I personally HATE trying to get a full album off kazaa and would rather go buy it (though I also HATE supporting the recording studios, so I end up with no albums:))
I agree. I try to find alblums used, but I hate spending time rummaging through a used CD bin. I just end up not buy cds at all now or just snake them from my GF who doesn't hold the strong views against the RIAA that I do;)
installing Red Hat Linux on a server or a workstation is quick and will only need a small tweaking, while the same is far from truth on Windows
Look, I use and like linux like the best slashbotter, but lets be real. Either OS you end up using in a corporate environment is going need a lot of time for tweaking and customizing. I wouldn't let a virgin Windows or Redhat install just rollout to an entire enterprise.
If French Fries= Freedom Fries and French Toast = Freedom Toast I want to leave the US and go live in Freedom
You are free to leave the US anytime you want to. Now, will you find more freedom somewhere else than what you have here? I don't know the answer to that.
You have a point. Any extra software I install will be left up to me to keep up to date. This is how it works with any system though, and unless we want to allow a pretty intrusive system scan by some 3rd party it is probably how it is going to continue to work.
With that said the RH9 system I am using installs with a pretty complete set of tools that it continues to keep up to date for you.
No, you don't always have to reboot, and they don't release a patch every other day.
It just made me reboot my workstation after applying these patches. Each of which was a critical apply right now patch. The vba patch per se may not make you reboot, but the majority of MS patches do require a reboot. The MS fix for most OS issues is simply to reboot. Are you aware that IIS only reads the system enviroment variables once at system startup? Yep, add something to the path that you want IIS to access and you have to reboot. No amount of stopping and starting IIS will fix it. How can anyone run an enterprise on a system like that?
10 minutes to reboot is a hassle, especially when you're dumb admin doesn't schedule it at midnight or on a non-working day.
10 minutes of reboot is a huge hassle when the system(s) in question run a 24/7 operation. I would love to wait and apply a "critical" patch on a holiday, but waiting for a holiday is no longer an option with MS stuff. The problem is that I really can't wait for the scheduled reboots anymore b/c if I wait to apply a critical patch and during that time it gets exploited it becomes my fault.
Heck, just in the past year I administered an old IBM mainframe and network that updated bank accounts and ATMs for the greater area.
I don't even want to bother reinstalling 9 because I know I'll get a HUGE list...
The list is shorter than the XP patch needed on a fresh install. Additionally the RHAT list updates all the software on your system whereas MS only updates the MS things you got going.
The other problem with MS releasing a new patch every other day is that you always have to reboot. Why in the hell do I need to reboot to fix a vba scripting error? The only time I ever need to reboot my linux boxes is when a kernel security patch comes out.
From your posts it is clear that you have never even seen the inside of an enterprise. Where servers are used 24/7 and rebooting at the whim of MS is just unacceptable. We used to be able to schedule a time to reboot, but now with windows exploits coming out at such a high rate we have been trying to patch and reboot ASAP. Rebooting == lost productivity == lost profit.
So tell me again how people who push linux are just linux fanboys.
I think any powerusers of MS Office are going to find OO lacking(probably rightfully so). I think the point is that OO is a perfectly capable office product for a home user or small business*. If MS continues to tighten their license noose I believe we will see more and more people switch.
*I would have also said students, but MS is basically giving away their software now to college students. MS gave my rather small school a grant so that I can walk down to the CS lab and get XP, VS, and Office for personal use free of charge.
Actually I just tested it on a Win2k laptop I have here and it does ask once per login. Since I log out of my box everyday it does appear to be asking me everytime. So, I was wrong in my initial claim of it asking everything, but it does ask more than once(at least in Win2k).
So hit the top link, All Files and do it.
That is still an extra click I must do. Why not take me right to a search box that already has focus so I don't have to go back to the mouse?
I'm always amazed at people who can hack up X config scripts yet are stumped by the simplest Windows options.
