A dios me man, I don't know how the fuck you rolled your way into the semi's, but Liam and me...we gonna fuck you up!
And you pendeho, if you try any of that shit, you flash a piece out on the lanes...I gonna take it away from you...shove it up your ass and pull the fucking trigger till it goes *click*
Do you want to wait a week while the maintenance guy comes along to replace the failed node that held the records of your last deposit?
No, but I would love for them to lose my most recent withdrawal transaction that way I can keep taking money out of the bank and never have my balance go down...wheeeeeee!
Can you imagine what the Teamsters would do if companies started bringing in the equivalent of H1-B visa workers to drive trucks at below-normal wages?
Yes, force them to join the Teamsters Union. But since we (most of the Slashdot readership) do not drive trucks for a living this argument is a moot point.
If we had a union, do you think that Congress would have been able to pass legislation [dol.gov] that specifically exempted hourly computer professionals from receiving 1.5x overtime pay?
Part of falling being a professional is negotiating your contract with your employer. If you want overtime, ask for it. If they won't give you the hourly wage requested for overtime, you can always work your required 40 hours and be done with it. You can try and find another position that doesn't require as much overtime (although in this economy it might be damn near impossible) Or perhaps you could realize part of the job is being on-call. If you can't tak ethe heat get out of the kitchen. My job requires 24/7 on call response capability. I went into this with my eyes open. It's a bit late now to start complaining about work conditions you knowingly entered in to.
Do you think that a union would stand by idly while temp agencies regularly skimmed 30% and more off of the pay earned by immigrants and recent grads in the tech sector?
No. I believe they would be the "agency" who was skimming the 30% of the top. Of course, they call it union dues or some other such nonsense, but essentially it is the same thing.
You only need to look to School teachers to see what a mistake they made in forming a Union instead of treating their profession like other professionals do. Low wages, incompetent teachers can't be fired because of seniority. The list of problems goes on and on. I do not, nor will I ever need a Union rep to speak for me. I can speak for myself.
Do you believe that our industry would consistently lay off older, better-compensated workers only to replace them with recent grads if we had a union?
I have not seen this happen in my own experience, but perhaps it does. The side-effect however is that it becomes exponentially harder for someone to get into our field without "knowing someone" or having their uncle get them in. Personally, this was one of the most irritating aspects of unions. The whole good ole boy mentality that permeates their world is extremely sickening. I say this as an insider, someone who grew up in the Unions and someone who is still on the books a Union member (although it has been about 5 years since I paid Union dues.)
If you want to join a Union go work in a Unionized job. I'll fight you to the bitter end before I let you destroy my profession by unioniziing it.
Just take a look at the average software engineer's office and compare it to the offices of people in other jobs that require similar quantities of skill and education. Do you think that corporate attorneys regularly sit in cramped cubicles?
If you want a bigger office go ask for it. Asking for a Union to step in and negotiate office space for you is pretty needless. If you can't have a talk with your boss in a constructive way about your needs then I feel sorry for you. It seems like alot of nerdy types lack the people skills required to carry on normal human conversation. Placing a Union in front of you as a barrier to protect you from human interaction won't work. The union will take advantage of you and in the long run you and I and everyone else in the industry will lose out because of it.
Unions are a very, very, bad thing IMHO. Lawyers get big offices because they ask for them and heck, even demand them. If you are okay with wearing the suit and being more outwardly (read client) facing in your day to day life, perhaps a bigger office and some fancy suits are in order.
I would argue we need less overnight wonders with their ITT degree from Tech school in jeans and T-shirts making pompous demands and more 3 piece suit wearing prestigious college grades to keep the Professional namesake we all wish to tout. But then again, it is easy for an Ivy Leaguer to come off as a pompous jackass. I still none the less firmly believe we should require a more professional look and set standards within our professional via a professional organization (NOT a UNION!) as to who may claim the title of Software Engineer and who is a Programmer/Code Monkey.
You have no chance of survive. Make your time. Cats
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Mario leapt over barrels to save his girlfriend Paulina, not a princess. Donkey Kong had Mario saving Paulina from a rather large and unruly ape knwon as Donkey Kong.
