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VR Devs Pull Support For Oculus Rift Until Palmer Luckey Steps Down (vice.com)
After it was revealed that Oculus founder Palmer Luckey backed a pro-Trump political organization called Nimble America that is dedicated to "shitposting" and spreading inflammatory memes about Hillary Clinton, several developers of the Oculus Rift virtual-reality headset have announced that they will stop supporting the headset until its founder steps down. One of the biggest developers for Oculus Rift, Insomniac Games, told Motherboard, "Insomniac Games condemns all forms of hate speech. While everyone has a right to express his or her political opinion, the behavior and sentiments reported do not reflect the values of our company. We are also confident that his behavior and sentiment does not reflect the values of the many Oculus employees we work with on a daily basis." Fez and Superhypercube developer Polytron also said in a statement, "In a political climate as fragile and horrifying as this one, we cannot tacitly endorse these actions by supporting Luckey or his platform." Motherboard reports: Motherboard has reached out to several other, more well-known VR developers who work with Oculus including Fantastic Contraption makers Northway Games and Job Simulator makers Owlchemy Labs. Northway Games couldn't be reached immediately for comment but tweeted the following: "What. The. Fuck. [accompanied with a link to the news via Kotaku]" and "Definitely using every fibre of my 'professionalism' to not tweet some tweets right now." Owlchemy Labs, which is currently developing for Job Simulator for the Oculus Touch controls, declined to comment either way. E McNeill, who has developed a couple of games for Oculus Rift and GearVR, suggested that like-minded VR developers raise money for Hillary Clinton's campaign to counter the money Luckey has raised for Trump. [E McNeill tweeted: "Idle Q: Would any Oculus devs join me in a donation drive for HIllary? We could aim to beat Nimble America's $11k. I'd start with $1k myself."] "This backlash is nonsense," said James Green, co-founder of VR developer Carbon Games. "I absolutely support him doing whatever he wants politically if it's legal. To take any other position is against American values."
a dick.
So basically these developers are intolerant of any type of political message other than their own.
and I'm buying a Vive
Not. Our gal vs your guy... ZOMG!
The tail is wagging the dog I see. You're all fired.
America has no values. . . this presidential race should be argument enough for that (on both sides of the aisle).
As long as you think EXACTLY the way they do.
Of course if he was "shitposting" Trump, that would be A-OK, right?
"While everyone has a right to express his or her political opinion", because the second part to that sentence always comes out being something like, "we don't think this person should be able to express theirs."
Also apparently Luckey's girlfriend has been harassed off of Twitter, and you'll get banned from NeoGaf if you suggest that maybe she shouldn't be harassed. Stay classy, internet.
Karma: Terrifying (mostly affected by atrocities you've committed)
And so, in the name of "tolerance", they consigned heterodox unbelievers to a blacklist.
Palmer Lucky is Brendon Eich 2.0.
Anyone else getting sick of the complete hypocrisy and intolerance of the Left? Anyone who believes or expresses an opinion different than their own is committing hate speech and deserves to be destroyed, but it is fine for the Left to use whatever vulgar, derogatory, and spiteful speech, mockery, or actions to force their own ideas and preferences upon everybody else.
Don't mix work and politics.
Can they not even see what parodies of themselves they've become?
TV tells them someone is hitler and they all try to out-tantrum one another.
It's not even about supporting Trump anymore, it's about being ashamed to stand with or anywhere near these people. They don't have any liberal values. They run on feigned indignation and trying to publicly shame others.
It's pathetic. Pull yourselves together, you numbnuts.
So a guy supports a political candidate. And this is what happens? What kind of world are we in where your political choices result in this kind of backlash?
This is going to make citizens united the least of our worries. A judge is going to look at this and go "oh, we have to let people contribute anonymously to protect free speech rights so they aren't retaliated against" and poof, there goes our transperency.
The more punked the left gets the more my stock in popcorn goes up.
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Without hate speech, how could we rag on republicans?
What is astonishing to me is the level of rhetoric and the stretch of logic that has come into place since our Alien vs. Predator presidential race (i.e. whoever wins, we lose). Now we have a situation just like the Mozilla debacle with Brendan Eich except that it is much much flimsier an argument this time around.
But here's the thing, Insomniac and Polytron management: your job is to make money for the investors of your company, not to use them as some political tool because you disagree with the politics of one of the employees of Oculus. Period.
These decisions will only harm these companies financially because of diminished interest from people who own an Oculus. Unless the management has concrete data that their continued support of the Oculus will harm their sales due to the political connection (and I'll bet diamonds to dollars that they don't), then the boards of directors of all of these companies should direct the executive management of the companies that withdrew support for Oculus to reverse their decision or be terminated for breach of fiduciary duty.
Enough of this SJW bullshit, especially when investor money and returns are at stake and the backlash from these actions could be worse. E McNeill is totally correct - if you want to fight a Trump supporter, put your own money up rather than trying to suppress others as if you were some Soviet-era state enterprise licking the boots of the party you support.
...Mark Zuckerberg does. I'm glad to see they won't be supporting his left wing censorious media platform. :-P
Whiners support Hillary for Dictator, film at 11.
"This backlash is nonsense," said James Green, co-founder of VR developer Carbon Games. "I absolutely support him doing whatever he wants politically if it's legal. To take any other position is against American values."
I have little to no interest in VR, and negative interest in Oculus. But I now know of Carbon Games and have a respectful view of them.
Conversely, I also now know of Polytron and have a negative opinion of them. Insomniac was also a 2nd rate developer and now I have further reason to ignore them.
eu estou seriamente procurando uma razão pra esse lugar ser bombardeado por kamikazes.
Look, we all get to make free choices. If those choices piss off others who disagree, so be it. The ONLY thing that really matters - fundamentally - is the Constitution, which DOES say "Congress shall make no law..." but does NOT say "There shall be no social media reactions...". Easy-squeazy, baby!
