They buy our debt (most particularly our wartime debt) and we let them have free run of the American economy, and all the jobs they can swallow with little tariff on outsourced pay.
I believe that's why China's stock market is taking it in the pants since bin Laden was capped. The war is going to wind down, and with it the war spending, and with that our need to sell bonds in mass quantities, and with that our need to keep the Chinese happy and wealthy, and with that our willingness to let China have free run of the American economy.
but his intent wasn't to actually make a useful object.
but, see TFA, his other creations are performance-art sort of designs
this thing is meant as art, not a utilitarian device
so the whole idea that he doesn't just use his thumbs is part of the point, as is the ridiculousness of the idea that anyone other than him would use one of these
At the time they were doing it, it was secret, and it was protecting me from Soviets, not hurting me.
After, they told us they'd been doing it, and that they were stopping it. The secret was secret no more. But it turns out that the act of stopping it turned the psychotic among our allies into our enemies.
Making it open didn't make anyone less safe, so your point is moot.
The Constitution makes the President the Commander in Chief. Among the powers of such a person is the power to determine what is and is not a military secret.
The Constitution also gives the Congress the power to make the laws, and the Congress gives the President the authority to classify information. Hence the explanation in the introduction to Executive Order 13526 - Classified National Security Information, December 29, 2009:
"This order prescribes a uniform system for classifying, safeguarding, and declassifying national security information, including information relating to defense against transnational terrorism. Our democratic principles require that the American people be informed of the activities of their Government. Also, our Nation's progress depends on the free flow of information both within the Government and to the American people. Nevertheless, throughout our history, the national defense has required that certain information be maintained in confidence in order to protect our citizens, our democratic institutions, our homeland security, and our interactions with foreign nations. Protecting information critical to our Nation's security and demonstrating our commitment to open Government through accurate and accountable application of classification standards and routine, secure, and effective declassification are equally important priorities.
NOW, THEREFORE, I, BARACK OBAMA, by the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered as follows:"
So. Unless you have been elected to be Congress, and by that I mean that within your sole person you comprise a majority capable of deciding what is and is not law, then your attempt to rewrite the law to prevent the President from having and delegating this power is nothing but ignorant bullshit.
Which is really all I needed to say. "What a load of ignorant bullshit," I'd have said, and been done with it. But then you wouldn't have learned anything, and neither would anyone else. And we can't have that.
Sure. "Your honor, I put millions in danger to protect National Security"
"What the fuck are you talking about, son?"
"Well, your honor, if I didn't let out all those secrets totally unrelated to the secrets that hid the dead people who were already dead, then...uh...well, then more people wouldn't have a chance to be dead. Or some shit like that."
"Okay. I see. You're a total idiot. 99 years in Leavenworth. Unless you'd rather face a firing squad."
"I can get a do-over, can't I? Julian said I'd get a do-over for a first offense..."
Your ad hominem attacks do nothing to me, but they make you look like an asshole. Manning is a criminal, and he did it for a stupid and selfish reason.
Manning was trained to keep his fellow soldiers and his nation safe, and he betrayed us all because he refused to simply point out to his commanders that he knew of illegally classified material, and keep pointing it out to Inspectors General and Commanders until he found one who wasn't willing to conspire to keep the information illegally classified. He chose instead to aggrandize himself in a childish manner, at the behest of the mental midgets at Wikileaks.
He did the wrong thing, and that's all we've ever been discussing.
It doesn't matter what you personally claim to believe about the effects of his actions. The potential and the betrayal are enough to make it among the highest crimes defined in this country. The information he delivered has damaged intelligence efforts around the world and especially in the Afghan and Iraqi theaters. He vastly increased the threat to our intelligence assets and to his fellow soldiers. Fragging is too good for him.
A blind attempt to prevent the status from being quo is the stupidest reason to commit a crime.
I'm not the one who thinks that the U.S. government is hiding secrets that endanger me in any way. You keep the tinfoil sect all to yourself on that one.
