If you extracted the DNA from your Cherokee Purple, modified it by inserting genes from your San Martino in a way nature could not, they yes, that is a GMO tomato. From WikiPedia: "A genetically modified organism (GMO) is an organism whose genetic material has been altered using genetic engineering techniques." NOT cross-pollinating which is a naturally occurring process.
There is no argument that everything organic is safe. The argument is that some people do not want to consume GMO's. Whether their reason is because of the environmental impacts of over use of pesticides, the "patenting" of our food, nutritional concerns, or any other hosts of reasons, they should have the right to know what foods contain GM ingredients.
Agree, don't elect those legislators. Unfortunately, that hasn't happened yet. The only option at this point is to make sure our opinions are clearly voiced to the currently elected legislators. And get a large group of individuals to join and say the same message - so many that the current reps can't ignore it.
I'm all for starting over and electing new representatives and voting out all incumbents - but I'm not sure if the majority feels the same way yet.
Instead of just blabbing about the issues with Congress, we need to demand they represent us! We need to constantly hit them with letters, calls, etc., telling them how to do their job. It's as easy as filling out a form on the web. Eventually, they will listen, but not until enough people start telling them how to make decisions that benefit the whole country. DownSizeDC.org is a great organization that has many great ideas and suggestions for Congress. They even have a campaign for this topic: http://www.downsizedc.org/blog/urgent-a-bill-with-no-name
Take a look at DownsizeDC.org's Read the Bills Act and all their other campaigns. Their mission is to get this country back on track. Take a moment and contact your senators!
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"Never underestimate the power of a small group of people to change the world. In fact it's the only way it ever has." - Margaret Mead
People will just grab it, flush Linux, install pirated Windows and manage to somehow get $100 each Freecycle.org does not allow users to resell, and as difficult as it sounds, they do occasionally find people that re-sell and then ban the from freecycle. Yes, we can go on into excruciating detail about how difficult it would be to ban someone from freecycle, but alas, don't let a few bad apples spoil the joy of providing a tool to a needy family/individual.
There are many folks that would really benefit from a computer with an productivity suite and Internet capabilities. Install linux and open office then give away on freecycle.org. Caveat that there is no support available.
The best way to ensure our rights will not get stripped is to contact your Senators. Support Senator Bennett's Amendment 20, which would remove the regulations of Section 220, which deal specifically with grassroots groups.
Ok, no I'm not the type with my hands over my ears, and I'm not looking to get into a pissing match with anyone about being green. More power to you if you are, I hope many follow.
Lets think a little more about this experiment for a moment. Lets assume the experimenter used tap water. As we all know, tap water has more than just H2O in it. It is laced with chlorine, flouride, and any number of checmicals which can be found from your local annual water report that gets mailed to you if you pay the water bill.
Now, with those other ingredients included, would a chemist like to explain which other substances could be formed? I do not know the answer, I'm genuinely curious as to what else could be formed. Maybe different results with this experiment could be attributed to using tap water and the differing chemicals from water company to water company... Just a thought.
Unlike the opinion of modern science, and almost everyone on Slashdot, I do not know everything and admit when I do not know the answer. This is one of those situations. I do not know why. All I know is that you should question EVERYTHING. Just because the FDA or the USDA or anyother goverment organization (read: only interested in $$ which is provided by the lobbyists of the new technology) approves a product, does not mean it is safe or that science has truly proven it operates within "safe" parameters.
Point to the parent of this, don't bash environmentalists because your training/education has led you to believe that is the correct thing to do. Be open minded and consider, just for a moment, science is not 100% accurate.
-Gather some small pots with soil -Place 1 seed of your favorite plant (daisy's will work just fine) in each pot -Water half of the plants with boiled water (tap, bottled, whatever) that you let cool before watering plant -Water the other half with water (same source as above) boiled in a glass in a microwave, again that you let cool before watering
Watch what happens over a 10 day period. You tell me if scientists fully understand what a microwave does to our food.
The danger with genetically engineered crops is the drastic increase use of pesticides and other chemicals (which the GE crops are engineered to be immune to). That increase pollutes streams and increases the production of harmful chemicals, which causes undesirable diseases in humans.
Additionally, who said the the radiation level after using a microwave on your food is safe? Many people, I for one, refuse to eat anything that came out of a microwave. Not only because of the radiation but also because it modifies food on a molecular level, potentially stripping it of the nutrients humans need to be healthy.
How do we even know a clone is an exact clone? You mean to tell me scientists have figgured out EVERYTHING and they KNOW 100% it is an exact clone and it is safe? I prefer not to be part of a large cloning experiment. Nor do I want genetically engineered organisms in my body reeking havoc on a very fragile system designed by nature, not scientists. I wouldn't trust my Toyota to be serviced by a GM technician, why would I trust my body to be maintained by anything other than nature.