Really? These Twits are claiming that politically supporting someone who is opposed to someone engaged in arguably treasonous behavior (anyone named Clinton) is free speech? Me, I think the donald is nvtz, but Hillary has a serious credibility problem - she lies about "being unable to recall" soo many times (Whitewater through Benghazi) and _intentionally_ (via violation of mandated security protocols) weakens national security because she believes she is above the law. Really? Sigh.
TREASON!
This is exactly the kind of crap that will make me vote for Trump. These people are fucking idiots and I don't want to be associated with them.
...VR salt mining simulator.
These butt-hurt snowflakes don't seem to realize that they're feeding the trolls in the most direct way imaginable.
Their tears are fucking delicious.
"Shitposting" is fraud rather than speech for a few reasons.
It is knowingly false. For example, "shitposters" distribute a purported photo of Hillary Clinton in blackface with Bill, which doesn't match her eye color or her and Bill's appearance at the time. But they keep distributing it.
They then spoof the comment system by having robots upmod posts and downmod their detractors, thus fraudulently promoting their comments as highly regarded.
They mis-state the first amendment of the constitution by telling people that reactions to their abuse are hypocritical and against the first amendment, when the first amendment does not protect anyone from the consequences of their speech, nor does it promise anyone the podium of their choice.
Taking action to show your disapproval of such action is laudable.
Bruce Perens.
You're boycotting people for boycotting people?
I currently have 1 mod point left.
That said, there is a dearth of people that think things threw. When faced with two dystopias, they'll pick the one that sides with their bias.
In the HRC dystopia, it's not as bad as Trump White Peoples Party getting power.
In the Trump dystopia, the loosest cannonball in recent US electoral history gets a finger near the big red button on the football, and nukalar war is in the offing, something we were trying to avoid because it's more or less suicide. I believe that Trump's solution to ISIS might involve them. I cannot abide by such a dystopia, so I'm picking Clinton's.
---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
Free speech doesn't have limits.
You can yell "fire" in a crowded theater. You can be held responsible for the direct result, but no one can ever legally restrict your right to say whatever you want.
What has Trump been convicted of?
What disqualifies Trump for running for the office of President of the United States of America, exactly? Claiming that he is disqualified is pretty bold. I'm sure every single news network, Congress, and Trump himself would like to know about it. You should go public with your facts now so we can just inaugurate Hillary and be done with it.
/., Home of neckbeards virulently defending the right to shitpost and spam under free speech, but not the right of others to disagree with aforementioned free speech. Self-contradiction number two, the first amendment only protects against government intrusion. Self-contradiction number three, it also protects the freedom of association, so if you wanted to apply it to private companies and individuals, these devs are completely free to blast Luckey and refuse to associate with Oculus, under *the exact same values* you're using to defend his right to shitpost and spam.
That the Dailybeast made all this up right?
You can yell "fire" in a crowded theater. You can be held responsible for the direct result, but no one can ever legally restrict your right to say whatever you want.
That is a nonsensical statement. The only thing that makes something a crime is that you are 'held responsible' afterwards, there is nothing specially sacrosanct about speech. The reason you can't be restricted from saying criminal things is because nobody knows what the fuck you are going to say before you say it.
It's Trump's emphasis on "defeat them quickly" that led me to the same conclusion. I don't think a few nuclear bombs will do that much damage, though they would still be war crimes. The real risk is that Trump bungles his "limited" nuclear attack and somehow sucks Pakistan or Israel into the mess... Given the Donald's record of bungling everything he touches, I wouldn't bet on a good outcome. There are some Trump supporters who would gladly welcome a permanent state of war with 1.6 billion Muslims.
On the Hillary thing, I don't even like her, but I don't see how to get to "dystopia" if she wins. Seems most likely that she'll pretty much stay the course, and we certainly haven't gotten to dystopia yet. I'd prefer her to change the course in a more positive direction, but I don't expect her to do it unless we give her a progressive Congress and they put the pressure on her. There used to be a time when that could have included some progressive Republicans, but they've been exterminated from today's so-called Republican Party.
On my Subject: question, I really have no idea. Too many years since I got one.
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
It's pretty terrifying to me that on multiple occasions Trump has publicly said his strategy with respect to nuclear weapons was to, "be very unpredictable."
The last thing that murderer Hillary needs is our money, she has already been bought and paid for many times over by fucks. I despise both her and Trump alike. I don't want either candidate to win.
My related question would be: How many of the Slashdot trolls are working for Palmer Luckey?
Probaby quite a few. Might even be the same people as troll for Microsoft.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
He plays a game called, "I'm just crazy enough to do it", a sort of bully's aggression play. Might work well in business, but that's money vs lives at stake vs uncontrolled war.
It's my greatest fear.
---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
"This backlash is nonsense," said James Green, co-founder of VR developer Carbon Games. "I absolutely support him doing whatever he wants politically if it's legal. To take any other position is against American values."
I think you meant to say you absolutely support other people doing what they want politically if it's legal, such as disagreeing with Luckey, or boycotting his product, or raising money for Clinton in response. Because taking any other position would be against American values _and_ hypocritical, right?
And yes, he's perfectly within his rights to say what he said, and i'm within my rights to point out the contradiction, and other people are within their rights to respond to me with disagreements, and etc. Saying that one person gets to have their say and everyone else needs to shut up about it after that is not how political discourse works.
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You have your head so far up your own ass, you can even tell the difference between your two boogiemen.
However, there is the implication here that these "outraged" folk are somehow ok with the "makes a sociopath look good" option that is Clinton.
He shot himself in the foot and sabotaged his business dealings because of a misguided zeal which is contrary to the interests of everyone with productive activity.
Pretty much every comment here on Trumps side has used racist slurs, homophobe insults, insults denigrating women
Read the emails where DNC "leaders" indulge in - racist slurs, homophobe[sic] insults, insults denigrating women and insults denigrating black women.
