Re:This is Freshmeat stuff. Not Slashdot.
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Mozilla 0.9.1 Out
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Opera for Linux doesn't do java. It doesn't do Realplayer, nor Flash. It is a nice simple, basic browser with a MDI gui.I like it. I use it a lot but Opera is nowhere near as useable as mozilla is atm.
Truth be told they can give it a 5, call it final but without java support I consider Opera to be just an incomplete browser.
Well, that's exactly the way I feel about patents for government funded research. Why the hell should the people who created the RSA algorithm be allowed to patent their publicly funded work then only allow one company to use their algorithm?
The difference is with the GPL you can't corner the market. Your code can be forked, incorporated, enhanced or whatever by anyone as long as they make the code available to anyone who needs it.
Revoke the Bayh-Dole act first and then we can talk about no funds for GPLd software.
Well, for a moment there I was wondering if he might have accepted a patch from someone who contributed code under a license that might free up the program then blinked and realized it would be under a BSD license and co-opted anyway....
So that leaves the question "Did someone contributed any significant code for this program under a BSD license that could be brought back in the creation of a 'free' version of ipfw?" Since I don't track this program I was just wondering if that was the case.
But the ability to let people know that faction X is committing genocide on on faction Y without getting your tounge ripped out and stuffed in your shirt pocket is a good thing.
Anonymity isn't the problem. It's the immature dolts who abuse it that are.
Just speaking for the linux side of things. Opera doesn't do java. Opera's free version tries to generate ad revenue which I pretty much ignore (but is there any other ad out there beside the AARP one?) and, I'll be honest, it's just a browser. I wouldn't spend $40 for just a browser and I used to spend a lot for browsers (anyone remember Cyberjack?) $40 is a game, a good technical book, some CDs, toys or outfits for my son but what it is not is just a browser. Even when Opera gets java and plugin support it isn't worth $40.
And then there is the DMI interface, which is very cool for some things but positively sucks for others. Opera is very nice for casual browsing. I often use it to check up on/., LinuxToday, and the mrtg pages I have up to monitor the network. But for things like the Sun web training site I use, DMI is a hinderance. I want one web page maximized and I want it to stay that way when I click on a popup window to compare the information with the main lesson. Opera, when it generates a popup window resizes all my pages and I have to manually maximize a page again. Do this a number of times and it gets very annoying.
Then there is the memory footprint issue. For me, it means nothing. Mozilla runs fine on my PII 233 with 192M of ram, just like Opera does. Complaints of mozilla startup being slow is like complaints of linux starting up slow - a non-issue. Rendering speed is about the same between the two afaic with the only benefit to Opera being it is more responsive to my input. And as mozilla improves I have to ask again "Why should I pay $40 for Opera?"
As for Konquerer? I have no opinion. I don't use it or KDE. It might as well be a Mac or Windows only browser afaic since I can't find a static build of it. I use 3 browsers on linux now and if I must pick up a fourth it will be Galeon. I know Konquerer makes a lot of people happy and I think that's good. But I just have no interest in it.
So no, the ship hasn't passed. There is no one true browser for linux and there probably never will be. And considering Opera costs money to get rid of the ads and Konquerer requires KDE I don't think mozilla is out of the running. Quite honestly, I can wait.
The whole idea behind a patent being non-obvious is that it is non-obvious to "one skilled in the art." It is obvious if your average electrical engineer/programmer/applicable profession takes it for granted and is therefore unpatentable.
I'm not saying Tivo doesn't deserve the patent but what a lay person thinks when it comes to issuing a patent means squat. At least in theory considering the crap that is currently being issued nowadays in certain industries.
Re:At last! now I can ditch Linux and all the bigo
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Shared Source?
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Sure, Windows cost money and to peek at the source is going to cost you a shitload of money. I guess this is the same type of thinking Scientologists use to blow thousands of dollars so they can have the comfort of getting to the next OT level. I can just see it now. Here is the code for Active Directory but before you buy it you need to buy and study the code for DCOM lest you be unprepared for the revelations of AD and it kills you.:p
Oh, and getting RH7.1 along with SGI's XFS installation image cost me nothing but download time and a few CDs. Just like the source costs me nothing for those products. I think you missed a few $s when you spelled Micro$$$$$$oft and gave an extra to RedHat.
And what about the 65mph limits on I-94 in WI or the 70mph limits on I-65 in TN? IIRC, some states like TX have laws which state that you can go any speed on certain highways as long as there is no other traffic on the road during the day.
