Would you use a phone company that didnt allow you to speak to the majority of other phone users while other companies did?
Its not a matter of whether I would choose that phone company (which the answer is no) rephrased you should have asked is it smart for that phone company to partake a policy of "our service only"
Many will post about little tidbits here and there, and no one can legitimately give a fruitful answer to facts. Sure we could all throw in suggestions, thoughts, etc., but no one seems to want to post a fact in relevance to this story.
So again I reiterate this notion, at this point I truly feel that Jabber, Gaim, are both trolling and trying to gain popularity by concocting a David (Jabber/Gaim) versus Goliath (AOL) based story.
Really, let's just move on. Instant messaging should be free and open like HTTP and E-mail. Just because some corporations made some closed IM server/clients first does not mean that there is no hope.
Sure instant messaging should be free, and in essence it is. Facts remain in this case, Jabber is using resources from AOL who doesn't want them to.
Facts:
AOL pays for their servers
AOL pays for their bandwidth
AOL has not authorized anyone to use their services
Jabber is outstanding as an IM protocol
Clients like Jabber take away from AOL's revenue
Jabber has the right notion so what's so hard about them going the same route as AOL, by throwing up hundreds of servers and assess their OWN users without having to fsck with AOL?
Personally at this point I think they're just trolling for attention on a David versus Goliath basis. They can set up their own shit without dealing with AOL entirely.
Its AOL's servers and databases Gaim, Faim, and other 3rd party clients, are connecting to.
Jabber has their own little niche forming, and they should look to focus on that instead of rambling on about foobar info concerning AOL.
Either way you look at it SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE THOSE CLIENTS ARE CONNECTING TO AOL's SERVERS.
Why shouldn't AOL bitch about this, in any form they choose, when they're paying for bandwith, etc. Also note that AOL's version of AIM has banner ads, so these 3rd party versions circumvent those ads, which gives AOL another reason to bitch.
Maybe folks at Jabber should look into making some form of revenue sharing with AOL in order to hush them up, whatever the case. AOL has the right to do whatever. Its their SERVERS...
Notably funny is how on their conlusion, they have standby methods to turn to should AOL block them. Now if this doesn't sound like performing an illegal action (theft of services since AOL did not authorize them to use their bandwidth, databases, etc.) then I don't know what is.
Whomever wrote that is just plain stupid as it gives ammo to AOL should they choose to seek legal action.
QUANTICO, Va., April 19 (UPI) -- The Marines are developing small robotic flying machines that can fit into a soldier's backpack and, when called on, fly across battlefields, sending back to him or her video images of enemy positions.
"UAVs have typically provided the upper echelon of military commanders with sensitive reconnaissance but Dragon Eye is intended to empower the foot soldier," said Jim McMains of the Office of Naval Research in Arlington, VA.
All thats left is a remote cd changer, so I won't have to get up, remote chef so I won't have to cook, throw in a clone (just trolling here... I know what a clone is and isn't) to send to work for me, and I'm straight.
On March 24th, BSD accomplished what Linux has been promising for years now. They put the power of Unix into a desktop system and made it available to the masses.
The launch of Mac OS X is turning Apple into the largest distributor of Unix, and more specifically BSD Unix. Now anyone with a desire to run Unix can purchase it for about the same cost as a Microsoft operating system. For the regular user, it looks and acts just like a MacOS user would expect. However, all the features that make it Unix are easily tapped into by the developers and power users who want to take the OS to its limits.
Now, BSD is poised to take over another segment the Linux crowd has been vying for -- the embedded market. Embedded Linux has been a hot topic of late, as new companies are trying to get into the market space.
However, the business-unfriendly GPL has played a key role in keeping Linux from being adopted by major players in the embedded arena. Especially in embedded systems, retailers don't want to be forced to make their code changes available. When you have to heavily adapt the software to work with your hardware and internal systems, the viral GPL can make keeping your code safe impossible. Instead they have chosen the more intellectual-property-friendly BSD license to protect their business interests, while leveraging the Open Source community.
Wind River, already an international player in the embedded systems market, announced today the purchase of BSD/OS from BSDi (not the company, just the rights to the software). The remainder of what was BSDi will be spun off into a hardware company called iXsystems. Inc. The new company will sell high-end server machines pre-loaded with BSD/OS and FreeBSD.
As part of the deal, Wind River has hired Jordan Hubbard to become their principal technologist for FreeBSD. Jordan is one of founders of FreeBSD and
has been the chief PR representative for the project. According to Jordan, FreeBSD will remain unchanged; however, Wind River promises expanded funding for the project -- the primary thing that has been holding it back.
However, the license isn't the only reason BSD was chosen. Wind River executives said there were three reasons. First, that BSD has unparalleled technology. Second, that they love the way the open source BSD is organized compared to the disarray of the multitude of Linux Distributions. And third, the BSD license is very business friendly. It allows customers to build applications without losing intellectual property.