There is a reason the Democrat Party is the Party of the Klu Klux Klan. Also the party that loves eugenics and Margaret Sanger (who loved eugenics) and whose "organization" has killed over 40 million black babies since its inception. Margaret Sanger is a hero to Hillary by her own words, as was the racist Robert Byrd. You know, that Democrat Senator that was a Klu Klux Klan Grand Dragon and bragged he had the highest recruitment rate of anyone in his state. He served until 2010 in the senate. Hillary said many times he was her mentor.
Margaret Sanger's mission was to eliminate the black race. And look how things have turned out for blacks under the Democrats. Look at Chicago, Detroit and Baltimore (and more), all bastions of Democratic Progressive Liberalism for decades. If a person can't see 'it' they are a Democrat Racist for sure. Actions speak louder than words.
That is the problem.
"be very unpredictable"
This is really not a bad stance. The US has become too predictable in it's international policies and it is time for a little change. And it would be so entertaining watching Trump tell all those countries free loading on US military protection start paying their own share.
Trump can provide the one thing this country needs which is to sideline both the Republican and Democratic parties. All the campaign donors who spent millions to get their favorite choice elected would have to deal with getting nothing in return for their money. Trump can provide this without demolishing the country. And people should stop taking Trump's campaign statements seriously. Candidates running for office say and promise anything to get elected but rarely implement any of their campaign promises. The US President is not a King ruling by fiat.
The US President is kept in line by the checks and balances built into the 3 branches of government. Trump would have no support from either party and the chance of him getting some of his more crazy ideas moved forward is effectively nil. If he attempts to take actions to bypass the limits of his constitutional authority he would be impeached and it would only take 15 minutes from start to finish because once again he would have no defenders in Congress.
Not sure how to take your comment, but if I take it on it's face value, then the obvious question is "How can they keep it a secret? Or even maintain partial secrecy?"
It's like imagining there are hordes of voters who are working in secret to vote twice so they can affect elections. Someone would be sure to leak it. You can't have a secret conspiracy with too many people involved or it has to unravel when someone leaks the secret.
In the case of the 50-cent Party, the lack of secrecy doesn't matter. They want to increase the paranoia. Is he working for the 50-cent Party? Is he a sincere believer in the propaganda? Or is he maybe working on a portfolio to get hired by the 50-cent Party? Whichever the case, if you are a sincere dissident who posted something in public, then having noticed and noted your disagreeing comment, he's likely to pass your name up the chain.
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
Of the hundreds of positions on serious issues that he's changed his mind on that same day.
Why is changing one's mind seen as such a terrible thing in politics?
I change my mind daily based on learning new facts, figuring out a better or more preferable method, and overall becoming more educated on the topic.
I would hope that politicians are the same way instead of being stubborn and refusing to change their stance even after being proven wrong or realizing that their thinking is flawed.
Pretty much every comment here on Trumps side has used racist slurs, homophobe insults, insults denigrating women - essentially all the things people hate about Trump and his supporters and they're so staggeringly stupid they come on here and prove what everyone thinks about them is true.
Which comments? Please point them out. And one would surely hope that you are not exaggerating when you say "pretty much every comment here on Trump[']s side" so you should be able to provide at least forty clear examples.
It's OK to refuse to tolerate intolerance. Indeed, it's something you need to do.
Bruce Perens.
What you are telling me is that they didn't tolerate intolerance. Good for them.
Bruce Perens.
In other news, the internet image board, 4chan, has announced that it's planned takeover of the United States is now complete. An anonymous spokesbear for the group commented, "We're happy to see that our hilarious methods of juvenile discourse have finally taken root in mainstream American culture. While political speech in the US has been vapid and completely void of meaningful content for decades, we couldn't rest until it was also vindictive and insulting. Once the elections are over, and it *really* doesn't matter who wins, we can look forward to a stabilizing period of denial of service while the victor scoops up as much wealth as possible and deposits it in their goody bag. I just want to thank the American people, once again, for choosing us as their moral role models."
and suddenly the quality of games/apps for oculus rift increases exponentially.
The CEO of a construction company I worked for is a very right wing anti Clinton person. That company has built a number of roads and infrastructure around the country among other projects.
You gonna protest and blacklist every goddamn thing built by someone you disagree with? You might as well stay home.
(except the company that built your home might be run by a fascist too. Who hired illegal immigrants to build it.)
At some point, you have to stop this mass organizing against people who hold opinions contrary to yours. They are not up for election.
What happened to the taboo on discussing politics at workplace?
So, do you always support harassing women, or only when it's someone whose politics you dislike? I'm trying to keep track of what your beliefs are today, because I don't know you any more, starting from around the time you abandoned any open source principles.
I won't even bother asking if you're consistent about hating all the political lies. For the record, I don't support any of the criminals running for office, I know that half of the scandals are fake, the media is just making stuff up, and that the scandals that actually have some substance will always get compared to the utter nonsense stuff.
Feel free to pick your favorite liar and argue that it's not free speech, it's fraud. There's plenty to go around:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ7_bo74VMA
Worked for Nixon. Matter of fact it's been the basis of our defense since the 50s.
You have your head so far up your own ass, you can even tell the difference between your two boogiemen.
But I know cowards when I read a post from them. Probably because as you note, I know exactly what shit looks like. THat dear coward, fits you to a T.
Game on?
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Worked for Nixon. Matter of fact it's been the basis of our defense since the 50s.
Define "worked". I don't remember a US victory in Vietnam.
Ideology: A tool used primarily to avoid the bother of thinking.
