Summer of '03, rural Midwest, grain silo pads, garages, bigass pig barn foundations, stuff like that. Just with the one company, we usually worked five 10-hour days. Sometimes the odd Saturday afternoon, other times maybe we get off a little early on Friday. God damn I have never worked that hard before or since.
You are advocating the murder of largely innocent people (believe it or not) because some wingnut who decided pot was illegal ordered you arrested?
That's an interesting read on the GP post. I thought he was advocating defending himself from the armed men who meant him harm.
Go read about Dr. King. You start with civil disobedience. The country is not so far gone yet that it doesn't work.
Yeah it is. Did you miss the news from this year's Republican National Convention? And with regards to the drug war, civil disobedience has accomplished just about nil for the last forty or so years. Let's compare that with the civil rights movement which you cite. In forty years, this country has gone from colored-only drinking fountains to a black man in the Oval Office. Compared to the drug war, where (in some places) we've gone from a six months in jail for holding an ounce to five years in prison for the same offense.
And let's talk about Dr. King for a second as long as we're on the topic here. MLK marched around the south for ten years and accomplished pretty much dick. Then, elsewhere, in communities that had not been poisoned by the "pacifism at any price" meme, people started burning shit down. Then, and only then, did real substantial change begin to happen. "I'll let you beat me up until you feel guilty about it" is not a strategy.
When it becomes clear (as in more than to just conspiracy theorists) that people are being murdered or 'disapeared' because of drug use (and no, the guy with a bad acid trip or using the black tar heroin that started shooting at police DOES NOT COUNT) then you can come to me speaking of starting a second civil war.
Let's present a hypothetical here that really isn't very hypothetical at all. If a fifty year old man gets busted by the DEA growing weed in his basement, the government can put that man away for the rest of his life. Think about that concept for a second. Just as good as killing the guy. How long do you propose we let that go on? Just let them keep beating us up until they feel guilty about it?
People like you are way to similar to the real terrorists. You have your idea, want it to be reality, and will kill anyone you perceive will hold you back. Meanwhile you cause harm to befall those with a similar idea to you even if it IS a reasonable idea.
I'm confused. Are we talking about GP or the government?
In short, you are harming the cause and are part of the problem.
Nosir. In your blind adherence to the religion of pacifism, which as a philosophy didn't work then and doesn't work now, you are harming the cause and are part of the problem.
Yes, and packages and repositories are a horrible kludge to fix the basic problem: a lack of binary compatibility between version or even distros.
I think you're backwards. "By-hand" binary distribution (by which I mean "you have to find and install and update it yourself separately from the rest of your system") is a not-nearly-as-functional workaround for systems that are are unable or unwilling to modernize. Seriously, tell me with a straight face it's easier to install and maintain software on Windows than Debian.
So you end up with a situation where a third-party developer either has to do the almost impossible task of compiling and packaging for all popular distros, or else depend on the goodwill and whims of a large number of people that they do the work him.
Yeah, because we're just desperately short of people that are willing to package software. Obviously.
Good comment, I agree wholeheartedly with the thrust of it, but the ATM example was a poor one. I see text-based ATMs all the time, seems like every bar or bodega I walk into has one of those old Diebold ATMs with the blue screen.
Who said anything about users? That's why we have things called packages and repositories. Give me source code from 1998 and I will make a.deb out of it that users can install and run today.
Factual error here: Stallman would still complain that companies are using GPL software to turn a profit and not enabling their customers to not pay them (ala Tivo). That's not the issue at all. The problem is that Tivo freeloads on the community by not releasing their source in any useful way. Free software is a matter of liberty, not price. Free speech != Free ride.
As for your other examples, yes, yes, and yes, and he'd still be right.
I was more talking about devs that keep trying to block nvidia, or block blobs, or block whatever.
This thread is chock full of examples of why people are against blobs. They make troubleshooting an exercise in frustration, obvious flaws cannot be fixed, and usually even once you figure out what a problem is the only solution is "you're fucked, use the nv driver." It's not some "death to the infidels" thing here (okay, maybe for some folks it is), there are good reasons for these decisions.
No, Nvidia sucks because those binary blobs just fucking suck. Go to any Linux forum, scan the front page and see who's having video trouble. SHOCKER! It's all the poor bastards using Nvidia cards! Your argument might hold water if those binary blobs weren't the source of so many needless problems that could be fixed if they'd just let us.
Linux has been around for 27 years, and has almost no market share among non-techies.
I think that's a massive oversimplification. What the Ubuntu desktop user thinks of as "Linux" is not the Linux that existed in 1993, or even 2000. Gnome 2.0 and KDE 3.0 both released in 2002, I'd say that's a pretty good benchmark to use. So, five years. In those five years we've gone from the basement to Best Buy. GNU/Linux desktop adaptation continues to proceed at an exponential rate all day, all the time. That's not true of any other player in the market.