I gave up hacking X scripts awhile back. RH 9 just worked out of the box and I haven't done any real hacking yet. I want my OS just to work so I don't have to think about it. I don't need it getting in my way everytime I need to do something.
Apparently, they're working on a completely new, photorealistic interface called Aero that, coupled with the hardware-accelerated desktop, is going to blow people away.
I like eye-candy like the best of them. At the end of the day though, if it doesn't help me complete my job any faster or even worse slows me down then I don't want any part of it. It is funny that the tech people I talk to(even the pro MS ones) say frequently that they plan to stick with Win2k indefinitely. If all MS has is some new game like interface they are going to be hard pressed to sell it to the corps.
My install of win2k at work could be borked, but it does ask me everytime I go into a system folder. Maybe windows just knows that I really shouldn't be in there:p
BTW, I don't think it started warning you until Win2k+.
Windows alone has many, many times the number of lines of code that Red hat 9 has.
Do you have any numbers on this? IIRC, Redhat 9.0 is 3 nearly full disks of binaries whereas I have a single dev disk at work with win2k(all versions)/win98(all versions)/win95(all versions).
It's not that I don't believe you, it's just when I statements like the one above thrown around like a fact I like to see some numbers behind it.
People always play this card without citing a single example in XP. Can you?
In Win2k and I believe XP why does it make me do a extra click everytime I go into one of the system folders? I know I want to be in there or else I wouldn't have gone to the folder. I could understand it warning me once, but every single time I enter the folder. I'm sure your going to say there is a registry hack out there to change this behavior, but I shouldn't have to be hacking the registry to put some sane behavior into my OS.
Another example is the XP search. When I go to do a search it makes me select some kind of search when all I want is to type a search string and go.
It is all these extra clicks in Win2k and now XP that bug the hell out of me. From the screenshots of longhorn I doubt I will be able to get any windows dev done w/o jumping through hoops just to open a file.
Just to keep a bit on topic, let me give you my take on the delay. I think that MS is feeling the corporate backlash of forcing corps to upgrade, and not have the corps feel as though they got anything out of the money they spent. Many CTOs are sitting around wondering what XP gives them on a corp desktop that Win2k doesn't(I'm actually wondering too:) . The magazine and TV ads have all pointed to a more secure system, but we have seen how that panned out. So, in closing I think MS is now waiting for (or trying to find) a new "killer" tech to put into Longhorn so that there will be a clear reason to upgrade.
I do find it ironic that hardly ANY open source development gets done by Indian programmers though...
Curious you should mention this. It is possible that it is just the firms I have dealt with, but it seems that very little innovation happens in these Indian code shops. You hand them a spec and it is coded too. If the spec is flawed they don't want to help you work through the flaws. Instead they code the flawed spec and question you when you ask why you weren't informed about the problems.
This ties in to the numerous complaints heard from support call centers that have been moved to India. The support people follow the scripts(aka specs) given to them, and any deviation is met with little self thought or motivation to solve the problem.
Now, I'm not anti Indian or anything of the sort. Maybe companies are just getting what they payed for out of a 5k-10k/year worker. Perhaps the cultural difference is the problem in the above situations.
I agree with you on the new Redhat 9 setup. The consistent desktop that just seems to work is something redhat has about gotten right in 9.0.
I don't need or want 20 different programs to do one thing. Let the distro I choose make the initial choice for me and if I don't like I can change it after the fact. If the distro does make a choice though they can test a single app much more than they can test 20, which leads to a a easier desktop experience.
I agree with the parent, but want to add that you should never say "no." Every other person in the company uses your services and when someone wants a rush job or thier project to take priority, make them go clear it with the person who is going to get bumped.
Unless your the CIO you really don't ever need to make a decision on what project gets worked on first. Let management bicker about it then come to when they have set a priority list. Of course you need to give reasonable estimates and input on any critical path tech issues, but management should make the final decision for you to execute on.
The last thing you want to do is start making operational decisions by setting your own priority list. The operational people won't take to this too keenly when their project doesn't get completed when they thought it would.
