Once machines with Linux installed grace the shelves at your local computer super store, I'm going to say that Linux has good hardware support. It's that new hardware support that needs to be elevated to help along acceptance.
I'm looking at this from the perspective of somebody that has worked in large and medium sized organizations and realizes that they have a lot of diverse needs. I love Linux, it's my primary system of use, it doesn't have the inertia of Windows or the polish of OS X yet. I believe, like Linus, a lot more needs to be done for it to be a real contender.
I use Windows XP professional, Mac OS X and Redhat Professional WS 3 and Linux still isn't there and won't be for awhile. I don't think that anybody that claims that Linux can compete one to one now with the two other major options has a grasp on the complexity the diverse needs of business and individuals. One thing in my mind that needs to gel is one dominant environment. I'm talking about a common development toolset, libraries, GUI... etc One paradigm needs to rule the roost to provide commonality for developers. A big reason for the success of Windows and the Mac is tight rules for the way things work.
A lot of work needs to be done. A lot of integration and automation needs to be worked on to fill the needs of the common computer user, that would be the user that treats the computer as an appliance. Until I can just plug any hardware in and get the kind of support that Windows and Mac OS X provide for it Linux won't be challenging for real. My fear is that it might be hyped to much and those that try it now, and find it unacceptable, will be soured by the experience and be hesitant to try it again.
Must be why Intel has been writing software for Linux for several years now(including arguably the best compiler available for Linux). Did you just get off the boat?
Yeah, we all will have local access to all the data we could ever want. Bandwidth, like storage capacity, is increasing. Your logic is rather flawed, it assumes a static knowledge base and that you'd have already attained all the knowledge you need.
For good CS and EE people jobs aren't hard to find... they may not be what you want but they are there. New EE grads are getting hired and so are CS, though not nearly as quickly as EE grads. Right now companies can figure out whether or not you really know what you are talking about or if you are blowing smoke up people's asses. The biggest barrier though is getting noticed. Everybody that I know that has been laid off and found work again pretty much had inside help in getting noticed. It's hard to be noticed in a stack of 3000 resumes.
Did you or did you not answer the original question or did you in fact spout something irrlevant?
Why do you think that posting you have a right to post your opinions on here and it's a "contribution" but when others do the same thing, it's "irrelevent"?
I note that you did/could not answer that.
Ohhh, I can answer it...
I didn't say that you don't have a right to post your opinions and you can't prove that I did. I think you do have reading problems as you won't find me writing any such thing. A question was asked, instead of giving an answer you provided opinion on something irrelevant to the question. Go back and show that I said you couldn't write your opinion, it's quite impossible because it's false. I think you should stick to technical writing. A lot of people have supported people like Hitler, Stalin, etc.... I suppose they would've had good Karma from their supporters too. Slashdot is a popularity contest, not a bastion of logic and reason. I'm still not impressed by your Karma, I'm more impressed by what you represent when you take somebodies question as an opportunity to cheap shot... after all it was implied that they would do it to only complain about how slow FreeBSD was. You didn't at all try to address the question but warped it around to provide grounds for an attack. You're not on the level at all.
Wow, struck a chord. Sorry you couldn't counter with logic and facts. The person asked a question, you not only didn't answer the question, you've started flailing about and frothing. Tell me, what books have you authored that were published? I'll see about browsing through them at the bookstore to see if you are as impotent in your published work as you are on here. How Slashdot works isn't relevant to straight facts and logic. Remember to wipe up when done manually stimulating yourself over your Karma.
So I could comment on how silly it was to evaluate an OS under an emulator.
Your belief is irrelevant.
Why? I had points to make and their question gave me the opportunity to do so.
Your points are irrelevant, they didn't answer the question.
I pointed out that FreeBSD could just be put on a partition and that running it emulated would result in it being slow.
Once again, your reply was irrelevant.
So what have your postings contributed towards this discussion? Just what insightful comments have you made about FreeBSD in this thread?
My contribution was to point out that you made an irrelevant comment to the thread. The original question was emulator/VM to use to run FreeBSD on Linux, how did you contribute to a selection? If you really wanted to help you would've probed for more information. Please don't feign that you're being on the level.
Unlike you, I don't pretend to know what random strangers on Slashdot know, don't know, or believe.
Why did you respond with comments about not needing emulators then? The only logical reason for that is if you believed that they thought that FreeBSD needed to run under an emulator.
For instance, I don't know if they've considered just creating a partition for it on their disc or not. I don't know if they've only heard of it in the context of it being the basis for Apple's PowerPC OS-X.
You're being disengous, they asked a specific question, you could've responed with further questions if you were unclear.
So I volunteered information in a way that let me express my opinions on the efficacy of evaluating one OS by running it under another OS. I don't have to answer every post in the way that the writer desired. If that was how Slashdot worked, your replies to my posts would never have seen the light of day.