So these developers are boycotting the Rift because its founder supports Trump... I donno how to tell these assclowns this but...IBM and a few others sold their products to Germany during WW2, and in a way you could say they supported Hitler, and since all "PC compatibles" are derived from IBM's PC, they should stop using any from of PC. They should also boycott all Coca-cola products, stop watching films hat are produced by Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, if they have any Chase back accounts they should be closed, They can't drive a Ford or GM or drive any modern car due to these two.
These asshats just got added to my shit list for being closed minded rtards.
And people should stop taking Trump's campaign statements seriously. Candidates running for office say and promise anything to get elected but rarely implement any of their campaign promises.
Then what should we judge him on exactly? His many fraudulent businesses dealings? His terrible interpersonal skills? His constant, pathological lying about things that can be simply fact checked? His ridiculous hair? Give me something here.
Trump would have no support from either party and the chance of him getting some of his more crazy ideas moved forward is effectively nil.
Again, if you don't believe any of his platform will actually happen then you are effectively voting for a complete unknown politically, and a person that has shown to be vulgar, petty, vindictive and racist on a personal level.
There's no surprise on either side here.
Palmer has freedom of speech and freedom of choice to do what he wants. While some may or may not view his methods or message as unpleasant, he's broken no laws.
The protesting devs have the right to protest as they will legally, just as folks will or will not buy from either Oculus or the opposing devs based on their politics and statements. (circle of life and all of that)
To borrow from Devo, everyone involved has the freedom of choice to do as they will within the confines of the law -- it's not Freedom FROM their choices, so the fallout towards all sides saying or doing things that others disagree is a non-issue and unsurprising.
James Green, co-founder of VR developer Carbon Games. "I absolutely support him doing whatever he wants politically if it's legal. To take any other position is against American values."
Nobody has suggested Mr. Luckey be prevented from expressing his political opinion. But expression comes with the possibility of reply, in both passive lack of support and active rebuttal.
Wars are won two ways: 1) Attrition 2) Loss of public support. We have failed to win conflicts since WWII mostly due to the peace movement. When your enemy has more resolve than you and knows that your populace will not support war, they win. They just need to push back long enough for the other side to grow weary and give up. Between being over sensitive on collateral damage and a large anti-war movement, we are paralyzed militarily. The world knows that and it emboldens them. In the end, our peace loving protesters could very likely cause more death and destruction than they save. War should be a last resort, but the resolve to engage it, is a great deterrence. We lack that.
Free speech doesn't have limits.
So you think that child pornography should be legal?
I like Hillary so you can't like Trump, my way or no way. I'm a big crybaby. Clinton supporters are just dumb as fuck. Brain washed really.
Watching you all fight over which corrupt goon we should hire, has been both the most entertaining, and the most dismal thing I have EVER experienced in this life.
Well that may be because you don't remember the events.
Here's the timeline for you
Paris Peace Accords 1973
Nixon Resigns 1974
Saigon Falls 1975
And you're just asking for retaliation for Hillary's shitposting and inflammatory memes. I don't want to see commerce imploding because no one will work or buy from anyone else. If you're going to try to screw each other over, can't you at least keep it to politics?
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You know Bruce, I used to consider you a decent person. Then I saw that you change to support whatever is popular, principles be damned. I don't believe you actually believe anything you claim to any more. I honestly think you just want to be smug and feel that you're a better person than everyone else.
Farewell, I never new ye.
What I don't understand half people voting in this country are voting for Trump regardless of what you or I think. What gives with companies making political stands like this? How is this professional behavior? How does this help Insomniac win customers and grow their business?
Seems like an exceedingly childish and stupid way to lose customers in an extremely constrained market to begin with.
Insomniac Games condemns all forms of hate speech. While everyone has a right to express his or her political opinion, the behavior and sentiments reported do not reflect the values of our company
This statement is an oxymoron.
a political climate as fragile and horrifying as this one, we cannot tacitly endorse these actions by supporting Luckey or his platform.
"horrifying" and "fragile" ... Good riddance douches. Your games are shit anyway.
This is free speech working the way it should work.
I refer you to the XKCD panels about the First Amendment.
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/fr...
"I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." : Dogbert
The developers don't like what someone does with his own money? Screw them. I don't like what they do with THEIR money.
I would sooner blacklist the lot of them.
You should try a Christian moralizer, a Wall Street banker, a libertarian, a factory worker, a veteran, a police officer, and a rural farmer.
Reagan's big tent gets full of barking pretty quick.
James Green, co-founder of VR developer Carbon Games: "I absolutely support him doing whatever he wants politically if it's legal. To take any other position is against American values."
"This backlash is nonsense"
If you support the neo-nazi enabler Luckey from doing what he wants politically if it's legal, and suggesting anything else would be un-American... you are BY YOUR OWN DEFINITION being un-American for complaining some other people doing are doing what they want political. I really wonder how hypocrites brains work sometimes.... then i remember i don't actually give mush of a shit about someone who's so cluelessly fucked in the head.
Fascism: An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. See also: NAZI's
> So basically these developers are intolerant of any type of political message other than their own.
> James Green, co-founder of VR developer Carbon Games. "I absolutely support him doing whatever he wants politically if it's legal. To take any other position is against American values."
It's legal to promote bigotry. It's even legal to call for lynching a certain race of people. American values is to let people say what they think no matter how vile and repulsive that is but that doesn't mean there will not be consequences for what you say or what vile cause you support.
It's "American values" to let the KKK hold rallies, but say you support KKK rallies on your next job application and watch what happens.
So if you disagree with Trump then boycott Oculus, boycott Luckey, boycott James Green and boycott Carbon Games. It's that simple.
Luckey says he's a fan of shitposting. He can dish it out, but he can't take it. Karma is a bitch.
No, those people would all respect each others opinions.
