I'm frankly getting a bit tired of these posts that don't make any sense, just filled with a bunch of anti-corporate buzzwords, (and yet someone out there keeps moderating them up? Those same people will probably moderate this one way down. Fire away boys, I got karma to burn...)
You seem to be worried about Red Hat not "caring" about the Linux community. *smirk* Look, Bob Young, AFAIK, is still in charge of Red Hat, and he seems committed, no, he seems to "care" about the Linux community. His gang has put out a commercially successful Linux distro, while staying true to the ideals of the Free software and Open Source movements. He still calling the shots. So what makes you people worry that Red Hat doesn't care?
I mean, even if Red Hat *didn't* care, it's still in their interest to promote Linux and Free Software. If no one trusts or uses Free Software, no one is going to buy their product, and their stock holders will be pretty upset.
Look, Red Hat is one of the good guys! They have contributed to GNOME, KDE, XFree86, now the FSF and they release all their software as GPL. Can you say that about Suse? Caldera? (dare I say it...) Debian? (calm down, I'm only pointing out that they give out more money than Debian. Its a Good Thing, don't diss them for it!)
Now, Red Hat isn't a perfect distro, but the folks who blindly critisize it must have some sort of agendas, as I see it. Probably affiliated with a competitor (Suse, Caldera, Debian, MS...) Please don't listen to them (and for cripes sakes stop moderating them up!) If certain members of the Linux community keep tearing down any organization that is successful in promoting Linux and Free Software to a wider audience, then the push to "world domination" will surely fail.
I downloaded the new October GNOME RPMs from one of the mirror sites, and they ran on my Red Hat 6.1 system w/o a hitch.
I use gftp to grab the entire directory of the ftp server. Then at the command line, cd into the new directory and run 'rpm -Uhv *.rpm"; very convenient!
The new features are great, a definate must-have for all GNOMErs out there... Stable as a rock, too.
The poster stated you could write, for example, a GNOME app with non-GTK+ widget sets. But as I pointed out, a GNOME app by definition must be written in GTK+. I never said that you couldn't run non-GTK+ apps in GNOME. They just aren't GNOME apps!
PS. Thanks for calling me names. As I have in the past, I guess I'm falling to your level in this sentence, you shit-for-brains ass-monkey.
(Not that I anticipate any of this happening, but...)
What if Linux "fails" in the commercial/business sector? (By failure I mean "not adopted in any significant numbers", "a flop".) What if, for whatever reason, the current pro-Linux trend is reversed, and in 5 years most current Linux users have moved on to some other, non-Free/Open OS? If the Linux movement fizzes out, would this be a blow to the Free Software/Open Source movement? Do you believe the future of these ideas are tied to the success of Linux?
Recent interest shown by large commericial tech companies (IBM, SGI, Sun) seems to signal a new chapter in the history of Linux. Do you see the participation of these companies strenghtening the linux communitity? Destroying it? Or transforming it into something completely different?
I couldn't get through to your site, it appears to be slashdotted. (go figure!) Anyway I have a few questions...
What would keep someone from confiscating your drive, dd'ing the whole thing to their own system and reading through it at their leisure with a hex editor? Is the hidden data encrypted in some manner?
Also, couldn't the bad guys just take a look at the capacity of the drive, subtract how much space they had access to and calculate the amount of data still hidden to them. They wouldn't know *what* was still hidden, but they'd know it was there, right?
PS: You probably have really obvious answers for these questions, but your site was/.ed, so I couldn't rtfm, remember!
McCain also came forward this week and asked Pat Buchanon to remove himself from the Republican Party because of his comments on the topic of Hitler. Between that and the ban on Internet taxes, you've got one froody candidate. He's a definate maverick, and I like that in a politician. Too bad I'm not a registered Republican, or I could vote for him in the primaries...
Are there any linux usability projects out there now that people can contribute to? (I find this subject fascinating.)