Heh, even better is this one class I took and had to buy some book that I had never heard of. Got to class the first day and realized the professor wrote the book...
I agree the rich have it easier, but that is true anywhere in the world. I don't think money is the reason a poor person will likely get less education than a rich person though. If you haven't noticed, scholarships, grants, and loans make it possible for anyone to go to school if they *want* too. The problem is that the drive and discipline to go to school must be instilled by the parents and the family.
To say that rich people are holding down the poor and keeping them from going to school is not true at all. In fact it is quite the opposite. Who do you think gives money to all these school funds for financially challenged people to go to school? I bet it is not poor people.
The problem with society as a whole today is not this division between rich, poor, or "working families." The problem is that more and more people feel they are owed something. That they are entitled to rewards without having to work for it. This idea clearly permeates itself thoughout U.S. culture. Consumer debt at all time highs, people graduating high school without knowing how to read/write, and not forcing people who come to this country to learn english are all symptons of the same problem. People wanting something for nothing.
I'm sure whole volumes could be written on what is causing this, for a lack of a better term, laziness. I'm also sure many people have their own ideas on how to fix it, but the cause and the fix would take us even farther off topic.
The only thing we can hope for is that the next news source that does an interview with SCO actually does some pre-interview homework. Only then will they be able to ask some real questions and not just be FUD spreading mouthpiece for SCO.
If any inviewers need some help here you go:
Interviewer: "Do you consider the GPL invalid?"
SCO: "Yes, "
Interviewer: "I see. If you consider the GPL invalid, then what license agreement are you using to give you the right to incorporate Samba into your products?"
SCO: "Hmm..."
Problem is that your going to need an interviewer who isn't afraid to jump in and interrupt his/her guests to keep SCO from just fillabustering. Even though he can be annoying, I think Bill O'reilly would be great at handling the SCO guys.
They won't go there until one of the bigger players forces their hand. I hope it happens soon, because this shit is getting old real fast.
I agree. I believe Redhat is trying to file some sort of injunction against SCO, but where is IBM? SCO is directly attacking IBMs customers and most likely hurting IBMs sales. Could these actions by SCO be seen as unfair competitive practices? I'm extremely surprised that with SCO attacking IBMs customers that they haven't filed an immediate injuction telling SCO to either put up or shut up.
Having just interviewed more people than I wish to remember I would say that a PhD doesn't hurt you when looking for a job. The problem is that if you have only gone to school for many years and have no real software development work under your belt, that will hurt you if your looking for a development job.
Of course if you want a research position then a PhD is the only way to go. You probably need to end up asking yourself what you want to do and figure out the best way to get there. Getting your PhD is right for some paths, going to work is right for others.
that's still not often enough, and pick 3 isn't particularly addictive because winning anything is rare,
Wouldn't the odds of winning pick 3 be much easier than winning powerball? I would think it would be easier to 3 numbers than the 7 or 8 you have to pick for powerball. That would also be the reason why the pick 3 payoff is so low.
Keep in mind that most state lotterys are not just nightly drawings either. Add in the scratch off games where out of $10 you might win $1-$5 back it seems to me that the state lottery is setup to hook people into gambling. Finally, put in a huge advertising campaign saying how the lottery is fun and that it helps kids and schools and you have the state basically pushing gambling the way a dealer pushes drugs.
Exactly. In my bassackwards state of SC we had video poker for the longest time. You could play these games at the bar/gas station/whatever and the establishment would pay you out if you won. Then we got rid of video poker to help people who were addicted to gambling. I think it is a crock, but that was the moral argument made. Right after that, low and behold, we got a lottery. Now, that same people who played video poker all day now spend the same money playing the lottery and most likely have worse odds to win!
