If you saved that money that you've been giving to the government for all of the years that you have been working you would have so much more to retire on than having to live off of government cheese for the golden years of your life.
we value making sure the under-served (the people who corporations lose money serving) are still served
First, yes you are correct. I am a Libertarian. How do you justify though the violation of the rights of the people that now are supporting those under-served
I do understand that you have stated that you are a socialist. And I will attempt to sway you away from your value system.
As a Libertarian I want you to believe what you wish, unlike Socialism which forces choices onto people. Those who are now taxed serving your value system have now been striped of their rights. You have to understand that whenever you attempt to give someone something else others are hurt by that action.
Am I cold and heart-less about those who are under-served, a little bit, I'm greedy. So what to do about them?
If the populus of our nation wasn't so harshly taxed and Americans had more dispolsable income donations to non-profit organizations would drastically increase (it would, people in general do like to do good, they just don't like being forced to do so). With a private non-profit which is smaller and more efficent than any government can hope to be those resources are distributed with a greater effect than it would be through Socialist type systems like Social Security.
Study Economics. The wonderful quality that money has is power. Your argument against mine above one would be these non-profits would become greedy and steal money from those donating. So be it, those with the money have the power and will give somewhere else that will do what the donators wish. The world can be nice and serve all without it being forced upon you.
Welcome to the world of a market economy... If it isn't profitable WHY DO IT?!?!?!?...
And if they want it they can either move (b/c in fact it probably isn't profitable for them to get power/water/sewer w/out the helping hand of the government (at OUR expense mind you))
My gosh... These things are just simply insane to me..
This is simple economics....
There is a market for DSL, wireless, and Cable. The government does not need to stick their foot into this market to make it work. As Adam Smith said, the 'invisible hand' will give these people their last mile connectivity.
By forcing them to move into market that is not profitable you are simply going to increase the price so that the people that you are trying to help aren't going to be able to afford it. (Not to mention the fact that everyone is at a net loss because of the added tax)
It IS NOT, repeat IS NOT governments job to force the economy into any position what so ever. If a company can figure out how to make these connections profitable they will, thanks to the 'invisible hand', and the company wins, the consumer wins, the economy wins, and it was all done without a negative effect. So how simple that works.
You are in a building that you don't own..
You are sitting in a chair that you don't own
You are using a computer that you don't own
You are using a network that you don't own
You are using bandwidth that you don't own
Why do you have any expectation of privacy?
It's simply a given.... If I am talking on my cell phone in the middle of the IT department I have no expectation of privacy...
If I am 'yelling' my conversations over the network why do I have expectation of privacy...
If I want to chat personally or sell company secrets I will do it at my home where I DO have privacy... But, not at work
Yes but, I would trust them before an entire distributed community... Also if I were to store such neato new plans on a distrobuted system then I have lost my exclusive rights to it by distributing it.... Simple as that... Left with no legal recourse again
Well... I'm writing this while extremely intoxicated.... So Mod me down if wrong
Wouldn't writing Kernel code in a higher level language put it in more of a position to be "used in a manner not intended"
The higher up the language scale you go you get more and more vauge with your literal meanings of code...
By adding more and more layers you open yourself up to more and more exploits at the Kernel level... So why re-invent the wheel.... It works... It works well.... So why change...
Please Moderators, if you are going to MOD this parent up... Please do so as FUNNY, not Informative, for the love of God. (ummm... wait... refer to my sig..)
Ya Know... Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles actually did well... But, that was marketed at an age group were it didn't really matter what was on the screen... As long as the children screamed for them the parents took them there...
This couldn't work unless the want to bring Z down to the level of a 10 year old.... Which I'm sure would result in some-one attempting to fire-bomb a Fox Studio.
I'm sorry... If I were mod'ing I woulda got ya up... I got + 4 right know for a shitty "Funny" post... and you post in a very informed and intellectual manner and you've been modded down to 0....
My personal sorry.... For whats it's worth... I woulda modded you up... Just let your Karma Suffer for now...
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Ok.. I've attemped to defend my position for over 40 minutes now and I've been bailing out the Titanic with a teaspoon..
I've made arguments against so many socialist in that last 40 minutes you've exhausted me...
If you disagree with me please read through my thread and read some of my responses...
If you still don't agree with me and wish to learn more on my position here is a list of reading materials if you are intrested.
Libertarian Party
The Mises Institute for Libertarian and Classical Economic Studies
Free-Market Network (Libertarianism & Economics)
A Little Bit Crazy Libertarian Lew Rockwell
Do the math though...
If you saved that money that you've been giving to the government for all of the years that you have been working you would have so much more to retire on than having to live off of government cheese for the golden years of your life.
we value making sure the under-served (the people who corporations lose money serving) are still served
First, yes you are correct. I am a Libertarian. How do you justify though the violation of the rights of the people that now are supporting those under-served
I do understand that you have stated that you are a socialist. And I will attempt to sway you away from your value system.
As a Libertarian I want you to believe what you wish, unlike Socialism which forces choices onto people. Those who are now taxed serving your value system have now been striped of their rights. You have to understand that whenever you attempt to give someone something else others are hurt by that action.
