from the article If you remove computer manufacturing from the rest of the information economy, Gordon writes, productivity since 1995 "has been abysmal rather than admirable."
important part here "since 1995"
also from the article Nobel laureate and economist Robert Solow, in what The Economist calls "the Solow paradox," noted a few years ago that "you can see the computer age everywhere these days except in the productivity statistics."
important part here "noted a few years ago"
This seems to put net access back in the running for the "recent" uselessness (in a productivity sense), since Solow's studies and the paradox wouldn't include it as a factor, and the other data is within the 'Nets "useful" time period.
One thing. surprisingly, not noted in the article, old Gordo's law. Which I would now take to mean, every 18 months I have to figure out something else to seem to be doing while my computer works twice as fast. Which would actually coincide nicely with the Slow Paradox (misspelled for flavor)
Get MP3Spy and you can listen to people all over the place, normal geeks like you and me who run their own radio station. Check out http:/listnen.to/nazznomad it's a good example. WinAmp is a pretty amazing program, too bad AOL realized that too.
Mainly because my job (processing millions of records and gleaning useful information from them) would have been impossible 10 years ago w/o mulit-million dollar machines and 5 people to run 'em. There's a lot more going on here than crashing windows. Seven years bad luck indeed.
I agree with the "it's the 'Net" posts. It's just so easy to waste time now and look productive. Like right now, my boss is looking at me, seeing me typing and seeming very productive ("He must be working on that new database"), and yet, here's my post. Add in e-mail and the VAST amount of personal correspondence that takes place on it. The fact is we have become much more efficient, but it will never show on the bottom line b/c we know how to "beat" the system. Dang sentient entities messing with statistics again.
The war has begun. This is just the first salvo, though. SDMI is coming and will prove more difficult to control. Why, because it will take a hardware hack to beat, not just stepping around the encryption as this seems to do. Be good consumers and don't bend over and give up your music dollar. MP3 is already seen as a music standard by the population at large, let's keep it that way. Don't let people tell you it is illegal, tell them how copyright takes away yours. Don't sell MP3's (unless you have the rights), but use them to promote sales, think little bits of radio. Fight the machine (or just hack it to something more attractive)
BTW: "unfuck.exe" was an excellent choice. 2 points to the cracker.
Is is going to add this protocal that M$ is "open sourcing" (quotes denote marketing term) ? Does anyone use it? V0.1 isn't, shall we say, reassuring.;)
We have an OS, now it looks like we need an IM'er, and a browser. These are the things people want on their desktop. World Domination won't happen without 'em. The public at large is sick to death of this crap. They need an option.
BTW: AIM's user base number (and Real's) are total crap. Every new copy of Netscape comes with it, download the 'Scrape and you're a "registered user".
Check out bleem!. I almost tried, didn't. I have one real playstation game Final Fantasy VII (why I bought it, dang credit cards), which if you missed it is right up the best of Wizardry and Ultima for Ultimate Roleplaying Adventure game, tons of kick ass CGI too.
do you think it will still be great when the bottom drops out and many 'non' tech's will lose the collective shirts
Welcome to the stock market!
what the OSS movement needs is a solid steady performer to convince the financial types to begin looking seriously at it as an alternative.
I feel sorry for you if financial types are making technical decisions at your company. Maybe you should show them the license price for NT vs. Redhat, and the "guarantees" that come with them. Events like this are just more fuel to the fire. All that's lacking are the apps to get business done. RHAT's IPO shows that Linux really exists and is viable, the apps will come, even with cryptic installations they'll still be useful 'cause you won't have to continually fix them like you do with 'Doze, which I use and curse every day.
and no change in the forseeable furture. HAAHAHAHA, how 'bout the seeable present, wake up and get a clue. Free, open, stable, three words that shouldn't be in the same BOOK as M$ and, well, just get a clue, k?
But it's great for RedHat and OSS in general. You can't buy the kind of publicity that a big IPO generates, plus, as others have mentioned, it lends a certain credibility to the model and gives RHAT a bigger bargaining chip. Not to mention all the hardware makers out there who just *might* be convinced that Linux drivers are a good idea.
then "Open Source" should be applicable to just about anything creative.
Of course it *should* be, unfortunately we decided some time ago as a culture that we needed such things as copywrite, and of course the legions of lawyers to protects those (copy)rights. But, we decided that because the less scrupulous of our brethren would take credit for said art and make cash off it, which we didn't like. Then corporations came along, acted like people, and it all went to shit. Now the big question is whether or not anything new and beautiful can grow from that shit. Let's look to nature for the answer...
Both the code, and the result of compiling it and running it are results of the process, so they're both parts of the art.
But you can't *see* the process. So to the vast majority of people, the art is merely the image, and not the work that went into it. Code is different than traditional art in that it represents the thoughts behind the action. The metaphor breaks down.
