Right. Because it was obsolete before it was ever made. Mechanical watches (and there are worthy Rolexes that are quartz) have been obsolete since the 1970s.
In 10 years any old smartwatch from 2015 will be next to useless/worthless. That's not to say they won't be useful now, just like a phone; but it's not an heirloom.
Yes. And mechanical watches have been obsolete since the 1970s. Yet people still buy them.
Yeah, except that if I buy a Breitling, with a battery change and lack of abuse it will still work exactly as good in 30 years as it does today.
If you bought a Breitling with a battery (and are somehow proud of that) then you are by definition not a "watch guy".
Also, mechanical watches need to be completely disassembled, ultrasonically cleaned, and re-assembled and re-lubed, approximately every five (or so) years.
I own several mechanical watches. They need to be completely disassembled, ultrasonically cleaned, and re-assembled (with fresh lubrication). About every five years, as it turns out.
Fancy watches are jewelry. Jewelry doesn't become obsolete in 2 years.
Actually, those "fancy watches" (generally speaking, those which are mechanical and have no batteries) have been obsolete since the seventies. A cheap quartz watch keeps better time than the very best mechanical watches. That doesn't seem to stop people from dropping tens of thousands of dollars on long-obsolete mechanical watches.
I don't think you realize also how much confusion it generates for ordinary people, including administrators and the general public who has to worry that their clocks are set right. If mistakes are made by admins, then the knock-on effects can be even worse.
I do realize that. But I'm also pragmatic enough to know that bitchy programmers who don't want to tackle the hard problems are not going to make one whit of difference in the cosmic scheme of things.
Heck even taking a couple of minutes to change the clocks multiplied by a billion people equals a LOT of time lost. Not to mention that DST often affects sleep cycles in a bad way, or at least in a mildly bad way for perhaps most people.
This seems like less of a problem as time goes on, given the fact that ever-increasing numbers of time-telling devices are connected to reliable sources of time. Assuming, at least, that the humans programming those devices weren't as fucking lazy as you are.
I'm going to be a bit harsh now, and I may even be at least partially wrong, but you really don't seem to care about unification, consolidation, standards, or simplifying things as much as you should.
Don't put words in my mouth. I care lots about those things. And I know a losing fight when I see one. Convincing society to change their ways so that you don't have to do the hard stuff is a losing fight. Get over it.
I have no doubt your programming skills are capable of taking on such tasks, but the fact you're not even SLIGHTLY bitter about the mess that is time zones indicates that for better or for worse, elegant design and unification is not your first priority. And I think that's where you're mistaken.
Why would *anyone* be bitter over something that they have absolutely no control over, and is (at most) a minor annoyance? Of all the possible things (that are out of your control), why choose that one? Why not be bitter about social injustice (unless you're one of those gamergate morons) or global warming (unless you're one of those climate-change-denier morons) or the declining rate of vaccinations in the US (unless you're one of those anti-vaxxer morons).
Oh, wait... I get it now. You're a shitty programmer AND you probably have nothing left to be bitter about. Except DST.
The fact I think the mods are stupid is twofold: they are actually dumb, at least in comparison to the brighter posters. More importantly, the fact that people are willing to waste time on m1 OR m2 implies a certain lack of imagination and a desire to do/.'s work for free. I don't work for free anywhere.
And somehow you failed to notice that by posting on slashdot, you are providing the content that drives traffic (and therefore ad revenue). For free.
Seems maybe the moderators aren't the dumbest ones in the room.
I'm waiting for the gangsta rappers and make believe, wanna be thugs to be ruined for their racist, anti-gay, misogynistic, anti-social, violent cliched rants.
When those gangsta rappers and thugs become senators, company presidents, or the captains of industry and subsequently start imposing their views on their constituents / employees / industries, then you will have a point. But until those gangsta rappers and thugs have any kind of actual power imbued upon them by their standing as a majority, then your argument is meaningless and paints you as a racist idiot.
I'm not defending christians here, I'm attacking hypocrisy, and right now, the left has that in spades when it comes to 'social justice.'
You say you're not a troll (at least you did in an earlier post) but your behavior is indistinguishable from a troll. Ergo, I still think you're a troll.
And if you actually believe the nonsense you're spouting, then you're a sad, pathetic excuse for a human being.
Do you *really* think that the entirety of society should modify their current customs and behavior so that computers (and their programmers) have an easier time of things? Because honestly, that is the textbook definition of a shitty programmer.
China does just fine on a single time zone. In fact maybe we should get the whole world on UTC and just adapt locally.
