All Linux installations are done with GUI. Happy now?
But unlike Windows, you have the possibility to drop to a command line if something is not working during install time (pretty rare, I have installed Linux many times and have still to drop to a CL in the last 4 or 5 years).
Amazing how some people try to make an obvious positive feature appear like a hindrance.
If your hobby is spreading vulgar lies in/. I would say it is a pretty sad distraction, you should try playing tetris or something else.
I can compile whatever you throw at me. Honest, I compiled an X server for Sun3 machines at some distant point in the past. As well as Linux kernels galore and compilers themselves.
Get this: I have not compiled a single program for the last 4 years I would say.
Those times as the mainstream Linux experience are gone. Done. Dusted. Finito. Eso es todo amigos.
Windows does not necessarily play DVDs out of the box neither, I have had to install software for this purpose in th past (until XP), similar for MP3 (it may be different in Vista, I declare I avoid that stuff like the plague).
I have spent the same 2 hours getting similar functionality from Windows boxes, so I frankly don't see why this point needs to be made.
The biggest difference is that in WIndows that is normally hidden from you, but it is not much easier if undertaken by a regular user.
The problem is inertia, people wanting that all applications work exactly the same to what they are used to, irrespective of any tangible benefits that could be obtained by learning the new interface.
Expose a completely new person to any given kind of software and he will not be so judgmental about the quality of a GUI.
America was named at the beginning of the 16th century, by the time Hernan Cortes, completed the conquest of Mexico (1521) a few years later, it was perfectly clear that America was a new Continent.
There are innumerable cultural and historical references that make clear that the inhabitants of the New Spain (the colonial name of Mexico) had an American cultural tradition radically different from the one in Europe. By the time the Catholic Church was firmly established in New Spain the country began to have customs in the rite that were clearly described as uniquely American, with the inclusion of an advocation of virgin Mary (Virgin of Guadalupe) that was recognized as an American one.
I will not continue this nonsensical discussion. The first printing press and university in America were founded in Mexico, the explored territory of New Spain dwarfed the 13 original US colonies and in general we have been there as a nation at least 100 years before people starting to arrive to the US.
In New Spain there was a system of racial classification btw, to claim that the New Spain was only Spaniards is monumentally ignorant, and sorry to use these words but frankly there is no other way to describe it, Hernan Cortes himself married a local woman, Malintzin, which symbolically started the mix of so called races in the country. At no point in time were the new arrivals a majority (this was first Native American and then people of mixed descent).
To come with such monumental stupidity as claiming Mexicans not being Americans can come from somebody that has not taken the most fundamental due care about the history of other countries. Shame on you.
French people are not gringos, neither are Spanish, Russians or Swedes.
gringo was a term used in frustration against invading US troops and 99% of people in America (the continent) know that gringo refers to a person from the US.
The US believes it has a birthright to mess up with the full continent (from pole to pole) no matter what, which it symbolically abrogates by stealing the name of the continent for themselves.
It is not us who have invaded the US, it is the other way around, and if gringo was ever uttered it was against US soldiers in yet another adventurist invasion in which they were defending the rights of banana, oil or other assorted white gentlemen close to the corridors of power in Washington.
You are very adept at it, but all comes crumbling donw if one scratches the surface.
You mention some "sacred books", you are framing the debate from a use of language that is clearly chosen with care to elicit a certain emotional response.
The fact is that people that govern their life by logic respect very much other people's work that use logic and science as a way to understand the Universe.
These people don't consider anything sacred. If we would have tomorrow a different explanation that is plausible for a given phenomenon, thinking people would be prepared to abandon the original works of orthodoxy and refer to the new ones, not because they have been revealed in a mysterious way, but only because the arguments there contained can be followed up and demonstrated.
Try telling a Muslim that some part of the Quoran should be removed based in the most elemental logic. Or a Christian. or a Buddhist (women menstruating are not allowed in some Buddhist temples because they are "unclean". Shall I need say more?).
Keep playing your little wordplays. They may attract some in the peanut gallery but don't cut any mustard once checked properly.
They have to explain everything in religious terms.