If not, are there any people out there interested in starting one? It certainly could be put to good use, and it might be fun to tackle some of these little issues, and make them available to the masses.
How could I have been so misguided! A child was *gasp* wrongfully suspended! Oh the horror!! Well, the tragedy at Columbine absolutely PALES in comparison to this outrage, this disgrace! Forget watching your classmates being gunned down, the sheer emotional trauma of a WRONGFUL SUSPENSION, or a bad counselor must surely be too much to handle.
I can be so INSENSITIVE sometimes. Instead of focusing on those personally affected by Columbine, (or better yet, on "News for Nerds") let's commisurate the fate of those wrongfully SUSPENDED(!) Let's devote another 1400 comments to this topic, too, please...
Well I *have* thought about it, and I'm still bothered by those narrow-minded folks who were worried more about the priviledges they'd lose, or they were wrongfully punished, than about the fact that so many people were massacered, and complained (whined) publicly and loudly about it.
I don't know why everyone's so convinced that a wrongful suspension is going to push someone over the edge. It may not make anyone happy, and its not fair (welcome to life 101) but AFAIK there are no cases of anyone killing either themselves of someone else over it. If I'm right, then you're just arguing hypotheticals...
PS a bad counselor is going to screw you up whether Columbine happened or not.
I think you are losing perspective here. I admit that most of the tactics used by school administrators here were rather uninspired and useless, but there are some good administrators out there too who might have reached a kid or two who might have been on the brink. I don't think you can rule out the possibility.
And for (what was probably the majority of) the kids who had to suffer under trenchcoat bans and the like; big deal. I had to suffer similar crap in high school too. It seemed like a big deal at the time, but trust me, you'll forget all about it 3 months after graduation.
Deal with the fact that the people running your school are bozos and move on. I mean, do you really think your whining on Slashdot is going to improve your situation?
> Regarding memory, I have 128MB, and the box was > had one user (me) running X, GNOME and nothing > else.
Wow, that's pretty strange. I have a near-identical setup (Celeron 333, 128Mb, single user) and Gnome is fairly sanppy. I can get booted up and logged into Gnome as fast as I can into Windows 95. As I mentioned (superfluously) KDE is a little slower. I use window maker on my account, it loads nearly instantaneously on login. I gave my wife Gnome, I thought it'd be easier for her to get used to. She likes it because "it's faster than windows 95". Back to performance. This seems to be an isolated, but fairly common complaint. It's hard to diagnose from afar, but I usually suggest uninstalling all Gnome components, and reinstalling with the latest RPM's or.deb's or.tar.gz's. The latest round of Gnome update RPM's were noticable faster, and cleaned up a ton'o'bugs.
1) Thanks for calling me names. I guess I'm falling to your level in this sentance, idiot.
2) The crackdowns I was talking about involved: extra police/security at schools, manditory visits to the school counselor for children thought to have mental issues, security sweeps of lockers for firearms, etc. Surely you agree that these *might* have helped. I'm sorry if I did not make it more clear.
3) Torture? I remember high school. It was BAD, but it wasn't torture. What are they doing at your school? Horse-whipping? The rack? The "Iron Maiden"? (Excellent!) If its so bad at your school, and you are "the intellectual" you say you are, have (did?) you thought of dropping out and taking the GRE?
I'm wondering if I'm the only one who was slightly disgusted by the way Katz went on about "geeks" being "repressed" in the wake of Columbine? I mean, cripes, 15 people died violent brutal deaths here, and many more were maimed and/or paralyzed. And the only angle Katz seems concerned about (nay, obsessed about) is that some schools are banning trenchcoats, etc!?! I find that frankly revolting.
Did anyone ever think that the admittedly knee-jerk reactions of school administrators might actually have saved lives? There was at least one other shooting afterwards, perhaps the crack down prevented more? I mean, it's too bad that some school kids lost some priviledges, but if lives were saved (even one,) isn't that *worth it*?
* turn Gtk themes off. They are pretty, but they are a hack and they are *slow*.