It also allows Wind River to build a seamless solution, combining all of its internal software properties to meet customer needs. When asked why it chose BSD over the other options, the company replied, "Frankly there was no contest."
Wind River will continue to market BSD/OS and leverage FreeBSD as a means of accelerating development and innovation. With Jordan Hubbard on board, they will be able to utilize the 2.5 million users and developers of FreeBSD.
With Wind River targeting the embedded market, and Apple putting BSD on Desktop, BSD's future looks really bright.
Linus who? That cartoon character from Charlie Brown?
Recently released numbers from IDC System Software Research show that "Linux growth in server OS
share has been flat for two quarters, and Unix and Novell continue to fall.
"Meanwhile, Microsoft continues to grow at a faster pace than the rest of the industry and
faster than any other server OS."
IDC manager Al Gillen would not confirm Miller's
analysis.
"We're just finalizing our report for Linux right now, and haven't released those numbers to the
press or the public so I can't comment on specifics. But I can tell you that according to our
preliminary forecast, Linux is moving along nicely. It is certainly not fading away," Gillen said.
Miller asserted that the "industry vision" centers around Web-based services, which allow software
and data to be delivered over networks instead of having to be installed or stored on user's
computers.
And "Microsoft is leading the charge with.Net," said Miller. "Linux is not leading anything, it
is simply providing a 'free' operating system."
Miller also believes that Linux has hidden costs, something he believes is particularly true in the
embedded device market, where developers need to get their products to the market fast.
"Using Linux does not help the developer deliver their product faster," Miller said. "In fact, it
can actually take longer due to platform development work that would not be necessary with a
platform like CE."
Fred Salloum, director of marketing at Applied Data Systems, said that there are tradeoffs in
all operating systems.
"In the case of Linux, the barriers to entry are less monetary and more experiential," said
Salloum, who added that many of Applied Data Systems' Linux-oriented customers who are
seeking rapid production of applications products are either well versed in Linux, or have access
to Linux experts.
"While the Linux community is presently building this support structure, many baseline applications
are still undergoing development. In this context, the existing support structure of CE is quite
beneficial to those who are not so Linux-oriented and are trying to develop their applications
quickly," Salloum said.
Miller also said there is already definite evidence of Microsoft's predicted slowdown in the Linux
marketplace, with "Corel getting out of Linux, (and) VA Linux not meeting the expectations. "For a
so-called exploding market, this should not happen. Sales of actual products are relatively
flat.
"And the pending merger of LinuxCare with TurboLinux is nothing more than a consolidation
to try and salvage each other's businesses."
David LaDuke, vice president of marketing at LinuxCare, disputes those charges, but said he
was "glad to see that the deal registered on Microsoft's public radar. That speaks volumes."
"Both LinuxCare and TurboLinux are heading into the acquisition... from positions of strength,
with major customers and investors in both companies. We have substantial cash reserves,
and this move will only accelerate our profitability within the year," said LaDuke.
"We firmly believe that our combined resources will help to take open-source software deep into
the enterprise, to places where Windows isn't even on the short list."
Aside from all that Stormix, Easel, Slackware, Indera (linux based) all gone... Bye bye...
Which version of BSD did you see on the chopping block within the past
*ENTER_TIME_FRAME_HERE*?
Aside from that how many BSD versus Linux based advisories do you see? What was that I didn't hear
you quite clearly? And after looking at Netcraft's highest uptimes, I sadly had to bow my head to
see there was not one Linux based OS there. In fact there were more BSD's than any, how ironic is
that?
Good to know its out, however I hoped they fixed their moused issues
Apr 20 10:56:20/kernel: psmintr: out of sync (0040 != 0000).
Apr 20 17:25:30/kernel: psmintr: out of sync (00c0 != 0000).
Apr 21 23:45:42/kernel: psmintr: out of sync (0080 != 0000).
Aside from the nitpicking, why isn't this section updated a bit more, there are some good articles regarding the BSD's being posted at sites like DaemonNews, Deadly.org, etc.
p.s. to the moron who always post those moronic "BSD is dying... I think you should take a look at how many Linux distros, and Linux based customers went under these past few months before you troll
I don't expect the user to fix it for me. In the same vein, if there's a driver bug or even a core flaw in Linux it's not my customer's problem. It's mine. Having the source and being able to contribute a patch back so that others won't be bitten is a good thing. It's been a while but I don't recall being able to do that with QNX.
Agreed, but then there lies the question of actually knowing what your internals are like, and as with an OpenSource based system versus closed source binaries, you have that flexibility to fix, change things on your own.
Thats a benefit for using an Open Source OS. Whats more is, you won't have to wait for fixes to be assessed, and patches released, with a good administrative handling of the servers in question, things could be done on your/their own.