Get over it: we have no "sacred books","prophets" or "congregations" in the same sense as religious people do. Under that most asinine interpretation any club devoted to any hobby is also a religion.
That is a hard audience to which to explain such advanced concepts. Or anything at all frankly. I applaud your concern for people with severe learning disabilities.
Back in the enormous majority, my mother is 70 (hi mum!), has an average education and can deal with this.
I frankly don't know which Joe Users you are talking about.
8 years of education in most countries is not more than the equivalent of primary and a bit of secondary education, which in developed countries, would mean pretty much everybody.
I don't know what some folks have about exclusivity, to achieve something exclusive requires hard work and dedication.
If you think you are going to fully understand a fugue by Johann Sebastian Bach, an opera by Wagner or a painting by Michelangelo just by being stupid and don't making any effort, well, be my guest, I am nobody to inconvenience fools.
You can buy excellent books about classical music or any of the other fine arts for less of what you would spend in one dinner in any half decent restaurant, classical music CDs are perhaps the cheapest form of music, most civilized countries subsidize heavily the arts (museums in many countries are free or very cheap) and there are lots of worthwhile sculpture or architecture that costs nothing to see.
So at the end it all boils down to personal effort, but in this era of instant gratification, where we want everything (including culture and wisdom) now, there is little wonder that some people thing an intellectual effort is some kind of dirty pursuit.
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Outlook is the small twin evil of Exchange.
Remove Exchange out of the equation and Outlook is a non issue.
Smart, self confident, will blow your brains away.
You could not troll with the installation "problem" and now you move to the drivers and popular applications.
Trolling at its lamest.
All Linux installations are done with GUI. Happy now?
/. I would say it is a pretty sad distraction, you should try playing tetris or something else.
But unlike Windows, you have the possibility to drop to a command line if something is not working during install time (pretty rare, I have installed Linux many times and have still to drop to a CL in the last 4 or 5 years).
Amazing how some people try to make an obvious positive feature appear like a hindrance.
If your hobby is spreading vulgar lies in
I can compile whatever you throw at me. Honest, I compiled an X server for Sun3 machines at some distant point in the past. As well as Linux kernels galore and compilers themselves.
Get this: I have not compiled a single program for the last 4 years I would say.
Those times as the mainstream Linux experience are gone. Done. Dusted. Finito. Eso es todo amigos.
Cappice?
Windows does not necessarily play DVDs out of the box neither, I have had to install software for this purpose in th past (until XP), similar for MP3 (it may be different in Vista, I declare I avoid that stuff like the plague).
I have spent the same 2 hours getting similar functionality from Windows boxes, so I frankly don't see why this point needs to be made.
The biggest difference is that in WIndows that is normally hidden from you, but it is not much easier if undertaken by a regular user.
I have used Linux as my desktop for 10 years. I have never missed the applications you are mentioning.
The problem is inertia, people wanting that all applications work exactly the same to what they are used to, irrespective of any tangible benefits that could be obtained by learning the new interface.
Expose a completely new person to any given kind of software and he will not be so judgmental about the quality of a GUI.
America was named at the beginning of the 16th century, by the time Hernan Cortes, completed the conquest of Mexico (1521) a few years later, it was perfectly clear that America was a new Continent.
There are innumerable cultural and historical references that make clear that the inhabitants of the New Spain (the colonial name of Mexico) had an American cultural tradition radically different from the one in Europe. By the time the Catholic Church was firmly established in New Spain the country began to have customs in the rite that were clearly described as uniquely American, with the inclusion of an advocation of virgin Mary (Virgin of Guadalupe) that was recognized as an American one.
I will not continue this nonsensical discussion. The first printing press and university in America were founded in Mexico, the explored territory of New Spain dwarfed the 13 original US colonies and in general we have been there as a nation at least 100 years before people starting to arrive to the US.
In New Spain there was a system of racial classification btw, to claim that the New Spain was only Spaniards is monumentally ignorant, and sorry to use these words but frankly there is no other way to describe it, Hernan Cortes himself married a local woman, Malintzin, which symbolically started the mix of so called races in the country. At no point in time were the new arrivals a majority (this was first Native American and then people of mixed descent).
