Seriously, the time wasted interviewing these know nothings pretending to know something costs the industry, let alone when some dumb fucking boss actually believes their credentials and gives them "work experience".
If you cannot pass the bullshit tests at Uni, I guarantee you the world will rip you several new ones you will need to explain if you blag your way into a job.
Do us all a favour, go get a job in sales, at least then no one will complain when we beat you up and flush your head down the toilet. Oh, no one told you the dumb guys are the dorks in the real world? Consider a job in door to door. That way you'll rarely meet us.
You can set an SPF record that says: mail claiming to have been sent from this domain will only ever come from this set of IP addresses or subnets.
So, for example, if the SPF record for northpole.com specifies that outgoing mail from that domain will only come from 227.2.43.8, when an SMTP connection is made from 19.2.55.87 to your mail server with mail from santa@northpole.com your mail server should at the very least increase the weighting it gives to the mail's spam likelyhood, and really should be quite happy to just simply reject the mail, no buddy, you don't have mail from santa.
FLOSS stands for "Free/Libre Open Source Software". I have not seen it with the "Libre" added in there before, so I'm sure others have not as well. Great job spelling it out the first time you use it, Slashdot.
This is the first time you have seen FLOSS instead of FOSS? How long have you been here, a week?
To be fair, though there is no FA to R, it has taken the time to read an unrelated FA and tell us all something we already knew. Which is clearly naff, but as far as ACs go, this one is clearly trying. I vote we all tinkle on its head, and see if it works the same for ACs as it does for citrus.
Therefore there is geoCities address in my CV next to the solid list of known technologies - in fact, it proved to be more persistent, than one of current ISP.
Isn't geocities down since October last year?
Yeah, it is.
Pop quiz:
Did you pronounce it "Geo - Cities" or "Geocities", to rhyme with atrocities? I know based upon what I saw, it was always the latter.
I don't understand why AOL is ripped on so much in the community. AOL mail supports unlimited IMAP/POP3/SMTP storage. REAL IMAP. REAL.
For those of us who prefer non-web-based mail readers such as Thunderbird or mutt (for their speed, configurability, or better offline-support), full and complete IMAP is a MUST. Gmail supports the IMAP protocol, but the mapping between tags and folders is so disparate that I find it completely useless.
Okay, so back in the Dark Past, there was a thing called Usenet. And the Evil Daemons of AOL looked upon the Usenet, and after much badgering from the few Enlightened users of AOL, the Daemons saw that it was good. And so they unleashed the feeble Horde upon the Usenet, and the Horde made merry mayhem with many a Quest for Tits and Boobs.
And then, one day a Mighty Troll looked upon the Horde, and conceived a Cunning Plan. He then cross posted to as many Usenet groups as he could be Arsed to cross-post to the simple phrase "I have the Sheryl Crow nude pics, email me if you want them". And shortly thereafter some Damn Fool subscribed to AOL posted to all of the Usenet groups "I would like the Sheryl Crow nude pics". And, moments later, another Damn Fool responded with "Me too". Suddenly, it seemed like a tidal wave of sheer stupidity overwhelmed all of Usenet as one Damn Fool after another responded to every single Usenet group the original troll was cross-posted to with the utterly banal response, "Me too".
Now, not only is this tale one of the most poignant of the Horror that was the September That Never Ended, but it also explains: a) why we who knew the internet before the 'tards were let loose loathe that moment in history b) why many people use the phrase "AOL" to mean "Me too" c) why so many of us in the community would like to take AOL and their stupid setup CDs and repeatedly drown and resuscitate them until it no longer works.
Would an AOL e-mail address or another 'toxic' e-mail address influence your decision to hire someone?"
.
If you make hiring decisions based upon unrelated-to-the-job things like email addresses, then you deserve the level of employees that you get. What's next, not hiring someone because the name of the street they live on is dorky?
Hell yes, I am so not going to hire the guy who claims to live on "Surprise Buttsecks Av".
Because, hey, I just don't need that kind of distraction at work.
Speaking as someone who has seen the horror that is lollypopporn@hotmail.com and pornstargunnabe@hotmail.com, I can tell you that some email addresses really don't belong on any kind of job app.
On the flip side, I tend to treat people who have @gmail.com pretty seriously, because hey, props to you for getting in early enough to get your name as a gmail account.
That said, I am probably going to give a name like john.cocktoasten@gmail.com a second glance.
I remember when the options were AltaVista, Yahoo, and several other completely pointless search engines.