The only way that I see open source and art connecting is in the creation of something for the pure enjoyment of doing it, thuse creating something beautiful that can be appreciated. Of course this also breaks down, since most OSS projects comes from scratching an itch, often with the closest available sharp object, if you will.
Are tools art? I see most programs as tools, but what about games? Both programs and art intertwined in a dance of eternal existence, uh, er, pretty pictures and shooting guns.
I seem to remember a little lawsuit that resulted in my prepackaged PCs coming with Windows and a little mostly unmarked (and totally unsupported) disk that said "update to Java VM".
I'll be curious to see how soon the same stuff is pulled against Linux.
I can guarantee it's going on right now. I mean if it works once, wouldn't you want to try it again. FUD/Marketing call it what you will, it's all about influencing the ignorant, not a difficult thing to do in my experience.
I've seen some *suspicious* AC's on our very own/....
He was talking about banning smoking in all public outdoor areas. Do you really agree with this?
I'm sorry I just don't. I agree with limiting smoking in small enclosed areas (although banning smoking in bars is silly, but it still happens), but not outside, and most definitely not at concerts. Especially if that includes outlawing ALL smoking.
I seriously doubt I'll get much support for this, but dammit if I want to smoke outside let me. If you really want to go after this stuff be an environmenalist, go after truck companies, everyone who believe they *need* a car to themselves, companies who *seriously* pollute the air, not just people in a 5 foot radius for 5 minutes. Don't tell me it's for my own good, I know what that good is. If you want to take that route I will certainly have more supporters here, ya'know freedom and all.
I will have a good day, and do have a great number of them left. Staying in good shape and eating right will do that. Smoking (cigs, weed) doesn't help, but at this point I still enjoy it, nothing better after a long hard day to sit back, relax, and reflect.
Not just smoking, how about farting. Man I can't stand it when people fart, so inconsiderate. They think just because I'm outside my gas will float away and not bother anybody. Then I find out they are contributing to the ozone hole as well as skidmarked undies. Damn farters!
(/end sarcastic rant|begin real opinion)
If the smoke bothers you, get YOURSELF a bubble and don't tell me what I can put in my body. Asthma is a sure sign you aren't supposed to make it to the next millenia. Natural selection at work. If you don't believe that, MOVE TO KANSAS!
Re:Its the COMMERCIALS that are most damaging
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Moderate this up. If anything on TV is designed to affect and change the psyche it would have to be the commercials. Before you flame quickly try to remember all the jingles you know. Did you *try* to learn them or were they forced into your subconcious. Who tells you that you aren't cool with a zipper vest? Who tells you how to act to be popular? Who f*cks with your head on a daily basis to get your money?
The trick (the one that most young kids don't know) is to realize what they are trying to do and step above it. Kids figure it our eventually (they are sentient after all), but do a lot better with a coupla' helpful hints from parents or older siblings. Don't count on this being taught in school. I was never formally introduced to it until I was paying $20,000/yr to learn how to do it.
Hmmm, I haven't read the rest of the posts so I don't know if this has already been mentioned so...
I am the typical Jock Geek. I played football from 6th grade through 16th, I hung out with the "cool" kids in h-school, I was in a frat. in college, and I can think of think of nothing more fun than spending 19 hrs sitting in front of a computer exporing, playing, and basically assimilating as much information as possible.
When/. experienced the Hellmouth chronicles I mostly kept my keyboard silent. I felt that my opinion, however valid in my own mind, would not be accepted by the "community" at large. Geeks (and I most definitely consider myself one) are as intolerant to other worldviews as the people we despise. The only way to gain acceptece, again IMHO, is to give it.
My reluctance to share this comes from the tremendous bias I have seen against those who share my experiences. I only offer them now only because of my current state of mind (I've been drinking...)
I've been a/.er since the day I found this haven. Finally I had found people who would understand my cryptic references to Douglas Adams, the Simpsons, Sci-fi, Gibson, Heinlein, and other geek-centric offerings in the media. People who judge only on the magnetic resonances I offer, and not by the physical representation and images representative of my being.
I will close by copying two sentences of religious origin (which is how I was raised but would not die for now)
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." and. "Judge not, lest ye be judged."
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from the article If you remove computer manufacturing from the rest of the information economy, Gordon writes, productivity since 1995 "has been abysmal rather than admirable."
important part here "since 1995"
also from the article Nobel laureate and economist Robert Solow, in what The Economist calls "the Solow paradox," noted a few years ago that "you can see the computer age everywhere these days except in the productivity statistics."
important part here "noted a few years ago"
This seems to put net access back in the running for the "recent" uselessness (in a productivity sense), since Solow's studies and the paradox wouldn't include it as a factor, and the other data is within the 'Nets "useful" time period.