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I personally HATE trying to get a full album off kazaa and would rather go buy it (though I also HATE supporting the recording studios, so I end up with no albums :))
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I agree. I try to find alblums used, but I hate spending time rummaging through a used CD bin. I just end up not buy cds at all now or just snake them from my GF who doesn't hold the strong views against the RIAA that I do
installing Red Hat Linux on a server or a workstation is quick and will only need a small tweaking, while the same is far from truth on Windows
Look, I use and like linux like the best slashbotter, but lets be real. Either OS you end up using in a corporate environment is going need a lot of time for tweaking and customizing. I wouldn't let a virgin Windows or Redhat install just rollout to an entire enterprise.
If French Fries= Freedom Fries and French Toast = Freedom Toast I want to leave the US and go live in Freedom
You are free to leave the US anytime you want to. Now, will you find more freedom somewhere else than what you have here? I don't know the answer to that.
You have a point. Any extra software I install will be left up to me to keep up to date. This is how it works with any system though, and unless we want to allow a pretty intrusive system scan by some 3rd party it is probably how it is going to continue to work.
With that said the RH9 system I am using installs with a pretty complete set of tools that it continues to keep up to date for you.
No, you don't always have to reboot, and they don't release a patch every other day.
It just made me reboot my workstation after applying these patches. Each of which was a critical apply right now patch. The vba patch per se may not make you reboot, but the majority of MS patches do require a reboot. The MS fix for most OS issues is simply to reboot. Are you aware that IIS only reads the system enviroment variables once at system startup? Yep, add something to the path that you want IIS to access and you have to reboot. No amount of stopping and starting IIS will fix it. How can anyone run an enterprise on a system like that?
10 minutes to reboot is a hassle, especially when you're dumb admin doesn't schedule it at midnight or on a non-working day.
10 minutes of reboot is a huge hassle when the system(s) in question run a 24/7 operation. I would love to wait and apply a "critical" patch on a holiday, but waiting for a holiday is no longer an option with MS stuff. The problem is that I really can't wait for the scheduled reboots anymore b/c if I wait to apply a critical patch and during that time it gets exploited it becomes my fault.
Heck, just in the past year I administered an old IBM mainframe and network that updated bank accounts and ATMs for the greater area.
How often did that mainframe require a reboot?
I don't even want to bother reinstalling 9 because I know I'll get a HUGE list...
The list is shorter than the XP patch needed on a fresh install. Additionally the RHAT list updates all the software on your system whereas MS only updates the MS things you got going.
The other problem with MS releasing a new patch every other day is that you always have to reboot. Why in the hell do I need to reboot to fix a vba scripting error? The only time I ever need to reboot my linux boxes is when a kernel security patch comes out.
From your posts it is clear that you have never even seen the inside of an enterprise. Where servers are used 24/7 and rebooting at the whim of MS is just unacceptable. We used to be able to schedule a time to reboot, but now with windows exploits coming out at such a high rate we have been trying to patch and reboot ASAP. Rebooting == lost productivity == lost profit.
So tell me again how people who push linux are just linux fanboys.
I think any powerusers of MS Office are going to find OO lacking(probably rightfully so). I think the point is that OO is a perfectly capable office product for a home user or small business*. If MS continues to tighten their license noose I believe we will see more and more people switch.
*I would have also said students, but MS is basically giving away their software now to college students. MS gave my rather small school a grant so that I can walk down to the CS lab and get XP, VS, and Office for personal use free of charge.
Um, it only shows it the very first time.
Actually I just tested it on a Win2k laptop I have here and it does ask once per login. Since I log out of my box everyday it does appear to be asking me everytime. So, I was wrong in my initial claim of it asking everything, but it does ask more than once(at least in Win2k).
So hit the top link, All Files and do it.
That is still an extra click I must do. Why not take me right to a search box that already has focus so I don't have to go back to the mouse?
I'm always amazed at people who can hack up X config scripts yet are stumped by the simplest Windows options.
I gave up hacking X scripts awhile back. RH 9 just worked out of the box and I haven't done any real hacking yet. I want my OS just to work so I don't have to think about it. I don't need it getting in my way everytime I need to do something.
Apparently, they're working on a completely new, photorealistic interface called Aero that, coupled with the hardware-accelerated desktop, is going to blow people away.