To come with such monumental stupidity as claiming Mexicans not being Americans can come from somebody that has not taken the most fundamental due care about the history of other countries. Shame on you.
French people are not gringos, neither are Spanish, Russians or Swedes.
gringo was a term used in frustration against invading US troops and 99% of people in America (the continent) know that gringo refers to a person from the US.
... what was the context?
The US believes it has a birthright to mess up with the full continent (from pole to pole) no matter what, which it symbolically abrogates by stealing the name of the continent for themselves.
It is not us who have invaded the US, it is the other way around, and if gringo was ever uttered it was against US soldiers in yet another adventurist invasion in which they were defending the rights of banana, oil or other assorted white gentlemen close to the corridors of power in Washington.
Do you know how many people found Herr Hitler charming? (i know, I lose the discussion, yeah, whatever).
That is simply not a defense of character....
What does that have to do with intelligence?
Honestly, every single organism feels hunger and feeds itself. You need zero intelligence for that.
You are very adept at it, but all comes crumbling donw if one scratches the surface.
You mention some "sacred books", you are framing the debate from a use of language that is clearly chosen with care to elicit a certain emotional response.
The fact is that people that govern their life by logic respect very much other people's work that use logic and science as a way to understand the Universe.
These people don't consider anything sacred. If we would have tomorrow a different explanation that is plausible for a given phenomenon, thinking people would be prepared to abandon the original works of orthodoxy and refer to the new ones, not because they have been revealed in a mysterious way, but only because the arguments there contained can be followed up and demonstrated.
Try telling a Muslim that some part of the Quoran should be removed based in the most elemental logic. Or a Christian. or a Buddhist (women menstruating are not allowed in some Buddhist temples because they are "unclean". Shall I need say more?).
Keep playing your little wordplays. They may attract some in the peanut gallery but don't cut any mustard once checked properly.
They have to explain everything in religious terms.
Get over it: we have no "sacred books","prophets" or "congregations" in the same sense as religious people do. Under that most asinine interpretation any club devoted to any hobby is also a religion.
The first result to the insightful question "which linux distro should I choose?" is a blog article in which Ubuntu is mentioned at around 8 times.
Any person with normal cognitive capabilities would get a clue from that....
That is a hard audience to which to explain such advanced concepts. Or anything at all frankly. I applaud your concern for people with severe learning disabilities.
Back in the enormous majority, my mother is 70 (hi mum!), has an average education and can deal with this.
I frankly don't know which Joe Users you are talking about.
What stuff are you smoking? All that shiny Web 2.0 doodle stuff is at the mercy of my root account.
Who are the alpha geeks then?
Every time my friends upgrade Windows half the hardware fails.
Funny that does not happen with Ubuntu (or most other popular Linux distros).
PSD: who cares.
...
HTML: you are joking, right?
EPS: really...
PNG: oh go on.
Reaaallly
8 years of education in most countries is not more than the equivalent of primary and a bit of secondary education, which in developed countries, would mean pretty much everybody.
I don't know what some folks have about exclusivity, to achieve something exclusive requires hard work and dedication.
If you think you are going to fully understand a fugue by Johann Sebastian Bach, an opera by Wagner or a painting by Michelangelo just by being stupid and don't making any effort, well, be my guest, I am nobody to inconvenience fools.
You can buy excellent books about classical music or any of the other fine arts for less of what you would spend in one dinner in any half decent restaurant, classical music CDs are perhaps the cheapest form of music, most civilized countries subsidize heavily the arts (museums in many countries are free or very cheap) and there are lots of worthwhile sculpture or architecture that costs nothing to see.
So at the end it all boils down to personal effort, but in this era of instant gratification, where we want everything (including culture and wisdom) now, there is little wonder that some people thing an intellectual effort is some kind of dirty pursuit.
The truth of how MS strong armed PC providers (to the point that they, from clients, became hostages of MS's) is widely known.
If you are tired of hearing the truth is none of other people's concern frankly.
They attempt to appeal to niche sectors of the population with puerile stuff.
No wonder nobody is taking it seriously as an art form.
They are free, they did not accept any wrongdoing.
You'll have to explain this better because I see little difference.
So your attempted irony is pointless.