Ah, a very valid point sir. I would argue that whilst there are also mostly idiotic adults in the planet, an idiotic adult is slightly less idiotic than an idiotic teen by definition.
Good point: buy them condoms, teach them how to use them (with a bannana, you sick fuck), and talk to them about the danger of mixing drugs and sex: its hard to have safe sex when youre fucked up on tang and vodka.
However, its good that the court ruled this, isnt it? I see it as proof that sometimes, not all the time, but sometimes, your judicial system gives signs of actually working for the citizen.
My dear friend, please attempt to empathize with a guy or gal that may only speak zapoteco, mixteco or nahuatl and that is perhaps a great worker but never even had primary school. Concepts like "fun" and even "adult" may not have the same meaning to them than to you.
And everybody is just like you hey? What did you do in denmark: picking berries?
Uh hu.
Now for the case you put forward, i agree with you. It shouldnt be a necessity for the inmigrant to educate his/her children in their mother tongue as a first tongue. However, this is mostly not the case on a day by day basis for most inmigrants, or thats my perception.
Mexico is bigger than Ciudad Juarez which is more like a franchise from hell. Mexico is big my friend, do not buy ALL the crap, just the crap that seems reasonable.
Not even the japaneese have a robot that can pick a cotton or grape field for the cost/quality that you get from a poor human with an idiotically large family. We are not there and personally I think we will get a genetically modified cabernet sauvignon that can pick itself and make itself wine before you can have a decent picking robot.
What can I tell you... I think that if youve ever been to california and talked to a mexican-american you would realize that mexican children that grow up in the states speak english as well as any other american kid. I dont think you are xenophobic, I just think that you are not realizing that its hard to an adult to learn the language perfectly in years. It would be very hard for you to go to, say, Hungary and learn hungarian in five years, isnt it?
So further generations WILL be plain americans, will do their military service, will go to college and will pay all taxes you ask of them. There is no reason to assume otherwise.
Well... granted that the only way for a mexican to become american is for he/she to be rich beforehand. But in all fairness, i should say that its no walk in the park to be a legal immigrant in mexico.
I think that its not only an immigration problem: that is how they sell it to the repugs. Its the drug problem and, as Milton Friedman put it, its a DAMNED STUPID way to attempt to thwart ANY kind of contraband, including illegal immigrants contraband. You see, the real problem is not the immigration itself and the jobs it might take, because, really, americans dont WANT to work the fields or the mens room at the yankee stadium.
The real problem is that they are attempting to thwart a growing and very powerfull mafia that moves human organs (children organ's in many cases), slave sexual labor (children in many cases), drugs, slave labor and whatever anyone pays to move to the US, by actually eliminating their competition and securing their monopolies by artificially elevating the entry barrier to the market (with technology, which will be thwarted by the more intelligent and thus more powerfull contrabandists, but not by their smaller competition).
And on and on the circle goes forever while, as friedman said, stupid politicians with good intentions keep peddling their crap without tending, for a second, to reason.
Ah...reason.... that thing weve lost in both sides of the border.
hell, all of us, americans and mexicans, should move to canada.
My friend, with enough cash, firepower and logistics, believe me, you can pay/menace/recruit a US policeman (or DEA agent, or FBI agent, or judge, or YES, CONGRESSMAN) instead of getting arrested: how in the hell do you think 11 tons of PURE coke find their way to New York City every year? I mean, 11 metric tons sounds small, but if it comes in ready to sell and already mixed, multiply by a 100 to get the figure: how do you move that ammount of product to ONE city? How about 100 cities? Provided that they process right there in the city: do you think they wont need to buy or press a judge or policeman to not endanger their operation? Do you live in disneyland?
Let me put it this way: how do you meassure corruption? Well, a good meassure is as a proportion of the GDP.
From this perspective, Id say that the US obviously has a much much much lesser problem in corruption, but this is due to it having a HUGE GDP, not because of some magicall moral quality of their people: we are all the same, you know... regardless of where we live?
But look at the drug market anyhow: 10% of americans SAY they take illegal drugs, close to 50% say theyve taken at least once. If I was selling coca-cola, or cigarretes, id look at those figures with much joy. If I had say, about 30billion in my pocket, and I had to pay someone to get into that market (legally of course), I would.
Now if Im a narc and I had to pose "an offer this or that guy cant deny" to get my product to the consumer, you bet your ass I would: its what they do.
And if I was the custom's agent, the judge, the policeman and someone threatened with an: its your children whom you can see in this webcam here in a white, lonely and cold room, or this shiny piece of 50k USD... I dont know about you, but I sure as hell would take the dough.
You see, I would advise you to try and understand how an entrepreneur thinks and strip yourself of any moral or humane value: thats the way narcs work. BTW, they got their style from politicians who do this all the time in both sides of the border.