One thing. surprisingly, not noted in the article, old Gordo's law. Which I would now take to mean, every 18 months I have to figure out something else to seem to be doing while my computer works twice as fast. Which would actually coincide nicely with the Slow Paradox (misspelled for flavor)
Get MP3Spy and you can listen to people all over the place, normal geeks like you and me who run their own radio station. Check out http:/listnen.to/nazznomad it's a good example. WinAmp is a pretty amazing program, too bad AOL realized that too.
Mainly because my job (processing millions of records and gleaning useful information from them) would have been impossible 10 years ago w/o mulit-million dollar machines and 5 people to run 'em. There's a lot more going on here than crashing windows. Seven years bad luck indeed.
I agree with the "it's the 'Net" posts. It's just so easy to waste time now and look productive. Like right now, my boss is looking at me, seeing me typing and seeming very productive ("He must be working on that new database"), and yet, here's my post. Add in e-mail and the VAST amount of personal correspondence that takes place on it. The fact is we have become much more efficient, but it will never show on the bottom line b/c we know how to "beat" the system. Dang sentient entities messing with statistics again.
You win the "most in need of a toke" award for the day.
It's called "Geeks in Space" for chrissake, go watch CNNfnBCMSpan if you can't take the silly.
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Smoke up, brother
we've been trained as kids to do this, why should things change now.
BTW: www.m-w.com bookmark it, memorize it, use it when unsure.
It's "rampant", 'Rampent' sounds like some pagan absolution ritual
On topic opinion: Intel is in business to make money. You figure the rest out.
his comment to kids about making it into the Hall of Fame...
:(
"Dont gamble, do drugs, just like LT"
(hey, I though off-topic posts were cool today
The war has begun. This is just the first salvo, though. SDMI is coming and will prove more difficult to control. Why, because it will take a hardware hack to beat, not just stepping around the encryption as this seems to do. Be good consumers and don't bend over and give up your music dollar. MP3 is already seen as a music standard by the population at large, let's keep it that way. Don't let people tell you it is illegal, tell them how copyright takes away yours. Don't sell MP3's (unless you have the rights), but use them to promote sales, think little bits of radio. Fight the machine (or just hack it to something more attractive)
BTW: "unfuck.exe" was an excellent choice. 2 points to the cracker.
Is is going to add this protocal that M$ is "open sourcing" (quotes denote marketing term) ? Does anyone use it? V0.1 isn't, shall we say, reassuring.;)
Is there one? Anybody working on it? URLS?
We have an OS, now it looks like we need an IM'er, and a browser. These are the things people want on their desktop. World Domination won't happen without 'em. The public at large is sick to death of this crap. They need an option.
BTW: AIM's user base number (and Real's) are total crap. Every new copy of Netscape comes with it, download the 'Scrape and you're a "registered user".
um, script? I believe it was something along the lines of "your are in the forest, something is after you, it is scary. ACTION!"
Check out bleem!. I almost tried, didn't. I have one real playstation game Final Fantasy VII (why I bought it, dang credit cards), which if you missed it is right up the best of Wizardry and Ultima for Ultimate Roleplaying Adventure game, tons of kick ass CGI too.
do you think it will still be great when the bottom drops out and many 'non' tech's will lose the collective shirts
Welcome to the stock market!
what the OSS movement needs is a solid steady performer to convince the financial types to begin looking seriously at it as an alternative.
I feel sorry for you if financial types are making technical decisions at your company. Maybe you should show them the license price for NT vs. Redhat, and the "guarantees" that come with them.
Events like this are just more fuel to the fire. All that's lacking are the apps to get business done. RHAT's IPO shows that Linux really exists and is viable, the apps will come, even with cryptic installations they'll still be useful 'cause you won't have to continually fix them like you do with 'Doze, which I use and curse every day.
and no change in the forseeable furture.
HAAHAHAHA, how 'bout the seeable present, wake up and get a clue. Free, open, stable, three words that shouldn't be in the same BOOK as M$ and, well, just get a clue, k?
But it's great for RedHat and OSS in general. You can't buy the kind of publicity that a big IPO generates, plus, as others have mentioned, it lends a certain credibility to the model and gives RHAT a bigger bargaining chip. Not to mention all the hardware makers out there who just *might* be convinced that Linux drivers are a good idea.
then "Open Source" should be applicable to just about anything creative.
Of course it *should* be, unfortunately we decided some time ago as a culture that we needed such things as copywrite, and of course the legions of lawyers to protects those (copy)rights. But, we decided that because the less scrupulous of our brethren would take credit for said art and make cash off it, which we didn't like. Then corporations came along, acted like people, and it all went to shit. Now the big question is whether or not anything new and beautiful can grow from that shit. Let's look to nature for the answer...
