I can't wait. Florida is a liability. Just think how much better off we'd be without Florida draging us down. *cough*shrub*cough*
That, and mopping up from huricanes every couple years isn't cheap.
That is a truely exceptional idea! I might be able to watch Titanic without gaging with a few of those type of modifications. I'm guessing CleanFlicks won't do it though. DirtierFlicks.com?
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You mean like VRML, with maybe some JavaScript scripting?
I find it interesting that they are considering Linux workstations when there isn't actually a Linux client for their messaging system.
There's OWA (Outlook Web Assr^H^H^H^HAccess, or something like that). It seems to render better in Mozilla than IE 5.5. I've seen it NOT list messages in IE, log in with Mozilla, hey, all your mail really is there.
No, that isn't IE running through WINE either. That was on '95, and I beleive NT4 too. I found it impressive, even more so than the week long email outages.
Now every man and his dog has a PC, things are fast, very GUI and intuitive? there are loads of applications out there.
Wow, where do you live? That certainly doesn't sound like the normal crap joe+dog buys. Joe+dog buys eMachines, low end HPs, and other $300 crap. I assure you that with the 64M of ram and frighteningly slow harddrives that make it into those systems XP/ME is anything but fast. As for intuitive those POS computer Joe+dog buys also comes preloaded with all sorts of useless crap that insists on starting every boot and begging for attention. Joe doesn't intuitivly know why he needs to sign up for AOL & Compuserve when he just got $200 for selling his soul to MSN.
It is gui-er though. With all the expresivness of an infant's picture book.
YES! I can see it now... Record it yourself to save bandwidth, then download an MST3KML package describing the edits and any added audio & video clips:) Hell, I'd buy a TiVo if there was "after market" media like that.
Sadly, it'll never exist unless I get off my ass and do it myself. Oh well, it was a good idea:)
Please do show my the equivilents of any of these documents for any other distribution. I really would like to know what disiplines other distributions apply, but I'm too lazy to look it up myslef. I will read any replys.
"the Debian people"? How exactly are you talking about? The 700+ developers I assume.
Well, Bill O'Reilly better get his butt to the next DebConf when & wherever that materializes. That would be the only time & place you'd be able to get more than 2-3 Debian developers together in meat-space.
> why did EXT get to be the defacto Linux filesystem, rather than UFS?
My understading of the sitation is that it was because until softupdates were implemented UFS was painful. Now, had softupdates been implemented, say, 7-10 YEARS ago when EXT became the Linux de-faco filesystem there might have been a chance.
On the flip side, seeing a good Linux implementation of a BSDish UFS with softupdates would be very nice.
I do. Where shall I send the bz2'd filesystem image with inaccesable files that causes the kerenl to try to read beyond the end of the partition and causes a deadlock every few days. Yes, I've still got it, I havn't re-used that Logical volume yet, I just made a new one for an ext3 filesystem.
Oh, and this is the SECOND time reiser has done that on this server. It didn't seem to appreciate mbox files.
Get over it people, Reiser is NO WHERE near perfect, yet. Ext2 and even ext3 are much more mature and tested over extended time periods. Don't get me wrong, I use reiser for/home and/media at home, but I highly doubt I'll use it for/home on that co-lo'd server again. Nor at work, where the data really is worth money.
- RustyTaco
...time to put in a new tape for tonights backup....
On slashdot, no. No you can't. You'll only frighten half the PC junkies, and the other half will think you're making it up. It's not like the IEEE know anything about systems design or, heaven forbid, firmware.
But by the same token, it's not fair to ignore questions because you personally feel the time can be "better spent" answering "more worthy" questions instead.
Fair? Fair you say. Who said anything about fair? Who ever it was needs to be beaten up-side the head with a 2x4 of reality. I'm in a similar situation as Phexro. I also spend a lot(too much) time in Linux chatrooms. I try to help those I can, BUT I have no interest in fighting with somebody who refuses to accept my help. Just a quick little tip: If you ask somebody for advice do NOT argue with them when they give it to you. You're asking them because they presumably know better, listen!.
Anyway, to all you newbies out there hit up google for the smart questions howto. (try smart_questions.html) and/please/ read that and take it to heart. (the link might still be in on topic of Dalnet #linux too). Empty statements ("It's broken!") and whining are the two quickest ways to get yourself on mental ignore(or real/ignore).
- RustyTaco
PS: No, I'm not some sort of "god". I ask questions of the channel too. If somebody answers they can provide a great direction to start researching.
Installing software is very simple in Windows, setting up hardware is pretty easy as well.
Ew. You're calling Windows software installs "easy"? Have you seen the standard install method of MacOS/OSX programs? Oh, I'm sure you have, it's called "Drag and Drop" That's right, as in "Drag" the folder from your install CD(or mounted disk image) to the place you want to keep it. And yes, that is even for big, "complicated" programs like IE, and MS Office.
Still not as quick as "apt-get install...", but it's nice and simple.