The intelligence community isn't in the habit of publicizing the enemy's successes. Especially when it might further compromise their operations.
There's also the small matter of the fact that the material that Wikileaks revealed is still, legally, classified. Nobody with a clearance is allowed to repeat it, even if they're reading it from the same Jumbotron in Times Square that the people around them are reading it on.
As for Mr. Gates, of course he's not going to vet the data as valuable. But the current situation pretty much shows he was lying his ass off, doesn't it? That's his job.
Yours, I think, doesn't involve much brainworking, if you can't figure this stuff out yourself.
>If the people could reasonably trust that classified information legitimately needed to be kept secret and was not just hiding misdeeds
The people do reasonably trust that. And there's a process for declassifying improperly classified material. The same Executive Order that gives people the authority to classify things spells out that process and that it must be applied to improperly classified material. Manning was certainly trained to know that; it's part of the briefing given to everyone who receives a clearance. But, being a dunce and a twit, he probably forgot. Wikileaks either didn't know or didn't care.
Slashdot Mirror
Yyyyup.
And the corporatists response?
"If you want to compete you have to get rid of the unions."
Could be time to get out the pitchforks and brickbats.
"American colleges" is not something you can sue, or a brand you will boycott over a social issue.
"Foxconn" is.
It was a deal that W cut when he went to China.
They buy our debt (most particularly our wartime debt) and we let them have free run of the American economy, and all the jobs they can swallow with little tariff on outsourced pay.
I believe that's why China's stock market is taking it in the pants since bin Laden was capped. The war is going to wind down, and with it the war spending, and with that our need to sell bonds in mass quantities, and with that our need to keep the Chinese happy and wealthy, and with that our willingness to let China have free run of the American economy.
It'll be interesting to watch.
What you mean "we", white man?
The same corporations who are hiring us are hiring them.
You and I and they are the same employees.
The corporations are winning. We, the employees, are losing.
You still think this is a nationalistic issue?
THIS!
but his intent wasn't to actually make a useful object.
but, see TFA, his other creations are performance-art sort of designs
this thing is meant as art, not a utilitarian device
so the whole idea that he doesn't just use his thumbs is part of the point, as is the ridiculousness of the idea that anyone other than him would use one of these
You forgot to wink.
No, it doesn't happen because no company is organized with a step that goes
1. Ask employees if their boss is a tool.
If you want upper management to know that middle management is fucking up, you have to have initiative outside their employee-evaluation processes.
interlacing?
Probably. It's NP-hard out there for a pimp.
So basically it boils down to finding a holy grail of algorithms.
Oh, is that all?
I think Mark Twain sussed it, then, and wrote it in allegorical form.
Just look up Tom Sawyer and whitewashing the fence.
You could read executive order 13526, which spells out what is and isn't a legal secret, and why and how to get things declassified.
Then you wouldn't think he's correct.
I can't tell you. It's a secret.
At the time they were doing it, it was secret, and it was protecting me from Soviets, not hurting me.
After, they told us they'd been doing it, and that they were stopping it. The secret was secret no more. But it turns out that the act of stopping it turned the psychotic among our allies into our enemies.
Making it open didn't make anyone less safe, so your point is moot.
The Constitution makes the President the Commander in Chief. Among the powers of such a person is the power to determine what is and is not a military secret.
The Constitution also gives the Congress the power to make the laws, and the Congress gives the President the authority to classify information. Hence the explanation in the introduction to Executive Order 13526 - Classified National Security Information, December 29, 2009:
"This order prescribes a uniform system for classifying, safeguarding, and declassifying national security information, including information relating to defense against transnational terrorism. Our democratic principles require that the American people be informed of the activities of their Government. Also, our Nation's progress depends on the free flow of information both within the Government and to the American people. Nevertheless, throughout our history, the national defense has required that certain information be maintained in confidence in order to protect our citizens, our democratic institutions, our homeland security, and our interactions with foreign nations. Protecting information critical to our Nation's security and demonstrating our commitment to open Government through accurate and accountable application of classification standards and routine, secure, and effective declassification are equally important priorities.