Both the code, and the result of compiling it and running it are results of the process, so they're both parts of the art.
But you can't *see* the process. So to the vast majority of people, the art is merely the image, and not the work that went into it. Code is different than traditional art in that it represents the thoughts behind the action. The metaphor breaks down.
The only way that I see open source and art connecting is in the creation of something for the pure enjoyment of doing it, thuse creating something beautiful that can be appreciated. Of course this also breaks down, since most OSS projects comes from scratching an itch, often with the closest available sharp object, if you will.
Are tools art? I see most programs as tools, but what about games? Both programs and art intertwined in a dance of eternal existence, uh, er, pretty pictures and shooting guns.
Would that include Microsoft copying java?
I seem to remember a little lawsuit that resulted in my prepackaged PCs coming with Windows and a little mostly unmarked (and totally unsupported) disk that said "update to Java VM".
Get back to work, Bill might be watching.
moderate the above post up, just for me
;-)
I'll be curious to see how soon the same stuff is pulled against Linux.
/....
I can guarantee it's going on right now. I mean if it works once, wouldn't you want to try it again. FUD/Marketing call it what you will, it's all about influencing the ignorant, not a difficult thing to do in my experience.
I've seen some *suspicious* AC's on our very own
He was talking about banning smoking in all public outdoor areas. Do you really agree with this?
I'm sorry I just don't. I agree with limiting smoking in small enclosed areas (although banning smoking in bars is silly, but it still happens), but not outside, and most definitely not at concerts. Especially if that includes outlawing ALL smoking.
I seriously doubt I'll get much support for this, but dammit if I want to smoke outside let me. If you really want to go after this stuff be an environmenalist, go after truck companies, everyone who believe they *need* a car to themselves, companies who *seriously* pollute the air, not just people in a 5 foot radius for 5 minutes. Don't tell me it's for my own good, I know what that good is. If you want to take that route I will certainly have more supporters here, ya'know freedom and all.
I will have a good day, and do have a great number of them left. Staying in good shape and eating right will do that. Smoking (cigs, weed) doesn't help, but at this point I still enjoy it, nothing better after a long hard day to sit back, relax, and reflect.
Wah
(p.s. Sorry about your wife, for what it's worth)
Not just smoking, how about farting. Man I can't stand it when people fart, so inconsiderate. They think just because I'm outside my gas will float away and not bother anybody. Then I find out they are contributing to the ozone hole as well as skidmarked undies. Damn farters!
(/end sarcastic rant|begin real opinion)
If the smoke bothers you, get YOURSELF a bubble and don't tell me what I can put in my body. Asthma is a sure sign you aren't supposed to make it to the next millenia. Natural selection at work. If you don't believe that, MOVE TO KANSAS!
"Keyboard Error. Press F1 to continue"
the sad thing is how often this works...
Moderate this up. If anything on TV is designed to affect and change the psyche it would have to be the commercials. Before you flame quickly try to remember all the jingles you know. Did you *try* to learn them or were they forced into your subconcious. Who tells you that you aren't cool with a zipper vest? Who tells you how to act to be popular? Who f*cks with your head on a daily basis to get your money?
The trick (the one that most young kids don't know) is to realize what they are trying to do and step above it. Kids figure it our eventually (they are sentient after all), but do a lot better with a coupla' helpful hints from parents or older siblings. Don't count on this being taught in school. I was never formally introduced to it until I was paying $20,000/yr to learn how to do it.
That's where the next one should be. I you don't know why, then you don't know Why.
just BYOB!
Hmmm, I haven't read the rest of the posts so I don't know if this has already been mentioned so...
/. experienced the Hellmouth chronicles I mostly kept my keyboard silent. I felt that my opinion, however valid in my own mind, would not be accepted by the "community" at large. Geeks (and I most definitely consider myself one) are as intolerant to other worldviews as the people we despise. The only way to gain acceptece, again IMHO, is to give it.
/.er since the day I found this haven. Finally I had found people who would understand my cryptic references to Douglas Adams, the Simpsons, Sci-fi, Gibson, Heinlein, and other geek-centric offerings in the media. People who judge only on the magnetic resonances I offer, and not by the physical representation and images representative of my being.
I am the typical Jock Geek. I played football from 6th grade through 16th, I hung out with the "cool" kids in h-school, I was in a frat. in college, and I can think of think of nothing more fun than spending 19 hrs sitting in front of a computer exporing, playing, and basically assimilating as much information as possible.
When
My reluctance to share this comes from the tremendous bias I have seen against those who share my experiences. I only offer them now only because of my current state of mind (I've been drinking...)
I've been a
I will close by copying two sentences of religious origin (which is how I was raised but would not die for now)
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
and.
"Judge not, lest ye be judged."
Thank you and goodnight.
oh wait, you said "if"
(a joke is just a toke with a j)