I agree its everybody right to speak their mind, but they have to prepare for the consequences of their actions. what goes up, must come down i think is about darm time enough people get up and surface these actions. it's these brave actions by the few, that show leadership and value for your fellow man.. Trump, while perceived as a niceguy to some, may serve to evoke crap from others.. Either way he is a politician, ya cant win them all.. but I will say this, I think with the amount of Hateful fecal matter that has fallen from his dirty and stained lips, its amazing that reports of these things have not surfaced earlier, or even perhaps worse. I agree Hillary is not perfect, but..... lets face it she is not Trump.. Which could be good or bad, depending on your perception.. I cannot or rather will not conjecture on the options, and it may seem to bias and thus tarnish the integrity of the article I am trying to convey. That said, thank you all for your time, patience, and attention with regard to this "blurb" of info..
We find out he pays to shitpost forums and this thread is loaded with shitposts!!!! WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW WHOD'A THUNK IT!?!
Looks like Carbon Games is the only one who wants my money.
I wonder what the people supporting this will say when the Trump-et crowd hounds someone out of their job for donating to the "racist, segregationist, pro-violence-on-cops Black Lives Matter hate group"?
You don't think that's a fair description of BLM? Try explaining your reasons to the baying mob.
No, these attacks on Luckey, Brendan Eich and so forth aren't censorship, exactly, but they are certainly intimidation, and an attempt to move certain political positions outside the realm of legitimate discussion. That's not something I welcome, and nor will the people doing it when they discover their opponents can do it to them as well.
People still don't get it.
I wonder when America is going to lose its freedom like Europe.
Pulling support for Oculus Rift is also political and legal. If James Green doesn't support this just as well, then by his own logic, he is taking a position against American values.
A game developer boycotting a platform, and hence forego millions in profits, is a good illustration of the idea that money and the actions it pays for amounts to political speech.
As for the choice these game developers are making, I think they are a bit naive. Hillary Clinton and her wealthy supporters, PACs, and affiliated groups, have a large number of highly skilled political message consultants and PR experts working for her, trying to manipulate public opinion in her favor, including through massive use of social media. The only thing that is remarkable about someone sinking millions into an organization whose job is to create "shitposts" about Hillary on social media is what an inept attempt at PR it actually is.
As usual, we have Hillary Clinton's well-oiled political machinery versus Donald Trump's incompetent attempt at running a political campaign. The really remarkable thing is that Hillary Clinton is such a lousy candidate and her political program is so bad that she still is struggling to put together a decisive win. Just imagine how poorly she would be doing if she actually ran against a serious candidate.
Russia didn't nuke you.
China didn't nuke you.
Seems to be working still.
Please vote Trump or perhaps 3rd party or nothing. I say that as a western European that fits all the caricatures you may have.
I can't make sense of how we're supposed to consider Trump has no decency or moral ground, when the alternative belongs to a Nuremberg trial more than anything.
Hillary is already in power basically and she ran the war making department for a few years. She allied the US with Al Qaida so as to wage war in Libya and then Syria, and by extension the US's vassal States are allied to Al Qaida as well. Weren't those the big bad a decade ago? (after the "Axis of Evil", maybe). Vassal states (like France) are mired in the war lies and descending to slow-motion dictatorship, under the background of terrorist attacks (glorified school shootings) for which I hold Hillary Clinton ultimately responsible. She's been supporting Jihad - even though Saudi Arabia pays for most of it and a number of other countries have their hands in that dickery, the US political and military support for Jihad has been huge enough to hold this superpower accountable for something. She was leading the US Empire, and seeks to take the first seat to lead it again.
Trump talks trash with dangerous racist, misogynistic etc. comments. Clinton has shown by her acts that she is not above supporting rape, pillaging and genocide.
I've heard some days ago that we're living through the biggest and worst refugee outbreak since WW2. All these murdered countries will live in civil war or whatever you can call it for at least a decade and a change in US presidency will most likely be a false hope. But please, don't vote for the person with a large firsthand responsibility in these horrors.
There is a reason the Democrat Party is the Party of the Klu Klux Klan.
Because you're living in the past?
Margaret Sanger is a hero to Hillary by her own words, as was the racist Robert Byrd. You know, that Democrat Senator that was a Klu Klux Klan Grand Dragon and bragged he had the highest recruitment rate of anyone in his state. He served until 2010 in the senate. Hillary said many times he was her mentor.
Yeah, that terrible Margaret Sanger, who totally wanted women to control their own bodies, and choose when to have babies, what evil! And Byrd, yeah, you'd have a point, maybe, if it was Byrd of the 1940s, but oh wait, oh wait, he repudiated the racism of the past himself, and oh wait, oh wait, that's the Byrd that Hillary would have known.
Too bad you can't admit that.
And look how things have turned out for blacks under the Democrats. Look at Chicago, Detroit and Baltimore (and more), all bastions of Democratic Progressive Liberalism for decades. If a person can't see 'it' they are a Democrat Racist for sure. Actions speak louder than words.
Sometimes when your words are actions, they speak loudly enough. Notice how you haven't provided any specific actions that Democrats did in those cities, for example. Notice how you haven't admitted that Conservative Republican has been a bit factor in national and state policies, which include things like NAFTA and POWA, among others. Notice how you can't and won't admit that those cities aren't sovereign, or even that the police department of those cities which have been shown to be a problem, are separate from the actual populations of those cities.
Oh wait, you already got done with KKK and Byrd business. Which you know, leaves out the Republican side of things that actually matters today.
Funny that.
Never heard of them.
"She will say anything to get elected."
-Barack Obama, 2012
You pansy ass. I'll bet the developers are fresh out of college.
It's a good thing that your statement has nothing at all to do with anything.
Lol slashdot...
1) Guy uses money to make speech.
2) Other guy uses money to make speech.
3) Slashdot: "OH MY GOD! That guy #2 is intolerant!"
Oh wait, you already got done with KKK and Byrd business. Which you know, leaves out the Republican side of things that actually matters today.
Funny that.
Your sad attempt at post-rationalization and logic are what is "funny."