*The enlightenment that shipped with my red hat 6.0 is pretty slow. Dump it and pick up a copy of window maker.
* Did I mention turning gtk themes off?
* Don't use 1.0.0 RPM's. Get the latest RHAD lab ones, they're fast, phat and rock solid. Yes, Gnome, rock solid.
* You didn't mention the critical system consideration: available memory. On my system Gnome was faster than KDE with 64 megs of ram.
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What's up with this rancid comment of yours? Havoc's not out to get you, he's just working on Gnome! It's not like KDE has anything to fear from Gnome, (does it?) I like to think of the 2 projects as *complimentary*.
I think the Gnome word processor and spreadsheet are a lot farther along than you give them credit. Quite usable, and I think both OpenParts and Bonobo will be exciting tools to work with.
KDE is slightly farther ahead in development than Gnome (2 months is my estimate.) But Gnome is ahead of it in 2 important departments.
1) QT. Calling yourself the "defacto Linux desktop" is quite presumptious when you've built the entire project on a devel library that a significant chunck of the community (think mindshare) is not interested in using.
2) Gnome is more innovative. Gnome had a CORBA ORB first. (yes, Gnome had themes first, too, but I'm talking about innovations that *increase* productivity!) Gnome takes the best features from many UI's and wraps them up into one slick, usable package. KDE is just a win95 rehash for X11.
So please stop your childish taunting of the Gnome crowd. You're reflecting poorly on the KDE community. (There, I've fed the troll. Bah.)
Wouldn't Corel want the the largest possible pool of people to choose their beta testers from? And when they pick those beta testers, will they want "AOL lamers" who have no previous experience with Linux with which to evaluate the beta, or people who have actually used linux before?
I don't think they'll be mad at all if their servers are/.ed. Would you be mad if there was overwhelming interest in *your* upcoming product?
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* clueless * partisan * is this guy for real? * wacko * please go away
You're all way wrong, I was attending a *liberal arts college* (!) at the time. See http://www.hiram.edu for more info on Hiram College, in Hiram OH USA if you're interested...
I was lucky enough to have O'Reilly books as the textbook for two CS classes back in college. I had the "armadillo" book for System Administration, and "Webmaster in a Nutshell" for Internet Administration. It was an extremely pleasant experience in both cases. They were by far the most readable texts I remember using in college (that includes my non-CS classes, too) and were actually FUN to read! Not only were they relevant to the theories we covered in class, but I still use them to this day (in the "real world"!) on a regular basis, which I cannot say about several of my other college CS texts. Highly recommendable!
The picture of the Reality Center wall is how I've always invisioned the "Geek compound" or whatever Rob calls his dwelling. I can picture CmdrTaco and Hemos standing in front of their wall, viewing a graphical represenation of current Slashdot traffic, using voice commands to config httpd, ban trolls, and stories, etc. Somehow, though, I suspect reality is much less sexy than my imagination. ; )
Some of you may scoff at the seriousness of porn in the workplace, but I don't think some of you realize the legal liability this poses in American companies. There are many people who would consider the person viewing porn in the cubicle next to them a form of sexual harrasment, and would gladly sue their employer for not putting and end to it. So not only does this cause lost productivity, but it's also a lawsuit waiting to happen. It may not seem really ethical to search through *everyone's* email, looking for the few that abuse the system. But it's likely that your company is not using you in some twisted ultra right-wing Nazi sex hunt, but are just trying to cover their butts from the lawyers. I would help them out.
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I'm frankly getting a bit tired of these posts that don't make any sense, just filled with a bunch of anti-corporate buzzwords, (and yet someone out there keeps moderating them up? Those same people will probably moderate this one way down. Fire away boys, I got karma to burn...)
You seem to be worried about Red Hat not "caring" about the Linux community. *smirk* Look, Bob Young, AFAIK, is still in charge of Red Hat, and he seems committed, no, he seems to "care" about the Linux community. His gang has put out a commercially successful Linux distro, while staying true to the ideals of the Free software and Open Source movements. He still calling the shots. So what makes you people worry that Red Hat doesn't care?