It has very little to do with the 14 architectures and a LOT to do with Woody not being out yet. While Woody was still freezing Branden(the Debian X god) refused to work on 4.2, instead concentrating on making 4.1.0(in Woody) as good as posible. Now that Woody is esentially ready he working on 4.2 for sid, and has expiremental packages up on his page. They'll probably make it into the main archives around the time Woody is "officially" released.
They really shouldn't be asked to learn the intracacies of stereo system design.
That is until they start bitching that it sounds like crap because they put all 3 front speakers right next to eachother on the left side of the screen. And put the rear channels at different heights, pointed different directions, and not even remotely balenced on the screen.
In the end, it should just work. If you don't make a product that's easy to use, somebody else will.
Yeah, like the "stereo" speakers allready 1' appart on the bottom of the TV. They don't sound that good but boy are they easy to use!
The only thing that's keeping Linux back is the fact that you can't just go to the store and pick up some kind of PCI device or other hardware device and KNOW that it'll work flawlessly with Linux.
Uh, you can't do that with Windows. It really is no different. Well, except for the "Windows Certified" Logos on all the crap.
Believe me, companies desire to control their workers through computer access will trump any supposed benefits of "open" Linux and standards.
Try to keep your subj^H^H^H^H employees from chatting and sending file back and forth and other crap with MSN Messanger on a fresh XP Pro install. Or reading their HotMail spam, or any other wastes of time. Microsoft has gone to great efforts to make sure they will always have access to these little wastes of corporate money and it is VERY difficult to pry them out.
With an open system(such as a Linux desktop) on the other hard it's incredibly trivial to keep them from accessing programs that don't help them get their work done. Don't install them!
Oh, and as they don't need full access to the system to work in "Office" they don't get it. So it's also very easy to keep them from installing useless junk. It keep the firewall from getting bothered by MSN messanger asking for random ports to be allowed through the firewall every 15 seconds too.
Actually, that sounds like fun! I might just have to do that this year. Oh course I won't have any useful data on the system and will probably have a "hardened" kernel with root neutered.
Think of the man hours needed to re-install on workstations,
I think you'll find most organisations of notable size (>50 systems) routenly reinstall(ok, ghost) their Windows systems every 6 months to a year. It's just because it's so much easier than applying several megs of patches over the coarse of 5 reboots to every system.
the countless hours needed to re-educate people who probably aren't that computer savvy already.
You mean the clueballs that have to be constantly re-educated on a daily basis even when the software hasn't changed? Got that allready.
The millions of documents, spreadsheets, powerpoint presentations that would have to be converted to a different format.
This is absolutly wrong, and anybody doing this should be smacked around. If you're keeping a document then you want it EXACTLY how it was originally. If you're working on a document you might want to convert it. If you create a new document it had better be in the new format. That's how it's gotta be done to maintain sanity and archive integrity.
Doesn't telling me which products I can/can't buy violate my rights too?
Yes it does. Now if you just move out of your mom's house she'll stop telling to to stop buying porn.
What does this have to do with AZ state procurement policies?
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I can't wait. Florida is a liability. Just think how much better off we'd be without Florida draging us down. *cough*shrub*cough*
That, and mopping up from huricanes every couple years isn't cheap.
- RustyTaco
You're both wrong. That would now be handled by the KGB^WDepartment of Homeland Security.
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Local CA + user certs = lower maintanence VPN firewall.
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That is a truely exceptional idea! I might be able to watch Titanic without gaging with a few of those type of modifications. I'm guessing CleanFlicks won't do it though. DirtierFlicks.com?
- RustyTaco
You mean like VRML, with maybe some JavaScript scripting?
- RustyTaco
There's OWA (Outlook Web Assr^H^H^H^HAccess, or something like that). It seems to render better in Mozilla than IE 5.5. I've seen it NOT list messages in IE, log in with Mozilla, hey, all your mail really is there.
No, that isn't IE running through WINE either. That was on '95, and I beleive NT4 too. I found it impressive, even more so than the week long email outages.
- RustyTaco
Wow, where do you live? That certainly doesn't sound like the normal crap joe+dog buys. Joe+dog buys eMachines, low end HPs, and other $300 crap. I assure you that with the 64M of ram and frighteningly slow harddrives that make it into those systems XP/ME is anything but fast. As for intuitive those POS computer Joe+dog buys also comes preloaded with all sorts of useless crap that insists on starting every boot and begging for attention. Joe doesn't intuitivly know why he needs to sign up for AOL & Compuserve when he just got $200 for selling his soul to MSN.
It is gui-er though. With all the expresivness of an infant's picture book.
- RustyTaco.
YES! I can see it now... Record it yourself to save bandwidth, then download an MST3KML package describing the edits and any added audio & video clips :) Hell, I'd buy a TiVo if there was "after market" media like that.