Repeat after me: they all sucked arse. You never searched just one portal to find what you were looking for, and often you could search all of them and not find the thing you were looking at a week ago.
The reason Google owns internet search? Because as soon as they came along, it was like night and fucking day. No longer did I have to diddle around with half a dozen search engine in the vain hope that one of them would not be so stuffed with crapware for those keywords that I might actually find what I was looking for.
Oh, and second reason I am well pleased to see AltaVista on this list: when working at an ISP migrating customers from one set of DNS servers to the new ones, I had the misfortune of answering a call from a customer whose response to my query as to what browser he used was "Oh, I don't use a browser, I use the AltaVista". I would like to claim that hilarity ensued, but that would be a big fat lie.
Having gone through late night deployments where I have been both the deployer/dev and other occasions where I have just been the manager, I have never been in a situation where I personally was not going to be able to take charge of any random role and heave to. That said, if the random role is a minor one that takes small pressure off the fulcrum, hey, crises are no time for egos, I'll do what is needed and try and contain panic in those of my staff not used to fan shit interaction.
That said, I have most definitely been in the position where a deployment has gone to shit, and the time and effort to keep a manager who was utterly unable to provide any useful feedback or even perform minor ancillary tasks in the loop is absolute torture, if I had had a stronger sense of my use at the company at the time I would have said "the most useful thing you can do right now is fuck off and leave me to it", but as my manager was also the Head Cheese, such a comment was not going to go down well at the time.
Dude, are they going to take in to account the extra time your computer needs to be on to implement all that shit long hand? No? So you're saying your suggestion is something of a funny that failed or a troll that needs some souping up?
Or is there a joke in there that you are crap at telling?
One of the cool things about PHP5 is that you can take objects that are used all the damn time, and implement them in a more efficient language, yet still access them from PHP as if they were native objects. This, one assumes, is the basis for TFA's rant, but you only really see the benefits of such implementations if they are classes you use _all_ the fucking time, if it is something you see once in a blue moon the performance benefit will be unmeasurable, as opposed to the dev time which will of course be far higher for C++. We didn't all get woodies for RAD tools for no damn good reason, of course things are quicker to develop in PHP.
Someone repeatedly drown and resuscitate this damn editor until it no longer works, because really, no fucking clue.
A very restricted SPF TXT record that specifies _precisely_ which IP addresses an incoming SMTP for a given domain an email _must_ come from cannot hurt. At best, your IT admins have wasted a half hour, at best they have significantly improved the chance of your outgoing email being not treated as suspicious by bulk email handlers such as yahoo, gmail and hotmail (especially hotmail).
You want proof? Check your shit. http://postmaster.live.com/Services.aspx . And no, I don't work for MS, but damn they provide the best postmaster tools on the interweb for monitoring shit like email deliverability. Don't even talk to me about the pestilence that is Yahoo!, those pricks remind me of my evil DM who used to make up pointless forms just to pass the time.
Guy is a fucking turkey. iinet only took part in the trial to prove how idiotic it was, anyone who has a ssh tunnel to somewhere in the rest of the world can immediately bypass this foolish plan, and that has been pointed out to him. Repeatedly. Should I mention the turkey thing again? Not even to mention stenography, gpg encrypted emails, etc, etc, etc. This guy is without a doubt the biggest dumbfuck in the current Labour government.
Why don't we vote the other guys back in, I hear you ask? Why, because in Labour this kind of turkey is somewhat rare, whereas the Liberals/Nationals has a good half dozen or so wack jobs even loonier than him. Why are so many extremists attracted to politics in Aus? Because capable people stand to make way more in the private sector, and those very few capable people with a strong sense of ethics tend to join a party with an ethical basis, such as the Greens, who have yet to make enough traction to make useful changes to the fucked up political culture in this country.
And for what it is worth, the legislation is still just a twinkle in Conroy's eye, it hasn't even been tabled in the house of reps yet, let alone pass a hostile senate.
Believe me, our politicians have not been cool since the early to mid seventies.
Not saying the rest of us don't have some chops, but really, I don't know anyone who doesn't think Conroy is an unmitigated fool. He was elected because he was Labour, not because of the crazy shit he believes, and he got his cabinet position because of factional balance, despite what shit Rudd spouts about being above factional politics.
Yes, sadly so, we need to introduce a new law. Must be at least this technically literate to hold a ministerial position governing technology. Sadly, that would exclude essentially all currently elected politicians, as well as the vast bulk of the potential electoral fodder.
This is essentially the end result of having a technological society where technological education is not mandatory. They require you to learn English, so you can speak to people, but the don't require you understand technology, so that you can understand the society you live in.