Your information is old and mine will be incomplete sadly to say. NT did get C2 certified on a network under 6 configurations iirc. I remember checking out the story on the MS website and seeing that the configurations would be posted at a later date. After a month or two, I gave up trying to read about these 6 configurations. I assume they are documented somewhere.
That would not save you. To quote from Kaplan's judgement.
1.
The Remaining Defendants, their officers, agents, servants, employees
and attorneys and all persons in active concert or participation with
them who receive actual notice of this order by personal service or
otherwise be and they hereby are permanently enjoined and restrained
from:
(a) posting on any Internet web site, or in any other way
manufacturing, importing or offering to the public, providing, or
otherwise trafficking in DeCSS, and
(b) posting on any Internet web site, or in any other way
manufacturing, importing or offering to the public, providing, or
otherwise trafficking in any technology, product, service, device,
component, or part thereof, that:
(i)
is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing, or
circumventing the protection afforded by, CSS, or any other
technological measure adopted by plaintiffs that effectively controls
access to plaintiffs' copyrighted works or effectively protects the
plaintiffs' rights to control whether an end user can reproduce,
manufacture, adapt, publicly perform and/or distribute unauthorized
copies of their copyrighted works or portions thereof;
2600 could not link to or publish the code for any CSS decoder if I am reading this correctly. And it would not surprise me if the MPAA simply changed the cease and desist boilerplate they currently use to get an ISP to remove the hypothetical DeCSS varient.
Yes, you can get a HP printer working on a linux box. But, if you want a printer like a 970Cse to get the same print quality under linux as under windows you are SOL and that nice link you provided isn't worth squat.
I've been to the support pages and inquired about linux drivers. A few months ago, I got a variety of reasons for not having linux support for DeskJets. One of them being that linux was considered a varient of unix and printers on unix systems were considered to be outputting 50k+ pages a month. More than what the DeskJet was spec'd for. Didn't matter that I informed them I was using a linux box as a workstation. I then started e-mailing for developer support and got nowhere there. I even took the time to examine the comments in the latest Ghostscript code and found that the developer had an extremely difficult time getting info from HP to build a better driver.
HP deskjets, according to a technician I met at a recent tech conference, informed me that deskjets have a proprietary way of mixing ink on the page to produce high quality output. It's an example they use to explain why their print quality is better than say Epson even though the competitor may have a higher number of dpi on their product. This jives with the Ghostscript comments I read.
Getting the same bang for your buck with a laserjet is no big thing to do on linux. It's when you try to do it on a DeskJet that linux just can't compete and that issue rests solely on HP imho.
Providing support on getting linux to run on a PC is one thing. Getting them to develop quality linux drivers for their consumer printers is another.
Read the article and find out. Anyway, what I find interesting is that MS has multiple reasons for doing this. One that I don't see anybody talking about is that they would have to pay Fraunhofer $2.50 for every copy of the recording software they distribute.
It makes sense not to pay the fee and promote a technology you own to avoid having to pay ever again.
I stand by my comment. The broadcasts are interesting and disseminate useful information on what was talked about at the summit. As there was no way I could or even should have been there it is nice that I can see the talks for myself and get something out of it. I also called the parent to my post as I saw it. Maybe I should have elaborated why I disagreed with the parent to this thread. *shrug*
What is really lame is sitting in a technical meeting to discuss what Exchange can do for your company and listen to a marketdroid talk for half the meeting. At least with these webcasts I'm getting 100% signal.
Funny, I find it more interesting that, if you accept the default, Opera 5.0b7 for linux it will identify itself as IE5.0. Considering that isn't preventing me from browsing the web and Progeny's site isn't booting me I don't see what the big deal is.
I have no clue why they do that. It's like when they released RC2 and named the installation diskettes *.img instead of.bin. rawrite wouldn't recognize the extension. And nothing in the release notes to explain it either.
A newbie shouldn't feel the need to call Miss Cleo on something like that.
Re:Do you think a recession will help RedHat/Linux
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We created a DMZ on our network and installed an IDS using linux and snort. Used a box nobody wanted and the only cost was time. A Windows solutions could have cost upward of $80,000US and we would have never done it with the budget cuts we have had to make.
While good for the company it should be noted that we aren't paying somebody for support on that system. So while I see a recession as being good for linux, I don't see it being good for a linux company. But that's just my experience.
4 billion people don't have Internet connection either. That didn't stop the obligatory 'Why isn't this on Freshmeat?' post which I think is stupid but so many people find insightful. Or how about that post about when Ximian will include the 1.4 binaries which is now at 0? This isn't Offtopic.