Environmentalist don't come up with these things for fun. They are mostly there to help people realize how much $$ influences everything, health is never a concern.
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If you extracted the DNA from your Cherokee Purple, modified it by inserting genes from your San Martino in a way nature could not, they yes, that is a GMO tomato. From WikiPedia: "A genetically modified organism (GMO) is an organism whose genetic material has been altered using genetic engineering techniques." NOT cross-pollinating which is a naturally occurring process. There is no argument that everything organic is safe. The argument is that some people do not want to consume GMO's. Whether their reason is because of the environmental impacts of over use of pesticides, the "patenting" of our food, nutritional concerns, or any other hosts of reasons, they should have the right to know what foods contain GM ingredients.
The organic standards do not allow any GM ingredients. If it is certified organic it is non-GM.
Agree, don't elect those legislators. Unfortunately, that hasn't happened yet. The only option at this point is to make sure our opinions are clearly voiced to the currently elected legislators. And get a large group of individuals to join and say the same message - so many that the current reps can't ignore it. I'm all for starting over and electing new representatives and voting out all incumbents - but I'm not sure if the majority feels the same way yet.
Instead of just blabbing about the issues with Congress, we need to demand they represent us! We need to constantly hit them with letters, calls, etc., telling them how to do their job. It's as easy as filling out a form on the web. Eventually, they will listen, but not until enough people start telling them how to make decisions that benefit the whole country. DownSizeDC.org is a great organization that has many great ideas and suggestions for Congress. They even have a campaign for this topic: http://www.downsizedc.org/blog/urgent-a-bill-with-no-name
---- "Never underestimate the power of a small group of people to change the world. In fact it's the only way it ever has." - Margaret Mead
There are many folks that would really benefit from a computer with an productivity suite and Internet capabilities. Install linux and open office then give away on freecycle.org. Caveat that there is no support available.
The best way to ensure our rights will not get stripped is to contact your Senators.
Support Senator Bennett's Amendment 20, which would remove the regulations of Section 220, which deal specifically with grassroots groups.
Its as easy as going to http://action.downsizedc.org/wyc.php?cid=61
Ok, no I'm not the type with my hands over my ears, and I'm not looking to get into a pissing match with anyone about being green. More power to you if you are, I hope many follow.
Lets think a little more about this experiment for a moment. Lets assume the experimenter used tap water. As we all know, tap water has more than just H2O in it. It is laced with chlorine, flouride, and any number of checmicals which can be found from your local annual water report that gets mailed to you if you pay the water bill.
Now, with those other ingredients included, would a chemist like to explain which other substances could be formed? I do not know the answer, I'm genuinely curious as to what else could be formed. Maybe different results with this experiment could be attributed to using tap water and the differing chemicals from water company to water company... Just a thought.
Unlike the opinion of modern science, and almost everyone on Slashdot, I do not know everything and admit when I do not know the answer. This is one of those situations. I do not know why.
All I know is that you should question EVERYTHING. Just because the FDA or the USDA or anyother goverment organization (read: only interested in $$ which is provided by the lobbyists of the new technology) approves a product, does not mean it is safe or that science has truly proven it operates within "safe" parameters.
Point to the parent of this, don't bash environmentalists because your training/education has led you to believe that is the correct thing to do. Be open minded and consider, just for a moment, science is not 100% accurate.
I hate to have to educate you but not everything on the Internet is true.
Should i post the 50 the say its not a myth? What good does a URL from the Internet do? DO THE EXPERIMENT to find out that its not a myth.
Do yourself a favor and complete this experiment.
-Gather some small pots with soil
-Place 1 seed of your favorite plant (daisy's will work just fine) in each pot
-Water half of the plants with boiled water (tap, bottled, whatever) that you let cool before watering plant
-Water the other half with water (same source as above) boiled in a glass in a microwave, again that you let cool before watering
Watch what happens over a 10 day period. You tell me if scientists fully understand what a microwave does to our food.
The danger with genetically engineered crops is the drastic increase use of pesticides and other chemicals (which the GE crops are engineered to be immune to). That increase pollutes streams and increases the production of harmful chemicals, which causes undesirable diseases in humans.
Additionally, who said the the radiation level after using a microwave on your food is safe? Many people, I for one, refuse to eat anything that came out of a microwave. Not only because of the radiation but also because it modifies food on a molecular level, potentially stripping it of the nutrients humans need to be healthy.
How do we even know a clone is an exact clone? You mean to tell me scientists have figgured out EVERYTHING and they KNOW 100% it is an exact clone and it is safe? I prefer not to be part of a large cloning experiment. Nor do I want genetically engineered organisms in my body reeking havoc on a very fragile system designed by nature, not scientists. I wouldn't trust my Toyota to be serviced by a GM technician, why would I trust my body to be maintained by anything other than nature.
Environmentalist don't come up with these things for fun. They are mostly there to help people realize how much $$ influences everything, health is never a concern.