First, I noticed you conveniently left out the blatant behavior of Democrats racists and bigots (especially the "leadership") that is happening today. The DNC emails (classified as a "today" event) just scratch the surface. An inconvenient truth I know.
Also you left out the tremendous influence, Sanger and Byrd had and continues to have on Hillary which ends up in concrete actions today. How do we know? Because these facts have come from Hillary's own mouth, words came out of her mouth (not yours) about this influence and that is incontrovertible. No matter how much an Anonymous Coward wants a revisionist reality to make themselves feel better about Democratic Racism we have the stark true reality of Chicago, Washington, Detroit and Baltimore to name just a few.
Those places are wholly "owned" by progressive liberals because they have controlled them, unopposed, for many decades. And they are still controlled and operated today by these same people. Done.
Considering the "fire in a crowded theater" remark is from a Supreme Court decision OKAYING the jailing of people critical of World War I, you both are missing the point. Speech has no action. Being jailed for the substance of what you say is how totalitarian governments work. Libel/Slander is a civil matter.
There is something sacrosanct about free speech. It's the cornerstone of the entire little experiment here in the United States.
Anyone that knows anything about 4chan /pol/ etc. knows that they (Nimble America) are just taking credit for what the /pol/ "community" spawned.
The entire kek/pepe meme magic stuff is all user generated. Even /pol/ itself is divided on whether or not it is a good thing that they are taking credit.
No one seems to be discussing how maybe its a good thing that the more extreme fringes of that community is distracted worshiping a memetic ancient egyptian ogdoad diety, chasing dubs trips and quads, instead of bothering real people with race issues.
My kingdom for mod points. Let's not forget the Democratic-controlled Congress that cut all funding to South Vietnam.
Not only that but a very high number of Planned Parenthood facilities are located specifically in black neighborhoods. Far more by proportion than in white neighborhoods. And that is happening today, right now, this minute. Sanger and the Eugenics Crowd are still working hard at killing black people. The Democrats destroyed the Black Family by getting them to kick out the man in the family to get a few pieces of silver that then goes back to the Democrats. And the real funny thing is; black people keep voting for the very people trying to kill them while believing all the lies for decades. They are clearly not paying attention to what is happening today.
Serves him right. Luckey probably was never good with women. And when you look like an ugly woman, you might hate other women too after all the rejection.
Please stop posting articles unrelated to news for nerds . Besides which, just because a group of people does something, doesn't make it right. Too much of today's politics seem driven by mob mentality and confirmation bias rather than more objective reasoning.
good mod point..
whom ever you are this type of hate is unacceptable..
your verbage is hateful
your usage is hostile..
Your point really bears repeating. I don't know how people can be so willing to just dismiss what a candidate says they'll do. I mean, saying that all politicians make meaningless campaign statements, though true some of the time, ignores the many, many campaign statements that, once elected, politicians actually follow through on. In fact, the majority of campaign statements made by politicians actually do manifest in some form or another.
Of course, I can already hear the, "Trump isn't a politician," sentiments. Fine. To those to whom that applies, if you prefer to ignore actual campaign statements under the assumption that, really, Trump is a decent guy who'll just do whatever the right thing is (or at least, less wrong than Hillary), I'm sure he'll happily sell you exclusive real estate too.
"Is not a sentence" is not a sentence. Well damn.
we could get a law written that forbids negative advertising towards the other candidate.
I'm kinda tired of seeing all the " Look how bad X is for this position because of Y " ads that dominate the airways this time of year.
I would much rather see " I believe I'm the better choice for the position because of the following accomplishments or strengths I posses " instead.
Considering neither candidate has much to brag about, the number of ads would be quite limited in number.
A win-win all the way around.
Was true in Vietnam.
How many years have we been at war now?
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Hardly an answer to the very legetimate question.
there is nothing specially sacrosanct about speech.
There's a document you should read that says otherwise. Freedom to say what you want is an inalienable right.
Free speech doesn't have limits.
So you think that child pornography should be legal?
WTF are you talking about? Free speech doesn't cover raping and abusing children because that's not speech. Making child porn is and should be illegal.
Never been more disappointed to be a leftist. Throwing temper tantrums because someone disagrees with me. Holy hell.
Your sad attempt at post-rationalization and logic are what is "funny."
Not nearly as "funny" as how you keep refusing to examine Republicans today. No matter how much you want to blind yourself to the stark, true reality, of it.
First, I noticed you conveniently left out the blatant behavior of Democrats racists and bigots (especially the "leadership") that is happening today. The DNC emails (classified as a "today" event) just scratch the surface. An inconvenient truth I know.
Actually, you just didn't provide any actual evidence for your accusation. I suppose I could have demanded you provide support to your allegations, but I never figured you would.
That said, if you do want something public, try something like this from a Ohio Republican.
“If you’re black and you haven’t been successful in the last 50 years, it’s your own fault. You’ve had every opportunity, it was given to you,” she said.
Ah, good to know that she's so very sure of people's life experiences. Too bad for her the Pigford case was settled in the last 50 years. Too bad the racism in state death penalty cases was in the last 50 years. Too bad for her the CIA was selling crack cocaine in black neighborhoods in the 1980s. Too bad for her banks have admitted to racial discrimination in the past few years!
“You’ve had the same schools everybody else went to. You had benefits to go to college that white kids didn’t have. You had all the advantages and didn’t take advantage of it. It’s not our fault, certainly.”
No, wait, she just doesn't want it to be her fault. Even if she was shown the discrepancy in schools, the lack of college acceptance, she'd never believe it. She'd think that they got all sorts of gifts and hand-ups, and that's that!
“Growing up as a kid, there was no racism, believe me. We were just all kids going to school.”
Oh my, a kid going to school, that's a clear sign of a wide experience in life outside her own experiences, isn't it?
Asked about segregation and the civil rights movement, she replied: “I never experienced it. I never saw that as anything.”