As a consequence, at best, the pollies are neophytes, and at worst luddites.
Oh man, the number of times I've heard one of the BD/marketing guys spouting off about some shit he has only been paid to sell, not understand and I've thought, man, seriously hope no one he is talking to has a clue, because, really, if they do, we are going to look like dicks right now.
This shit happens a hundred times a day all over the world, BD/marketing guys spout shit, what we pay them for, apparently, just happens this time someone wrote it down where people who know better could see.
Nothing MS specific about this, except this particular waste of space happens to work for them. Or at least, he did:)
I hereby nominate this as the most singularly stupid question added to AskSlashdot in the whole time I have been reading./, and that is a long goddamn while encompassing some pretty dumb-arsed questions.
Short answer, "Did you recently find the internet?" shortly followed up by "what goddamned rock have you been living under?".
Of course verifying your email address with the guys who hope you are desperate enough for a larger wang will result in more wang-enlarging email being sent to that address.
Where the fuck do you think they get these addresses from? Trust me when I tell you the data in those lists is poorly verified. Even in "legitimate" opt-in lists a large percentage have either given something which doesn't even look like an email address and non-existent validation has allowed it in or something which could be an email address but was never double opt-ed in results in up to (in my experience) 30% of companys' mailing lists being non-existant.
So many of the companies in that space have been working in the fax spam business that it is impossible to make them understand the current environment. That said, I'm talking about Australia, in the US you can still pretty much spam with impunity.
Obama, you planning on replacing CAN-SPAM with something with teeth any time soon?
Slashdot Mirror
Sure you can
And if I ever work phone support again I will assume everything, absolutely everything the person on the other end tells me is a blatant lie.
Is it plugged in? yes? LIER!
It it turned on? yes? LIER!
And if I ever find out some fool has hired you to do anything in IT, even something as lowly as phone support, I will direct them to read this post.
Hint: the word you are painfully searching for is liar.
Seriously, the time wasted interviewing these know nothings pretending to know something costs the industry, let alone when some dumb fucking boss actually believes their credentials and gives them "work experience".
If you cannot pass the bullshit tests at Uni, I guarantee you the world will rip you several new ones you will need to explain if you blag your way into a job.
Do us all a favour, go get a job in sales, at least then no one will complain when we beat you up and flush your head down the toilet. Oh, no one told you the dumb guys are the dorks in the real world? Consider a job in door to door. That way you'll rarely meet us.
>:)
Umm, you clearly need to read about SPF.
You can set an SPF record that says: mail claiming to have been sent from this domain will only ever come from this set of IP addresses or subnets.
So, for example, if the SPF record for northpole.com specifies that outgoing mail from that domain will only come from 227.2.43.8, when an SMTP connection is made from 19.2.55.87 to your mail server with mail from santa@northpole.com your mail server should at the very least increase the weighting it gives to the mail's spam likelyhood, and really should be quite happy to just simply reject the mail, no buddy, you don't have mail from santa.
Mmmmm, waxy applicator
Plus a gin and tonic. Oh, and do you have any of those little biscuits, you know, the cheesy ones?
FLOSS stands for "Free/Libre Open Source Software". I have not seen it with the "Libre" added in there before, so I'm sure others have not as well. Great job spelling it out the first time you use it, Slashdot.
This is the first time you have seen FLOSS instead of FOSS? How long have you been here, a week?
To be fair, though there is no FA to R, it has taken the time to read an unrelated FA and tell us all something we already knew. Which is clearly naff, but as far as ACs go, this one is clearly trying. I vote we all tinkle on its head, and see if it works the same for ACs as it does for citrus.
Therefore there is geoCities address in my CV next to the solid list of known technologies - in fact, it proved to be
more persistent, than one of current ISP.
Isn't geocities down since October last year?
Yeah, it is.
Pop quiz:
Did you pronounce it "Geo - Cities" or "Geocities", to rhyme with atrocities? I know based upon what I saw, it was always the latter.
To me, AOL is like DoubleClick.
I don't care if you claim to have cleaned up your act, you are still Evil, because that is how your bosses asked you to set your tech up.
Plus, don't imagine I have forgotten that damn bear. Or the stupid CDs.
I don't understand why AOL is ripped on so much in the community. AOL mail supports unlimited IMAP/POP3/SMTP storage. REAL IMAP. REAL.
For those of us who prefer non-web-based mail readers such as Thunderbird or mutt (for their speed, configurability, or better offline-support), full and complete IMAP is a MUST. Gmail supports the IMAP protocol, but the mapping between tags and folders is so disparate that I find it completely useless.
