And sure, it is your right to not to business with someone you don't agree with, but that makes you an even bigger idiot because that's not how a society will function. It's more Kindergarten behavior.
Not doing business with people you don't agree with is childish? If you have absolutely no moral standards, I guess. But if you do, it seems like the absolute BEST way to express your opinion to the oligopoly given voting is practically useless towards government policy unless money is attached to it...
Absolutely is does. And apparently they decided the combination of morals + market was advantageous to call out their interpretation of hatred instead of staying silent.
VR is currently a self-selecting market of affluent tech-savvy people. I'd imagine that combination is easily 75%+ are against shitposting Clinton (whether they are Democrats or just decent people).
Honestly I own a Rift, and when I heard this story I was basically ready to dump it for a a Vive unless Oculus (or really FACEBOOK) responds to this stupidity very soon. If you are a supporter of free speech I assume you are also a supporter of free market. Piss off your customer base at your own peril.
Oh wait, I just realized you replied to yourself (and I guess now I am as well). Wow, you were almost right the first time and then screwed it up with your correction...
So far, many more people who have supposedly blasphemed Islam have died for blaspheming it than people have died for supporting Islam.
in America (to be clear)
No, NOT in America, that's his whole (somewhat debatable, but possibly statistically true in the short term) point. Can't believe I need to explain *his* point, but it was that Muslims supporting Sharia law (or Taliban/ISIS controlled regions) have killed more people for blasphemy than have themselves been killed. OBVIOUSLY very few people have died in America for blasphemy or Islam.
I am the OP - and I didn't say Trump defended internment camps, I said Trump supporters, which is trivially true if you want to look it up. Man your reading comprehension failed on this one...
And while Trump didn't say he supported internment camps, he did say this direct quote: “what I’m doing now is no different than F.D.R. I mean, take a look at what F.D.R. did many years ago, and he’s one of the most highly respected presidents.”
Respected for some things, yes, but certainly NOT for Japanese internment camps! I mean holy fuck, if you are going to compare yourself to FDR, that's probably the SINGLE WORST THING you could pick.
And Robert Byrd completely renounced and repeatedly apologised for his previous activities and opposition to civil rights. On the other hand Donald Trump is CURRENTLY COURTING RACISTS WHILE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.
If Trump actually apologised and publicly denounced his Aryan and KKK supporters, you'd have a tiny leg to stand on.
Made me remember another reason Europe should be very interested in US politics: because given the disproportionate coverage of US media and culture to the rest of the world, it seems to be reinforcing beliefs of significant numbers of people in other countries (see: Brexit, crazy right wing Dutch politicians, surprising rise of German nationalism, etc) think that racism and isolationism are somehow acceptable.
That might be because Trump is unapologetic in his avocation for prioritizing American interests over those of the world at large
What absolute bulltshit. Trump is saying what his base wants. Almost every one of his "opinions" is the polar opposite of what it was 10 years ago.
It's already known many of his creditors are international (including Russian) since most American banks have learned their lesson a while ago. A guy who kisses Putin's ass while putting down powerless refugees and immigrants is not prioritizing American interests, he's prioritizing his OWN INTERESTS.
Yeah, and pretty much ALL of Eastern Europe was against being "Russian" since 1945.
Did Crimea overall want to be part of Ukraine? Not really. But they didn't really want to be part of Russia, either. What Crimea really wanted was independence. That may have been a reasonable goal, but no way Russia is going to give that to them now.
You're making a pretty broad statement there. Assuming anything to be true about the "typical American" is, almost by definition, a broad assumption.
Do a bit or research and you'd be utterly astounded at what Americans believe. Not that I am knocking Americans (I am one) - plenty of other ignorant people worldwide.
ONE IN FOUR AMERICANS still think the Sun revolves around the Earth. Same number believes magic and witchcraft is real. One in THREE believes in ESP.
But to the specific point of "typical and "engaging with the rest of the world". Is it fair to define "typical" as over 50%? I think so. Using that, over half of Americans HAVE NEVER LEFT THE US. Compare to 8% in UK, with the average traveller having visited 10 other countries.
It's not an assumption, it's a statistical fucking FACT.