As a resident of Staten Island I need to correct you. Staten Island has the most Green space of all 5 boroughs. Check the NYC parks dept. to verify. We have the Greenbelt, which is the largest preserve of natural land in NYC.
Cities can be great as well. Just this evening I was at Carnegie Hall listening to live Jazz and friggin Chevy Chase was sitting next to me. How often do people living in the boonies get to discuss Modern Jazz with Chevy Chase?
I would never have met my girlfriend if I didn't live in a big city. She's from the boonies in Japan (although, since they held the world cup close to her home town I wonder how long it will remain boonies.) The odds of me meeting some Japanese chick on the other side of the friggin planet would be slim to nil if she hadn't moved to a big Merikan city.
I grew up in NYC and have been exposed to a plethora of cultures my entire life. I can eat cuisine from dozens of countries whenever I want. I can go to plays, see musicians perform and even catch the Mets game on the same day if I want to.
Cities have alot of problems and they are not perfect, but they do offer quite a bit of stuff for the taking if you are willing to put up with the negatives.
Besides, when I want to hunt or fish or backpack I go to the big mo'fo upstate new york area that is but a few hours away by rail or car.
yep,but Congress is just as eager to trample our fundamental rights in order to get re-elected for being "tough on terrorists" and the slack jawed yokels of amerika will be just as willing to re-elect them when the time comes.
We sell our rights away day by day and soon we will ALL be up against the wall.
Lest anyone think I am a red or a liberal, nay my friends I am not affiliated with any politcal ideology other than that of personal freedom. My personal freedom should go unchecked until it interferes with another persons freedom. So I should be allowed to own a friggin howitzer as long as I do not go and blow craters in my neighbors yard or endanger his kids with my test firing of said howitzer.
People might think this is Libertarian, but I rather think it is called common sense.
I agree. From now on hamster powered engines equipped with free-range unionized hamsters will be the norm. We should implement this immediately or dire consequences will result.
If we give the military all the weapons and the citizens get none of the weapons then we run into a problem when the government decides to overstep it's boundaries.
Besides, Joe Schmoe, as you so eloquently put it, IS the Army. I enjoy target shooting and hunting and I think if you do not want to own a weapon, that is your right. But please, do not go and try to take my right to do something I enjoy in a safe and perfectly normal manner away from me.
Guns and rifles and any other tool that can also be used destructively are harmless in and of themselves. They require education and a healthy respect for safety, but I strongly disagree that I should not be allowed to own a rifle because you feel uncomfortable about it.
It is all the idiots out there who leave loaded unlocked weapons around for their kids to play with, or point weapons at people they do not intend to shoot that are a real problem.
I think requiring mandatory education for anyone possessing a gun is a much more reasonable solution.
Can't pass the training that proves you are capable of handling a firearm, then sorry you do not get to have one. But I think most people are able to learn the responsibility assocated with a firearm. If they weren't, we would not have a military or a police force (and yes they are exceptions to the rule in those cases, I've seen that first hand.)
Everyone knows Twinkie the Kid is the antichrist!
Don't let his delectable cream filling throw you off. One day we'll all be under his delicious reign of terror!
I harbor no [sic] "resentiment" towards gnu utilities, but I disagree with the GNU GPL licensing. People should be allowed to commercialize their code if they want (even if their code is a derivative work of someone elses code). BSD let's you do this. As for whose utilities are better, that's personal preference.
I seem to recall vectran fibers coming out a short while ago as a by product of NASA development. Now all of us bike weenies can spend mucho bucks on vectran fiber spoked wheels.
NASA still has a purpose to provide marketing terms to niche market, boutique shop hobbyists.
Terms like Space-Age material and Developed by NASA for the space program still have marketability points with the boutique crowd.
Microwave weapons act similar to flame throwers.
They cook you. Weapons like this should be banned.
If we all went back to fighting hand to hand with blade weapons we would have less wars. People don't want to fight if it means they put they're own ass on the line. I say make it harder to fight, not easier. Increase the peace.
If you write a "killer app" at home, on your own time, with your own equipment and the knowledge required to create such a product has nothing to do with your companies business, i.e.-You write a wonder-widget for sound systems and you work for a financial institution. They do NOT own your invention. Will you have to fight it in court? Yes. Will you win? Well, how much money will you invest in a Johnny Cochran or Lee Bailey?