So instead of having an agreed-upon offset from UTC based on specific and well-defined geographic regions, you'd rather leave it up to every single individual to define their own mental offset to guide their day?
I've dealt extensively with time, including dealing with the fact that the system clock -- independent of DST -- does not always increase monotonically. In fact, sometimes it goes backwards, especially after an NTP adjustment event.
Pleasing the unwashed masses is not my task. Yes, that means you, with the mod points.
I make a point of modding down people with signatures bitching about people with mod points. And since I won't be able to comment in the topic where I've just modded you, I thought I'd give you some heads up.
Harden the fuck up, slashdotters. Twice a year you guys bitch and moan about what a horrible burden it is on you to have to change your clocks. In the time it took you to type your whinge, you could have already updated the few remaining analog clocks in your abode.
And if you were real nerds, all your clocks would update automatically.
Those who dislike it naturally believe that most people agree with them. Those who like it also naturally believe that most people agree with them.
Just because a bunch of people are vocal in their dislike (or like) does not make them a majority. The majority of people don't actually give a shit and thus don't whine about it incessantly.
Oh, those evil republicans? Did you know Hillary's lifetime top 10 on-the-record donors are all investment banks and cable companies? Both parties are thoroughly and equally corrupted by donors. They only differ on unimportant social issues now.
Since she actually holds no office at this moment in time, your point is both moot and frankly insipid.
Well I love my home state and it's people. We're mostly down-to-earth, and pragmatic. Unfortunately we're really big on grand gestures. And fond of the metaphorical sharp-stick-in-the-eye brand of protesting.
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Not really, the Submariner design hasn't really changed at all in it's lifetime.
The classic designs never really go out of style.
Personally, I find the Submariner (and most Rolex watches) to be egregiously ugly. You call it classic, I call it hideous.
But the Rolex won't be obsolete in a year.
Right. Because it was obsolete before it was ever made. Mechanical watches (and there are worthy Rolexes that are quartz) have been obsolete since the 1970s.
In 10 years any old smartwatch from 2015 will be next to useless/worthless. That's not to say they won't be useful now, just like a phone; but it's not an heirloom.
Yes. And mechanical watches have been obsolete since the 1970s. Yet people still buy them.
What was your point again?
Yeah, except that if I buy a Breitling, with a battery change and lack of abuse it will still work exactly as good in 30 years as it does today.
If you bought a Breitling with a battery (and are somehow proud of that) then you are by definition not a "watch guy".
Also, mechanical watches need to be completely disassembled, ultrasonically cleaned, and re-assembled and re-lubed, approximately every five (or so) years.
Except Apple is not a watch brand, so they cannot expect to be able to charge what Rolex or Breitling can.
You're right. And they don't. Gold Rolex watches are quite a bit more. At least double, if not triple, what the Apple Edition watch runs.
I own several mechanical watches. They need to be completely disassembled, ultrasonically cleaned, and re-assembled (with fresh lubrication). About every five years, as it turns out.
Fancy watches are jewelry. Jewelry doesn't become obsolete in 2 years.
Actually, those "fancy watches" (generally speaking, those which are mechanical and have no batteries) have been obsolete since the seventies. A cheap quartz watch keeps better time than the very best mechanical watches. That doesn't seem to stop people from dropping tens of thousands of dollars on long-obsolete mechanical watches.
I don't think you realize also how much confusion it generates for ordinary people, including administrators and the general public who has to worry that their clocks are set right. If mistakes are made by admins, then the knock-on effects can be even worse.
I do realize that. But I'm also pragmatic enough to know that bitchy programmers who don't want to tackle the hard problems are not going to make one whit of difference in the cosmic scheme of things.
Heck even taking a couple of minutes to change the clocks multiplied by a billion people equals a LOT of time lost. Not to mention that DST often affects sleep cycles in a bad way, or at least in a mildly bad way for perhaps most people.
This seems like less of a problem as time goes on, given the fact that ever-increasing numbers of time-telling devices are connected to reliable sources of time. Assuming, at least, that the humans programming those devices weren't as fucking lazy as you are.
I'm going to be a bit harsh now, and I may even be at least partially wrong, but you really don't seem to care about unification, consolidation, standards, or simplifying things as much as you should.
Don't put words in my mouth. I care lots about those things. And I know a losing fight when I see one. Convincing society to change their ways so that you don't have to do the hard stuff is a losing fight. Get over it.
I have no doubt your programming skills are capable of taking on such tasks, but the fact you're not even SLIGHTLY bitter about the mess that is time zones indicates that for better or for worse, elegant design and unification is not your first priority. And I think that's where you're mistaken.
