I was with Prodigy internet for a brief period. I phoned up their tech-support and asked them if they used standard PPP, and the bloke said yes. Then I asked him If I could connect using Linux (notice the deliberate trick quesiton), and he said no way. He told me I would be the first person ever to connect using a UNIX if I did. That wraped up prodigy in my mind, although my old ISP (Bell Atlantic) made a monumental hash of my billing, and I had to switch because they disconnected me. So... I connected to prodigy from linux. Exactly the same ppp setup as for Bell. Now I'm with AT&T... same ppp setup. Most of the ISPs use standard PAP authentication. Only cretins like AOL and MSN are really wierd (or people in cahoots with 'em). I have never had any trouble connecting to any other ISP (so far) - although getting pertinent info out of tech support like DNS settings can be like drawing blood from a stone at times.
On a 56k connection it's hard enough as it is to download a netscape upgrade or a Mozilla release.
I already hate the fact that it comes with an HTML builder, a mail reader, a news reader and AOL IM.
I have a perfectly good mail reader called pine, and a great HTML builder called my-keyboard-and-vim.
Will someone please please make these things modules that you can opt to download in addition to a core browser download. I have a 16Meg 486 that is used as a family machine, it handles everything fine until you run netscape which eats the machine. Please stop writing _more_ crap. Concentrate on making a really good browser. Right now, I have to pick MSIE 5 for preference everytime. Netscape sucks, and so far, the mozilla releases that I've seen, whilst better, still don't come close.
Your doing a pretty good job of being that stereotypical American pig headed idiot. It makes us Europeans simply beleive that we are infact right about Americans. (Who the hell brought up racism anyway... oh yeah, it was you, funny that, wonder why America has some many racism problems). Get a brain. There is a big difference between showing interest in an article, and actively campaigning against it's being published. _you_ shut up and crawl back under whatever rock you clibmed out from under.
I am intereseted in international issues, particularly when it comes to LUG users being troden on. If we can't even sort things out in our own community, what chance do we have of having a positive effect on the M$ dominated world around us?
Quit flamming, and do something worthwhile with your time.
Geez... privacy is one thing, but disregarding the value of anonymity! please... save the whinning - Anonymous Coward. It's not like you even have to list your valid email addy, and besides, you think they don't have your IP?
Get over it. Anonymity is dead. Privacy is on the way out, and the US is the no.1 country for bad privacy laws.
My company has just over 100 employees, and our admin is begging to change to UNIX and sendmail. He hates sendmail configuration, but is so sick and tired of messing with exchange and our antivirus stuff every day that he wants to change _bad_.
The config of sendmail may appear rather odd and difficult, but once you get used to it, it's not too bad. Compared to the vast list of problems in Exchange. We got hit by a spammer using our Exchange server to relay through and 'pretend' to come from our domain to send out to just over 1mil users. The mail we got back choked our mail system. I don't know much about the workings of exchange, but our admin found no way to stop exchange from relaying mail that wasnt for our domain. This is a one liner in sendmail. Sendmail is _much_ safer.
(P.S. For sendmail mail read sendmail/qmail - many prefer qmails ease of config)
We moved about a month ago, and have not even bothered getting our TV reconnected with cable yet, and probably wont for awhile. We just don't watch it enough, particularly during the summer... all repeats of ST:VOY, and no more ST:DS9... the series on the SF channel arent bad... but that's really it. I get weather, news and everything else I need online. And I don't even have a cable modem or DSL connection!;)
Whilst the test have highlighted some 'limitations' of Linux in a lab, and whilst this looks bad for Linux, and is something that we the Open Source Community should address seriously if we wish to gain widespread acceptance in the business world, it really fails to represent reality. My company is using a Dual P90 as it's main webserver, not a quad P500. If we got 1000 hits a second on our webpages we would probably die of heart failure. I saw a report that suggested that even the Charles Shwab e-trade site only gets aprox. 642 hits a second. Looking at it one way, the test showed that Linux for $0 is perfectly capable of performing the same job as NT for $1500 (once you add in mail etc..). Whilst NT might be faster in _HUGE_ volume tests, in the real world, there is probably little or no difference except in the area of stability.
However... for very small organisations, I run an ftp server, web server internal DNS, NIS, SMB (there is one Win95 machine) etc... for a small network comprised almost entirely of old 486s w/16MB mem, and 400MB HDs, Linux is the _only_ choice. NT wouldnt run on these machines and 95 isnt pretty! My home LAN which cost me less than $300 for 6 machines hub cables and all, plus $1600 for my main system (which I bought new and is now rather an outdated P166 w/8.4GHD+3.5GHD 64MB RAM) (7 machines in total). It performs great for my needs. If I were a small business, I think that I would have to think twice or three times before outlaying large sums of money to M$ for a system that was so over my needs, instead of using a system that would cost me so little.
Linux offers computing 'solutions' where NT offers computing 'problems'.
Bang/$, Linux will always win. Cost of upgrade since Linux 1.x software and all... $0
Cost of upgrade since DOS for M$ softward and all?... anyone care to speculate?
Do we need to improve Linux' high end performance just for the sake of benchmarks? possibly not, but It wouldnt hurt.
The child is a minor. Why did the parents allow the child access to porn sites and games such as Doom (which I beleive in the UK are rated 15)?. The parents are totaly to blame.
We should all storm Microsoft headquarters and claim that we were incited to revolt by the moronic quality of their software suing them for mental anguish and any personal injuring aquired during the riot:)
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I was with Prodigy internet for a brief period.
