and they have some sort of signature data on the malware- which it's my understanding that they wouldn't have been any better protected in this case, no signatures or they'd have had a solid handle on it and not lost anywhere near as much operational intelligence.
Placing your faith in a piece of software that protects against stuff after the fact is a bad idea. Much like placing your faith solely in antibiotics to keep you healthy instead of taking better health precautions.
Ah...but that would get in way of the "ease of use" of the OS.
They make a big deal about ease of use, but what nobody from that camp is willing to tell you is that ease of use almost always prevents any semblance of real security, leading to an easy "pwn4g3" for the script kiddies. For real security (and requiring goofy passwords ISN'T that, folks...), you're going to have some reduction in "ease of use". You don't auto launch stuff, for example.
If they didn't intend for something to autoexecute, it's a problem. Much like Sony's infamous rootkit, you don't expect to insert a removable storage device and have something surreptitiously install a trojan onto your machine- and there's no interaction from the user past plugging in the device, you really don't know you've been had until well after the fact.
Innovative was the MacOS environment. Innovative was PalmOS when it first came out.
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1. derived. 2. not original; secondary.
Windows 95 was derivative. It didn't really bring "new" concepts and methods to the table- save for Microsoft product users. Which, you have to admit, is the very thing you stated.
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They'd dropped the codename because of all the "all blow and no go" jokes being made. It took Microsoft FOREVER to get the silly thing out and they rolled out a less stable product than the last RC they pushed out to the beta testers. And we won't go into the horrors they inflicted on the developer beta testers that got pre-betas... >;-D
Indeed. However, it also highlights a problem with Oracle's cluster implementation. I'm thinking it's a fencing problem- which doesn't account for things like leap seconds. They rely on having the machines in perfect lock-step and if they're not, the cluster hangs itself to protect data integrity.
You'd be right- it usually only takes one guy to smooth out the few inconsistencies in what you'd use for game development on MacOS and what you'd use in Linux (which is either the same or mostly so...) and then resolving packaging issues.
The reason it's "small" is because there's few people doing anything gaming-wise for Linux. Ryan Gordon and myself being part of that small crowd. Without gamers, there's "no gaming"- and without games there's few gamers.
Excuse me. Wal-Mart allegedly carried that torch and didn't really do it... And definitely NOT for 10 years like you represent.
You couldn't find Mandriva (?) on the shelves after the first couple of months as the management within the region killed it off the shelves because it "wasn't selling" and you just couldn't find it- which is about the story with damned near anything Wal-Mart sells (If it doesn't sell within 2-3 months, it's not ordered for a store pretty much ever again so they can make space for stuff that does sell. Splenda based stuff is a hard-sell situation as another example of this- and I know, I'm a diabetic AND allergic to Aspartame.). Store-front, those Linux based machines were pretty much nonexistent- and it was hell getting them from the online store.
It's hardly carrying the torch- and Dell, HP, and Lenovo did a better job of that and we all KNOW how well they did that over the last 10.
In all honesty, I don't know why you got modded "interesting".
The jurisdiction of a state ends at it's state lines- period. A law in New York does not apply to me unless I'm physically IN the state, regardless of what the state says on the matter. Civil stuff won't have you extradited to that state- and there's strict limits to what they can/can't do to you when you weren't in the state to begin with. They also have strict limits on what they can/can't do to you if you're not currently within the state when the trial is held when you are subject to their jurisdiction. (For example, if I am not properly served (and there is a process even for out-of-state parties...), any default judgement is void out of the gate. There's a few other roadblocks like this on this same front- there's a reason nobody bothers with this stuff...usually...)
If I do business with a citizen within that state, there is really only one way that I can expose myself in a manner that the State's actual laws might be fully and properly applied against me (and only IN the Federal courts...) by "remote"- if I have some civil matter that exceeds $75000 in that state, they may drag me into the Federal court of their district and have it tried there. There's a due process item in the mix and they can't just arbitrarily sue you for something out of state just because you had a contact with a person present in the state or residing therein.
What I suspect has happened with Topix, is that they violated some Federal statute in the small and the AG's went after them with a nasty PR campaign more than anything else for political gains.
The real moral of the story here is the same one that Professor Duane's lecture covered- you are under no obligation to give ANY official of the government any information without a proper Warrant signed by a Judge. While I strongly suspect that they were quite guilty of the "offense" in question- had they not "complied" with the request they got from those AG's they'd not have been in the mess we're now discussing- because they wouldn't have had anything for the PR campaign they ran against Topix and they'd probably not have anything to go on for the Federal suit they were threatening.