Okay, so back in the Dark Past, there was a thing called Usenet. And the Evil Daemons of AOL looked upon the Usenet, and after much badgering from the few Enlightened users of AOL, the Daemons saw that it was good. And so they unleashed the feeble Horde upon the Usenet, and the Horde made merry mayhem with many a Quest for Tits and Boobs.
And then, one day a Mighty Troll looked upon the Horde, and conceived a Cunning Plan. He then cross posted to as many Usenet groups as he could be Arsed to cross-post to the simple phrase "I have the Sheryl Crow nude pics, email me if you want them". And shortly thereafter some Damn Fool subscribed to AOL posted to all of the Usenet groups "I would like the Sheryl Crow nude pics". And, moments later, another Damn Fool responded with "Me too". Suddenly, it seemed like a tidal wave of sheer stupidity overwhelmed all of Usenet as one Damn Fool after another responded to every single Usenet group the original troll was cross-posted to with the utterly banal response, "Me too".
Now, not only is this tale one of the most poignant of the Horror that was the September That Never Ended, but it also explains: a) why we who knew the internet before the 'tards were let loose loathe that moment in history b) why many people use the phrase "AOL" to mean "Me too" c) why so many of us in the community would like to take AOL and their stupid setup CDs and repeatedly drown and resuscitate them until it no longer works.
Nuff frigging said?
Would an AOL e-mail address or another 'toxic' e-mail address influence your decision to hire someone?"
.
If you make hiring decisions based upon unrelated-to-the-job things like email addresses, then you deserve the level of employees that you get. What's next, not hiring someone because the name of the street they live on is dorky?
Hell yes, I am so not going to hire the guy who claims to live on "Surprise Buttsecks Av".
Because, hey, I just don't need that kind of distraction at work.
Would you hire someone for your IT deptartment if their email address were from an AOL account?
Of course not, no one needs some one whose main talent is saying "Me too" on their IT team.
Speaking as someone who has seen the horror that is lollypopporn@hotmail.com and pornstargunnabe@hotmail.com, I can tell you that some email addresses really don't belong on any kind of job app.
On the flip side, I tend to treat people who have @gmail.com pretty seriously, because hey, props to you for getting in early enough to get your name as a gmail account.
That said, I am probably going to give a name like john.cocktoasten@gmail.com a second glance.
If only at the bill.
I remember when the options were AltaVista, Yahoo, and several other completely pointless search engines.
Repeat after me: they all sucked arse. You never searched just one portal to find what you were looking for, and often you could search all of them and not find the thing you were looking at a week ago.
The reason Google owns internet search? Because as soon as they came along, it was like night and fucking day. No longer did I have to diddle around with half a dozen search engine in the vain hope that one of them would not be so stuffed with crapware for those keywords that I might actually find what I was looking for.
Oh, and second reason I am well pleased to see AltaVista on this list: when working at an ISP migrating customers from one set of DNS servers to the new ones, I had the misfortune of answering a call from a customer whose response to my query as to what browser he used was "Oh, I don't use a browser, I use the AltaVista". I would like to claim that hilarity ensued, but that would be a big fat lie.
Having gone through late night deployments where I have been both the deployer/dev and other occasions where I have just been the manager, I have never been in a situation where I personally was not going to be able to take charge of any random role and heave to. That said, if the random role is a minor one that takes small pressure off the fulcrum, hey, crises are no time for egos, I'll do what is needed and try and contain panic in those of my staff not used to fan shit interaction.
That said, I have most definitely been in the position where a deployment has gone to shit, and the time and effort to keep a manager who was utterly unable to provide any useful feedback or even perform minor ancillary tasks in the loop is absolute torture, if I had had a stronger sense of my use at the company at the time I would have said "the most useful thing you can do right now is fuck off and leave me to it", but as my manager was also the Head Cheese, such a comment was not going to go down well at the time.
Anyways, my 2c.
Dude, are they going to take in to account the extra time your computer needs to be on to implement all that shit long hand? No? So you're saying your suggestion is something of a funny that failed or a troll that needs some souping up?
Or is there a joke in there that you are crap at telling?
Inquiring minds want to know.
One of the cool things about PHP5 is that you can take objects that are used all the damn time, and implement them in a more efficient language, yet still access them from PHP as if they were native objects. This, one assumes, is the basis for TFA's rant, but you only really see the benefits of such implementations if they are classes you use _all_ the fucking time, if it is something you see once in a blue moon the performance benefit will be unmeasurable, as opposed to the dev time which will of course be far higher for C++. We didn't all get woodies for RAD tools for no damn good reason, of course things are quicker to develop in PHP.