Also beneficial to using an Open Source OS as opposed to binary based, is you have the flexibility to audit the codes for maximum reliability, e.g. you can tweak it to your needs to make it faster, more secure, etc.
Huh? I can say: the big three of server operating systems are Solaris, Linux and NT.
You should put your money where your mouth is, and show some supportive proof of these big three. e.g., Yahoo, Apache, Sony's Japan website, formerly Hotmail use FreeBSD, IBM, NYSE, American Express use AIX.
Your post is pointless since thread does not discuss what will be run on the server(s). e.g. If your core webdesigners (programmers included) are extremely comptent with Oracle, Story Server (for Yahoo like pages) your not gonna run your site on NT unless your a dumbass and like headaches.
Aside from that there are many instances of Windows underperforming as a server which sometimes can't cut it, so the mere mention of them is painful
If you look at units shipped, QNX isn't even on the map. They've just started some bizzare marketing blitzes lately (starting with the whole Amiga switcheroo), so wannabes like yourself who know nothing about the embedded market know about QNX.
You should do some research before posting... QNX is used for stuff Windows is likely not competent/reliable/trustworthy(crashmasterWindows) to do. Hell even IBM jumped into the QNX mix. You should read about the uses companies like NASA and Motorolahave for QNX instead of thinking about only running a web and mail server. (theres more to an OS than that you know)
that enables the inclusion of gnome-core inside the linux kernel (expected for 2.6) you have a RTOS with a very small memory footpring. Now talk about bloated!
Now your asking a Linux vendor to take away from giving options to use something other than Gnome. Why not QT? Thats an argument for the masses. But the thought of just using a de facto standard under Linux would be taking away the fun from it all.
But I should also note as in my other post, these aren't the typical "freebie-hobbyist" variants of Linux. Which also makes me point out, why should someone choose to go with embedded Linux over typical Linux, when in harsh reality, not everyone needs an embedded system. Sure its tech-chick, but lets get realistic these are not you (father's oldsmobile;)) typical desktop OS', web based servers.
You just put it in things you *REALLY* want to work.
Indeed it would be a nice idea, however if I'm not mistaken, these embedded Linux systems won't be open sourced, so tweaking code is out of the question;)
Again, maybe I underposted before or something who knows (lack of caffeine), these embedded Linux OS', from my perspective, are not your typical download-for-free-to-play-with-geek-friendly Linux distributions, so to sort of post it here as if, the average/.'er would have access to tinker with them is sort of placing candy in the eyes of a dieter or something similar.
What do failing distributions and/or companies have to do with the viability of Linux as an embedded OS?
Snowball effects. Think about the following scenario, Linux altogether dropping as a whole (could happen, did happen under the NeXT project) and others.
Well reading some of the threads on Embedded Linux, you would know its not going to be an Open Sourced OS as typical Linux is, which means, as a developer, you don't have the luxury of modifications of anything. Which may not be so bad...
Pay for play Linux? Why would I want to pay for for an embedded OS when I could use others that are semi-standards in the industry of embedded OS' (QNX, which Motorola uses, NASA, etc.)
What make this the safe bet when under standard Linux, cmopanies are going bonkers, whats to say an embedded Linux won't go under as well?
Just to be absolutely clear about what I'm saying, in my opinion the "big three" embedded OSes are, at the moment: (1) VxWorks, (2) Embedded Linux, (3) Embedded Windows -- or (1) VxWorks, (2)
Embedded Windows, (3) Embedded Linux -- depending on how you count.
I guess he's never heard of/used QNX, ChorusOSNucleus, or ThreadX. I did however like the gadgets, but taking a look at the last week, with all the Linux related companies going to the dogs, and 4 distributions going "kaput" within less than 6 months time, I would be looking at other alternatives to Linux, especially if my business were going to depend on them.
IMHO that article nor can any other give a definitive insight as to what someone should use to manage their site.
Example, I was using PHP before for my site, and chopped up a random image script for chick pictures, and my server load would go sky high, from loading nothing more than pictures... Now php for content was fine but the pics killed me.
Over to embedded perl. Works well I even use it for certain tasks here and there, but nothing major. Python, well its fine but not suitable for me, since my site is small. I wonder why eperl wasn't mentioned, nor was the latest entry Curl.
Java is a morbid joke under most *nixes, at least in my experiences. SSI is ok but again for heavy content, sites with massive interaction from the server to client, it can become cumbersome too.
Anyways enough ramblings... I do however think I have thee ultimate old school solutions for fixing my site without using any of the above!@!@... Combos of sed/for scripts which till this date have done me more justice maintaining my site;)
P.S. nice colors going on here maybe that shit looking brown over yellow should be changed to this too;)
Who the hell needs marketing? Example: Debian itself has basically zero marketing. Yet it's one of the more popular distros, and it's widely used.