There are no good and bad countries or inhabitants of countries in this "war" we are in. There are interests of large, large entrepreneurial groups, both american and mexican. The fact that the american economy is larger, only allows the american people to extend their hipocrisy longer than we can in Mexico. In the end it all becomes apparent, you see? The economic incentives of prohibition makes law enforcement agencies depend on it to justify their budgets. They no longer WANT to end the drug market: imagine that! they would be out of work. They just want to fight an endless war, take the money where the risk is low, shut down a narc-op when the risk of taking the dough or looking incompetent is high... perhaps even sharing the loss with your real bosses.
It is incredible to me when I listen to an american and he/she is absolutely OBVLIVIOUS about the kind of harm YOUR prohibition, drug policy and pattern of drug consumption is destroying MY country, and STILL have the nerve to come tell me that there is something morally wrong intrinsecally in my country.
You know, the only thing morally wrong, if any, is the love for dollars that the US has pushed down everyone's throat since its been a superpotence. THE DRUG WAR is a direct result of this, of globalization and open trade, of aspirational capitalism at its best and, you know what? I LOVE capitalism. Thats why drugs should be LEGAL everywhere.
So the USA provides narcs with a 60 billion illegal market without being a corrupt state?
Hell. Either the narcs are genious or law enforcement in the USA is really one of the worst trained in the world.
Since im not willing to believe in either of those, Im going to go with this thesis: narcs are very smart corporations that buy law enforcement official and beaurocrats in both sides of the border to accomplish their bussiness.
There has to be some VERY IMPORTANT corruption the states to be able to sell that ammount of illegal drugs in your streets. There just isnt any other way to accomplish that.
Nope bro, we get it from three distinct good sources: big cities are every bit as modern and productive as in say, brasil, portugal or chile (youd be surprised, believe me), so we have an important services industry in the cities.
Then we used to have a fuckload of oil. Used to bne the third largest producer of great oil. That went to hell because stupid and crooked politicians on the take gave it away instead of doing anything productive with it.
And then yes, theres the cash coming in from the people working in the first world.
And the pie is in this order: oil gives the most, money from abroad the second, internal market the third.
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Windows.
So I cant "install" such a thing.
Whats this "antivirus" thing anyway?
Ah, a very valid point sir. I would argue that whilst there are also mostly idiotic adults in the planet, an idiotic adult is slightly less idiotic than an idiotic teen by definition.
This reflexion you propose is wonderful my dear sir. I concurr with your apreciation in every way depicted.
By god!
You ARE anal, aint you?
What language would that be in? Perl is to obtuse, java is too objectifying, .net based tongues aint worth a damn, C would be too low level...
Id say he presumes he has the responsability for what the child does because, hell, its the law.
Not true. Teens are stupid because they are teens. There are less idiotic teens, but in general, a teen is an idiot. It can safely be assumed.
Good point: buy them condoms, teach them how to use them (with a bannana, you sick fuck), and talk to them about the danger of mixing drugs and sex: its hard to have safe sex when youre fucked up on tang and vodka.
I say we outlaw adolescence under penalty of death.
However, its good that the court ruled this, isnt it? I see it as proof that sometimes, not all the time, but sometimes, your judicial system gives signs of actually working for the citizen.
My dear friend, please attempt to empathize with a guy or gal that may only speak zapoteco, mixteco or nahuatl and that is perhaps a great worker but never even had primary school. Concepts like "fun" and even "adult" may not have the same meaning to them than to you.
And everybody is just like you hey? What did you do in denmark: picking berries?
Uh hu.
Now for the case you put forward, i agree with you. It shouldnt be a necessity for the inmigrant to educate his/her children in their mother tongue as a first tongue. However, this is mostly not the case on a day by day basis for most inmigrants, or thats my perception.
Mexico is bigger than Ciudad Juarez which is more like a franchise from hell. Mexico is big my friend, do not buy ALL the crap, just the crap that seems reasonable.
Not even the japaneese have a robot that can pick a cotton or grape field for the cost/quality that you get from a poor human with an idiotically large family. We are not there and personally I think we will get a genetically modified cabernet sauvignon that can pick itself and make itself wine before you can have a decent picking robot.
Ah, an intelligent man here on slashdot. You are a common man here, Pojut, but a jewell for the uninitiated. I agree with the whole blurb.
What can I tell you... I think that if youve ever been to california and talked to a mexican-american you would realize that mexican children that grow up in the states speak english as well as any other american kid. I dont think you are xenophobic, I just think that you are not realizing that its hard to an adult to learn the language perfectly in years. It would be very hard for you to go to, say, Hungary and learn hungarian in five years, isnt it?
So further generations WILL be plain americans, will do their military service, will go to college and will pay all taxes you ask of them. There is no reason to assume otherwise.
It wouldve been better spent in tv ads adressing the dangers drug consumption abuse, while at the same time you legalize drugs.
And then both mexico and the us would be happier, richer countries, with money spent where it should, instead of in a drug "war" nobody can win.
Well... granted that the only way for a mexican to become american is for he/she to be rich beforehand. But in all fairness, i should say that its no walk in the park to be a legal immigrant in mexico.
