Napster harms them, they own the artist. That's the only way napster harms artists. This distintion is important since "they" have also helped make laws, that a)turn musical works into "works for hire" meaning the artist can never regain their copyright, b)remove the right of an artist to get out of a contract (which gave up their copyright) when declaring bankrupty, and c)extending copyright beyond the lifetime of your average person.
So yea, they are fighting for their life. Fuck'em. This is an issue of control. And they couldn't care less if Napster, Gnutella, whatever, is making money or not. They specifically amended copyright in '98, so that is not a consideration. --
either that or it's a totally new media paradigm that up until about a year ago never existed in the known history of the universe. And people like to talk about it, but hey that's not a good excuse for the cynical whiner who worries about how many banner ad impression C|net gets when/. links to them.
if they wish to restrain free speech, they have to do it across the board. I wonder if the judge has looked at the number of DeCSS mirrors on the Net. I wonder if he realizes what exactly he sets in motion by declaring this code illegal. Either way, I've still got my t-shirt on today, and if someday that's a felony, well, then this country is more fucked up than I thought.
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what's the deal with your homepage? I remember seeing that one night and totally freaking out.
After watching some of the Republican convention last night, there's no way in hell I'm voting of GWB. I mean really, is "education" a platform? Seems more like a smokescreen to me.
Much of the boon for tech-jobs also will be eaten up over the next 5-10 years through simple social progress. 20 years ago it was only the very rich/dedicated folks who had home machines (Which is almost a pre-requisite for raising a computer geek), now pretty much anyone can get one. (if you can't afford $20/mo., stop smoking) This wide availability will remove or at least smooth the huge knowledge gap between compu-geeks and the rest of society. This tends to make those skills less valuable, as they are better understood, not as mysterious, and therfore more common. And all of that is still under the aforementioned recession worries.
yea, and the only way for this to work is to dupe the buying public into buying tainted hardware. Hopefully they'll look at DIVX for a good example of how much the market likes that. I'm sorry, but I will not pay more to make sure that my music costs more. Or at least not consciously.
The SMDI is a pipe-dream, and my guess is that you will reach armed rebellion before you stop people from trading MP3's. The recording industry is still treating this the wrong way, I'm sure (because I've been told) that there are others within those member companies that really want to explore some interesting ideas, but the dinosaurs at the top won't admit that they have no f-ing clue about what is going on.
Unless you can correct these perceptions, I can't see any way they are threatening the potential of the net for unsigned artists.
This is one aspect of the Napster argument that many RIAA apologists totally miss out on. Yes, the majority of their traffic is major issues from major studios (87% if you belive Napster's CEO, who gets server report logs), however, the service is extremely useful for listening to bands that you would never hear in another forum. I've done this for a number of bands that I've heard people mention.
Now you say "oh, but look at how many N'Sync and Britney spears download there are.", but this is a side effect of thier rabid promotion, coupled with the general lack of variety on the teeny-bopper scene. Where do kids hear about new songs and artists? The MTV and radio. You know how much it costs to create a video and get decent airplay? Well, let's put it this way, the only way you'd have enough money is if you sign away your life's work to a major record company.
So along comes a promotional vehicle that is completely out of control of the major studios, allows access to a huge variety of music on demand. All you need to know is the name of a band. This is where their actions are hurting small-time musicians. By destroying a promotional vehicle. How hard is it for a local or whatever musician to say "The band's name is X, song is X, you can check it out on Napster (or equiv.)" This gives anyone the chance to hear it without the artist having a cost, and achieving a benefit..another listener exposed to their music.
Multiply this exponentially, which happens fairly often in this medium, and hopefully this is an example on how destoying distrubution systems hurts those that could use such institutions to garner the attention needed for radio airplay, or a decent recording contract. By leveraging the power of the network, an individual can bootstrap themselves into the mainstream consciousness. This hasn't happened yet in music, but it will given the chance. Until upwards of 30% of consumers have broadband though, it is very unlikely. --
That's an interesting example you brought up. I tried their thing a while back. It didn't work. Then I found the whole show, and donated my bandwidth and server space to sharing it because I thought it was a great show.