More widely used by whom? Hobbyist? Sure developers that spent their time and effort, are sure glad to know hobbyist who often dl for free to tinker with their OS like their work. Now if only those same hobbyist could help pay for their work to keep it going.
Same with Slackware. The best marketing is word of mouth, and THAT is what matters in this community.
I think you should wake up and smell the coffee brewing. Sure word of mouth is great. Try explaining the differences between an unknown version of Linux your thinking of putting on a production network of your client, to your bosses who only have heard of Redhat (who you could actually get support and not wonder if they're going under next week).
Red Hat may have deep pockets, but that doesn't mean they'll necessarily succeed any more than
anybody else.
You're kidding me? So far RedHat looks to be the last nab standing in the long run, unless Corel can make something happen. (which Corel truly sucks at. All they basically have is a name at this point, and if I'm not mistaken they may have already dropped out of the Linux game)
IMHO I would be highly upset to bring a chick home thinking my house was white when I left, and black and morbid (d(a)emonic) looking when we got there.
so if you're looking for an easy way to install Debian on a machine, better get them while you can.
The only actual version of Linux I could see withstanding the storm is sadly Redhat. Most other versions of Lin have crappy marketing teams.
As for installing Debian, why should someone use Debian versus any other version of Linux out there? The underlying facts remain, Linux is Linux no matter which version you use its all core code, some are easier to use than others, nothing more.
Its this method of thinking that disrupts the company's earnings in the future. Why would you hype up Debian and not Redhat, when in essence at the bare bones they're the same OS?
Factors such as these (judging one over the ther) have a lot of repurcussions on those small companies. PR people, marketers look at what the industry is up to, and fortunately fro Redhat they looked ahead and made more marketing pushes than any other versions of Lin around.
So another Lin company went under... Big deal, where was Slashdot's posting when Stampede all of the sudden disappeared?
Really a shame to see yet another company go that dreaded route. As for another company picking them up, its a highly doubtful move that anyone would budge, and I'll try to explain my views on it.
Market is crappy for tech stocks, sure Greenspan made a move this week, but the market is half of what it once was, which means money is still tight, and even though the past two days have been good, companies have to hold on to their money for future's sake.
With that being said...
Companies like Redhat, Mandrake, etc., fall under this umbrella of saving money, (well RHAT is on the market don't know or care about Mandrake) if they attempted to save every dying Open Source good idea project, they'd have no money for their own companies.
What should be done, is the developers should they not find funding, is post their work to maybe SourceForge or something similar to preserve their work and continue producing until funding comes around.
Pay pal may sound like a good idea, but how many people actually donate to projects like this lets get realistic. Personally I would work under the most limited circumstances if I had to, and if it fullfilled my needs, and would rather donate to something like feeding a needy child or something.
One would hope some of these laws could be a little less brutal for the companies. Don't get me wrong I'm all for privacy by all means, however lawmakers also have to understand, there is no definite way to ensure that whomever is visiting a particular site is overage.
Somehow I can see this falling into a deep damning fight between privacy groups like the ACLU, EPIC, etc., and companies who could be held liable without true reasons. Negligence? I think not, what are some of these companies going to do, create a webcam, fingerprint, biometric system to check ages?
Lets get real about this, sure you could say, well they could use a credit card which would show they're over 13, but then a 13 year old can run into their parents belongings and enter a valid CC number. So where is the move to protect against those companies from being charged with crimes, from being victims themselves?
What I see happening is a mixture of crappily assessed networks created by pundits who have zero skills configuring their networks.
When companies go out of business as well, so do their networks, which means if your on a node with that connection, somewhere along the line your bound to have a broken link.
Sure there are DoS attacks, and there are also fixes for them, so DoS attacks should be 3rd or 4th in line for resolving host names.
Security risks associated with BIND problems could also be to blame for resolving hostnames, in which you could always try different servers for your nslookups to try to resolve them.
Personally I don't think people envisioned what the Internet would be in a few years when they made those statements.
I see no problem with CERT charging people for information, what I think about this is pretty straightfoward...
If a company is going to dish out mega bucks for this service, it could be part of a business write off of some sorts, which if this is the case, its a good move.
On the other hand, CERT isn't as up-to-date with advisories as is Security Focus, which is FREE. So if companies are as stated looking to save money its a bad move, since the information is already freely posted on other security forums.
What I find slightly disturbing is, now I question whether security incidents will not be reported because someone is not a paying customer of CERT, which is totally shady.
Will CERT's new venture withhold information which could hinder the security of products?... Only time will tell...
Slashdot Mirror
Would you use a phone company that didnt allow you to speak to the majority of other phone users while other companies did?