HAH. Yes, an online game is totally the best forum for interacting with someone and discussing their politics. I guarantee that Ukranian has an interest in politics, the fact that you didn't ask him doesn't mean anything. I got in an Uber last month with a driver from Ukraine and talked about a bunch of random things. Eventually when I asked him what he thought of Putin, he said "Fuck Putin, and fuck Trump for supporting him!"
Daily at my workplace I "interact" with - in person - a person from Ukraine, 4 more persons from Russia, one from Latvia, two from Germany, two from UK, one from France, four from China, a half dozen from India, two from Japan, one from Jordan, one from Uganda, one from Egypt, one from Israel... ok, it's just getting tiring now, I could name 20 other countries. Sounds like a real echo chamber!
And you know what the weirdest thing is? Almost every one of them thinks Trump is utterly dangerous to the US and the rest of the world and doesn't understand how he got to where he is when there were a half dozen actually qualified Republicans running. Lucky for Trump the whole world doesn't vote on the US president, or he'd lose in an utter landslide.
He didn't call Trump a Nazi, or say he is Hitler. He said he "uses the same speech tactics that Hitler did". Which in a number of cases is objectively, demonstrably true.
If you don't see some of the parallels in the wording of antisemitic propaganda of the 30's and anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim propaganda of the last year, you are not paying attention or refusing to listen.
And it's not all "Nazi" in origin - many Trump supporters, including several IN CONGRESS, have LITERALLY DEFENDED the idea of bringing back US Internment camps. The US didn't have a particularly good track record on immigrants or minorities in the 30's either. And how did that isolationism work out for the world?
Are you serious? Trump has stated 1) he wouldn't necessarily honor NATO commitments and 2) he is a "big fan" of the leader of the country NATO was created to resist. You better believe the rest of the world is acutely interested in the results of this election.
Besides, it sounds like you are an American - and the typical American who makes broad assumptions about the rest of the world without actually ENGAGING with it. Pretty much every non-American friend I have is interested - sometimes literally fascinated - with what's going on right now in American politics.
Good science and environmentalism don't have to be mutually exclusive! Any "environmentalist" who isn't advocating next-gen nuclear power as one of the key steps to prevent global warming in the medium term is doing more harm than good.
Of course, that's not even getting into fusion reactors, but that's still likely many decades from any useful application...
Actually I think nuclear is a good idea in the medium term. Much better than coal or gas - as long as we make sure corners are not cut, of course.
I believe you assume too much.
And I believe you are WAY too pessimistic.
If you asked ANYONE in the car industry 10 years ago if there would be a car that could seat 7, go almost 300 miles on a charge, hit 60mph in 3 seconds, and cost ~100K they would have have laughed at you and called you completely ignorant.
In 10 years you WILL be able to buy a solar installation and battery that will take your home COMPLETELY off grid in a relatively sunny state like CA for ~$15-20k (whole cost). You can do almost the same TODAY with a Tesla Powerwall battery and solar installation for ~$25-30K (with subsidies). Combine that with an electric car and it's entirely possible to live mostly off the grid TODAY (obviously you'd be using some utilities and products that aren't there yet, but your footprint would be down by a huge amount).
We are way beyond the point that solar is a "hopeful pipedream". We are at the point that it's "viable, but too expensive". Note that is where Tesla was 10 years ago with the Roadster, and Elon Musk clearly stated his goals back then: build an electric sports car to pay for development of an electric luxury car, and a luxury car to pay for the development of a mass market electric car. Once the Model 3 comes out next year, he's proven his car model and will be focusing on Solar...
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And sure, it is your right to not to business with someone you don't agree with, but that makes you an even bigger idiot because that's not how a society will function. It's more Kindergarten behavior.
Not doing business with people you don't agree with is childish? If you have absolutely no moral standards, I guess. But if you do, it seems like the absolute BEST way to express your opinion to the oligopoly given voting is practically useless towards government policy unless money is attached to it...
Picking and choosing has a down-side too.
Absolutely is does. And apparently they decided the combination of morals + market was advantageous to call out their interpretation of hatred instead of staying silent.