A buck a song seems fair, until a virus or a hard disk crash costs you $2,000 in very expensive one and zeros. Well then you just download them again, you say. Well then why can't I download them after I buy a cd? Charging people money directly for downloads will not work, IMHO. The only way to give the product any real value is to support it with massive IP police.
Keep selling cds, playing live shows, make some cool shirts, and do jag commercials. And be creative with revenue streams, there are lots of ways to capitalize on mass attention. And subscriptions of one type or another will probably be real popular (i.e. the "band list" $5/mo. access to secure server, first dibs on tickets, etc) --
Probably you never will, either, since W2K doesn't do that kinda stuff.
Yea, they fixed W2k. So instead of getting a slight clue to what has caused your computer to stop on a dime, you get to sit and wonder what caused the problem as the system reboots, on a dime. --
Napster is a service. And a really amazing one if you think about it. The organization that is suing them is using laws that were amended two years ago to do so. They lobbied hard to get those laws.
The Internet has allowed the market to speak directly to each other and the people that run it. Both the businesses and the lawmakers. I can't even imagine the filth that is running over the RIAA's mail servers right now.
That being said. I think a service like Napster should be allowed to exist, with certain limitations. But those limitations should all be on how much money they can make as a service. Perhaps they should only be allowed to be a non-profit organization, and in steps Gnutella and OpenNAP.
Regardless, we are stepping into a new media environment (all the music ever created and recorded available) and it scares a shitload of people, mostly those that had control over the last one.
If this issue is important to you, I think it is important that you ask your lawmakers how they feel about it. Internet copyright, IP, and the media industry in this country. Votin' time is coming up soon. Abuse the power that millions of people have died for and make your opinion reality. --
Should the label not receive money from their investment, they'll either cut off the supply of money or not be able to afford as many expenses any more. Then everyone who relies on contracts from the label gets screwed.
Which would tell pretty much any clued in musician "don't sign away your work to a major label." Quite clearly it seems. --
It will, IMHO, come down to THE ARTISTS THEMSELVES making sure their fans know the score. Smart bands would put all or most of their mp3's on the home site. If most bands do this, what is the motivation for using napster or a similar service. The bands get the pr and build the fan base that no-cost promotion gains, and can set up their virtual "guitar case" on the same page IN BIG TYPE as the mp3s. Include a blurb by the band about how they feel the whole thing and why they feel they should share. None of this precludes the selling of other merchandise either, CDs and what not.
Anyway, the crux of it comes for the artists challenging their fans. The RIAA would never go for such a thing, because they don't feel it would work, and for them it wouldn't. I have no sympathy or desire to drop money into corporate coffers, especially this organization which has been screwing me for years, but given the chance to give directly to the artist I am appreciating, it makes a lot more sense.
Of course this brings something else to the point, and is my biggest caveat about the whole deal. THE MIDDLEMAN SHOULD NOT CONTROL THE MARKET.
which makes offering such a service much more valuable. Instant market. And I'm not talking about bugtraq, something a bit more user friendly, ie. this is your specific problem and these are the words you type in to fix it.
If you didn't buy the cd you have no right to listen to the songs at will- just wait for them to come on the radio.
then ignore 100 years of technical innovation, realize that you are a peon and have no control over your life, understand that your media choices will always be targeted to the lowest common denominator, and support government enforced scarcity and monopoly of infinite products. --
I've notice that refresh seems to work. Its been mainly over the last couple weeks. Everything seems to stall and a reload gets it right quick (lightmode, highest, nested, with -1 banished from sight). --
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They are right - using Napster harms the artist.
Napster harms them, they own the artist. That's the only way napster harms artists. This distintion is important since "they" have also helped make laws, that a)turn musical works into "works for hire" meaning the artist can never regain their copyright, b)remove the right of an artist to get out of a contract (which gave up their copyright) when declaring bankrupty, and c)extending copyright beyond the lifetime of your average person.
So yea, they are fighting for their life. Fuck'em. This is an issue of control. And they couldn't care less if Napster, Gnutella, whatever, is making money or not. They specifically amended copyright in '98, so that is not a consideration.
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either that or it's a totally new media paradigm that up until about a year ago never existed in the known history of the universe. And people like to talk about it, but hey that's not a good excuse for the cynical whiner who worries about how many banner ad impression C|net gets when /. links to them.
