Somehow I don't thing we're far enough along to either mine space rocks or to prove a profit from space. Remember, for private companies to want to duke it out over something, there has to be some possibility of profit (despite what the 90's showed us).
OK, so even if we assume that my GIF to JPEG analogy was bad, there are still reasons to keep multiple standards.
Is there a good reason why we *shouldn't* have them both. (to save disk space on the binaries?:) )
For instance, you might use a Huffman-based encoding for files from a word processor, but an Arithmetic-based encoding scheme for images. (Both loss-less). I just think that it's silly to insist everyone use bzip2 all the time when it's not always the best for the job.
Ah, but bzip2 doesn't always compress things better. That's the whole thing with encoding for compression: some work better than others. (Think why some images are GIF, some are JPEG. There is cause for use of gzip still, I've had it work better than bzip2 in the last week.
This isn't another of those subscribe or shut up situations. The point is not whether or not to subscribe (which I think is a shitty way of getting support), but whether or not StarOffice is necessary inclusion.
If it's just a fringe benefit... well, great.
If Mandrake feels that for its distro to be worthwhile it must include SO, that's wrong. Distro's are NOT supposed to have everything in them.
Of course, I'm a Slackware user, where the bloated-full-of-unstable-crap-you-don't-need philosophy DOESN'T work.
Indeed. The question is important to ask: why support StarOffice? If you're an open source firm, and your revenue base is fragile, why would you start including other people's software which costs? If peple want StarOffice, let them go get it. Mandrake can include OpenOffice, KOffice, or many different individual products/projects such as AbiWord. There is no reason to have StarOffice in the distro.
I disagree. Of course, with e-mail there are multiple copies, archives, records of it being sent, etc. Personally, however, you can make decisions to keep yourself safe: DO NOT BE STUPID.
Besides, that, though, I delete my e-mail that's over 6 months old every month, and assume that if any info were that important it would've been copied.
I would also argue that e-mail is not *more* dangerous. Who was to say that an employee didn't make a secret photocopy of a paper memo and sneak it out of HQ?
Same old problem... same answers
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I don't really find this to be a troll. While obviously written too fast and with too many bangs, it presents a valid point. Afterall, either the/. editors are blatantly biased or they have a great sense of humor which this guy is simply missing.
This is great. Advertising may be annoying, but only when it's poorly done. I look forward to seeing this and learning more about well done ads. Besides, since AdCritic went away it's hard to get as much fun out of the commercials.
Not really. Remember here that I am talking about general consumers. You and I can easily use Linux, which is a better desktop alternative, but most people are afraid of it, while they are not afraid of Mac.
Unless, of course, you're arguing Windows is better, in which case I couldn't agree...
Given that the Macintosh and is OS have been the most easy to use and reliable system in the PC world I think that JonKatz is a little off in claiming that Apple doesn't understand this. Jobs is trying to make some devices that technophiles who read sites like this one and people who can't understand the difference between the WWW and the Internet can both enjoy.
Cool PC's and laptop draw additional users. But, it's not all about that at Apple. They're trying to put together the easiest to use and most powerful system that they can (at the same time). That's the hard part. The growth of Mac seems inevitable as it becomes as BSD box with the coolest hardware and the most capabilities.
It is not understanding PC users that brings Gates to the top. It is the fact that he uses monopolistic powers and bully tactics to force people and competitors to use his sytems. Maybe Steve Jobs just isn't that mean.
P.S. I'm not a Mac user... but, I may be one soon.
there's nothing deep in this comment, but I just want to mention how awesome this collection is. I was going to be thoroughly impressed with an archive back to 1990. Thank you, Google. Man, I wasn't even born when this archive started.
It's great to trace this stuff. Now people can write their disserations with this as a superb trail of thoughts and ideas.
While I feel that Linux is an excellent OS and can be very useful, there are reasons for all sorts of things. Software is only available on this OS or that OS. You can only do what you really want to on this OS or that OS. Not only is using only one system difficult because the aforementioned, but it's poor security. So, if security is a top concern of execs, then using multiple types of systems should be, too
Let's not forget the well-made point that it is vital for execs to prove the worth of their solutions, before changing. Hopefully Linux will creep into the corporate world in its best uses. There will probably always be reasons to use Windows.