Ubuntu doesn't ship with anything other than the OpenOffice.org stuff as best as I can tell. If wikipedia's listing things the way you're describing, it's in need of an edit as it's wrong.
More like the infamous one...SCO vs. IBM's not something I'd be proud of if I were a Lawyer on the SCO side of things. They are perilously close to having promulgated a nonexistent case. In many jurisdictions, running up a case like that one is illegal for the plaintiff and the attorney.
No, they didn't fail in the sense they lost money. But the SCO vs. IBM suit hasn't been finished. This is just the SCO vs. Novell part you're talking about. IBM's going to be able to make Lanham Act violations stick and be able to pierce the corporate veil and be able to go looking for the corporations behind the action in question (and there should be little doubt about that one- they couldn't have lasted this long without someone big helping out in varying ways...) and be able to sue that party for the acts in question. Might be a financial win on BSF's part, but their client didn't fare very well- and the principals and the people that funded them may not fare well either.
The claimed patents that have clear prior art? If you haven't been in the computer industry for anything less than 10 years, you wouldn't know that Oracle's patents might be running afoul of prior art.
The programming language and the VM are completely differing entities. In fact you can have Python, Ruby and a few other languages running on the JVM, C++ actually included- because the JVM is a virtual machine, an artificial CPU under which things are executed against something of a common execution environment.
Don't munge the two concepts together- because they're not one and the same and the patents they're fielding have NOTHING to do with the Java language, only allegedly the JVM runtime according to the patents Oracle led with.
I'm not on Oracle's side. The stuff they're leading with had prior art ages before Sun filed the stuff. They're NOT an injured party here and you shouldn't be painting them as such.
Nope. It mutilated the Java language with proprietary extensions. Dalvik doesn't pretend to run Java or be it- it only uses it (like a few other runtime environments, actually...) to produce code for it. There's an extra translation step in the mix that takes the Java bytecodes and transforms/ports them over to the other VM environment.
Do not bet anything on that. The GPL projects cut into the licensing- and they're technically attacking a FOSS project right now. What they're lashing out at is licensed under the Apache license. Being GPLed isn't going to keep them from doing anything- if you think the bad blood from attacking a GPL project is going to stay their hand on things, why did they attack the fastest rising handheld OS which was, popular, and FOSS at it's core?
And all one has to do to prove dynarec pre-dates things is go looking for Executor by ARDI or any good emulator from the 90's era. It was the in-vogue thing and there were libraries even to provide RISC and X86 code for synthetic CPU types back during that time.
I'd have to concur. P-Code pre-dates, and anticipates most Java-like VM behaviors and dynamic recompilation covers the rest with prior art existing at least 1-2 years prior to Sun getting the idea to even DO HotSpot- dynarec being basically what you're doing with JIT compilation...
Considering that there is very much PRIOR ART, that dates back to the 1966 and again in the early 70's on that act in question, I don't think that what Oracle's doing is a wise move on their part. They're taking on someone that can actually afford to litigate that position and win- with the end result of Oracle eating the expense of the lawsuit and losing a handful of patents in their portfolio.
I can't imagine what's going through Ellison's mind right now that he'd play this move this way.
We use both terms, and in Mathematics, both are proper. I've had both on High-School and College tests. I was from out of Oklahoma in High School. There should be a hint in that, folks.
I don't get where you're arriving at that. It was typed out, not handwritten. Please, quit making excuses for this stuff- it's part of why we're discussing it; there's a problem there and it's because of people trying to justify why it's "okay" (It's not!) that we're in the situation we're in right now in the USA.
When the old folks said that allowing kids to use calculators in school would ruin their ability do do math in their heads, I pictured them not being to add or subtract. I never pictured them not knowing what the equals sign means.
I pictured both, actually. And it's more a failing of the teachers to teach concepts. If you get the concepts right, the calculator won't mess your ability to do math up. It's a matter of allowing the things in too early in school coupled with bad teaching (not bad teachers, mind... many can't do anything other than what they allow for curriculum...)
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Actually, if there was a breach and it compromised operational data (definitely secret/top secret stuff...), it would be an issue of National Security as well as the PR nightmare you mention.