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if they wish to restrain free speech, they have to do it across the board. I wonder if the judge has looked at the number of DeCSS mirrors on the Net. I wonder if he realizes what exactly he sets in motion by declaring this code illegal. Either way, I've still got my t-shirt on today, and if someday that's a felony, well, then this country is more fucked up than I thought.
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what's the deal with your homepage? I remember seeing that one night and totally freaking out.
After watching some of the Republican convention last night, there's no way in hell I'm voting of GWB. I mean really, is "education" a platform? Seems more like a smokescreen to me.
Much of the boon for tech-jobs also will be eaten up over the next 5-10 years through simple social progress. 20 years ago it was only the very rich/dedicated folks who had home machines (Which is almost a pre-requisite for raising a computer geek), now pretty much anyone can get one. (if you can't afford $20/mo., stop smoking) This wide availability will remove or at least smooth the huge knowledge gap between compu-geeks and the rest of society. This tends to make those skills less valuable, as they are better understood, not as mysterious, and therfore more common. And all of that is still under the aforementioned recession worries.
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try live365. they have most of these features, but in a web interface.
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yea, and since he sponsored it, hopefully they'll pay attention, or at least his campaign coffers
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yea, and the only way for this to work is to dupe the buying public into buying tainted hardware. Hopefully they'll look at DIVX for a good example of how much the market likes that. I'm sorry, but I will not pay more to make sure that my music costs more. Or at least not consciously.
The SMDI is a pipe-dream, and my guess is that you will reach armed rebellion before you stop people from trading MP3's. The recording industry is still treating this the wrong way, I'm sure (because I've been told) that there are others within those member companies that really want to explore some interesting ideas, but the dinosaurs at the top won't admit that they have no f-ing clue about what is going on.
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Unless you can correct these perceptions, I can't see any way they are threatening
the potential of the net for unsigned artists.
This is one aspect of the Napster argument that many RIAA apologists totally miss out on. Yes, the majority of their traffic is major issues from major studios (87% if you belive Napster's CEO, who gets server report logs), however, the service is extremely useful for listening to bands that you would never hear in another forum. I've done this for a number of bands that I've heard people mention.
Now you say "oh, but look at how many N'Sync and Britney spears download there are.", but this is a side effect of thier rabid promotion, coupled with the general lack of variety on the teeny-bopper scene. Where do kids hear about new songs and artists? The MTV and radio. You know how much it costs to create a video and get decent airplay? Well, let's put it this way, the only way you'd have enough money is if you sign away your life's work to a major record company.
So along comes a promotional vehicle that is completely out of control of the major studios, allows access to a huge variety of music on demand. All you need to know is the name of a band. This is where their actions are hurting small-time musicians. By destroying a promotional vehicle. How hard is it for a local or whatever musician to say "The band's name is X, song is X, you can check it out on Napster (or equiv.)" This gives anyone the chance to hear it without the artist having a cost, and achieving a benefit..another listener exposed to their music.
Multiply this exponentially, which happens fairly often in this medium, and hopefully this is an example on how destoying distrubution systems hurts those that could use such institutions to garner the attention needed for radio airplay, or a decent recording contract. By leveraging the power of the network, an individual can bootstrap themselves into the mainstream consciousness. This hasn't happened yet in music, but it will given the chance. Until upwards of 30% of consumers have broadband though, it is very unlikely.
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That's an interesting example you brought up. I tried their thing a while back. It didn't work. Then I found the whole show, and donated my bandwidth and server space to sharing it because I thought it was a great show.
If you like, I think it's over here.
A buck a song seems fair, until a virus or a hard disk crash costs you $2,000 in very expensive one and zeros. Well then you just download them again, you say. Well then why can't I download them after I buy a cd? Charging people money directly for downloads will not work, IMHO. The only way to give the product any real value is to support it with massive IP police.
Keep selling cds, playing live shows, make some cool shirts, and do jag commercials. And be creative with revenue streams, there are lots of ways to capitalize on mass attention. And subscriptions of one type or another will probably be real popular (i.e. the "band list" $5/mo. access to secure server, first dibs on tickets, etc)
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Suckdot, because 100k geeks make a lot of impressions.
(posted from Mozilla. Which I support fully as it is the only hope I have for a good surfing experience under Linux)
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now people are going to be selling it, and the company that facilitates this illegal transaction is going to get a cut of it??
