This has been fun. I have frequented the forums for a while now and have never really posted anything other than brief comments here and there but this one I thought I would go at it full board. Thanks for replies and you are all right. My response has been short and to the point with many technicalities left out because it was a spur of the moment post. That's what makes this fun and able to enjoy everyone elses take on matters. As far as OS X being FreeBSD is absurd and I should have stated that more correctly in that it is derived from FreeBSD. It is as close to FreeBSD as Linux is to UNIX as well as OS X is UNIX. Stating that open source is just plain more secure is an obvious over-simplification. But the fact is that open source applications, especially the Linux kernel has a better chance of being more secure with more eyes on the code world-wide. For somone to call Windows and Mac users my opponents is funny as well. I dont have opponents in the computer world. I support all of them. I have built fairly complex web server environments on both Linux and Windows. I have had to support Mac users in a graphics environment and have enjoyed it all. I like to express opinions as well as listen to them. And when I said "idiots" it meant that an entirely graphical Operating System to me and to most SysAdmins is a limitation more than a benefit. If you are a user of the operating system it is better through and through. In other words, at times, GUI OSes are "idiot proof" not that only idiots use them. In fact, I want to buy a Mac for my own personal use but I cant afford one for one. In the end, my statements were just as short and rash as the original statement. I am sure you have already read this but check this out as well http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/unix/
I thought that this sub-thread was so stupid that it was not worthy of a response but this list of incredible flaws in Linux that are supposedly fixed in OS X or Windows is so ridiculous, I just had to respond. 1. More secure? Not true. All Operating Systems have problems, closed sources Operating Systems have more problems than others becuase there are fewer people viewing and fixing the bugs and other problems. An Operating System's security depends greatly on the configuration and administration not that is is created or modified by a certain company. 2. Not true either. Speed depends on configuration and administration. Mac's are tuned for certain things where Linux can be tuned in any cofiguration you so desire. 3. More advanced or aged only because it is running a version of FreeBSD which is so close to linux how can you call it anything but *NIX? 4. Built for idiots that rather the computer maintain control. I, on the otherhand, like to control my computer. 5. Linux is backed by many successful companies such as IBM, Novell, Redhat, etc., etc as well as a world of seasoned programmers. 6. See above. Open source programming does not mean amateurs. Most of the open source programmers are seasoned vets that work full time for large companies. 7. Most of OS X is open source because it is Free BSD. Note the "Free" part of that. (see http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/copyright.html) 7. (you probably meant 8 right?) See above statements. OS X is mostly FreeBSD which means they do not own the code. The GUI, they own, but so what. The kernel is still UNIX!
If the list goes on I would like to see it because this preliminary list is bogus.
Looking at what Google is now offering, gmail, google news, google search, and now google maps, they are the best of services out there right now. I dont see any reason for using any other comparable services. I used to use maps at yahoo because they were using FreeBSD servers. Googles mapping seems to be far superior and they are using Linux servers! I have never used any other search engine, so I guess I can say I am suomewhat spoiled. Mail is the best! 1 GB of storage. News, wow!
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This has been fun. I have frequented the forums for a while now and have never really posted anything other than brief comments here and there but this one I thought I would go at it full board. Thanks for replies and you are all right. My response has been short and to the point with many technicalities left out because it was a spur of the moment post. That's what makes this fun and able to enjoy everyone elses take on matters.
As far as OS X being FreeBSD is absurd and I should have stated that more correctly in that it is derived from FreeBSD. It is as close to FreeBSD as Linux is to UNIX as well as OS X is UNIX.
Stating that open source is just plain more secure is an obvious over-simplification. But the fact is that open source applications, especially the Linux kernel has a better chance of being more secure with more eyes on the code world-wide.
For somone to call Windows and Mac users my opponents is funny as well. I dont have opponents in the computer world. I support all of them. I have built fairly complex web server environments on both Linux and Windows. I have had to support Mac users in a graphics environment and have enjoyed it all. I like to express opinions as well as listen to them. And when I said "idiots" it meant that an entirely graphical Operating System to me and to most SysAdmins is a limitation more than a benefit. If you are a user of the operating system it is better through and through. In other words, at times, GUI OSes are "idiot proof" not that only idiots use them. In fact, I want to buy a Mac for my own personal use but I cant afford one for one.
In the end, my statements were just as short and rash as the original statement.
I am sure you have already read this but check this out as well http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/unix/
Also, take a look at this especially under the heading "BSD": http://www.kernelthread.com/mac/osx/arch_xnu.html
Thanks.
Actually its now aptitude install security-officer...
I thought that this sub-thread was so stupid that it was not worthy of a response but this list of incredible flaws in Linux that are supposedly fixed in OS X or Windows is so ridiculous, I just had to respond.
7. (you probably meant 8 right?) See above statements. OS X is mostly FreeBSD which means they do not own the code. The GUI, they own, but so what. The kernel is still UNIX!
1. More secure? Not true. All Operating Systems have problems, closed sources Operating Systems have more problems than others becuase there are fewer people viewing and fixing the bugs and other problems. An Operating System's security depends greatly on the configuration and administration not that is is created or modified by a certain company.
2. Not true either. Speed depends on configuration and administration. Mac's are tuned for certain things where Linux can be tuned in any cofiguration you so desire.
3. More advanced or aged only because it is running a version of FreeBSD which is so close to linux how can you call it anything but *NIX?
4. Built for idiots that rather the computer maintain control. I, on the otherhand, like to control my computer.
5. Linux is backed by many successful companies such as IBM, Novell, Redhat, etc., etc as well as a world of seasoned programmers.
6. See above. Open source programming does not mean amateurs. Most of the open source programmers are seasoned vets that work full time for large companies.
7. Most of OS X is open source because it is Free BSD. Note the "Free" part of that. (see http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/copyright.html)
If the list goes on I would like to see it because this preliminary list is bogus.
Looking at what Google is now offering, gmail, google news, google search, and now google maps, they are the best of services out there right now. I dont see any reason for using any other comparable services.
I used to use maps at yahoo because they were using FreeBSD servers. Googles mapping seems to be far superior and they are using Linux servers!
I have never used any other search engine, so I guess I can say I am suomewhat spoiled.
Mail is the best! 1 GB of storage.
News, wow!