I don't think "fair" is a useful word to use here. I had never really considered it in precisely those terms before, but I think the parent made a pretty good point with the "too important to pay for" idea. Free software is an inevitable iteration of computing in a capitalist society. It makes too much sense to not do.
"Fair" is a moral judgment. Economics doesn't make moral judgments.
Well the problem with that argument is that OSS does the %90, but leaves it to the commercial sector to do the remaining %10 that takes a product from "good enough" to great.
Tell that to the Amarok guys. And the Miro guys. And Mozilla. And the Compiz team. And Bram Cohen. And the kernel team.
That's why a closed source desktop (Apple) is winning the desktop wars with an underlying base of OSS.
Yeah, all those Apple netbooks are sure kicking Linux's ass, huh? You fail.
Sorry, I was tired when I wrote that. My point was not the number of times the prompt comes up, but the fact that it's not a password prompt. It's just a Yes/No dialog, just like any other Yes/No dialog that a user may see in their daily activities. That's not a security feature.
I Never had a good clean Ubuntu experience. Yet I report such problems except for saying oh this is a problem it may be unique, they just mod me as troll and ignore the problem.
Well there you go then. Instead of taking your issues to the kind of places that can "mod you as troll," you should take them to the kind of places that can "fix your damn problems."
That is why Linux is limited to 2% market share.
Because of Slashdot? You know, somehow I don't think that's it.
Decent, God-fearing white Americans being brainwashed by insidious anti-white racist propaganda? Is this some complex piece of satire, or are you for real?
Slashdot Mirror
Summer of '03, rural Midwest, grain silo pads, garages, bigass pig barn foundations, stuff like that. Just with the one company, we usually worked five 10-hour days. Sometimes the odd Saturday afternoon, other times maybe we get off a little early on Friday. God damn I have never worked that hard before or since.
Bullshit. I spent a summer laying concrete, and we never worked less than 45 hours a week, usually 50.
You are advocating the murder of largely innocent people (believe it or not) because some wingnut who decided pot was illegal ordered you arrested?
That's an interesting read on the GP post. I thought he was advocating defending himself from the armed men who meant him harm.
Go read about Dr. King. You start with civil disobedience. The country is not so far gone yet that it doesn't work.
Yeah it is. Did you miss the news from this year's Republican National Convention? And with regards to the drug war, civil disobedience has accomplished just about nil for the last forty or so years. Let's compare that with the civil rights movement which you cite. In forty years, this country has gone from colored-only drinking fountains to a black man in the Oval Office. Compared to the drug war, where (in some places) we've gone from a six months in jail for holding an ounce to five years in prison for the same offense.
And let's talk about Dr. King for a second as long as we're on the topic here. MLK marched around the south for ten years and accomplished pretty much dick. Then, elsewhere, in communities that had not been poisoned by the "pacifism at any price" meme, people started burning shit down. Then, and only then, did real substantial change begin to happen. "I'll let you beat me up until you feel guilty about it" is not a strategy.
When it becomes clear (as in more than to just conspiracy theorists) that people are being murdered or 'disapeared' because of drug use (and no, the guy with a bad acid trip or using the black tar heroin that started shooting at police DOES NOT COUNT) then you can come to me speaking of starting a second civil war.
Let's present a hypothetical here that really isn't very hypothetical at all. If a fifty year old man gets busted by the DEA growing weed in his basement, the government can put that man away for the rest of his life. Think about that concept for a second. Just as good as killing the guy. How long do you propose we let that go on? Just let them keep beating us up until they feel guilty about it?
People like you are way to similar to the real terrorists. You have your idea, want it to be reality, and will kill anyone you perceive will hold you back. Meanwhile you cause harm to befall those with a similar idea to you even if it IS a reasonable idea.
I'm confused. Are we talking about GP or the government?
In short, you are harming the cause and are part of the problem.
Nosir. In your blind adherence to the religion of pacifism, which as a philosophy didn't work then and doesn't work now, you are harming the cause and are part of the problem.
It's also what most viruses run on. You're making a trade-off there, even if you're not aware of it.
Yes, and packages and repositories are a horrible kludge to fix the basic problem: a lack of binary compatibility between version or even distros.
I think you're backwards. "By-hand" binary distribution (by which I mean "you have to find and install and update it yourself separately from the rest of your system") is a not-nearly-as-functional workaround for systems that are are unable or unwilling to modernize. Seriously, tell me with a straight face it's easier to install and maintain software on Windows than Debian.