Huh, wait, apparently she never experienced it, so...maybe she should have realized she didn't know what she was talking about?
Miller added: “I don’t think there was any racism until Obama got elected. We never had problems like this ... Now, with the people with the guns, and shooting up neighborhoods, and not being responsible citizens, that’s a big change, and I think that’s the philosophy that Obama has perpetuated on America.”
Notice how she didn't identify anything Obama said or did. She just wants to blame him, so it's HIS fault. It's got to be Obama. Somehow.
Miller dismissed the suggestion that Trump was exploiting racist or prejudiced views among some voters as “the media making stuff up”. Instead, she said of the Republican nominee: “He’s very willing to talk about issues that have never been discussed publicly.”
Like his tax records and his business dealings?
When it was pointed out that some people might find her remarks offensive, Miller replied: “I don’t care, it’s the truth.”
Ah well, she has the truth then, I guess that's that, isn't it?
Also you left out the tremendous influence, Sanger and Byrd had and continues to have on Hillary which ends up in concrete actions today. How do we know? Because these facts have come from Hillary's own mouth, words came out of her mouth (not yours) about this influence and that is incontrovertible.
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Just convinced me to finally buy the OC Rift. Sorry to hear I won't be able to spend my money on your titles. Not missing much from what I see.
TL:DR.
When you get a Wall of Text like that, you just know they are compensating for a tiny penis and trying really, really hard to convince themselves (but no one else) they are "right." Sorry Anon McFailFace, you already lost. (Also read the other guys post below mine about Planned "Parenthood." Too much inconvenient truth I know.)
Treating others badly for having the "wrong" political opinions is a grand human tradition. It's nothing to be proud of.
your intelerance of his intolerance of Hillary's intolerance, right?
No matter how much you cretins try to camouflage it, your fake "tolerance" and opposition to "hate" really just amounts to only tolerating what you like and labelling anything you disagree with as "hate" (which you, of course HATE)
Dealing with you people is like dealing with 4 year olds.... a bunch of little snowflakes who have never lived enough in the real world to know that words do not actually cause pain and that sometimes we can learn, and get other perspectives PRECISELY by listening to people who say things with which you disagree.
Ever since the start of the "progressive" political movement at the start of the 20th century, there have been several core elements which are not advertized, but are require pillars of the ideology. The ideology sounds like "progress" but has as much in common with progress as an arsonist has with a librarian. Dig deepy enough and you will find the elements below, and understand why "progressive" lead to gas chambers, genocide, and the term disappeared from the American lexicon from 1941 to when Hillary publicly dusted it off again in 2008.
There are no fixed, objective standards. "Progress" towards the never-to-be-defined destination requires flexibility. This is all about continually moving the Overton Window. Sometimes progressives admit to this one as they pretend thay are moving society into the future, but usually they pretend thay are not doing it and they denounce people who reject the leftward move as having moved right, even when no such rightward move has happened.
The ends justify the means. This is a natural partner to "no fixed standards". Truthfulness is a standard. Sadly, this is a biggie which leads right into re-education camps for those who disagree and extermination for undesireables. This is not the usual form of ends justifying a means, as with a nation in a war for its very survival where some leaders wrestle with the moral issues of a bombing target and must do one thing they think is morally bad to avoid a greater moral ill. The progressive form is in EVERYTHING, even when the issue is not very important, and even if the means are being applied against somthing that is not evil and not a non-political-policy threat.
People are interchangeable. People can be treated as large groups and individuals must conform to the norms of those groups. A person may be black but must "act black". A person may be gay but must "act gay". A person may be a woman but must "act like a woman". In this context "act" is not in the form of superficial displays, but rather conforming to political/cultural norms for the defined groups. If individuals do not conform to the norms of their groups then they frustrate the scheme that depends on treating people by group, and they must therefore be declared to not be "real" members of those groups.
Alternate views will not be tolerated. Progressives are always so certain they are obviously correct and have the best agenda that they will attempt to stomp out alternate views and since those alternate views are not progressive, stomping them out is seen as a good thing. The evil suspension of speech, oppression of objectors, etc is covered in propaganda which attempts to slime the non-progressives as unworthy of consideration and thereby properly suppressed.
This stuff is all contrary to the basic ideas of the founding of the United States. Many Americans embraced early 20th century progressivism when first advanced by "good" guys like Teddy Roosevelt and when wrapped in the cloak of kicking-off a new century of progress powered by SCIENCE. By the 1930s American progressives were talking-up eugenics, injecting huge government into everything, and the general population could see it in full force across the Atlantic. By January 1942 the support for progressivism evaporated in the United States and you were unlikely to hear anybody pushing it to the general public until Hillary and Obama were fighting for the nomination in 2008.
Sadly for you, Hillary spent piles of cash pushing back against users on Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, Instagram, etc who were probably unaware they were being trolled by her paid shills. She ran quite the troll outfit against Bernie.
Actually, the modern era of well-funded underhanded internet tolling BEGAN with Clinton 1.0 in the 1990s when BillClinton could not keep his hands off the intern, or the secretary, or the campaign worker, etc. Various Democrat supporters ponied-up lots of cash and started a whole bunch of left-leaning internet-centric operations to trash Clinton opponents, distract the public from the scandals, etc. This is where MoveOn.org (as-in "move on, already! Bill's babes were ASKING for it! the economy is good! The Federal prosecuters are a bunch of sex-starved prudes!, the women accusing Bill are the sort you get when you drag a $20 bill through a trailer park!...") originated. It's also where the most-famous opportunistic phoneys in American politics got their start. Both David Brock and Arianna Huffington pretended to be conservatives for several years to learn about their enemies then they took off their masks and launched huge anti-GOP online empires. That was the beginning of the new era of hyper-spin in politics. In the era of Nixon, the president tried (and failed) to "spin" by going before cameras and saying "I am not a crook". In the era of the Clintons, the president was saying (and getting away with) "it depends on the meaning of the word 'is'" and even the most-basic facts in ANY argument became negotiable/debateable.