Why would *anyone* be bitter over something that they have absolutely no control over, and is (at most) a minor annoyance? Of all the possible things (that are out of your control), why choose that one? Why not be bitter about social injustice (unless you're one of those gamergate morons) or global warming (unless you're one of those climate-change-denier morons) or the declining rate of vaccinations in the US (unless you're one of those anti-vaxxer morons).
Oh, wait... I get it now. You're a shitty programmer AND you probably have nothing left to be bitter about. Except DST.
So sad.
The fact I think the mods are stupid is twofold: they are actually dumb, at least in comparison to the brighter posters. More importantly, the fact that people are willing to waste time on m1 OR m2 implies a certain lack of imagination and a desire to do /.'s work for free. I don't work for free anywhere.
And somehow you failed to notice that by posting on slashdot, you are providing the content that drives traffic (and therefore ad revenue). For free.
Seems maybe the moderators aren't the dumbest ones in the room.
I'm waiting for the gangsta rappers and make believe, wanna be thugs to be ruined for their racist, anti-gay, misogynistic, anti-social, violent cliched rants.
When those gangsta rappers and thugs become senators, company presidents, or the captains of industry and subsequently start imposing their views on their constituents / employees / industries, then you will have a point. But until those gangsta rappers and thugs have any kind of actual power imbued upon them by their standing as a majority, then your argument is meaningless and paints you as a racist idiot.
I'm not defending christians here, I'm attacking hypocrisy, and right now, the left has that in spades when it comes to 'social justice.'
You say you're not a troll (at least you did in an earlier post) but your behavior is indistinguishable from a troll. Ergo, I still think you're a troll.
And if you actually believe the nonsense you're spouting, then you're a sad, pathetic excuse for a human being.
I've been rolling with this tag for almost 15 years. I'll take the risk. Mean every word of it, and it's proven right again and again.
I'd be fascinated to know how you arrived at the conclusion that it has "proven right again and again".
Do you *really* think that the entirety of society should modify their current customs and behavior so that computers (and their programmers) have an easier time of things? Because honestly, that is the textbook definition of a shitty programmer.
China does just fine on a single time zone. In fact maybe we should get the whole world on UTC and just adapt locally.
So instead of having an agreed-upon offset from UTC based on specific and well-defined geographic regions, you'd rather leave it up to every single individual to define their own mental offset to guide their day?
Yeah, that won't cause any confusion at all.
Please see my original statement: harden the fuck up.
I've dealt extensively with time, including dealing with the fact that the system clock -- independent of DST -- does not always increase monotonically. In fact, sometimes it goes backwards, especially after an NTP adjustment event.
Your move.
Nope. Home to one of the most diverse cities in the world. You can probably make the same racism case in your neck of the woods.
I lived in Texas for years, so your denial is meaningless. And laughable.
Pleasing the unwashed masses is not my task. Yes, that means you, with the mod points.
I make a point of modding down people with signatures bitching about people with mod points. And since I won't be able to comment in the topic where I've just modded you, I thought I'd give you some heads up.
Also, harden the fuck up and own your words.
It complicates administration, as well as making life tough for programmers
Then you're a shitty programmer. Harden the fuck up.
Harden the fuck up, slashdotters. Twice a year you guys bitch and moan about what a horrible burden it is on you to have to change your clocks. In the time it took you to type your whinge, you could have already updated the few remaining analog clocks in your abode.
And if you were real nerds, all your clocks would update automatically.
Those who dislike it naturally believe that most people agree with them. Those who like it also naturally believe that most people agree with them.
Just because a bunch of people are vocal in their dislike (or like) does not make them a majority. The majority of people don't actually give a shit and thus don't whine about it incessantly.
Posting this as an AC makes you look like a shill.
Oh, those evil republicans? Did you know Hillary's lifetime top 10 on-the-record donors are all investment banks and cable companies? Both parties are thoroughly and equally corrupted by donors. They only differ on unimportant social issues now.
Since she actually holds no office at this moment in time, your point is both moot and frankly insipid.
The FCC wants to regulate internet content like they do TV and radio
Yes. In much the same way as the Voting Rights Act of 1965 sought to regulate who can vote.
Put another way, your attempt to spin this as regulation is transparently dishonest.
Well I love my home state and it's people. We're mostly down-to-earth, and pragmatic. Unfortunately we're really big on grand gestures. And fond of the metaphorical sharp-stick-in-the-eye brand of protesting.
And racist.