Its not a matter of whether I would choose that phone company (which the answer is no) rephrased you should have asked is it smart for that phone company to partake a policy of "our service only"
Many will post about little tidbits here and there, and no one can legitimately give a fruitful answer to facts. Sure we could all throw in suggestions, thoughts, etc., but no one seems to want to post a fact in relevance to this story.
So again I reiterate this notion, at this point I truly feel that Jabber, Gaim, are both trolling and trying to gain popularity by concocting a David (Jabber/Gaim) versus Goliath (AOL) based story.
Sure instant messaging should be free, and in essence it is. Facts remain in this case, Jabber is using resources from AOL who doesn't want them to.
Facts:
AOL pays for their servers
AOL pays for their bandwidth
AOL has not authorized anyone to use their services
Jabber is outstanding as an IM protocol
Clients like Jabber take away from AOL's revenue
Jabber has the right notion so what's so hard about them going the same route as AOL, by throwing up hundreds of servers and assess their OWN users without having to fsck with AOL?
Personally at this point I think they're just trolling for attention on a David versus Goliath basis. They can set up their own shit without dealing with AOL entirely.
Its AOL's servers and databases Gaim, Faim, and other 3rd party clients, are connecting to.
Jabber has their own little niche forming, and they should look to focus on that instead of rambling on about foobar info concerning AOL.
Either way you look at it SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE THOSE CLIENTS ARE CONNECTING TO AOL's SERVERS.
Why shouldn't AOL bitch about this, in any form they choose, when they're paying for bandwith, etc. Also note that AOL's version of AIM has banner ads, so these 3rd party versions circumvent those ads, which gives AOL another reason to bitch.
Maybe folks at Jabber should look into making some form of revenue sharing with AOL in order to hush them up, whatever the case. AOL has the right to do whatever. Its their SERVERS...
Notably funny is how on their conlusion, they have standby methods to turn to should AOL block them. Now if this doesn't sound like performing an illegal action (theft of services since AOL did not authorize them to use their bandwidth, databases, etc.) then I don't know what is.
Whomever wrote that is just plain stupid as it gives ammo to AOL should they choose to seek legal action.
Encryption Saves the Day
From the Q3 financial statement "We are filing for bankruptcy" at $0.00 per new distro, that makes how many new copies of Slackware and Stormix?
ho ho ho
Is our sed s/President/Resident/g and hist secret plots to change our vocabulary to gbonics
Marines making flying foot soldiers
QUANTICO, Va., April 19 (UPI) -- The Marines are developing small robotic flying machines that can fit into a soldier's backpack and, when called on, fly across battlefields, sending back to him or her video images of enemy positions.
"UAVs have typically provided the upper echelon of military commanders with sensitive reconnaissance but Dragon Eye is intended to empower the foot soldier," said Jim McMains of the Office of Naval Research in Arlington, VA.
(full article)
All thats left is a remote cd changer, so I won't have to get up, remote chef so I won't have to cook, throw in a clone (just trolling here... I know what a clone is and isn't) to send to work for me, and I'm straight.
MTV's True Life exposed
On March 24th, BSD accomplished what Linux has been promising for years now. They put the power of Unix into a desktop system and made it available to the masses.
The launch of Mac OS X is turning Apple into the largest distributor of Unix, and more specifically BSD Unix. Now anyone with a desire to run Unix can purchase it for about the same cost as a Microsoft operating system. For the regular user, it looks and acts just like a MacOS user would expect. However, all the features that make it Unix are easily tapped into by the developers and power users who want to take the OS to its limits.
Now, BSD is poised to take over another segment the Linux crowd has been vying for -- the embedded market. Embedded Linux has been a hot topic of late, as new companies are trying to get into the market space.
However, the business-unfriendly GPL has played a key role in keeping Linux from being adopted by major players in the embedded arena. Especially in embedded systems, retailers don't want to be forced to make their code changes available. When you have to heavily adapt the software to work with your hardware and internal systems, the viral GPL can make keeping your code safe impossible. Instead they have chosen the more intellectual-property-friendly BSD license to protect their business interests, while leveraging the Open Source community.
Wind River, already an international player in the embedded systems market, announced today the purchase of BSD/OS from BSDi (not the company, just the rights to the software). The remainder of what was BSDi will be spun off into a hardware company called iXsystems. Inc. The new company will sell high-end server machines pre-loaded with BSD/OS and FreeBSD.
As part of the deal, Wind River has hired Jordan Hubbard to become their principal technologist for FreeBSD. Jordan is one of founders of FreeBSD and has been the chief PR representative for the project. According to Jordan, FreeBSD will remain unchanged; however, Wind River promises expanded funding for the project -- the primary thing that has been holding it back.
However, the license isn't the only reason BSD was chosen. Wind River executives said there were three reasons. First, that BSD has unparalleled technology. Second, that they love the way the open source BSD is organized compared to the disarray of the multitude of Linux Distributions. And third, the BSD license is very business friendly. It allows customers to build applications without losing intellectual property.