:)
Sadly, it'll never exist unless I get off my ass and do it myself. Oh well, it was a good idea
- RustyTaco
I've got news for you. The FHS and LSB arn't enough to build a system on. They are guidelines, not a complete system. To build a complete system you need to fill in the gaps around such standards. THIS is where Debian sets itself apart standards-wise: It has them. No other distribution that I know of has open, published standards for: becoming a trusted contributor, how descisions are made, every detail of how a package should and should not be including detailed sections on handling system-wide menu entries, MIME type handlers, EMACS, Java, and Perl languages, and how the whole thing fits together.
Please do show my the equivilents of any of these documents for any other distribution. I really would like to know what disiplines other distributions apply, but I'm too lazy to look it up myslef. I will read any replys.
- RustyTaco
You forgot The Hurd.
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"the Debian people"? How exactly are you talking about? The 700+ developers I assume.
Well, Bill O'Reilly better get his butt to the next DebConf when & wherever that materializes. That would be the only time & place you'd be able to get more than 2-3 Debian developers together in meat-space.
- RustyTaco
> why did EXT get to be the defacto Linux filesystem, rather than UFS?
My understading of the sitation is that it was because until softupdates were implemented UFS was painful. Now, had softupdates been implemented, say, 7-10 YEARS ago when EXT became the Linux de-faco filesystem there might have been a chance.
On the flip side, seeing a good Linux implementation of a BSDish UFS with softupdates would be very nice.
- RustyTaco
> Got any proof to back up your claim?
/home and /media at home, but I highly doubt I'll use it for /home on that co-lo'd server again. Nor at work, where the data really is worth money.
...time to put in a new tape for tonights backup....
I do. Where shall I send the bz2'd filesystem image with inaccesable files that causes the kerenl to try to read beyond the end of the partition and causes a deadlock every few days. Yes, I've still got it, I havn't re-used that Logical volume yet, I just made a new one for an ext3 filesystem.
Oh, and this is the SECOND time reiser has done that on this server. It didn't seem to appreciate mbox files.
Get over it people, Reiser is NO WHERE near perfect, yet. Ext2 and even ext3 are much more mature and tested over extended time periods. Don't get me wrong, I use reiser for
- RustyTaco
> can we say OpenFirmware?
On slashdot, no. No you can't. You'll only frighten half the PC junkies, and the other half will think you're making it up. It's not like the IEEE know anything about systems design or, heaven forbid, firmware.
- RustyTaco
Fair? Fair you say. Who said anything about fair? Who ever it was needs to be beaten up-side the head with a 2x4 of reality. I'm in a similar situation as Phexro. I also spend a lot(too much) time in Linux chatrooms. I try to help those I can, BUT I have no interest in fighting with somebody who refuses to accept my help.
Just a quick little tip: If you ask somebody for advice do NOT argue with them when they give it to you. You're asking them because they presumably know better, listen!.
Anyway, to all you newbies out there hit up google for the smart questions howto. (try smart_questions.html) and
- RustyTaco
PS: No, I'm not some sort of "god". I ask questions of the channel too. If somebody answers they can provide a great direction to start researching.
That's right, as in "Drag" the folder from your install CD(or mounted disk image) to the place you want to keep it. And yes, that is even for big, "complicated" programs like IE, and MS Office.
Still not as quick as "apt-get install
- RustyTaco
Yes, it's called VNC. I'm sure we've been over this before.
- RustyTaco
It has very little to do with the 14 architectures and a LOT to do with Woody not being out yet. While Woody was still freezing Branden(the Debian X god) refused to work on 4.2, instead concentrating on making 4.1.0(in Woody) as good as posible. Now that Woody is esentially ready he working on 4.2 for sid, and has expiremental packages up on his page. They'll probably make it into the main archives around the time Woody is "officially" released.
- RustyTaco
That is until they start bitching that it sounds like crap because they put all 3 front speakers right next to eachother on the left side of the screen. And put the rear channels at different heights, pointed different directions, and not even remotely balenced on the screen.
Yeah, like the "stereo" speakers allready 1' appart on the bottom of the TV. They don't sound that good but boy are they easy to use!
- RustyTaco
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With an open system(such as a Linux desktop) on the other hard it's incredibly trivial to keep them from accessing programs that don't help them get their work done. Don't install them!
Oh, and as they don't need full access to the system to work in "Office" they don't get it. So it's also very easy to keep them from installing useless junk. It keep the firewall from getting bothered by MSN messanger asking for random ports to be allowed through the firewall every 15 seconds too.
- RustyTaco.
Actually, that sounds like fun! I might just have to do that this year. Oh course I won't have any useful data on the system and will probably have a "hardened" kernel with root neutered.
...see you at DefCon.
Yeah, I LOVE that idea!
- RustyTaco
You mean the clueballs that have to be constantly re-educated on a daily basis even when the software hasn't changed? Got that allready.
This is absolutly wrong, and anybody doing this should be smacked around. If you're keeping a document then you want it EXACTLY how it was originally. If you're working on a document you might want to convert it. If you create a new document it had better be in the new format. That's how it's gotta be done to maintain sanity and archive integrity.
- RustyTaco
Yes it does. Now if you just move out of your mom's house she'll stop telling to to stop buying porn.
What does this have to do with AZ state procurement policies?
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