I'll remember this the next time I buy a race car.
I'll be sure to concentrate on things like the door handles and the little twiddly knobs on the dashboard rather than the engine, the headers, exhaust system. That way I'll keep RMS happy.
See the kernel is the engine, without the kernel you have a collection of utilities that are completely useless.
I'm thinking perhaps we should use the BSD licensed utils and tell RMS to shove his GNU/Utilities up his GNU/ass.
Why not mention IE? IE seems to be stable and functional under Windows2k. I run Linux on one box and Win2k on another. They both have relatively similar uptimes. IE is by far the best browser available currently. Konqueror is nice, but I do not see too many plugins available for the linux platform. I use my linux box as a server and firewall. My Win2k box is my documentation/development box. Both work fine. I fail to see why everyone is so damn rabid about one or the other. I just use what ever works and gets my intended job done. I have no politcal ambitions, no hidden intents when I decide to pick up a piece of commercial software. I also have no "stick it to the man" ideology when I decide on using a piece of free software.
I really fail to see where and why all this politcal b.s. got started. It is not "us" against "them." There is no us and there is no them.
I think that this is where the fundamental distinction between a Software Engineer and a Computer Programmer comes into play.
Software can, and should, be a defined process with specific inputs mapping to specific outputs.
It should be, but most of the time, it isn't.
This is quite unfortunate. We wouldn't have so much crap out on the market if we required software to be a rigorous formal process.
Art is for tall skinny guys in berets with black turtlenecks and girlfriends with funny accents who are lesbian.
Computer Science has artistic elements to it, as do all sciences, but Software Engineering, the act of producing a viable product, is just another manufacturing process. Yes, there are definite design considerations that are left to the individual, but at the end of the day it should be as cold and sterile as Cmdr. Taco.
BA == not an engineer
BS == you're a scientist dude
BSE, BE == you're an engineer, here's the obligatory pocket protector.
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Considering the Jesus don't even give a fuck how to pronounce his name properly, why should I give a fuck how to spell?
P.S. - Eat my sack you crusty little maggot...tu madre es puta!
It don't matter to the Jesus!
A dios me man, I don't know how the fuck you rolled your way into the semi's, but Liam and me...we gonna fuck you up!
And you pendeho, if you try any of that shit, you flash a piece out on the lanes...I gonna take it away from you...shove it up your ass and pull the fucking trigger till it goes *click*
"Jesus..."
You said it man...nobody fucks with the Jesus...
No, but I would love for them to lose my most recent withdrawal transaction that way I can keep taking money out of the bank and never have my balance go down...wheeeeeee!
Yes, force them to join the Teamsters Union. But since we (most of the Slashdot readership) do not drive trucks for a living this argument is a moot point.
Part of falling being a professional is negotiating your contract with your employer. If you want overtime, ask for it. If they won't give you the hourly wage requested for overtime, you can always work your required 40 hours and be done with it. You can try and find another position that doesn't require as much overtime (although in this economy it might be damn near impossible) Or perhaps you could realize part of the job is being on-call. If you can't tak ethe heat get out of the kitchen. My job requires 24/7 on call response capability. I went into this with my eyes open. It's a bit late now to start complaining about work conditions you knowingly entered in to.
No. I believe they would be the "agency" who was skimming the 30% of the top. Of course, they call it union dues or some other such nonsense, but essentially it is the same thing.
You only need to look to School teachers to see what a mistake they made in forming a Union instead of treating their profession like other professionals do. Low wages, incompetent teachers can't be fired because of seniority. The list of problems goes on and on. I do not, nor will I ever need a Union rep to speak for me. I can speak for myself.
I have not seen this happen in my own experience, but perhaps it does. The side-effect however is that it becomes exponentially harder for someone to get into our field without "knowing someone" or having their uncle get them in. Personally, this was one of the most irritating aspects of unions. The whole good ole boy mentality that permeates their world is extremely sickening. I say this as an insider, someone who grew up in the Unions and someone who is still on the books a Union member (although it has been about 5 years since I paid Union dues.)
If you want to join a Union go work in a Unionized job. I'll fight you to the bitter end before I let you destroy my profession by unioniziing it.