Besides, slow adoption is better than no adoption:)
The federal government is prone to change, but at least the states will carry on. If all the states get together and kick Microsoft's ass then what the fed do doesn't matter.
I don't think the name matters. What if the New York Times, slashdot, the LA Times, CNET or something similar got hacked? How would you respond to that?
The problem is that people still trust everything they read, despite what all of our mothers told us.
Why would it be that other industries help the government feel that they should or should not prosecute. They're not the only ones who have been harmed, therefore they don't have the right to request the government not prosecute.
Microsoft has clearly broken a law (as determined by the courts). Therefore, the governments duty to its tax-paying citizens is to determine the best rememdy and enact it. Otherwise, the government is not functioning properly.
It's pretty simple. Remember that the whole world isn't computer literate. We may be please to use version 0.9.3, or even version 0.4. The average user? The users whose massive support makes certain projects fundable and viable? They want version 1.0. 1.0 says, "Hey, this is stable, it won't kill, maim or cause your machine to implode." That's what the rest of the world is looking for. Keep them in mind. 1.0 is a major milestone. While 0.9.3 may be just fine, it takes 1.0 to make it not scary.
Not only does this ring rightfully true, but can we look at what RMS is doing? His pressure to control and direct is just as egotistical as the evil empire's. Not that I want to attract the flames of everyone; GNU is good stuff. It's just the GPL is too restrictive. He'll drive people away from it, cheaping his project (and therefore his influence) and causing a million and one open source (free/whatever) licenses. Cool off and be humble. Thanks to all the developers who do all the real work and don't get all the great press.
Well, they can change ads on your machine if they want to. Does that mean you'll click them anymore than you currently do? Yeah, right. I click banner ads on sites I love (read/.) because that's good for business. I sure as hell don't click them on annoying sites. Advertisers need to learn about users, not just bombard them. If we don't know where ads come from, we can't trust anything.
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Somehow I don't thing we're far enough along to either mine space rocks or to prove a profit from space. Remember, for private companies to want to duke it out over something, there has to be some possibility of profit (despite what the 90's showed us).
OK, so even if we assume that my GIF to JPEG analogy was bad, there are still reasons to keep multiple standards.
:) )
Is there a good reason why we *shouldn't* have them both. (to save disk space on the binaries?
For instance, you might use a Huffman-based encoding for files from a word processor, but an Arithmetic-based encoding scheme for images. (Both loss-less). I just think that it's silly to insist everyone use bzip2 all the time when it's not always the best for the job.
Choice is good.
:)
Ah, but bzip2 doesn't always compress things better. That's the whole thing with encoding for compression: some work better than others. (Think why some images are GIF, some are JPEG. There is cause for use of gzip still, I've had it work better than bzip2 in the last week.
This isn't another of those subscribe or shut up situations. The point is not whether or not to subscribe (which I think is a shitty way of getting support), but whether or not StarOffice is necessary inclusion.
... well, great.
If it's just a fringe benefit
If Mandrake feels that for its distro to be worthwhile it must include SO, that's wrong. Distro's are NOT supposed to have everything in them.
Of course, I'm a Slackware user, where the bloated-full-of-unstable-crap-you-don't-need philosophy DOESN'T work.
Indeed. The question is important to ask: why support StarOffice? If you're an open source firm, and your revenue base is fragile, why would you start including other people's software which costs? If peple want StarOffice, let them go get it. Mandrake can include OpenOffice, KOffice, or many different individual products/projects such as AbiWord. There is no reason to have StarOffice in the distro.
I disagree. Of course, with e-mail there are multiple copies, archives, records of it being sent, etc. Personally, however, you can make decisions to keep yourself safe: DO NOT BE STUPID.
Besides, that, though, I delete my e-mail that's over 6 months old every month, and assume that if any info were that important it would've been copied.
I would also argue that e-mail is not *more* dangerous. Who was to say that an employee didn't make a secret photocopy of a paper memo and sneak it out of HQ?
Same old problem... same answers
I don't really find this to be a troll. While obviously written too fast and with too many bangs, it presents a valid point. Afterall, either the /. editors are blatantly biased or they have a great sense of humor which this guy is simply missing.
I opt for the latter.
I concur. It's pretty bad. Maybe I'll start subscribing to Slashdot when they build a spellchecker into slashcode :)
This is great. Advertising may be annoying, but only when it's poorly done. I look forward to seeing this and learning more about well done ads. Besides, since AdCritic went away it's hard to get as much fun out of the commercials.