Unless it is some complete waste of bandwidth (e.g. F1rst P0st or some goatse.cx link), moderators should just leave it alone and let people comment on it or ignore it as they please. With that standard, I at least know I can browse at 1, or even 0, and not see the 'Fuck you.'/'No fuck you' bullshit and, at the same time, not have a relevent post stomped under my radar by some thug with moderator points.
I'm all for moderating posts down but there are better posts to kick into the -1 toilet than someone questioning why the topic at hand is of any import.
No. Dissenting opinion. Save troll ratings for the really worthless f1rst p0st junk that needs to stay in the -1 toilet.
Back to being on topic, samrolken's component model is fine for him but isn't fine for the other half of the users who would use linux as a desktop. This is why the current state of competition in linux GUIs is good.
For myself, I didn't like E when it was Gnome's wm and much prefer using Gnome with the likes of Sawfish or iceWM. E had its day on my desktop but I've got better things to do then try every WM out there.
People are entitled to their opinions about what is and isn't worth pursuing. I'm also entitled to completely ignore their advice. E isn't what I want, it's not fine for me, so I will continue to use and contribute what I can to Gnome. My interest, my choice.
No, most moderator points get blown on stuffing f1st p0st flamewars and goatse.cx links down into the -1 toilet where they belong. A regular account posts at 1. I want to be able to browse at 1 to see the content. I'd like to browse at 0 to see any anonymous content also but 0 is about 50 percent noise that needs to be moderated to -1.
I refuse to browse at 2+ just to see a handful of posts that others have judged pithy or informative or that simply default to 2. For example, at the time I write this, there are:
206 comments at -1
195 at 0
126 at 1
51 at 2
15 at 3
8 at 4
4 at 5
So if I want to surf and get signal I can shoot to a 3 and see less than a tenth of the total comments. Or I can use my moderator points on removing the crap, then browse at 1 and see a majority of the posts. Under these circumstyances you tell me why it is better to pump up an already modded post to a three and not dump some AC 'First post. J00 4R3 411 d1CK5.' to -1.
Welcome to the abuse of anominity, the rejection of civic responsibility, and the corruption of community in an online setting. This spend more time modding up than modding down sounds good but imo doesn't do well in practice.
Windows does offer some graphical speed improvement as a result of it, though.
True. I won't deny it. I maintain it wasn't worth the gain and linux should not follow the same path.
You don't understand - not just what they kernel spews out, but the distribution as a whole.
I understood you completely. Nothing you mention cannot be hidden. And most of it already is with a properly configured machine. A framebuffer splashscreen during boot going into XDM and you wouldn't see a single system message.
A desktop OS is a far more amorphous problem - the focus should be on letting the user get what tasks they need to get done, with the minimum amount of worrying what is under the hood.
I guess I have a unique perspective on this - I work with people who need computers, but are easily confused by what we understand. They don't understand a driver conflict, all they know is that "the Internet is broken."
You hardly have a unique perspective. I work in the IT department for a newspaper with over 1400 clients doing network and end-user support. It's a fun job. I get to help people out and learn new things constantly.
That said, no, a desktop OS does not need a bunch of stuff packed in the kernel that could be applied in userspace. Configuring a printer does not require a kernel module. Being able to plug in a gnumeric spreadsheet into abiword does not require new code in the kernel. We don't need a checkbox to compile Mozilla's renderer when doing a make Xconfig.
Desktop OSes should protect the user from the computer. Your average user doesn't care about what most of Linux does, or what it can run on - they just want to write a paper, or check their email.
I'm not debating that point at all. I am debating why a single line of code must go into the kernel to accomplish this. Except for the speed of rendering graphics, which imho isn't worth the probable code fork it would require to get little Bobby an extra 20fps in Alice, nothing -absolutely nothing- you want has to be in kernel space. Is this the way you see NT? As one big kernel GUI that has every program running in Ring 0? Office isn't in the kernel. Outlook isn't in the kernel. This is not preventing Joe Average from reading their mail or writing the next Great American Novel.
You want linux for the desktop then developers need to make improvements in XFree. XFree can be made faster just as it can be extended to incorporate new technoligies like TT fonts. They need to continue to improve KDE and Gnome and GnuStep. Apps like Konqueror and Mozilla and Abiword need to be improved. Technologies like KParts and Bonobo worked into more apps. The list goes on and on and on.
I guess I must have a unique perspective on this. I look around and see every single one of those items being worked on. Just like the kernel developers are doing what they should be and improving the performance, and design of the kernel. Between the two I see nothing sabotaging or hindering the development of a consumer friendly linux desktop.
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Truth be told they can give it a 5, call it final but without java support I consider Opera to be just an incomplete browser.