Your information didn't answer the question and was highly irrelevant.
/*original post >Which virtual machine/emulator is best for running >BSD5 on a Linux host on x86?
FreeBSD runs in native mode on an x86. There is no need for a VM or emulator. Just install it on a drive partition and it boots and runs. */
If you can read why are you telling he person that there in no need for a VM or emulator? Are you claiming to know that the person isn't aware of FreeBSD being x86 native? It's pretty obvious that they are asking a question about running FreeBSD under Linux, not about what architecture FreeBSD runs on.
You don't live in the real world apparently. Lot's of people run emulators so that they can test builds on multiple operating systems without having to have another machine running. I myself have run multiple operating systems under VMware on Linux. Your experience isn't the only experience and your claims of being a published author mean nothing. The very existance of WMWare and it's success show that there is a market for emulators.
Why are you asking Slashdot then? Why don't you go ahead and build your own distribution? Why don't you just burn a copy from an ftp server and modify it for yourself? I personally think that Redhat is providing something corporations want, they'll often stick with what works for a long time. If your company can support itself why are you asking this question?
A watch you say??? Holy cow, somebody should incorporate something like that into every other debugger out there... wait a minute, every debugger I've ever used has had watch points. I can only assume you are naive or were trying to go for a laugh.
One thing that I've come to find annoying is that there are a lot of things installed that I don't need or use. It's painful and time consuming to try to go through all the listed packages and figure out which ones you want or need. I've taken the approach of accepting the defaults and then turning off services I don't need and uninstalling them. If an app has a local security issue and I don't use it I unistall it. I don't have to worry about too many local root exploits though being the only user of my machine.
Yeah, I'll agree, it looks great. I had some weirdness like some rpms not installing correctly and a few other things that I didn't catalog when I ran it and just said to myself, wait for 8.2. I might grab 8.1 out of curiousity and hey, maybe it will be what I want.
Judging by the apache logs on my machines I'd say there are plenty of people quite clueless about code red or nimda to this day. I see thousands of hits/day from these two still and these have to be coming from machines that appear to be "normal".
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Once machines with Linux installed grace the shelves at your local computer super store, I'm going to say that Linux has good hardware support. It's that new hardware support that needs to be elevated to help along acceptance.
I'm looking at this from the perspective of somebody that has worked in large and medium sized organizations and realizes that they have a lot of diverse needs. I love Linux, it's my primary system of use, it doesn't have the inertia of Windows or the polish of OS X yet. I believe, like Linus, a lot more needs to be done for it to be a real contender.
I use Windows XP professional, Mac OS X and Redhat Professional WS 3 and Linux still isn't there and won't be for awhile. I don't think that anybody that claims that Linux can compete one to one now with the two other major options has a grasp on the complexity the diverse needs of business and individuals. One thing in my mind that needs to gel is one dominant environment. I'm talking about a common development toolset, libraries, GUI... etc One paradigm needs to rule the roost to provide commonality for developers. A big reason for the success of Windows and the Mac is tight rules for the way things work.
A lot of work needs to be done. A lot of integration and automation needs to be worked on to fill the needs of the common computer user, that would be the user that treats the computer as an appliance. Until I can just plug any hardware in and get the kind of support that Windows and Mac OS X provide for it Linux won't be challenging for real. My fear is that it might be hyped to much and those that try it now, and find it unacceptable, will be soured by the experience and be hesitant to try it again.
Must be why Intel has been writing software for Linux for several years now(including arguably the best compiler available for Linux). Did you just get off the boat?
Yeah, we all will have local access to all the data we could ever want. Bandwidth, like storage capacity, is increasing. Your logic is rather flawed, it assumes a static knowledge base and that you'd have already attained all the knowledge you need.
I didn't say they were. If you have what an employer is looking for you should be able to show them that.
For good CS and EE people jobs aren't hard to find... they may not be what you want but they are there. New EE grads are getting hired and so are CS, though not nearly as quickly as EE grads. Right now companies can figure out whether or not you really know what you are talking about or if you are blowing smoke up people's asses. The biggest barrier though is getting noticed. Everybody that I know that has been laid off and found work again pretty much had inside help in getting noticed. It's hard to be noticed in a stack of 3000 resumes.
As in cleaning the fish you hooked...
LOL... should I clean you now?
Had you said that to me in person, your ass would still be bleeding from having passed tooth fragments in your stool.
virtual threats.... hmmm a real loser...
Did you or did you not answer the original question or did you in fact spout something irrlevant?
Why do you think that posting you have a right to post your opinions on here and it's a "contribution" but when others do the same thing, it's "irrelevent"?
I note that you did/could not answer that.
Ohhh, I can answer it...