If you want a bigger office go ask for it. Asking for a Union to step in and negotiate office space for you is pretty needless. If you can't have a talk with your boss in a constructive way about your needs then I feel sorry for you. It seems like alot of nerdy types lack the people skills required to carry on normal human conversation. Placing a Union in front of you as a barrier to protect you from human interaction won't work. The union will take advantage of you and in the long run you and I and everyone else in the industry will lose out because of it.
Unions are a very, very, bad thing IMHO. Lawyers get big offices because they ask for them and heck, even demand them. If you are okay with wearing the suit and being more outwardly (read client) facing in your day to day life, perhaps a bigger office and some fancy suits are in order.
I would argue we need less overnight wonders with their ITT degree from Tech school in jeans and T-shirts making pompous demands and more 3 piece suit wearing prestigious college grades to keep the Professional namesake we all wish to tout. But then again, it is easy for an Ivy Leaguer to come off as a pompous jackass. I still none the less firmly believe we should require a more professional look and set standards within our professional via a professional organization (NOT a UNION!) as to who may claim the title of Software Engineer and who is a Programmer/Code Monkey.
Regards,
Network connection pings YOU!
Back to 1960.
You have no chance of survive. Make your time.
Cats
Mario leapt over barrels to save his girlfriend Paulina, not a princess. Donkey Kong had Mario saving Paulina from a rather large and unruly ape knwon as Donkey Kong.
Just a piece of Nintendo trivia.
As a resident of Staten Island I need to correct you. Staten Island has the most Green space of all 5 boroughs. Check the NYC parks dept. to verify. We have the Greenbelt, which is the largest preserve of natural land in NYC.
Just throw some variables and control structures into regexp and we'll have a full-blown extremely cryptic language.
/runaway!
You just described AWK.
Hey,
Cities can be great as well. Just this evening I was at Carnegie Hall listening to live Jazz and friggin Chevy Chase was sitting next to me. How often do people living in the boonies get to discuss Modern Jazz with Chevy Chase?
I would never have met my girlfriend if I didn't live in a big city. She's from the boonies in Japan (although, since they held the world cup close to her home town I wonder how long it will remain boonies.) The odds of me meeting some Japanese chick on the other side of the friggin planet would be slim to nil if she hadn't moved to a big Merikan city.
I grew up in NYC and have been exposed to a plethora of cultures my entire life. I can eat cuisine from dozens of countries whenever I want. I can go to plays, see musicians perform and even catch the Mets game on the same day if I want to.
Cities have alot of problems and they are not perfect, but they do offer quite a bit of stuff for the taking if you are willing to put up with the negatives.
Besides, when I want to hunt or fish or backpack I go to the big mo'fo upstate new york area that is but a few hours away by rail or car.
Later.
yep,but Congress is just as eager to trample our fundamental rights in order to get re-elected for being "tough on terrorists" and the slack jawed yokels of amerika will be just as willing to re-elect them when the time comes.
We sell our rights away day by day and soon we will ALL be up against the wall.
Lest anyone think I am a red or a liberal, nay my friends I am not affiliated with any politcal ideology other than that of personal freedom. My personal freedom should go unchecked until it interferes with another persons freedom. So I should be allowed to own a friggin howitzer as long as I do not go and blow craters in my neighbors yard or endanger his kids with my test firing of said howitzer.
People might think this is Libertarian, but I rather think it is called common sense.
I agree. From now on hamster powered engines equipped with free-range unionized hamsters will be the norm. We should implement this immediately or dire consequences will result.
You have been warned.
peace.
If we give the military all the weapons and the citizens get none of the weapons then we run into a problem when the government decides to overstep it's boundaries.
Besides, Joe Schmoe, as you so eloquently put it, IS the Army. I enjoy target shooting and hunting and I think if you do not want to own a weapon, that is your right. But please, do not go and try to take my right to do something I enjoy in a safe and perfectly normal manner away from me.
Guns and rifles and any other tool that can also be used destructively are harmless in and of themselves. They require education and a healthy respect for safety, but I strongly disagree that I should not be allowed to own a rifle because you feel uncomfortable about it.
It is all the idiots out there who leave loaded unlocked weapons around for their kids to play with, or point weapons at people they do not intend to shoot that are a real problem.