So it's a new competitor to eBay then, eh?
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Probably you never will, either, since W2K doesn't do that kinda stuff.
Yea, they fixed W2k. So instead of getting a slight clue to what has caused your computer to stop on a dime, you get to sit and wonder what caused the problem as the system reboots, on a dime.
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Napster is a service. And a really amazing one if you think about it. The organization that is suing them is using laws that were amended two years ago to do so. They lobbied hard to get those laws.
The Internet has allowed the market to speak directly to each other and the people that run it. Both the businesses and the lawmakers. I can't even imagine the filth that is running over the RIAA's mail servers right now.
That being said. I think a service like Napster should be allowed to exist, with certain limitations. But those limitations should all be on how much money they can make as a service. Perhaps they should only be allowed to be a non-profit organization, and in steps Gnutella and OpenNAP.
Regardless, we are stepping into a new media environment (all the music ever created and recorded available) and it scares a shitload of people, mostly those that had control over the last one.
If this issue is important to you, I think it is important that you ask your lawmakers how they feel about it. Internet copyright, IP, and the media industry in this country. Votin' time is coming up soon. Abuse the power that millions of people have died for and make your opinion reality.
--
Should the label not receive money from their investment, they'll either cut off the supply of money or not be able to afford as many expenses any more. Then everyone who relies on contracts from the label gets screwed.
Which would tell pretty much any clued in musician "don't sign away your work to a major label." Quite clearly it seems.
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and in the mountains, too. Rocky mountain high, pacific ocean low.
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other "protected" files
IE 5.x
Windows Media Player
Microsoft Frontpage
some links in browsers
these are automatically "fixed" if you "accidentally" remove them.
Win2K - 'cause there's nothing like being an administrator when "you don't have the authority to stop this process."
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2) MY problem is that I can't legally make copies of a product I purportedly own.
You just need to make damn sure you save it the correct location (in regards to downloaded mp3). We can't have you making copies all over your computer all day long. Each one of those copies takes a bite out of Kid Rock's sandwich.
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Can we be trusted to use Napster responsibly?
This is something that the Stephen King experiment might shed some light on. I wrote a bit about it here
It will, IMHO, come down to THE ARTISTS THEMSELVES making sure their fans know the score. Smart bands would put all or most of their mp3's on the home site. If most bands do this, what is the motivation for using napster or a similar service. The bands get the pr and build the fan base that no-cost promotion gains, and can set up their virtual "guitar case" on the same page IN BIG TYPE as the mp3s. Include a blurb by the band about how they feel the whole thing and why they feel they should share. None of this precludes the selling of other merchandise either, CDs and what not.
Anyway, the crux of it comes for the artists challenging their fans. The RIAA would never go for such a thing, because they don't feel it would work, and for them it wouldn't. I have no sympathy or desire to drop money into corporate coffers, especially this organization which has been screwing me for years, but given the chance to give directly to the artist I am appreciating, it makes a lot more sense.
Of course this brings something else to the point, and is my biggest caveat about the whole deal. THE MIDDLEMAN SHOULD NOT CONTROL THE MARKET.
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which makes offering such a service much more valuable. Instant market. And I'm not talking about bugtraq, something a bit more user friendly, ie. this is your specific problem and these are the words you type in to fix it.
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yea, I leveled 3 times in d2 during our last "outage."
:-)
Worked all night, I did.
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If you didn't buy the cd you have no right to listen to the songs at will- just wait for them to come on the radio.
then ignore 100 years of technical innovation, realize that you are a peon and have no control over your life, understand that your media choices will always be targeted to the lowest common denominator, and support government enforced scarcity and monopoly of infinite products.
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well, let's just say the drug war would be over tomorrow...
if you could trade pot over the internet, it would be.
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this is the official announcement from napster headquarters. Let's hope they fight the good fight.
keep the music flowing.
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think for a moment how Einstein and co. felt around two weeks from now, 55 years ago.
:)
then think about something the romans knew. "It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye."
and then stop thinking for a bit. I dare ya.
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I've notice that refresh seems to work. Its been mainly over the last couple weeks. Everything seems to stall and a reload gets it right quick (lightmode, highest, nested, with -1 banished from sight).
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