Not really. Remember here that I am talking about general consumers. You and I can easily use Linux, which is a better desktop alternative, but most people are afraid of it, while they are not afraid of Mac.
...
Unless, of course, you're arguing Windows is better, in which case I couldn't agree
Given that the Macintosh and is OS have been the most easy to use and reliable system in the PC world I think that JonKatz is a little off in claiming that Apple doesn't understand this. Jobs is trying to make some devices that technophiles who read sites like this one and people who can't understand the difference between the WWW and the Internet can both enjoy.
Cool PC's and laptop draw additional users. But, it's not all about that at Apple. They're trying to put together the easiest to use and most powerful system that they can (at the same time). That's the hard part. The growth of Mac seems inevitable as it becomes as BSD box with the coolest hardware and the most capabilities.
It is not understanding PC users that brings Gates to the top. It is the fact that he uses monopolistic powers and bully tactics to force people and competitors to use his sytems. Maybe Steve Jobs just isn't that mean.
P.S. I'm not a Mac user... but, I may be one soon.
I love my MBNA LinuxFund card. Not only do I support without effort, but it is sure cool to have Tux on your credit card.
there's nothing deep in this comment, but I just want to mention how awesome this collection is. I was going to be thoroughly impressed with an archive back to 1990. Thank you, Google. Man, I wasn't even born when this archive started.
It's great to trace this stuff. Now people can write their disserations with this as a superb trail of thoughts and ideas.
even better, you could lookup the hostname with a command like "host" or "dig" or "nslookup" :)
Keeping everyone slightly more efficient...
While I feel that Linux is an excellent OS and can be very useful, there are reasons for all sorts of things. Software is only available on this OS or that OS. You can only do what you really want to on this OS or that OS. Not only is using only one system difficult because the aforementioned, but it's poor security. So, if security is a top concern of execs, then using multiple types of systems should be, too
:)
Let's not forget the well-made point that it is vital for execs to prove the worth of their solutions, before changing. Hopefully Linux will creep into the corporate world in its best uses. There will probably always be reasons to use Windows.
Besides, slow adoption is better than no adoption
The federal government is prone to change, but at least the states will carry on. If all the states get together and kick Microsoft's ass then what the fed do doesn't matter.
Thank goodness for the union.
I'm young, I want to learn, where do I sign up?
Seriously, this sounds like an excellent idea. But, who runs it, where's the money from and how do we follow any progress?
I don't think the name matters. What if the New York Times, slashdot, the LA Times, CNET or something similar got hacked? How would you respond to that?
The problem is that people still trust everything they read, despite what all of our mothers told us.
Why would it be that other industries help the government feel that they should or should not prosecute. They're not the only ones who have been harmed, therefore they don't have the right to request the government not prosecute.
Microsoft has clearly broken a law (as determined by the courts). Therefore, the governments duty to its tax-paying citizens is to determine the best rememdy and enact it. Otherwise, the government is not functioning properly.
It's pretty simple. Remember that the whole world isn't computer literate. We may be please to use version 0.9.3, or even version 0.4. The average user? The users whose massive support makes certain projects fundable and viable? They want version 1.0. 1.0 says, "Hey, this is stable, it won't kill, maim or cause your machine to implode." That's what the rest of the world is looking for. Keep them in mind. 1.0 is a major milestone. While 0.9.3 may be just fine, it takes 1.0 to make it not scary.
Not only does this ring rightfully true, but can we look at what RMS is doing? His pressure to control and direct is just as egotistical as the evil empire's. Not that I want to attract the flames of everyone; GNU is good stuff. It's just the GPL is too restrictive. He'll drive people away from it, cheaping his project (and therefore his influence) and causing a million and one open source (free/whatever) licenses. Cool off and be humble. Thanks to all the developers who do all the real work and don't get all the great press.
Well, they can change ads on your machine if they want to. Does that mean you'll click them anymore than you currently do? Yeah, right. I click banner ads on sites I love (read /.) because that's good for business. I sure as hell don't click them on annoying sites. Advertisers need to learn about users, not just bombard them. If we don't know where ads come from, we can't trust anything.
The real question is whether this is any better to use than OpenLinux, which went downhill faster than gravity should allow.