The difference is with the GPL you can't corner the market. Your code can be forked, incorporated, enhanced or whatever by anyone as long as they make the code available to anyone who needs it.
Revoke the Bayh-Dole act first and then we can talk about no funds for GPLd software.
So that leaves the question "Did someone contributed any significant code for this program under a BSD license that could be brought back in the creation of a 'free' version of ipfw?" Since I don't track this program I was just wondering if that was the case.
Anonymity isn't the problem. It's the immature dolts who abuse it that are.
It isn't? Seem awful simple for me to use the installer and get just the browser. No mail client, no newsreader, no chat program. Just the browser.
And then there is the DMI interface, which is very cool for some things but positively sucks for others. Opera is very nice for casual browsing. I often use it to check up on /., LinuxToday, and the mrtg pages I have up to monitor the network. But for things like the Sun web training site I use, DMI is a hinderance. I want one web page maximized and I want it to stay that way when I click on a popup window to compare the information with the main lesson. Opera, when it generates a popup window resizes all my pages and I have to manually maximize a page again. Do this a number of times and it gets very annoying.
Then there is the memory footprint issue. For me, it means nothing. Mozilla runs fine on my PII 233 with 192M of ram, just like Opera does. Complaints of mozilla startup being slow is like complaints of linux starting up slow - a non-issue. Rendering speed is about the same between the two afaic with the only benefit to Opera being it is more responsive to my input. And as mozilla improves I have to ask again "Why should I pay $40 for Opera?"
As for Konquerer? I have no opinion. I don't use it or KDE. It might as well be a Mac or Windows only browser afaic since I can't find a static build of it. I use 3 browsers on linux now and if I must pick up a fourth it will be Galeon. I know Konquerer makes a lot of people happy and I think that's good. But I just have no interest in it.
So no, the ship hasn't passed. There is no one true browser for linux and there probably never will be. And considering Opera costs money to get rid of the ads and Konquerer requires KDE I don't think mozilla is out of the running. Quite honestly, I can wait.
I'm not saying Tivo doesn't deserve the patent but what a lay person thinks when it comes to issuing a patent means squat. At least in theory considering the crap that is currently being issued nowadays in certain industries.
Oh, and getting RH7.1 along with SGI's XFS installation image cost me nothing but download time and a few CDs. Just like the source costs me nothing for those products. I think you missed a few $s when you spelled Micro$$$$$$oft and gave an extra to RedHat.
And what about the 65mph limits on I-94 in WI or the 70mph limits on I-65 in TN? IIRC, some states like TX have laws which state that you can go any speed on certain highways as long as there is no other traffic on the road during the day.
Paraphrased from memory...
ound.. round... ground. Ground! I wonder if it will be my friend?
Your information is old and mine will be incomplete sadly to say. NT did get C2 certified on a network under 6 configurations iirc. I remember checking out the story on the MS website and seeing that the configurations would be posted at a later date. After a month or two, I gave up trying to read about these 6 configurations. I assume they are documented somewhere.
2600 could not link to or publish the code for any CSS decoder if I am reading this correctly. And it would not surprise me if the MPAA simply changed the cease and desist boilerplate they currently use to get an ISP to remove the hypothetical DeCSS varient.
I've been to the support pages and inquired about linux drivers. A few months ago, I got a variety of reasons for not having linux support for DeskJets. One of them being that linux was considered a varient of unix and printers on unix systems were considered to be outputting 50k+ pages a month. More than what the DeskJet was spec'd for. Didn't matter that I informed them I was using a linux box as a workstation. I then started e-mailing for developer support and got nowhere there. I even took the time to examine the comments in the latest Ghostscript code and found that the developer had an extremely difficult time getting info from HP to build a better driver.
HP deskjets, according to a technician I met at a recent tech conference, informed me that deskjets have a proprietary way of mixing ink on the page to produce high quality output. It's an example they use to explain why their print quality is better than say Epson even though the competitor may have a higher number of dpi on their product. This jives with the Ghostscript comments I read.
Getting the same bang for your buck with a laserjet is no big thing to do on linux. It's when you try to do it on a DeskJet that linux just can't compete and that issue rests solely on HP imho. Providing support on getting linux to run on a PC is one thing. Getting them to develop quality linux drivers for their consumer printers is another.
It makes sense not to pay the fee and promote a technology you own to avoid having to pay ever again.
Any chance of posting downloads for the slides used in the talks?
What is really lame is sitting in a technical meeting to discuss what Exchange can do for your company and listen to a marketdroid talk for half the meeting. At least with these webcasts I'm getting 100% signal.
Trolling for karma on /. maybe?