I mean, even if Red Hat *didn't* care, it's still in their interest to promote Linux and Free Software. If no one trusts or uses Free Software, no one is going to buy their product, and their stock holders will be pretty upset.
Look, Red Hat is one of the good guys! They have contributed to GNOME, KDE, XFree86, now the FSF and they release all their software as GPL. Can you say that about Suse? Caldera? (dare I say it...) Debian? (calm down, I'm only pointing out that they give out more money than Debian. Its a Good Thing, don't diss them for it!)
Now, Red Hat isn't a perfect distro, but the folks who blindly critisize it must have some sort of agendas, as I see it. Probably affiliated with a competitor (Suse, Caldera, Debian, MS...) Please don't listen to them (and for cripes sakes stop moderating them up!) If certain members of the Linux community keep tearing down any organization that is successful in promoting Linux and Free Software to a wider audience, then the push to "world domination" will surely fail.
I downloaded the new October GNOME RPMs from one of the mirror sites, and they ran on my Red Hat 6.1 system w/o a hitch.
I use gftp to grab the entire directory of the ftp server. Then at the command line, cd into the new directory and run 'rpm -Uhv *.rpm"; very convenient!
The new features are great, a definate must-have for all GNOMErs out there... Stable as a rock, too.
Look out, they've opened the floodgates! I'm sure people will now be demanding lots of new Slashdot sections...:
* OS/2 section
* BeOS section
* MacOS section
* MacsOS X server section
* Amiga section
* Atari section
* NeXTStep section
* QNX section
* IRIX, Solaris, HP-UX, AIX, etc. sections
* Monterey Section
and dare I say it:
* a Microsoft Windows section!!
The poster stated you could write, for example, a GNOME app with non-GTK+ widget sets. But as I pointed out, a GNOME app by definition must be written in GTK+. I never said that you couldn't run non-GTK+ apps in GNOME. They just aren't GNOME apps!
PS. Thanks for calling me names. As I have in the past, I guess I'm falling to your level in this sentence, you shit-for-brains ass-monkey.
GNOME and KDE both *require* GTK+ and Qt, respectively, for all graphical apps.
From the Gnome FAQ:
"GNOME uses the Gimp Tool Kit (GTK+) as the graphics toolkit for all graphical applications."
I think this is in the KDE FAQ, too, I didn't have time to track the passage down, though.
Is Linus already working on the Linux port to the native Transmeta chip? And will it be ready by time the chip is released?
(Not that I anticipate any of this happening, but...)
What if Linux "fails" in the commercial/business sector? (By failure I mean "not adopted in any significant numbers", "a flop".) What if, for whatever reason, the current pro-Linux trend is reversed, and in 5 years most current Linux users have moved on to some other, non-Free/Open OS? If the Linux movement fizzes out, would this be a blow to the Free Software/Open Source movement? Do you believe the future of these ideas are tied to the success of Linux?
Recent interest shown by large commericial tech companies (IBM, SGI, Sun) seems to signal a new chapter in the history of Linux. Do you see the participation of these companies strenghtening the linux communitity? Destroying it? Or transforming it into something completely different?
I couldn't get through to your site, it appears to be slashdotted. (go figure!) Anyway I have a few questions...
/.ed, so I couldn't rtfm, remember!
What would keep someone from confiscating your drive, dd'ing the whole thing to their own system and reading through it at their leisure with a hex editor? Is the hidden data encrypted in some manner?
Also, couldn't the bad guys just take a look at the capacity of the drive, subtract how much space they had access to and calculate the amount of data still hidden to them. They wouldn't know *what* was still hidden, but they'd know it was there, right?
PS: You probably have really obvious answers for these questions, but your site was
McCain also came forward this week and asked Pat Buchanon to remove himself from the Republican Party because of his comments on the topic of Hitler.