I think that its not only an immigration problem: that is how they sell it to the repugs. Its the drug problem and, as Milton Friedman put it, its a DAMNED STUPID way to attempt to thwart ANY kind of contraband, including illegal immigrants contraband. You see, the real problem is not the immigration itself and the jobs it might take, because, really, americans dont WANT to work the fields or the mens room at the yankee stadium.
The real problem is that they are attempting to thwart a growing and very powerfull mafia that moves human organs (children organ's in many cases), slave sexual labor (children in many cases), drugs, slave labor and whatever anyone pays to move to the US, by actually eliminating their competition and securing their monopolies by artificially elevating the entry barrier to the market (with technology, which will be thwarted by the more intelligent and thus more powerfull contrabandists, but not by their smaller competition).
And on and on the circle goes forever while, as friedman said, stupid politicians with good intentions keep peddling their crap without tending, for a second, to reason.
Ah...reason.... that thing weve lost in both sides of the border.
hell, all of us, americans and mexicans, should move to canada.
My friend, with enough cash, firepower and logistics, believe me, you can pay/menace/recruit a US policeman (or DEA agent, or FBI agent, or judge, or YES, CONGRESSMAN) instead of getting arrested: how in the hell do you think 11 tons of PURE coke find their way to New York City every year? I mean, 11 metric tons sounds small, but if it comes in ready to sell and already mixed, multiply by a 100 to get the figure: how do you move that ammount of product to ONE city? How about 100 cities? Provided that they process right there in the city: do you think they wont need to buy or press a judge or policeman to not endanger their operation? Do you live in disneyland?
Let me put it this way: how do you meassure corruption? Well, a good meassure is as a proportion of the GDP.
From this perspective, Id say that the US obviously has a much much much lesser problem in corruption, but this is due to it having a HUGE GDP, not because of some magicall moral quality of their people: we are all the same, you know... regardless of where we live?
But look at the drug market anyhow: 10% of americans SAY they take illegal drugs, close to 50% say theyve taken at least once. If I was selling coca-cola, or cigarretes, id look at those figures with much joy. If I had say, about 30billion in my pocket, and I had to pay someone to get into that market (legally of course), I would.
Now if Im a narc and I had to pose "an offer this or that guy cant deny" to get my product to the consumer, you bet your ass I would: its what they do.
And if I was the custom's agent, the judge, the policeman and someone threatened with an: its your children whom you can see in this webcam here in a white, lonely and cold room, or this shiny piece of 50k USD... I dont know about you, but I sure as hell would take the dough.
You see, I would advise you to try and understand how an entrepreneur thinks and strip yourself of any moral or humane value: thats the way narcs work. BTW, they got their style from politicians who do this all the time in both sides of the border.
There are no good and bad countries or inhabitants of countries in this "war" we are in. There are interests of large, large entrepreneurial groups, both american and mexican. The fact that the american economy is larger, only allows the american people to extend their hipocrisy longer than we can in Mexico. In the end it all becomes apparent, you see? The economic incentives of prohibition makes law enforcement agencies depend on it to justify their budgets. They no longer WANT to end the drug market: imagine that! they would be out of work. They just want to fight an endless war, take the money where the risk is low, shut down a narc-op when the risk of taking the dough or looking incompetent is high... perhaps even sharing the loss with your real bosses.
It is incredible to me when I listen to an american and he/she is absolutely OBVLIVIOUS about the kind of harm YOUR prohibition, drug policy and pattern of drug consumption is destroying MY country, and STILL have the nerve to come tell me that there is something morally wrong intrinsecally in my country.
You know, the only thing morally wrong, if any, is the love for dollars that the US has pushed down everyone's throat since its been a superpotence. THE DRUG WAR is a direct result of this, of globalization and open trade, of aspirational capitalism at its best and, you know what? I LOVE capitalism. Thats why drugs should be LEGAL everywhere.
So the USA provides narcs with a 60 billion illegal market without being a corrupt state?
Hell. Either the narcs are genious or law enforcement in the USA is really one of the worst trained in the world.
Since im not willing to believe in either of those, Im going to go with this thesis: narcs are very smart corporations that buy law enforcement official and beaurocrats in both sides of the border to accomplish their bussiness.
There has to be some VERY IMPORTANT corruption the states to be able to sell that ammount of illegal drugs in your streets. There just isnt any other way to accomplish that.
Ah, so there is no corruption in the states? Yeah right.
Nope bro, we get it from three distinct good sources: big cities are every bit as modern and productive as in say, brasil, portugal or chile (youd be surprised, believe me), so we have an important services industry in the cities.
Then we used to have a fuckload of oil. Used to bne the third largest producer of great oil. That went to hell because stupid and crooked politicians on the take gave it away instead of doing anything productive with it.
And then yes, theres the cash coming in from the people working in the first world.
And the pie is in this order: oil gives the most, money from abroad the second, internal market the third.
So there.
When I read religious fundamentalists yeah, i think the taliban.... and immediatly after I get an image of jerry fallwell.
In soviet russia, the queen saves god.... yeah... there is a chess joke there somewhere....