I like eye-candy like the best of them. At the end of the day though, if it doesn't help me complete my job any faster or even worse slows me down then I don't want any part of it. It is funny that the tech people I talk to(even the pro MS ones) say frequently that they plan to stick with Win2k indefinitely. If all MS has is some new game like interface they are going to be hard pressed to sell it to the corps.
Yea, RH really screwed the pooch on that one. Although they did send me an email telling me about the issue, so I guess all is not lost.
My install of win2k at work could be borked, but it does ask me everytime I go into a system folder. Maybe windows just knows that I really shouldn't be in there :p
BTW, I don't think it started warning you until Win2k+.
Windows alone has many, many times the number of lines of code that Red hat 9 has.
Do you have any numbers on this? IIRC, Redhat 9.0 is 3 nearly full disks of binaries whereas I have a single dev disk at work with win2k(all versions)/win98(all versions)/win95(all versions).
It's not that I don't believe you, it's just when I statements like the one above thrown around like a fact I like to see some numbers behind it.
People always play this card without citing a single example in XP. Can you?
:) . The magazine and TV ads have all pointed to a more secure system, but we have seen how that panned out. So, in closing I think MS is now waiting for (or trying to find) a new "killer" tech to put into Longhorn so that there will be a clear reason to upgrade.
In Win2k and I believe XP why does it make me do a extra click everytime I go into one of the system folders? I know I want to be in there or else I wouldn't have gone to the folder. I could understand it warning me once, but every single time I enter the folder. I'm sure your going to say there is a registry hack out there to change this behavior, but I shouldn't have to be hacking the registry to put some sane behavior into my OS.
Another example is the XP search. When I go to do a search it makes me select some kind of search when all I want is to type a search string and go.
It is all these extra clicks in Win2k and now XP that bug the hell out of me. From the screenshots of longhorn I doubt I will be able to get any windows dev done w/o jumping through hoops just to open a file.
Just to keep a bit on topic, let me give you my take on the delay. I think that MS is feeling the corporate backlash of forcing corps to upgrade, and not have the corps feel as though they got anything out of the money they spent. Many CTOs are sitting around wondering what XP gives them on a corp desktop that Win2k doesn't(I'm actually wondering too
1. New up2date available with updated SSL certificate authority file
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I have never used SSL. I've used Apache but I've never needed SSL. This patch does not apply to me.
FYI, if you don't get the above update, up2date will not run anymore
I do find it ironic that hardly ANY open source development gets done by Indian programmers though...
Curious you should mention this. It is possible that it is just the firms I have dealt with, but it seems that very little innovation happens in these Indian code shops. You hand them a spec and it is coded too. If the spec is flawed they don't want to help you work through the flaws. Instead they code the flawed spec and question you when you ask why you weren't informed about the problems.
This ties in to the numerous complaints heard from support call centers that have been moved to India. The support people follow the scripts(aka specs) given to them, and any deviation is met with little self thought or motivation to solve the problem.
Now, I'm not anti Indian or anything of the sort. Maybe companies are just getting what they payed for out of a 5k-10k/year worker. Perhaps the cultural difference is the problem in the above situations.
I agree with you on the new Redhat 9 setup. The consistent desktop that just seems to work is something redhat has about gotten right in 9.0.
I don't need or want 20 different programs to do one thing. Let the distro I choose make the initial choice for me and if I don't like I can change it after the fact. If the distro does make a choice though they can test a single app much more than they can test 20, which leads to a a easier desktop experience.
I agree with the parent, but want to add that you should never say "no." Every other person in the company uses your services and when someone wants a rush job or thier project to take priority, make them go clear it with the person who is going to get bumped.
Unless your the CIO you really don't ever need to make a decision on what project gets worked on first. Let management bicker about it then come to when they have set a priority list. Of course you need to give reasonable estimates and input on any critical path tech issues, but management should make the final decision for you to execute on.