Am I cold and heart-less about those who are under-served, a little bit, I'm greedy. So what to do about them?
If the populus of our nation wasn't so harshly taxed and Americans had more dispolsable income donations to non-profit organizations would drastically increase (it would, people in general do like to do good, they just don't like being forced to do so). With a private non-profit which is smaller and more efficent than any government can hope to be those resources are distributed with a greater effect than it would be through Socialist type systems like Social Security.
Study Economics. The wonderful quality that money has is power. Your argument against mine above one would be these non-profits would become greedy and steal money from those donating. So be it, those with the money have the power and will give somewhere else that will do what the donators wish. The world can be nice and serve all without it being forced upon you.
But, then again... Societal rights also give no person a specific right to something more than someone else...
No matter which way you argue it, you cannot grant someone a right by stepping on someone else....
Your gonna lose this argument with me, I promise.
The grow food because it is profitable. This does not give them the right to internet access...
Just like it doesn't give them any other specific right. Why does your job dictate your privledges..
You having your job doesn't give you any particular rights does it?
Hell Yes..
A Proud Card-Carrying-Member Libertarian...
Read my above post for an economic point-of-view... I forgot about the constitutional issue..
Welcome to the world of a market economy... If it isn't profitable WHY DO IT?!?!?!?...
And if they want it they can either move (b/c in fact it probably isn't profitable for them to get power/water/sewer w/out the helping hand of the government (at OUR expense mind you))
Or they can opt-for a Wi-Fi system
My gosh... These things are just simply insane to me..
This is simple economics....
There is a market for DSL, wireless, and Cable. The government does not need to stick their foot into this market to make it work. As Adam Smith said, the 'invisible hand' will give these people their last mile connectivity.
By forcing them to move into market that is not profitable you are simply going to increase the price so that the people that you are trying to help aren't going to be able to afford it. (Not to mention the fact that everyone is at a net loss because of the added tax)
It IS NOT, repeat IS NOT governments job to force the economy into any position what so ever. If a company can figure out how to make these connections profitable they will, thanks to the 'invisible hand', and the company wins, the consumer wins, the economy wins, and it was all done without a negative effect. So how simple that works.
Welcome to the world of common sense and Austrian/Mises Economics
Yes
8ms Avg round trip time!!...
God's got more latency than I thought
Downside
I don't even believe a Beuowolf cluster of these could survive serving streaming media to
Privacy at the work place...
You are in a building that you don't own..
You are sitting in a chair that you don't own
You are using a computer that you don't own
You are using a network that you don't own
You are using bandwidth that you don't own
Why do you have any expectation of privacy?
It's simply a given.... If I am talking on my cell phone in the middle of the IT department I have no expectation of privacy...
If I am 'yelling' my conversations over the network why do I have expectation of privacy...
If I want to chat personally or sell company secrets I will do it at my home where I DO have privacy... But, not at work
Yes but, I would trust them before an entire distributed community... Also if I were to store such neato new plans on a distrobuted system then I have lost my exclusive rights to it by distributing it.... Simple as that... Left with no legal recourse again
For those curious... A photo of the country of Sea Land...
http://www.sealandgov.org/images/sealand_sm.jpg
We already have systems such as SourceForge to handle programs and other CVS systems exist...
My data... public?
I don't think so... I'll buy another 100gig drive before sending it off over the net to a public storage facility..
If I wanted secure off-site storage, I would turn to Sea Land
20 Miles from anywhere and it doesn't respect any court of law in the world... So thats what I call secure (Even from the DMCA).
Mod This up as funny... Call the phone number...
CNN is now wondering why...
After publishing a story on DOS attacks it is receiving a DOS attack on the story about DOS attacks...
Well... I'm writing this while extremely intoxicated.... So Mod me down if wrong
Wouldn't writing Kernel code in a higher level language put it in more of a position to be "used in a manner not intended"
The higher up the language scale you go you get more and more vauge with your literal meanings of code...
By adding more and more layers you open yourself up to more and more exploits at the Kernel level... So why re-invent the wheel.... It works... It works well.... So why change...
82% of Americans believe that statistics can prove anything
Look at the demo graphics for the show...
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Cartoon --> Movie --> Action Figures --> Video Game (Quite entertaining quite frankly) --> Pop Culture --> Ebay
Please Moderators, if you are going to MOD this parent up... Please do so as FUNNY, not Informative, for the love of God.
(ummm... wait... refer to my sig..)
Ya Know... Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles actually did well...
But, that was marketed at an age group were it didn't really matter what was on the screen... As long as the children screamed for them the parents took them there...
This couldn't work unless the want to bring Z down to the level of a 10 year old.... Which I'm sure would result in some-one attempting to fire-bomb a Fox Studio.
I'm sorry... If I were mod'ing I woulda got ya up... I got + 4 right know for a shitty "Funny" post... and you post in a very informed and intellectual manner and you've been modded down to 0....
My personal sorry.... For whats it's worth... I woulda modded you up... Just let your Karma Suffer for now...