Between that and the ban on Internet taxes, you've got one froody candidate. He's a definate maverick, and I like that in a politician. Too bad I'm not a registered Republican, or I could vote for him in the primaries...
Are there any linux usability projects out there now that people can contribute to? (I find this subject fascinating.)
If not, are there any people out there interested in starting one? It certainly could be put to good use, and it might be fun to tackle some of these little issues, and make them available to the masses.
I just re-read your last comment.
How could I have been so misguided! A child was *gasp* wrongfully suspended! Oh the horror!! Well, the tragedy at Columbine absolutely PALES in comparison to this outrage, this disgrace! Forget watching your classmates being gunned down, the sheer emotional trauma of a WRONGFUL SUSPENSION, or a bad counselor must surely be too much to handle.
I can be so INSENSITIVE sometimes. Instead of focusing on those personally affected by Columbine, (or better yet, on "News for Nerds") let's commisurate the fate of those wrongfully SUSPENDED(!) Let's devote another 1400 comments to this topic, too, please...
Well I *have* thought about it, and I'm still bothered by those narrow-minded folks who were worried more about the priviledges they'd lose, or they were wrongfully punished, than about the fact that so many people were massacered, and complained (whined) publicly and loudly about it.
I don't know why everyone's so convinced that a wrongful suspension is going to push someone over the edge. It may not make anyone happy, and its not fair (welcome to life 101) but AFAIK there are no cases of anyone killing either themselves of someone else over it. If I'm right, then you're just arguing hypotheticals...
PS a bad counselor is going to screw you up whether Columbine happened or not.
Give me a break.
I think you are losing perspective here. I admit that most of the tactics used by school administrators here were rather uninspired and useless, but there are some good administrators out there too who might have reached a kid or two who might have been on the brink. I don't think you can rule out the possibility.
And for (what was probably the majority of) the kids who had to suffer under trenchcoat bans and the like; big deal. I had to suffer similar crap in high school too. It seemed like a big deal at the time, but trust me, you'll forget all about it 3 months after graduation.
Deal with the fact that the people running your school are bozos and move on. I mean, do you really think your whining on Slashdot is going to improve your situation?
> I didn't mention KDE at all.
.deb's or .tar.gz's. The latest round of Gnome update RPM's were noticable faster, and cleaned up a ton'o'bugs.
Sorry, my bad.
> Regarding memory, I have 128MB, and the box was > had one user (me) running X, GNOME and nothing
> else.
Wow, that's pretty strange. I have a near-identical setup (Celeron 333, 128Mb, single user) and Gnome is fairly sanppy. I can get booted up and logged into Gnome as fast as I can into Windows 95. As I mentioned (superfluously) KDE is a little slower. I use window maker on my account, it loads nearly instantaneously on login. I gave my wife Gnome, I thought it'd be easier for her to get used to. She likes it because "it's faster than windows 95".
Back to performance. This seems to be an isolated, but fairly common complaint. It's hard to diagnose from afar, but I usually suggest uninstalling all Gnome components, and reinstalling with the latest RPM's or
1) Thanks for calling me names. I guess I'm falling to your level in this sentance, idiot.
2) The crackdowns I was talking about involved: extra police/security at schools, manditory visits to the school counselor for children thought to have mental issues, security sweeps of lockers for firearms, etc. Surely you agree that these *might* have helped. I'm sorry if I did not make it more clear.
3) Torture? I remember high school. It was BAD, but it wasn't torture. What are they doing at your school? Horse-whipping? The rack? The "Iron Maiden"? (Excellent!) If its so bad at your school, and you are "the intellectual" you say you are, have (did?) you thought of dropping out and taking the GRE?
I'm wondering if I'm the only one who was slightly disgusted by the way Katz went on about "geeks" being "repressed" in the wake of Columbine? I mean, cripes, 15 people died violent brutal deaths here, and many more were maimed and/or paralyzed. And the only angle Katz seems concerned about (nay, obsessed about) is that some schools are banning trenchcoats, etc!?! I find that frankly revolting.