As a cherry on top of this super-sized hypocrisy sundae, a huge number of the left's online trolling outlets are funded at least partially by George Soros, AFAIK the only man on the planet who has bragged that his time as a NAZI collaborator (yup, an actual servant of THE Adolph Hitler) was the happiest time of his lfe and he is prod of what he did (he's working hard to finish Hitler's dream of eliminate the sovereignty of the US and the UK and submerging the west into a global tyranny).
When's the last time an army of Trump supporters demanded that a person lose his job for contributing money to "correct the record" or "media matters"?
"Tolerance - sympathy or indulgence for beliefs or practices differing from or conflicting with one's own" - Webster's Dictionary
Who are the REAL tolerant people in American politics? hmmmmmmm?
And people with money need to get you to beleive what they want, so they can keep what they have and steal, err earn even more.
TL:DR.
When you get a Wall of Text like that, you just know they are compensating for a tiny penis and trying really, really hard to convince themselves (but no one else) they are "right."
Translation: I can't actually argue with what you have said, so I'll resort to a meaningless retort about length!
I know, I know, it offends you to have to hear more than the 10 word answer, you want short simple remarks, that make you feel comfortable. And you certainly don't want to read the ACTUAL words of somebody on the Republican side being exposed. Just like you don't want to look at what any Democrats actually said, you just want to characterize it as double-plus un-good like a good peon, and keep on screaming that even after you're exposed as a liar.
Sorry Anon McFailFace, you already lost. (Also read the other guys post below mine about Planned "Parenthood." Too much inconvenient truth I know.)
Oh goodness, you mean that post where somebody expresses offense at a charity having facilities where the poor can access them?
Man, I'd buy that conservatives were truly upset with the idea if Reagan hadn't gone off on Welfare Queens nearly as often as he did the Russians. And oh wait, wait, that poster thinks blacks are still at fault! Ah, Trump's leadership, blaming others is the way to go.
I will grant the Quiverful movement is another story. Though I think a lot of them are into the babies idea to have greater numbers of their Superior Christian Kind, and they wouldn't be averse to reduced competition as it were.
Has nothing to do with the actual purpose of Planned Parenthood, which is in itself noble, and to the contrary of Jon Kyl's claims, 97% not abortions. But I suppose you'd rather all the work they do preventing fetal maldevelopment be ignored.
Can't wait to see what you'll deliver after the debate.
People still don't seem to understand.
If you are a government official, the head or on the board of a company (large or small), a clerk at the candy store, a gardener, a taxi driver, a ....
Fuck if. If you are a person with ANYTHING TO LOSE, you are NOT ALLOWED to have a personal, political or contrary opinion to ANYONE else.
Deal with it.
Lol. HillShill AC's live a life of Lies.
"The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. Ignorance may
deride it. But in the end, there it is. - Winston Churchill
Keep killing black babies, at least you are good at one thing.
Huffy, whinger-babies want to censor free speech by labelling it hate speech. Oculus can do just fine without them. If they don't write Oculus games, don't buy anything from them.
A taste of their own medicine might be awful enough that they reconsider dollar-censoring free speech.
The most unholy thing about the US is that companies are too political. Do what you want as a citizen, with your own money (providing it's legal), but keep companies to their reason d'etre, not a political battering ram or bully machine.
Truth is the cry of all, but the game of the few.
George Berkeley, Siris, par. 368.
Keep on shilling lies while professing to truth, you're no good at it, but at least you aren't wasting your time doing anything else.
You are being willfully obtuse, you know what I meant. Criminal speech is no different from other crimes.
There is no such thing as criminal speech. Speech is never illegal. You and a lot of lawyers, congressmen, and judges need to go and fucking read.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
There can be no law that abridges the freedom of speech. Plain as fucking day. Anyone trying to "interpret" it any other way is trying to illegally strip citizens of their rights.
Believe what you want but there are lots of types of speech that are currently criminal. I'm talking reality, you are talking fantasy land. Just curious though, do you think things like fraud, copyright infringement, false advertising and child pornography should be legal? Because those are types of speech.
I'm talking about the highest fucking law in the land. It's clowns like you that are living in a fantasy land where people can ignore the fucking law and "interpret" things to their whimsical desires. The sad part is that morons like you allow those in power to act like tyrants.
Just curious though, do you think things like fraud, copyright infringement, false advertising and child pornography should be legal? Because those are types of speech.
Fraud would be illegal once you make off with the victims property. The speech used in your con could be used to establish your criminal intent, but it would not in itself be illegal.
Copyright infringement: yes, completely legal. It was an interesting concept, but it has turned out to be a mistake.
False advertising is simply lying and, if caught, has the same consequences (ruined credibility with the public). That is bad for business. It isn't like you can hide such lies, since the public will eventually experience your product and find that it doesn't match up with your advertisement. That said, marketing people are lowlife scum and you'd need robust independent press and consumer protection organizations to keep advertisers honest.
Raping kids, whether you film it or not, should be illegal. Talking about it, and yes, possessing recorded material should be legal. However, it is evidence of a crime and it would probably be seized in order to identify victims and investigate/prosecute the rapists.
I don't remember a US victory in Vietnam.
Took a while
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
My related question would be: How many of the Slashdot trolls are working for Palmer Luckey?
Probably less than the paid trolls for Hillary.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/a...
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
I hope that mindless reply made you feel much better about backing your super-loser Donald.
Case one: You are sincere, probably a hater, and deserve nothing but pity.
Case two: You are paid to fake it. In which case your silver is worth more than your soul ever was.
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
What makes you think I support either of them?
Slamming Luckey for something that Hillary is doing as well seems a little hypocritical.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?