The last thing you want to do is start making operational decisions by setting your own priority list. The operational people won't take to this too keenly when their project doesn't get completed when they thought it would.
Heh, even better is this one class I took and had to buy some book that I had never heard of. Got to class the first day and realized the professor wrote the book...
This is why only the rich can learn in the US.
I agree the rich have it easier, but that is true anywhere in the world. I don't think money is the reason a poor person will likely get less education than a rich person though. If you haven't noticed, scholarships, grants, and loans make it possible for anyone to go to school if they *want* too. The problem is that the drive and discipline to go to school must be instilled by the parents and the family.
To say that rich people are holding down the poor and keeping them from going to school is not true at all. In fact it is quite the opposite. Who do you think gives money to all these school funds for financially challenged people to go to school? I bet it is not poor people.
The problem with society as a whole today is not this division between rich, poor, or "working families." The problem is that more and more people feel they are owed something. That they are entitled to rewards without having to work for it. This idea clearly permeates itself thoughout U.S. culture. Consumer debt at all time highs, people graduating high school without knowing how to read/write, and not forcing people who come to this country to learn english are all symptons of the same problem. People wanting something for nothing.
I'm sure whole volumes could be written on what is causing this, for a lack of a better term, laziness. I'm also sure many people have their own ideas on how to fix it, but the cause and the fix would take us even farther off topic.
LMAO, good one :)
The only thing we can hope for is that the next news source that does an interview with SCO actually does some pre-interview homework. Only then will they be able to ask some real questions and not just be FUD spreading mouthpiece for SCO.
If any inviewers need some help here you go:
Interviewer: "Do you consider the GPL invalid?"
SCO: "Yes, "
Interviewer: "I see. If you consider the GPL invalid, then what license agreement are you using to give you the right to incorporate Samba into your products?"
SCO: "Hmm..."
Problem is that your going to need an interviewer who isn't afraid to jump in and interrupt his/her guests to keep SCO from just fillabustering. Even though he can be annoying, I think Bill O'reilly would be great at handling the SCO guys.
They won't go there until one of the bigger players forces their hand. I hope it happens soon, because this shit is getting old real fast.
I agree. I believe Redhat is trying to file some sort of injunction against SCO, but where is IBM? SCO is directly attacking IBMs customers and most likely hurting IBMs sales. Could these actions by SCO be seen as unfair competitive practices? I'm extremely surprised that with SCO attacking IBMs customers that they haven't filed an immediate injuction telling SCO to either put up or shut up.
Having just interviewed more people than I wish to remember I would say that a PhD doesn't hurt you when looking for a job. The problem is that if you have only gone to school for many years and have no real software development work under your belt, that will hurt you if your looking for a development job.
Of course if you want a research position then a PhD is the only way to go. You probably need to end up asking yourself what you want to do and figure out the best way to get there. Getting your PhD is right for some paths, going to work is right for others.
that's still not often enough, and pick 3 isn't particularly addictive because winning anything is rare,
Wouldn't the odds of winning pick 3 be much easier than winning powerball? I would think it would be easier to 3 numbers than the 7 or 8 you have to pick for powerball. That would also be the reason why the pick 3 payoff is so low.
Keep in mind that most state lotterys are not just nightly drawings either. Add in the scratch off games where out of $10 you might win $1-$5 back it seems to me that the state lottery is setup to hook people into gambling. Finally, put in a huge advertising campaign saying how the lottery is fun and that it helps kids and schools and you have the state basically pushing gambling the way a dealer pushes drugs.
with the lottery, you have to wait until the next draw to see what happens.
Heh, in my state of SC they do the pick 3 drawing 2-3 times a day now...
Exactly. In my bassackwards state of SC we had video poker for the longest time. You could play these games at the bar/gas station/whatever and the establishment would pay you out if you won. Then we got rid of video poker to help people who were addicted to gambling. I think it is a crock, but that was the moral argument made. Right after that, low and behold, we got a lottery. Now, that same people who played video poker all day now spend the same money playing the lottery and most likely have worse odds to win!