And just because the systems are supposed to be air-gapped, we all know that this is a fun process and doesn't always get done right. People are in the mix and people make mistakes all the time.
You know... An Anti-virus program is like closing the barn door AFTER the horses have all went on walk-about. It only works on stuff that was identified by the anti-virus companies and they have some sort of signature data on the malware- which it's my understanding that they wouldn't have been any better protected in this case, no signatures or they'd have had a solid handle on it and not lost anywhere near as much operational intelligence.
Placing your faith in a piece of software that protects against stuff after the fact is a bad idea. Much like placing your faith solely in antibiotics to keep you healthy instead of taking better health precautions.
Ah...but that would get in way of the "ease of use" of the OS.
They make a big deal about ease of use, but what nobody from that camp is willing to tell you is that ease of use almost always prevents any semblance of real security, leading to an easy "pwn4g3" for the script kiddies. For real security (and requiring goofy passwords ISN'T that, folks...), you're going to have some reduction in "ease of use". You don't auto launch stuff, for example.
If they didn't intend for something to autoexecute, it's a problem. Much like Sony's infamous rootkit, you don't expect to insert a removable storage device and have something surreptitiously install a trojan onto your machine- and there's no interaction from the user past plugging in the device, you really don't know you've been had until well after the fact.
You misuse "innovative".
Innovative was the MacOS environment.
Innovative was PalmOS when it first came out.
Of note:
Windows 95 was derivative . It didn't really bring "new" concepts and methods to the table- save for Microsoft product users. Which, you have to admit, is the very thing you stated.
They'd dropped the codename because of all the "all blow and no go" jokes being made. It took Microsoft FOREVER to get the silly thing out and they rolled out a less stable product than the last RC they pushed out to the beta testers. And we won't go into the horrors they inflicted on the developer beta testers that got pre-betas... >;-D
Indeed. However, it also highlights a problem with Oracle's cluster implementation. I'm thinking it's a fencing problem- which doesn't account for things like leap seconds. They rely on having the machines in perfect lock-step and if they're not, the cluster hangs itself to protect data integrity.
You'd be right- it usually only takes one guy to smooth out the few inconsistencies in what you'd use for game development on MacOS and what you'd use in Linux (which is either the same or mostly so...) and then resolving packaging issues.
And this is a chicken and the egg issue.
The reason it's "small" is because there's few people doing anything gaming-wise for Linux. Ryan Gordon and myself being part of that small crowd. Without gamers, there's "no gaming"- and without games there's few gamers.
Excuse me. Wal-Mart allegedly carried that torch and didn't really do it... And definitely NOT for 10 years like you represent.
You couldn't find Mandriva (?) on the shelves after the first couple of months as the management within the region killed it off the shelves because it "wasn't selling" and you just couldn't find it- which is about the story with damned near anything Wal-Mart sells (If it doesn't sell within 2-3 months, it's not ordered for a store pretty much ever again so they can make space for stuff that does sell. Splenda based stuff is a hard-sell situation as another example of this- and I know, I'm a diabetic AND allergic to Aspartame.). Store-front, those Linux based machines were pretty much nonexistent- and it was hell getting them from the online store.
It's hardly carrying the torch- and Dell, HP, and Lenovo did a better job of that and we all KNOW how well they did that over the last 10.
In all honesty, I don't know why you got modded "interesting".
The jurisdiction of a state ends at it's state lines- period. A law in New York does not apply to me unless I'm physically IN the state, regardless of what the state says on the matter. Civil stuff won't have you extradited to that state- and there's strict limits to what they can/can't do to you when you weren't in the state to begin with. They also have strict limits on what they can/can't do to you if you're not currently within the state when the trial is held when you are subject to their jurisdiction. (For example, if I am not properly served (and there is a process even for out-of-state parties...), any default judgement is void out of the gate. There's a few other roadblocks like this on this same front- there's a reason nobody bothers with this stuff...usually...)
If I do business with a citizen within that state, there is really only one way that I can expose myself in a manner that the State's actual laws might be fully and properly applied against me (and only IN the Federal courts...) by "remote"- if I have some civil matter that exceeds $75000 in that state, they may drag me into the Federal court of their district and have it tried there. There's a due process item in the mix and they can't just arbitrarily sue you for something out of state just because you had a contact with a person present in the state or residing therein.