It also allows Wind River to build a seamless solution, combining all of its internal software properties to meet customer needs. When asked why it chose BSD over the other options, the company replied, "Frankly there was no contest."
Wind River will continue to market BSD/OS and leverage FreeBSD as a means of accelerating development and innovation. With Jordan Hubbard on board, they will be able to utilize the 2.5 million users and developers of FreeBSD.
With Wind River targeting the embedded market, and Apple putting BSD on Desktop, BSD's future looks really bright.
Linus who? That cartoon character from Charlie Brown?
Recently released numbers from IDC System Software Research show that "Linux growth in server OS share has been flat for two quarters, and Unix and Novell continue to fall.
.Net," said Miller. "Linux is not leading anything, it
is simply providing a 'free' operating system."
... from positions of strength,
with major customers and investors in both companies. We have substantial cash reserves,
and this move will only accelerate our profitability within the year," said LaDuke.
"Meanwhile, Microsoft continues to grow at a faster pace than the rest of the industry and faster than any other server OS."
IDC manager Al Gillen would not confirm Miller's analysis.
"We're just finalizing our report for Linux right now, and haven't released those numbers to the press or the public so I can't comment on specifics. But I can tell you that according to our preliminary forecast, Linux is moving along nicely. It is certainly not fading away," Gillen said.
Miller asserted that the "industry vision" centers around Web-based services, which allow software and data to be delivered over networks instead of having to be installed or stored on user's computers. And "Microsoft is leading the charge with
Miller also believes that Linux has hidden costs, something he believes is particularly true in the embedded device market, where developers need to get their products to the market fast. "Using Linux does not help the developer deliver their product faster," Miller said. "In fact, it can actually take longer due to platform development work that would not be necessary with a platform like CE."
Fred Salloum, director of marketing at Applied Data Systems, said that there are tradeoffs in all operating systems.
"In the case of Linux, the barriers to entry are less monetary and more experiential," said Salloum, who added that many of Applied Data Systems' Linux-oriented customers who are seeking rapid production of applications products are either well versed in Linux, or have access to Linux experts.
"While the Linux community is presently building this support structure, many baseline applications are still undergoing development. In this context, the existing support structure of CE is quite beneficial to those who are not so Linux-oriented and are trying to develop their applications quickly," Salloum said.
Miller also said there is already definite evidence of Microsoft's predicted slowdown in the Linux marketplace, with "Corel getting out of Linux, (and) VA Linux not meeting the expectations. "For a so-called exploding market, this should not happen. Sales of actual products are relatively flat.
"And the pending merger of LinuxCare with TurboLinux is nothing more than a consolidation to try and salvage each other's businesses."
David LaDuke, vice president of marketing at LinuxCare, disputes those charges, but said he was "glad to see that the deal registered on Microsoft's public radar. That speaks volumes."
"Both LinuxCare and TurboLinux are heading into the acquisition
"We firmly believe that our combined resources will help to take open-source software deep into the enterprise, to places where Windows isn't even on the short list."
Aside from all that Stormix, Easel, Slackware, Indera (linux based) all gone... Bye bye...
Which version of BSD did you see on the chopping block within the past *ENTER_TIME_FRAME_HERE*?
Aside from that how many BSD versus Linux based advisories do you see? What was that I didn't hear you quite clearly? And after looking at Netcraft's highest uptimes, I sadly had to bow my head to see there was not one Linux based OS there. In fact there were more BSD's than any, how ironic is that?
do you fear us?
FreeBSD ritalin 4.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE #0: root@ritalin.deficiency.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/L UCIFER i386
/kernel: psmintr: out of sync (0040 != 0000). /kernel: psmintr: out of sync (00c0 != 0000). /kernel: psmintr: out of sync (0080 != 0000).
Good to know its out, however I hoped they fixed their moused issues
Apr 20 10:56:20
Apr 20 17:25:30
Apr 21 23:45:42
Aside from the nitpicking, why isn't this section updated a bit more, there are some good articles regarding the BSD's being posted at sites like DaemonNews, Deadly.org, etc.
p.s. to the moron who always post those moronic "BSD is dying... I think you should take a look at how many Linux distros, and Linux based customers went under these past few months before you troll
MTV's True Life (unabashed)
I don't expect the user to fix it for me. In the same vein, if there's a driver bug or even a core flaw in Linux it's not my customer's problem. It's mine. Having the source and being able to contribute a patch back so that others won't be bitten is a good thing. It's been a while but I don't recall being able to do that with QNX.
Agreed, but then there lies the question of actually knowing what your internals are like, and as with an OpenSource based system versus closed source binaries, you have that flexibility to fix, change things on your own.