Someone repeatedly drown and resuscitate this damn editor until it no longer works, because really, no fucking clue.
This guys takes some benchmarks that have absolutely no basis in actual real world performance and beats his drum.
What, does he want a medal for a beat up on /.?
Drop this fool down a well, and leave optimisation to those who understand it.
A very restricted SPF TXT record that specifies _precisely_ which IP addresses an incoming SMTP for a given domain an email _must_ come from cannot hurt. At best, your IT admins have wasted a half hour, at best they have significantly improved the chance of your outgoing email being not treated as suspicious by bulk email handlers such as yahoo, gmail and hotmail (especially hotmail).
You want proof? Check your shit. http://postmaster.live.com/Services.aspx . And no, I don't work for MS, but damn they provide the best postmaster tools on the interweb for monitoring shit like email deliverability. Don't even talk to me about the pestilence that is Yahoo!, those pricks remind me of my evil DM who used to make up pointless forms just to pass the time.
Guy is a fucking turkey. iinet only took part in the trial to prove how idiotic it was, anyone who has a ssh tunnel to somewhere in the rest of the world can immediately bypass this foolish plan, and that has been pointed out to him. Repeatedly. Should I mention the turkey thing again? Not even to mention stenography, gpg encrypted emails, etc, etc, etc. This guy is without a doubt the biggest dumbfuck in the current Labour government.
Why don't we vote the other guys back in, I hear you ask? Why, because in Labour this kind of turkey is somewhat rare, whereas the Liberals/Nationals has a good half dozen or so wack jobs even loonier than him. Why are so many extremists attracted to politics in Aus? Because capable people stand to make way more in the private sector, and those very few capable people with a strong sense of ethics tend to join a party with an ethical basis, such as the Greens, who have yet to make enough traction to make useful changes to the fucked up political culture in this country.
And for what it is worth, the legislation is still just a twinkle in Conroy's eye, it hasn't even been tabled in the house of reps yet, let alone pass a hostile senate.
Believe me, our politicians have not been cool since the early to mid seventies.
Not saying the rest of us don't have some chops, but really, I don't know anyone who doesn't think Conroy is an unmitigated fool. He was elected because he was Labour, not because of the crazy shit he believes, and he got his cabinet position because of factional balance, despite what shit Rudd spouts about being above factional politics.
Yes, sadly so, we need to introduce a new law. Must be at least this technically literate to hold a ministerial position governing technology. Sadly, that would exclude essentially all currently elected politicians, as well as the vast bulk of the potential electoral fodder.
This is essentially the end result of having a technological society where technological education is not mandatory. They require you to learn English, so you can speak to people, but the don't require you understand technology, so that you can understand the society you live in.
As a consequence, at best, the pollies are neophytes, and at worst luddites.
I'm sure I can't be the only one who saw this and thought, "You told us this, what, a week ago?". Goddamn moderators.
I think these guys were trolling jaded /. readers for kicks
Oh man, the number of times I've heard one of the BD/marketing guys spouting off about some shit he has only been paid to sell, not understand and I've thought, man, seriously hope no one he is talking to has a clue, because, really, if they do, we are going to look like dicks right now.
This shit happens a hundred times a day all over the world, BD/marketing guys spout shit, what we pay them for, apparently, just happens this time someone wrote it down where people who know better could see.
Nothing MS specific about this, except this particular waste of space happens to work for them. Or at least, he did :)
I hereby nominate this as the most singularly stupid question added to AskSlashdot in the whole time I have been reading ./, and that is a long goddamn while encompassing some pretty dumb-arsed questions.
Short answer, "Did you recently find the internet?" shortly followed up by "what goddamned rock have you been living under?".
Of course verifying your email address with the guys who hope you are desperate enough for a larger wang will result in more wang-enlarging email being sent to that address.
Where the fuck do you think they get these addresses from? Trust me when I tell you the data in those lists is poorly verified. Even in "legitimate" opt-in lists a large percentage have either given something which doesn't even look like an email address and non-existent validation has allowed it in or something which could be an email address but was never double opt-ed in results in up to (in my experience) 30% of companys' mailing lists being non-existant.
So many of the companies in that space have been working in the fax spam business that it is impossible to make them understand the current environment. That said, I'm talking about Australia, in the US you can still pretty much spam with impunity.
Obama, you planning on replacing CAN-SPAM with something with teeth any time soon?