I phoned up their tech-support and asked them if they used standard PPP, and the bloke said yes. Then I asked him If I could connect using Linux (notice the deliberate trick quesiton), and he said no way. He told me I would be the first person ever to connect using a UNIX if I did. That wraped up prodigy in my mind, although my old ISP (Bell Atlantic) made a monumental hash of my billing, and I had to switch because they disconnected me. So... I connected to prodigy from linux. Exactly the same ppp setup as for Bell. Now I'm with AT&T... same ppp setup. Most of the ISPs use standard PAP authentication. Only cretins like AOL and MSN are really wierd (or people in cahoots with 'em). I have never had any trouble connecting to any other ISP (so far) - although getting pertinent info out of tech support like DNS settings can be like drawing blood from a stone at times.
I don't beleive it!
On a 56k connection it's hard enough as it is to download a netscape upgrade or a Mozilla release.
I already hate the fact that it comes with an HTML builder, a mail reader, a news reader and AOL IM.
I have a perfectly good mail reader called pine, and a great HTML builder called my-keyboard-and-vim.
Will someone please please make these things modules that you can opt to download in addition to a core browser download. I have a 16Meg 486 that is used as a family machine, it handles everything fine until you run netscape which eats the machine. Please stop writing _more_ crap. Concentrate on making a really good browser. Right now, I have to pick MSIE 5 for preference everytime. Netscape sucks, and so far, the mozilla releases that I've seen, whilst better, still don't come close.
Moronus Maxiumus.
American.
Your doing a pretty good job of being that stereotypical American pig headed idiot. It makes us Europeans simply beleive that we are infact right about Americans. (Who the hell brought up racism anyway... oh yeah, it was you, funny that, wonder why America has some many racism problems). Get a brain. There is a big difference between showing interest in an article, and actively campaigning against it's being published. _you_ shut up and crawl back under whatever rock you clibmed out from under.
I am intereseted in international issues, particularly when it comes to LUG users being troden on. If we can't even sort things out in our own community, what chance do we have of having a positive effect on the M$ dominated world around us?
Quit flamming, and do something worthwhile with your time.
Geez... privacy is one thing, but disregarding the value of anonymity! please... save the whinning - Anonymous Coward. It's not like you even have to list your valid email addy, and besides, you think they don't have your IP?
Get over it. Anonymity is dead. Privacy is on the way out, and the US is the no.1 country for bad privacy laws.
My company has just over 100 employees, and our admin is begging to change to UNIX and sendmail. He hates sendmail configuration, but is so sick and tired of messing with exchange and our antivirus stuff every day that he wants to change _bad_.
:)
The config of sendmail may appear rather odd and difficult, but once you get used to it, it's not too bad. Compared to the vast list of problems in Exchange. We got hit by a spammer using our Exchange server to relay through and 'pretend' to come from our domain to send out to just over 1mil users. The mail we got back choked our mail system. I don't know much about the workings of exchange, but our admin found no way to stop exchange from relaying mail that wasnt for our domain. This is a one liner in sendmail. Sendmail is _much_ safer.
(P.S. For sendmail mail read sendmail/qmail - many prefer qmails ease of config)
Musicmaker
Excellent!
;)
;)
can't wait for next weeks broadcast.
I am trying hard of something contreversial to say but... ahh... just can't think of anything
Good broadcast guys
We moved about a month ago, and have not even bothered getting our TV reconnected with cable yet, and probably wont for awhile. We just don't watch it enough, particularly during the summer... all repeats of ST:VOY, and no more ST:DS9... the series on the SF channel arent bad... but that's really it. I get weather, news and everything else I need online. And I don't even have a cable modem or DSL connection! ;)
Long life the NET!
Musicmaker
up down key scrolling...
hmm... it doesnt work in WinNT!!
at least not on my computer
Whilst the test have highlighted some 'limitations' of Linux in a lab, and whilst this looks bad for Linux, and is something that we the Open Source Community should address seriously if we wish to gain widespread acceptance in the business world, it really fails to represent reality. My company is using a Dual P90 as it's main webserver, not a quad P500. If we got 1000 hits a second on our webpages we would probably die of heart failure. I saw a report that suggested that even the Charles Shwab e-trade site only gets aprox. 642 hits a second. Looking at it one way, the test showed that Linux for $0 is perfectly capable of performing the same job as NT for $1500 (once you add in mail etc..). Whilst NT might be faster in _HUGE_ volume tests, in the real world, there is probably little or no difference except in the area of stability.
However... for very small organisations, I run an ftp server, web server internal DNS, NIS, SMB (there is one Win95 machine) etc... for a small network comprised almost entirely of old 486s w/16MB mem, and 400MB HDs, Linux is the _only_ choice. NT wouldnt run on these machines and 95 isnt pretty! My home LAN which cost me less than $300 for 6 machines hub cables and all, plus $1600 for my main system (which I bought new and is now rather an outdated P166 w/8.4GHD+3.5GHD 64MB RAM) (7 machines in total). It performs great for my needs. If I were a small business, I think that I would have to think twice or three times before outlaying large sums of money to M$ for a system that was so over my needs, instead of using a system that would cost me so little.
Linux offers computing 'solutions' where NT offers computing 'problems'.
Bang/$, Linux will always win. Cost of upgrade since Linux 1.x software and all... $0
Cost of upgrade since DOS for M$ softward and all?...
anyone care to speculate?
Do we need to improve Linux' high end performance just for the sake of benchmarks? possibly not, but It wouldnt hurt.
Erm.. hello?
:)
They should be suing the parent of the child.
The child is a minor. Why did the parents allow the child access to porn sites and games such as Doom (which I beleive in the UK are rated 15)?. The parents are totaly to blame.
We should all storm Microsoft headquarters and claim that we were incited to revolt by the moronic quality of their software suing them for mental anguish and any personal injuring aquired during the riot