Thats a benefit for using an Open Source OS. Whats more is, you won't have to wait for fixes to be assessed, and patches released, with a good administrative handling of the servers in question, things could be done on your/their own.
Also beneficial to using an Open Source OS as opposed to binary based, is you have the flexibility to audit the codes for maximum reliability, e.g. you can tweak it to your needs to make it faster, more secure, etc.
Huh? I can say: the big three of server operating systems are Solaris, Linux and NT.
) to do. Hell even IBM jumped into the QNX mix. You should read about the uses companies like NASA and Motorolahave for QNX instead of thinking about only running a web and mail server. (theres more to an OS than that you know)
You should put your money where your mouth is, and show some supportive proof of these big three. e.g., Yahoo, Apache, Sony's Japan website, formerly Hotmail use FreeBSD, IBM, NYSE, American Express use AIX.
Your post is pointless since thread does not discuss what will be run on the server(s). e.g. If your core webdesigners (programmers included) are extremely comptent with Oracle, Story Server (for Yahoo like pages) your not gonna run your site on NT unless your a dumbass and like headaches.
Aside from that there are many instances of Windows underperforming as a server which sometimes can't cut it, so the mere mention of them is painful
If you look at units shipped, QNX isn't even on the map. They've just started some bizzare marketing blitzes lately (starting with the whole Amiga switcheroo), so wannabes like yourself who know nothing about the embedded market know about QNX.
You should do some research before posting... QNX is used for stuff Windows is likely not competent/reliable/trustworthy(crashmasterWindows
that enables the inclusion of gnome-core inside the linux kernel (expected for 2.6) you have a RTOS with a very small memory footpring. Now talk about bloated!
;)) typical desktop OS', web based servers.
Now your asking a Linux vendor to take away from giving options to use something other than Gnome. Why not QT? Thats an argument for the masses. But the thought of just using a de facto standard under Linux would be taking away the fun from it all.
But I should also note as in my other post, these aren't the typical "freebie-hobbyist" variants of Linux. Which also makes me point out, why should someone choose to go with embedded Linux over typical Linux, when in harsh reality, not everyone needs an embedded system. Sure its tech-chick, but lets get realistic these are not you (father's oldsmobile
You just put it in things you *REALLY* want to work.
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/.'er would have access to tinker with them is sort of placing candy in the eyes of a dieter or something similar.
Indeed it would be a nice idea, however if I'm not mistaken, these embedded Linux systems won't be open sourced, so tweaking code is out of the question
Again, maybe I underposted before or something who knows (lack of caffeine), these embedded Linux OS', from my perspective, are not your typical download-for-free-to-play-with-geek-friendly Linux distributions, so to sort of post it here as if, the average
What do failing distributions and/or companies have to do with the viability of Linux as an embedded OS?
Snowball effects. Think about the following scenario, Linux altogether dropping as a whole (could happen, did happen under the NeXT project) and others.
Well reading some of the threads on Embedded Linux, you would know its not going to be an Open Sourced OS as typical Linux is, which means, as a developer, you don't have the luxury of modifications of anything. Which may not be so bad...
Pay for play Linux? Why would I want to pay for for an embedded OS when I could use others that are semi-standards in the industry of embedded OS' (QNX, which Motorola uses, NASA, etc.)
What make this the safe bet when under standard Linux, cmopanies are going bonkers, whats to say an embedded Linux won't go under as well?
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Just to be absolutely clear about what I'm saying, in my opinion the "big three" embedded OSes are, at the moment: (1) VxWorks, (2) Embedded Linux, (3) Embedded Windows -- or (1) VxWorks, (2) Embedded Windows, (3) Embedded Linux -- depending on how you count.
I guess he's never heard of/used QNX, ChorusOS Nucleus, or ThreadX. I did however like the gadgets, but taking a look at the last week, with all the Linux related companies going to the dogs, and 4 distributions going "kaput" within less than 6 months time, I would be looking at other alternatives to Linux, especially if my business were going to depend on them.
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IMHO that article nor can any other give a definitive insight as to what someone should use to manage their site.
Example, I was using PHP before for my site, and chopped up a random image script for chick pictures, and my server load would go sky high, from loading nothing more than pictures... Now php for content was fine but the pics killed me.
Over to embedded perl. Works well I even use it for certain tasks here and there, but nothing major. Python, well its fine but not suitable for me, since my site is small. I wonder why eperl wasn't mentioned, nor was the latest entry Curl.
Java is a morbid joke under most *nixes, at least in my experiences. SSI is ok but again for heavy content, sites with massive interaction from the server to client, it can become cumbersome too.
Anyways enough ramblings... I do however think I have thee ultimate old school solutions for fixing my site without using any of the above!@!@... Combos of sed/for scripts which till this date have done me more justice maintaining my site
P.S. nice colors going on here maybe that shit looking brown over yellow should be changed to this too
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Who the hell needs marketing? Example: Debian itself has basically zero marketing. Yet it's one of the more popular distros, and it's widely used.