VR is currently a self-selecting market of affluent tech-savvy people. I'd imagine that combination is easily 75%+ are against shitposting Clinton (whether they are Democrats or just decent people).
Honestly I own a Rift, and when I heard this story I was basically ready to dump it for a a Vive unless Oculus (or really FACEBOOK) responds to this stupidity very soon. If you are a supporter of free speech I assume you are also a supporter of free market. Piss off your customer base at your own peril.
No, they really aren't, because it's a useless tactic against a candidate who shitposts HIMSELF and none of his supporters care...
The answer to all of that is obviously, yes
Holy hell, you proved my point! No, actually, the answers to all of those are NOT statistically yes, it's parroting what Trump said yes.
Oh wait, I just realized you replied to yourself (and I guess now I am as well). Wow, you were almost right the first time and then screwed it up with your correction...
So far, many more people who have supposedly blasphemed Islam have died for blaspheming it than people have died for supporting Islam.
in America (to be clear)
No, NOT in America, that's his whole (somewhat debatable, but possibly statistically true in the short term) point. Can't believe I need to explain *his* point, but it was that Muslims supporting Sharia law (or Taliban/ISIS controlled regions) have killed more people for blasphemy than have themselves been killed. OBVIOUSLY very few people have died in America for blasphemy or Islam.
I tried to formulate a reply to this comment, but quickly realized it was almost entirely bullshit and conspiracy ramblings.
Wait, you are comparing Clinton unfavorably to DONALD FUCKING J TRUMP by using capitalism!? Just wow.
I am the OP - and I didn't say Trump defended internment camps, I said Trump supporters, which is trivially true if you want to look it up. Man your reading comprehension failed on this one...
And while Trump didn't say he supported internment camps, he did say this direct quote: “what I’m doing now is no different than F.D.R. I mean, take a look at what F.D.R. did many years ago, and he’s one of the most highly respected presidents.”
Respected for some things, yes, but certainly NOT for Japanese internment camps! I mean holy fuck, if you are going to compare yourself to FDR, that's probably the SINGLE WORST THING you could pick.
It's not just the "style", it's the content. And if you think content doesn't matter, you are an idiot.
And Robert Byrd completely renounced and repeatedly apologised for his previous activities and opposition to civil rights. On the other hand Donald Trump is CURRENTLY COURTING RACISTS WHILE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.
If Trump actually apologised and publicly denounced his Aryan and KKK supporters, you'd have a tiny leg to stand on.
Made me remember another reason Europe should be very interested in US politics: because given the disproportionate coverage of US media and culture to the rest of the world, it seems to be reinforcing beliefs of significant numbers of people in other countries (see: Brexit, crazy right wing Dutch politicians, surprising rise of German nationalism, etc) think that racism and isolationism are somehow acceptable.
No, really, it's not. Read this thread. While I don't agree with all of the posts, they are certainly better than a 13 year old yelling "U PNWED MF!"
That might be because Trump is unapologetic in his avocation for prioritizing American interests over those of the world at large
What absolute bulltshit. Trump is saying what his base wants. Almost every one of his "opinions" is the polar opposite of what it was 10 years ago.
It's already known many of his creditors are international (including Russian) since most American banks have learned their lesson a while ago. A guy who kisses Putin's ass while putting down powerless refugees and immigrants is not prioritizing American interests, he's prioritizing his OWN INTERESTS.
Yeah, and pretty much ALL of Eastern Europe was against being "Russian" since 1945.
Did Crimea overall want to be part of Ukraine? Not really. But they didn't really want to be part of Russia, either. What Crimea really wanted was independence. That may have been a reasonable goal, but no way Russia is going to give that to them now.
You're making a pretty broad statement there. Assuming anything to be true about the "typical American" is, almost by definition, a broad assumption.
Do a bit or research and you'd be utterly astounded at what Americans believe. Not that I am knocking Americans (I am one) - plenty of other ignorant people worldwide.
ONE IN FOUR AMERICANS still think the Sun revolves around the Earth. Same number believes magic and witchcraft is real. One in THREE believes in ESP.
But to the specific point of "typical and "engaging with the rest of the world". Is it fair to define "typical" as over 50%? I think so. Using that, over half of Americans HAVE NEVER LEFT THE US. Compare to 8% in UK, with the average traveller having visited 10 other countries.