So you end up with a situation where a third-party developer either has to do the almost impossible task of compiling and packaging for all popular distros, or else depend on the goodwill and whims of a large number of people that they do the work him.
Yeah, because we're just desperately short of people that are willing to package software. Obviously.
Maybe it's just that I've got a lot of shady spots in my neighborhood :)
Good comment, I agree wholeheartedly with the thrust of it, but the ATM example was a poor one. I see text-based ATMs all the time, seems like every bar or bodega I walk into has one of those old Diebold ATMs with the blue screen.
Who said anything about users? That's why we have things called packages and repositories. Give me source code from 1998 and I will make a .deb out of it that users can install and run today.
That's true of Linux as well. A well-written C program will compile and run anywhere GCC resides.
Factual error here: Stallman would still complain that companies are using GPL software to turn a profit and not enabling their customers to not pay them (ala Tivo). That's not the issue at all. The problem is that Tivo freeloads on the community by not releasing their source in any useful way. Free software is a matter of liberty, not price. Free speech != Free ride.
As for your other examples, yes, yes, and yes, and he'd still be right.
How about how a closed-source driver which crashes my X server every day and a half...
Fixed.
I was more talking about devs that keep trying to block nvidia, or block blobs, or block whatever.
This thread is chock full of examples of why people are against blobs. They make troubleshooting an exercise in frustration, obvious flaws cannot be fixed, and usually even once you figure out what a problem is the only solution is "you're fucked, use the nv driver." It's not some "death to the infidels" thing here (okay, maybe for some folks it is), there are good reasons for these decisions.
No, Nvidia sucks because those binary blobs just fucking suck. Go to any Linux forum, scan the front page and see who's having video trouble. SHOCKER! It's all the poor bastards using Nvidia cards! Your argument might hold water if those binary blobs weren't the source of so many needless problems that could be fixed if they'd just let us.
No, we don't need them.
Slackware.
Only on an MS bashing site are people claiming something illegal may have happened.
Well, except for, y'know, also federal court. But other than that you're exactly right. Or something.
Linux has been around for 27 years, and has almost no market share among non-techies.
I think that's a massive oversimplification. What the Ubuntu desktop user thinks of as "Linux" is not the Linux that existed in 1993, or even 2000. Gnome 2.0 and KDE 3.0 both released in 2002, I'd say that's a pretty good benchmark to use. So, five years. In those five years we've gone from the basement to Best Buy. GNU/Linux desktop adaptation continues to proceed at an exponential rate all day, all the time. That's not true of any other player in the market.
And 2008 - 1991 = 17, btw.
I don't think "fair" is a useful word to use here. I had never really considered it in precisely those terms before, but I think the parent made a pretty good point with the "too important to pay for" idea. Free software is an inevitable iteration of computing in a capitalist society. It makes too much sense to not do.
"Fair" is a moral judgment. Economics doesn't make moral judgments.
except the last stage never happens. As companies don't like change, they can't see their software is worth less over time.
That's not true. Look at games. I bought Civ4 when it came out for $50. Now you can get Civ4 and all the expansions boxed with it for about $35.
Well the problem with that argument is that OSS does the %90, but leaves it to the commercial sector to do the remaining %10 that takes a product from "good enough" to great.
Tell that to the Amarok guys. And the Miro guys. And Mozilla. And the Compiz team. And Bram Cohen. And the kernel team.
That's why a closed source desktop (Apple) is winning the desktop wars with an underlying base of OSS.
Yeah, all those Apple netbooks are sure kicking Linux's ass, huh? You fail.
Sorry, I was tired when I wrote that. My point was not the number of times the prompt comes up, but the fact that it's not a password prompt. It's just a Yes/No dialog, just like any other Yes/No dialog that a user may see in their daily activities. That's not a security feature.
This monopoly. Please pay attention.
it even has a sudo tool...it's called UAC.
I do not think that means what you think that means.
I don't really think you're getting it here.
Now I ask you, is any of the above something a normal user (without administrative rights) should be able to do?
Of course not, that's why UAC has a password dialog to make... sure...
Oh, wait. It's just another "Yes/No" prompt like the other three hundred you click every day. That is just mind-bogglingly stupid.
I Never had a good clean Ubuntu experience. Yet I report such problems except for saying oh this is a problem it may be unique, they just mod me as troll and ignore the problem.
Well there you go then. Instead of taking your issues to the kind of places that can "mod you as troll," you should take them to the kind of places that can "fix your damn problems."
That is why Linux is limited to 2% market share.
Because of Slashdot? You know, somehow I don't think that's it.
Decent, God-fearing white Americans being brainwashed by insidious anti-white racist propaganda? Is this some complex piece of satire, or are you for real?