More widely used by whom? Hobbyist? Sure developers that spent their time and effort, are sure glad to know hobbyist who often dl for free to tinker with their OS like their work. Now if only those same hobbyist could help pay for their work to keep it going.
Same with Slackware. The best marketing is word of mouth, and THAT is what matters in this community.
I think you should wake up and smell the coffee brewing. Sure word of mouth is great. Try explaining the differences between an unknown version of Linux your thinking of putting on a production network of your client, to your bosses who only have heard of Redhat (who you could actually get support and not wonder if they're going under next week).
Red Hat may have deep pockets, but that doesn't mean they'll necessarily succeed any more than anybody else.
You're kidding me? So far RedHat looks to be the last nab standing in the long run, unless Corel can make something happen. (which Corel truly sucks at. All they basically have is a name at this point, and if I'm not mistaken they may have already dropped out of the Linux game)
So who's next with an unsupportive rambling?
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IMHO I would be highly upset to bring a chick home thinking my house was white when I left, and black and morbid (d(a)emonic) looking when we got there.
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so if you're looking for an easy way to install Debian on a machine, better get them while you can.
The only actual version of Linux I could see withstanding the storm is sadly Redhat. Most other versions of Lin have crappy marketing teams.
As for installing Debian, why should someone use Debian versus any other version of Linux out there? The underlying facts remain, Linux is Linux no matter which version you use its all core code, some are easier to use than others, nothing more.
Its this method of thinking that disrupts the company's earnings in the future. Why would you hype up Debian and not Redhat, when in essence at the bare bones they're the same OS?
Factors such as these (judging one over the ther) have a lot of repurcussions on those small companies. PR people, marketers look at what the industry is up to, and fortunately fro Redhat they looked ahead and made more marketing pushes than any other versions of Lin around.
So another Lin company went under... Big deal, where was Slashdot's posting when Stampede all of the sudden disappeared?
No thanks I'll stick to my BSD's.
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Really a shame to see yet another company go that dreaded route. As for another company picking them up, its a highly doubtful move that anyone would budge, and I'll try to explain my views on it.
Market is crappy for tech stocks, sure Greenspan made a move this week, but the market is half of what it once was, which means money is still tight, and even though the past two days have been good, companies have to hold on to their money for future's sake.
With that being said...
Companies like Redhat, Mandrake, etc., fall under this umbrella of saving money, (well RHAT is on the market don't know or care about Mandrake) if they attempted to save every dying Open Source good idea project, they'd have no money for their own companies.
What should be done, is the developers should they not find funding, is post their work to maybe SourceForge or something similar to preserve their work and continue producing until funding comes around.
Pay pal may sound like a good idea, but how many people actually donate to projects like this lets get realistic. Personally I would work under the most limited circumstances if I had to, and if it fullfilled my needs, and would rather donate to something like feeding a needy child or something.
Sorry but reality kills in this game.
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One would hope some of these laws could be a little less brutal for the companies. Don't get me wrong I'm all for privacy by all means, however lawmakers also have to understand, there is no definite way to ensure that whomever is visiting a particular site is overage.
Somehow I can see this falling into a deep damning fight between privacy groups like the ACLU, EPIC, etc., and companies who could be held liable without true reasons. Negligence? I think not, what are some of these companies going to do, create a webcam, fingerprint, biometric system to check ages?
Lets get real about this, sure you could say, well they could use a credit card which would show they're over 13, but then a 13 year old can run into their parents belongings and enter a valid CC number. So where is the move to protect against those companies from being charged with crimes, from being victims themselves?
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What I see happening is a mixture of crappily assessed networks created by pundits who have zero skills configuring their networks.
When companies go out of business as well, so do their networks, which means if your on a node with that connection, somewhere along the line your bound to have a broken link.
Sure there are DoS attacks, and there are also fixes for them, so DoS attacks should be 3rd or 4th in line for resolving host names.
Security risks associated with BIND problems could also be to blame for resolving hostnames, in which you could always try different servers for your nslookups to try to resolve them.
Personally I don't think people envisioned what the Internet would be in a few years when they made those statements.
I see no problem with CERT charging people for information, what I think about this is pretty straightfoward...
If a company is going to dish out mega bucks for this service, it could be part of a business write off of some sorts, which if this is the case, its a good move.
On the other hand, CERT isn't as up-to-date with advisories as is Security Focus, which is FREE. So if companies are as stated looking to save money its a bad move, since the information is already freely posted on other security forums.
What I find slightly disturbing is, now I question whether security incidents will not be reported because someone is not a paying customer of CERT, which is totally shady.
Will CERT's new venture withhold information which could hinder the security of products?... Only time will tell...
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