What I suspect has happened with Topix, is that they violated some Federal statute in the small and the AG's went after them with a nasty PR campaign more than anything else for political gains.
The real moral of the story here is the same one that Professor Duane's lecture covered- you are under no obligation to give ANY official of the government any information without a proper Warrant signed by a Judge. While I strongly suspect that they were quite guilty of the "offense" in question- had they not "complied" with the request they got from those AG's they'd not have been in the mess we're now discussing- because they wouldn't have had anything for the PR campaign they ran against Topix and they'd probably not have anything to go on for the Federal suit they were threatening.
Ubuntu doesn't ship with anything other than the OpenOffice.org stuff as best as I can tell. If wikipedia's listing things the way you're describing, it's in need of an edit as it's wrong.
More like the infamous one...SCO vs. IBM's not something I'd be proud of if I were a Lawyer on the SCO side of things. They are perilously close to having promulgated a nonexistent case. In many jurisdictions, running up a case like that one is illegal for the plaintiff and the attorney.
No, they didn't fail in the sense they lost money. But the SCO vs. IBM suit hasn't been finished. This is just the SCO vs. Novell part you're talking about. IBM's going to be able to make Lanham Act violations stick and be able to pierce the corporate veil and be able to go looking for the corporations behind the action in question (and there should be little doubt about that one- they couldn't have lasted this long without someone big helping out in varying ways...) and be able to sue that party for the acts in question. Might be a financial win on BSF's part, but their client didn't fare very well- and the principals and the people that funded them may not fare well either.
On what basis do you base this on?
The claimed patents that have clear prior art? If you haven't been in the computer industry for anything less than 10 years, you wouldn't know that Oracle's patents might be running afoul of prior art.
The programming language and the VM are completely differing entities. In fact you can have Python, Ruby and a few other languages running on the JVM, C++ actually included- because the JVM is a virtual machine, an artificial CPU under which things are executed against something of a common execution environment.
Don't munge the two concepts together- because they're not one and the same and the patents they're fielding have NOTHING to do with the Java language, only allegedly the JVM runtime according to the patents Oracle led with.
I'm not on Oracle's side. The stuff they're leading with had prior art ages before Sun filed the stuff. They're NOT an injured party here and you shouldn't be painting them as such.
Nope. It mutilated the Java language with proprietary extensions. Dalvik doesn't pretend to run Java or be it- it only uses it (like a few other runtime environments, actually...) to produce code for it. There's an extra translation step in the mix that takes the Java bytecodes and transforms/ports them over to the other VM environment.
Do not bet anything on that. The GPL projects cut into the licensing- and they're technically attacking a FOSS project right now. What they're lashing out at is licensed under the Apache license. Being GPLed isn't going to keep them from doing anything- if you think the bad blood from attacking a GPL project is going to stay their hand on things, why did they attack the fastest rising handheld OS which was, popular, and FOSS at it's core?
And all one has to do to prove dynarec pre-dates things is go looking for Executor by ARDI or any good emulator from the 90's era. It was the in-vogue thing and there were libraries even to provide RISC and X86 code for synthetic CPU types back during that time.
I'd have to concur. P-Code pre-dates, and anticipates most Java-like VM behaviors and dynamic recompilation covers the rest with prior art existing at least 1-2 years prior to Sun getting the idea to even DO HotSpot- dynarec being basically what you're doing with JIT compilation...
Considering that there is very much PRIOR ART, that dates back to the 1966 and again in the early 70's on that act in question , I don't think that what Oracle's doing is a wise move on their part. They're taking on someone that can actually afford to litigate that position and win- with the end result of Oracle eating the expense of the lawsuit and losing a handful of patents in their portfolio.
I can't imagine what's going through Ellison's mind right now that he'd play this move this way.
We use both terms, and in Mathematics, both are proper. I've had both on High-School and College tests. I was from out of Oklahoma in High School. There should be a hint in that, folks.
I don't get where you're arriving at that. It was typed out, not handwritten. Please, quit making excuses for this stuff- it's part of why we're discussing it; there's a problem there and it's because of people trying to justify why it's "okay" (It's not!) that we're in the situation we're in right now in the USA.
I pictured both, actually. And it's more a failing of the teachers to teach concepts. If you get the concepts right, the calculator won't mess your ability to do math up. It's a matter of allowing the things in too early in school coupled with bad teaching (not bad teachers, mind... many can't do anything other than what they allow for curriculum...)