It's not an assumption, it's a statistical fucking FACT.
No, my assumptions were almost as narrow as the parent's worldview.
Thanks, AC Russia troll. Your AC opinion is SOOO valued.
Calling it "the democratic process" is a joke when Russia more or less invaded Ukraine in advance of any "elections".
HAH. Yes, an online game is totally the best forum for interacting with someone and discussing their politics. I guarantee that Ukranian has an interest in politics, the fact that you didn't ask him doesn't mean anything. I got in an Uber last month with a driver from Ukraine and talked about a bunch of random things. Eventually when I asked him what he thought of Putin, he said "Fuck Putin, and fuck Trump for supporting him!"
Daily at my workplace I "interact" with - in person - a person from Ukraine, 4 more persons from Russia, one from Latvia, two from Germany, two from UK, one from France, four from China, a half dozen from India, two from Japan, one from Jordan, one from Uganda, one from Egypt, one from Israel... ok, it's just getting tiring now, I could name 20 other countries. Sounds like a real echo chamber!
And you know what the weirdest thing is? Almost every one of them thinks Trump is utterly dangerous to the US and the rest of the world and doesn't understand how he got to where he is when there were a half dozen actually qualified Republicans running. Lucky for Trump the whole world doesn't vote on the US president, or he'd lose in an utter landslide.
Tell that to Georgia and Ukraine. You are delusional if you really think that.
He didn't call Trump a Nazi, or say he is Hitler. He said he "uses the same speech tactics that Hitler did". Which in a number of cases is objectively, demonstrably true.
If you don't see some of the parallels in the wording of antisemitic propaganda of the 30's and anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim propaganda of the last year, you are not paying attention or refusing to listen.
And it's not all "Nazi" in origin - many Trump supporters, including several IN CONGRESS, have LITERALLY DEFENDED the idea of bringing back US Internment camps. The US didn't have a particularly good track record on immigrants or minorities in the 30's either. And how did that isolationism work out for the world?
Are you serious? Trump has stated 1) he wouldn't necessarily honor NATO commitments and 2) he is a "big fan" of the leader of the country NATO was created to resist. You better believe the rest of the world is acutely interested in the results of this election.
Besides, it sounds like you are an American - and the typical American who makes broad assumptions about the rest of the world without actually ENGAGING with it. Pretty much every non-American friend I have is interested - sometimes literally fascinated - with what's going on right now in American politics.
Good science and environmentalism don't have to be mutually exclusive! Any "environmentalist" who isn't advocating next-gen nuclear power as one of the key steps to prevent global warming in the medium term is doing more harm than good.
Of course, that's not even getting into fusion reactors, but that's still likely many decades from any useful application...
Penalize them, how?
They let Samsung get over 20% of the global Android market share, "penalizing" the in any way now would be shooting themselves in the foot.
Actually I think nuclear is a good idea in the medium term. Much better than coal or gas - as long as we make sure corners are not cut, of course.
I believe you assume too much.
And I believe you are WAY too pessimistic.
If you asked ANYONE in the car industry 10 years ago if there would be a car that could seat 7, go almost 300 miles on a charge, hit 60mph in 3 seconds, and cost ~100K they would have have laughed at you and called you completely ignorant.
In 10 years you WILL be able to buy a solar installation and battery that will take your home COMPLETELY off grid in a relatively sunny state like CA for ~$15-20k (whole cost). You can do almost the same TODAY with a Tesla Powerwall battery and solar installation for ~$25-30K (with subsidies). Combine that with an electric car and it's entirely possible to live mostly off the grid TODAY (obviously you'd be using some utilities and products that aren't there yet, but your footprint would be down by a huge amount).
We are way beyond the point that solar is a "hopeful pipedream". We are at the point that it's "viable, but too expensive". Note that is where Tesla was 10 years ago with the Roadster, and Elon Musk clearly stated his goals back then: build an electric sports car to pay for development of an electric luxury car, and a luxury car to pay for the development of a mass market electric car. Once the Model 3 comes out next year, he's proven his car model and will be focusing on Solar...