I didn't say that you don't have a right to post your opinions and you can't prove that I did. I think you do have reading problems as you won't find me writing any such thing. A question was asked, instead of giving an answer you provided opinion on something irrelevant to the question. Go back and show that I said you couldn't write your opinion, it's quite impossible because it's false. I think you should stick to technical writing. A lot of people have supported people like Hitler, Stalin, etc.... I suppose they would've had good Karma from their supporters too. Slashdot is a popularity contest, not a bastion of logic and reason. I'm still not impressed by your Karma, I'm more impressed by what you represent when you take somebodies question as an opportunity to cheap shot... after all it was implied that they would do it to only complain about how slow FreeBSD was. You didn't at all try to address the question but warped it around to provide grounds for an attack. You're not on the level at all.
Wow, struck a chord. Sorry you couldn't counter with logic and facts. The person asked a question, you not only didn't answer the question, you've started flailing about and frothing. Tell me, what books have you authored that were published? I'll see about browsing through them at the bookstore to see if you are as impotent in your published work as you are on here. How Slashdot works isn't relevant to straight facts and logic. Remember to wipe up when done manually stimulating yourself over your Karma.
So I could comment on how silly it was to evaluate an OS under an emulator.
Your belief is irrelevant.
Why? I had points to make and their question gave me the opportunity to do so.
Your points are irrelevant, they didn't answer the question.
I pointed out that FreeBSD could just be put on a partition and that running it emulated would result in it being slow.
Once again, your reply was irrelevant.
So what have your postings contributed towards this discussion? Just what insightful comments have you made about FreeBSD in this thread?
My contribution was to point out that you made an irrelevant comment to the thread. The original question was emulator/VM to use to run FreeBSD on Linux, how did you contribute to a selection? If you really wanted to help you would've probed for more information. Please don't feign that you're being on the level.
Unlike you, I don't pretend to know what random strangers on Slashdot know, don't know, or believe.
Why did you respond with comments about not needing emulators then? The only logical reason for that is if you believed that they thought that FreeBSD needed to run under an emulator.
For instance, I don't know if they've considered just creating a partition for it on their disc or not. I don't know if they've only heard of it in the context of it being the basis for Apple's PowerPC OS-X.
You're being disengous, they asked a specific question, you could've responed with further questions if you were unclear.
So I volunteered information in a way that let me express my opinions on the efficacy of evaluating one OS by running it under another OS. I don't have to answer every post in the way that the writer desired. If that was how Slashdot worked, your replies to my posts would never have seen the light of day.
Your information didn't answer the question and was highly irrelevant.
/*original post
>Which virtual machine/emulator is best for running >BSD5 on a Linux host on x86?
FreeBSD runs in native mode on an x86. There is no need for a VM or emulator. Just install it on a drive partition and it boots and runs.
*/
If you can read why are you telling he person that there in no need for a VM or emulator? Are you claiming to know that the person isn't aware of FreeBSD being x86 native? It's pretty obvious that they are asking a question about running FreeBSD under Linux, not about what architecture FreeBSD runs on.
You don't live in the real world apparently. Lot's of people run emulators so that they can test builds on multiple operating systems without having to have another machine running. I myself have run multiple operating systems under VMware on Linux. Your experience isn't the only experience and your claims of being a published author mean nothing. The very existance of WMWare and it's success show that there is a market for emulators.
Why are you asking Slashdot then? Why don't you go ahead and build your own distribution? Why don't you just burn a copy from an ftp server and modify it for yourself? I personally think that Redhat is providing something corporations want, they'll often stick with what works for a long time. If your company can support itself why are you asking this question?
Too bad you aren't a very smart BSD supporter. Learn to read and realize how stupid your response was.
Microsoft has a lot of copyrights in the code, nuff said
and it appeared in debuggers long before that.
A watch you say??? Holy cow, somebody should incorporate something like that into every other debugger out there... wait a minute, every debugger I've ever used has had watch points. I can only assume you are naive or were trying to go for a laugh.
One thing that I've come to find annoying is that there are a lot of things installed that I don't need or use. It's painful and time consuming to try to go through all the listed packages and figure out which ones you want or need. I've taken the approach of accepting the defaults and then turning off services I don't need and uninstalling them. If an app has a local security issue and I don't use it I unistall it. I don't have to worry about too many local root exploits though being the only user of my machine.
Yeah, I'll agree, it looks great. I had some weirdness like some rpms not installing correctly and a few other things that I didn't catalog when I ran it and just said to myself, wait for 8.2. I might grab 8.1 out of curiousity and hey, maybe it will be what I want.
Judging by the apache logs on my machines I'd say there are plenty of people quite clueless about code red or nimda to this day. I see thousands of hits/day from these two still and these have to be coming from machines that appear to be "normal".
I'm sure I'll enjoy 8.2 but until then 7.3 will have to do.