NOW, THEREFORE, I, BARACK OBAMA, by the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered as follows:"
So. Unless you have been elected to be Congress, and by that I mean that within your sole person you comprise a majority capable of deciding what is and is not law, then your attempt to rewrite the law to prevent the President from having and delegating this power is nothing but ignorant bullshit.
Which is really all I needed to say. "What a load of ignorant bullshit," I'd have said, and been done with it. But then you wouldn't have learned anything, and neither would anyone else. And we can't have that.
Sure. "Your honor, I put millions in danger to protect National Security"
"What the fuck are you talking about, son?"
"Well, your honor, if I didn't let out all those secrets totally unrelated to the secrets that hid the dead people who were already dead, then...uh...well, then more people wouldn't have a chance to be dead. Or some shit like that."
"Okay. I see. You're a total idiot. 99 years in Leavenworth. Unless you'd rather face a firing squad."
"I can get a do-over, can't I? Julian said I'd get a do-over for a first offense..."
Your ad hominem attacks do nothing to me, but they make you look like an asshole. Manning is a criminal, and he did it for a stupid and selfish reason.
Manning was trained to keep his fellow soldiers and his nation safe, and he betrayed us all because he refused to simply point out to his commanders that he knew of illegally classified material, and keep pointing it out to Inspectors General and Commanders until he found one who wasn't willing to conspire to keep the information illegally classified. He chose instead to aggrandize himself in a childish manner, at the behest of the mental midgets at Wikileaks.
He did the wrong thing, and that's all we've ever been discussing.
It doesn't matter what you personally claim to believe about the effects of his actions. The potential and the betrayal are enough to make it among the highest crimes defined in this country. The information he delivered has damaged intelligence efforts around the world and especially in the Afghan and Iraqi theaters. He vastly increased the threat to our intelligence assets and to his fellow soldiers. Fragging is too good for him.
A blind attempt to prevent the status from being quo is the stupidest reason to commit a crime.
Whether bin Laden is alive or not during a shooting war isn't really endangering you.
If they'd said "bin Laden is dead, and we're leaving Afghanistan and ending the war" you might have a point.
But that'd be a first for you.
I'm not the one who thinks that the U.S. government is hiding secrets that endanger me in any way. You keep the tinfoil sect all to yourself on that one.
Wow. When I asked for the next stupid question, I didn't expect stupider.
Do you REALLY think that killing Osama changed anything?
Yes.
Next stupid question.
What?
I thought it was named after a '40s straight-man.
The one that was getting all the "reviews" yesterday is apparently not bin Laden's compound, but a girl's school.
No, that's an inference, not an implication, and it's an incorrect one. But you're clearly not interested in reality, so we expect this of you.
The intelligence community isn't in the habit of publicizing the enemy's successes. Especially when it might further compromise their operations.
There's also the small matter of the fact that the material that Wikileaks revealed is still, legally, classified. Nobody with a clearance is allowed to repeat it, even if they're reading it from the same Jumbotron in Times Square that the people around them are reading it on.
As for Mr. Gates, of course he's not going to vet the data as valuable. But the current situation pretty much shows he was lying his ass off, doesn't it? That's his job.
Yours, I think, doesn't involve much brainworking, if you can't figure this stuff out yourself.
>If the people could reasonably trust that classified information legitimately needed to be kept secret and was not just hiding misdeeds
The people do reasonably trust that. And there's a process for declassifying improperly classified material. The same Executive Order that gives people the authority to classify things spells out that process and that it must be applied to improperly classified material. Manning was certainly trained to know that; it's part of the briefing given to everyone who receives a clearance. But, being a dunce and a twit, he probably forgot. Wikileaks either didn't know or didn't care.