Did anyone ever think that the admittedly knee-jerk reactions of school administrators might actually have saved lives? There was at least one other shooting afterwards, perhaps the crack down prevented more? I mean, it's too bad that some school kids lost some priviledges, but if lives were saved (even one,) isn't that *worth it*?
* turn Gtk themes off. They are pretty, but they are a hack and they are *slow*.
*The enlightenment that shipped with my red hat 6.0 is pretty slow. Dump it and pick up a copy of window maker.
* Did I mention turning gtk themes off?
* Don't use 1.0.0 RPM's. Get the latest RHAD lab ones, they're fast, phat and rock solid. Yes, Gnome, rock solid.
* You didn't mention the critical system consideration: available memory. On my system Gnome was faster than KDE with 64 megs of ram.
What's up with this rancid comment of yours? Havoc's not out to get you, he's just working on Gnome! It's not like KDE has anything to fear from Gnome, (does it?) I like to think of the 2 projects as *complimentary*.
I think the Gnome word processor and spreadsheet are a lot farther along than you give them credit.
Quite usable, and I think both OpenParts and Bonobo will be exciting tools to work with.
KDE is slightly farther ahead in development than Gnome (2 months is my estimate.) But Gnome is ahead of it in 2 important departments.
1) QT. Calling yourself the "defacto Linux desktop" is quite presumptious when you've built the entire project on a devel library that a significant chunck of the community (think mindshare) is not interested in using.
2) Gnome is more innovative. Gnome had a CORBA ORB first. (yes, Gnome had themes first, too, but I'm talking about innovations that *increase* productivity!) Gnome takes the best features from many UI's and wraps them up into one slick, usable package. KDE is just a win95 rehash for X11.
So please stop your childish taunting of the Gnome crowd. You're reflecting poorly on the KDE community. (There, I've fed the troll. Bah.)
I don't think your idea makes much sense.
/.ed. Would you be mad if there was overwhelming interest in *your* upcoming product?
Wouldn't Corel want the the largest possible pool of people to choose their beta testers from? And when they pick those beta testers, will they want "AOL lamers" who have no previous experience with Linux with which to evaluate the beta, or people who have actually used linux before?
I don't think they'll be mad at all if their servers are
* clueless * partisan * is this guy for real? * wacko * please go away
You're all way wrong, I was attending a *liberal arts college* (!) at the time. See http://www.hiram.edu for more info on Hiram College, in Hiram OH USA if you're interested...
I was lucky enough to have O'Reilly books as the textbook for two CS classes back in college. I had the "armadillo" book for System Administration, and "Webmaster in a Nutshell" for Internet Administration. It was an extremely pleasant experience in both cases. They were by far the most readable texts I remember using in college (that includes my non-CS classes, too) and were actually FUN to read! Not only were they relevant to the theories we covered in class, but I still use them to this day (in the "real world"!) on a regular basis, which I cannot say about several of my other college CS texts. Highly recommendable!
The picture of the Reality Center wall is how I've always invisioned the "Geek compound" or whatever Rob calls his dwelling. I can picture CmdrTaco and Hemos standing in front of their wall, viewing a graphical represenation of current Slashdot traffic, using voice commands to config httpd, ban trolls, and stories, etc.
Somehow, though, I suspect reality is much less sexy than my imagination. ; )
Some of you may scoff at the seriousness of porn in the workplace, but I don't think some of you realize the legal liability this poses in American companies. There are many people who would consider the person viewing porn in the cubicle next to them a form of sexual harrasment, and would gladly sue their employer for not putting and end to it. So not only does this cause lost productivity, but it's also a lawsuit waiting to happen.
It may not seem really ethical to search through *everyone's* email, looking for the few that abuse the system. But it's likely that your company is not using you in some twisted ultra right-wing Nazi sex hunt, but are just trying to cover their butts from the lawyers. I would help them out.