Funny, I find it more interesting that, if you accept the default, Opera 5.0b7 for linux it will identify itself as IE5.0. Considering that isn't preventing me from browsing the web and Progeny's site isn't booting me I don't see what the big deal is.
I have no clue why they do that. It's like when they released RC2 and named the installation diskettes *.img instead of .bin. rawrite wouldn't recognize the extension. And nothing in the release notes to explain it either.
A newbie shouldn't feel the need to call Miss Cleo on something like that.
To be blunt, they all suck. Just look here.
While good for the company it should be noted that we aren't paying somebody for support on that system. So while I see a recession as being good for linux, I don't see it being good for a linux company. But that's just my experience.
Unless it is some complete waste of bandwidth (e.g. F1rst P0st or some goatse.cx link), moderators should just leave it alone and let people comment on it or ignore it as they please. With that standard, I at least know I can browse at 1, or even 0, and not see the 'Fuck you.'/'No fuck you' bullshit and, at the same time, not have a relevent post stomped under my radar by some thug with moderator points.
I'm all for moderating posts down but there are better posts to kick into the -1 toilet than someone questioning why the topic at hand is of any import.
Back to being on topic, samrolken's component model is fine for him but isn't fine for the other half of the users who would use linux as a desktop. This is why the current state of competition in linux GUIs is good.
For myself, I didn't like E when it was Gnome's wm and much prefer using Gnome with the likes of Sawfish or iceWM. E had its day on my desktop but I've got better things to do then try every WM out there.
People are entitled to their opinions about what is and isn't worth pursuing. I'm also entitled to completely ignore their advice. E isn't what I want, it's not fine for me, so I will continue to use and contribute what I can to Gnome. My interest, my choice.
I refuse to browse at 2+ just to see a handful of posts that others have judged pithy or informative or that simply default to 2. For example, at the time I write this, there are:
So if I want to surf and get signal I can shoot to a 3 and see less than a tenth of the total comments. Or I can use my moderator points on removing the crap, then browse at 1 and see a majority of the posts. Under these circumstyances you tell me why it is better to pump up an already modded post to a three and not dump some AC 'First post. J00 4R3 411 d1CK5.' to -1.
Welcome to the abuse of anominity, the rejection of civic responsibility, and the corruption of community in an online setting. This spend more time modding up than modding down sounds good but imo doesn't do well in practice.
True. I won't deny it. I maintain it wasn't worth the gain and linux should not follow the same path.
You don't understand - not just what they kernel spews out, but the distribution as a whole.
I understood you completely. Nothing you mention cannot be hidden. And most of it already is with a properly configured machine. A framebuffer splashscreen during boot going into XDM and you wouldn't see a single system message.
A desktop OS is a far more amorphous problem - the focus should be on letting the user get what tasks they need to get done, with the minimum amount of worrying what is under the hood.
I guess I have a unique perspective on this - I work with people who need computers, but are easily confused by what we understand. They don't understand a driver conflict, all they know is that "the Internet is broken."
You hardly have a unique perspective. I work in the IT department for a newspaper with over 1400 clients doing network and end-user support. It's a fun job. I get to help people out and learn new things constantly.
That said, no, a desktop OS does not need a bunch of stuff packed in the kernel that could be applied in userspace. Configuring a printer does not require a kernel module. Being able to plug in a gnumeric spreadsheet into abiword does not require new code in the kernel. We don't need a checkbox to compile Mozilla's renderer when doing a make Xconfig.
Desktop OSes should protect the user from the computer. Your average user doesn't care about what most of Linux does, or what it can run on - they just want to write a paper, or check their email.
I'm not debating that point at all. I am debating why a single line of code must go into the kernel to accomplish this. Except for the speed of rendering graphics, which imho isn't worth the probable code fork it would require to get little Bobby an extra 20fps in Alice, nothing -absolutely nothing- you want has to be in kernel space. Is this the way you see NT? As one big kernel GUI that has every program running in Ring 0? Office isn't in the kernel. Outlook isn't in the kernel. This is not preventing Joe Average from reading their mail or writing the next Great American Novel.
You want linux for the desktop then developers need to make improvements in XFree. XFree can be made faster just as it can be extended to incorporate new technoligies like TT fonts. They need to continue to improve KDE and Gnome and GnuStep. Apps like Konqueror and Mozilla and Abiword need to be improved. Technologies like KParts and Bonobo worked into more apps. The list goes on and on and on.
I guess I must have a unique perspective on this. I look around and see every single one of those items being worked on. Just like the kernel developers are doing what they should be and improving the performance, and design of the kernel. Between the two I see nothing sabotaging or hindering the development of a consumer friendly linux desktop.