I think requiring mandatory education for anyone possessing a gun is a much more reasonable solution.
Can't pass the training that proves you are capable of handling a firearm, then sorry you do not get to have one. But I think most people are able to learn the responsibility assocated with a firearm. If they weren't, we would not have a military or a police force (and yes they are exceptions to the rule in those cases, I've seen that first hand.)
Peace.
Watch it Bub! In desparation I have submitted my resume to Microsoft. They probably won't hire me, but at this point I'm willing to code for anybody!
By the way, anyone need a Software Developer in the NYC area?
Everyone knows Twinkie the Kid is the antichrist!
Don't let his delectable cream filling throw you off. One day we'll all be under his delicious reign of terror!
I harbor no [sic] "resentiment" towards gnu utilities, but I disagree with the GNU GPL licensing. People should be allowed to commercialize their code if they want (even if their code is a derivative work of someone elses code). BSD let's you do this. As for whose utilities are better, that's personal preference.
One word Religion.
Don't even get me started.
I seem to recall vectran fibers coming out a short while ago as a by product of NASA development. Now all of us bike weenies can spend mucho bucks on vectran fiber spoked wheels.
NASA still has a purpose to provide marketing terms to niche market, boutique shop hobbyists.
Terms like Space-Age material and Developed by NASA for the space program still have marketability points with the boutique crowd.
Anyway...
Microwave weapons act similar to flame throwers.
They cook you. Weapons like this should be banned.
If we all went back to fighting hand to hand with blade weapons we would have less wars. People don't want to fight if it means they put they're own ass on the line. I say make it harder to fight, not easier. Increase the peace.
Hmmm....
If you write a "killer app" at home, on your own time, with your own equipment and the knowledge required to create such a product has nothing to do with your companies business, i.e.-You write a wonder-widget for sound systems and you work for a financial institution. They do NOT own your invention. Will you have to fight it in court? Yes. Will you win? Well, how much money will you invest in a Johnny Cochran or Lee Bailey?
Who gives a fuck about karma on slashdot?
Only sissy sluts.
FUCK YOU MODERATORS!
Shouldn't they be checking the timestamps anyway?
ISn't a moderators responsibility to do a good job and leave that $3 crack alone?
Oh wait...nevermind...
I'll remember this the next time I buy a race car.
I'll be sure to concentrate on things like the door handles and the little twiddly knobs on the dashboard rather than the engine, the headers, exhaust system. That way I'll keep RMS happy.
See the kernel is the engine, without the kernel you have a collection of utilities that are completely useless.
I'm thinking perhaps we should use the BSD licensed utils and tell RMS to shove his GNU/Utilities up his GNU/ass.
Why not mention IE? IE seems to be stable and functional under Windows2k. I run Linux on one box and Win2k on another. They both have relatively similar uptimes. IE is by far the best browser available currently. Konqueror is nice, but I do not see too many plugins available for the linux platform. I use my linux box as a server and firewall. My Win2k box is my documentation/development box. Both work fine. I fail to see why everyone is so damn rabid about one or the other. I just use what ever works and gets my intended job done. I have no politcal ambitions, no hidden intents when I decide to pick up a piece of commercial software. I also have no "stick it to the man" ideology when I decide on using a piece of free software.
I really fail to see where and why all this politcal b.s. got started. It is not "us" against "them." There is no us and there is no them.
Regards,
cats
I think that this is where the fundamental distinction between a Software Engineer and a Computer Programmer comes into play.
Software can, and should, be a defined process with specific inputs mapping to specific outputs.
It should be, but most of the time, it isn't.
This is quite unfortunate. We wouldn't have so much crap out on the market if we required software to be a rigorous formal process.
Art is for tall skinny guys in berets with black turtlenecks and girlfriends with funny accents who are lesbian.
Computer Science has artistic elements to it, as do all sciences, but Software Engineering, the act of producing a viable product, is just another manufacturing process. Yes, there are definite design considerations that are left to the individual, but at the end of the day it should be as cold and sterile as Cmdr. Taco.
BA == not an engineer
BS == you're a scientist dude
BSE, BE == you're an engineer, here's the obligatory pocket protector.
Regards,