Yeah... I LOVE PHP but I have to agree. Without a web server, PHP is still pretty good but it just doesn't scale. Now if he said PERL was as scaleable, Id say he was a bit closer.
Well, Einstein, cross platform is the key to adoption of a development language; if I have to use a different language for every friiggin platform, I'm gonna naturally lean towards one that I can develop for MULTIPLE platforms in... thus saving ma and the company time and money.
Now in case you didn't notice this, companies like to save money. And in case you are not human and are some sort of protozoic life form that has yet to crawl from the primordial ooze, humans like to save time.
As for coding in BASIC since you were 9... allow me to congratulate you. You can now only write bad code on Microsoft... which is kind of redundant when you think about it. Oh. but I'm sorry... thinking about it is something you have failed to do thus far. I'm probably taxing your mental faculties.
BASIC is useless and why Microsoft chose to create a language in BASIC is beyond me. Thank the imaginary deity that be that no one else has sunk to such lows.
I get the joke. You are comparing BASIC to machine language. That's funny.
10 while($incoherent){ 20 goto 10 30 }
Yeah, machine language still has use... I wouldn't argue that. But my point was about basic being old and useless... not just old. Besides, Visual Basic isn't even cross browser compliant. Give it up.
First off, MONO is beta and mod_mono is not yet released so yes, it is MS centric. Also, the fact that MS can change the code base at any time and make MONO or mod_mono useless also shows it is MS centric. Can you get c# to run on Macs? How about BSD? How about Linux? Sun? I can get PERL, PHP, C++ and javascript to all work equally well.
And yes, MS does claim to support other databases but have you ever tried to implement for them. You'd be surprised how many errors, glitches and problems you will have... but for some reason, it works GREAT with SQL Server. Also, good luck with getting and ODBC-to-ODBC bridge... costs an extra $3000 from a seperate vendor whereas I can always use MyODBC to take care of that problem. I know you have read the manuals and think it hooks up flawlessly to database systems but let me tell you first hand that it does not and has some serious issues... you'll find out when you have to develop for DB2, Progress, PostGres or even MySQL.
Yes they have added better support for Oracle... whoop di doo. Only took them HOW LONG to support the most widely used enterprise level RDBMS? Too long. Should I jump up and down because they FINALLY support Oracle FULLY?
And even though you say that they use a version of ECMAscript that is the same as Javascript, it's not the same; they use MS specific extensions and tags in alot of the code base. Also, it doesn't render the same in Opera, Mozilla, Konquerer and IE. If it was as good as Javascript, it would render the same in them all! You may think it does but it doesn't... even with browser detection and other considerations. Using javascript, my code looks the same on ALL browsers.
As for spaghetti code, thats not to be blamed on a language, that's blamed on a programmer and you should know better. And PHP isn't the only tool in the box. PERL is a million times better than anything MS could ever produce!
And again, you avoid the entire issue of how MS is trying to get developers to move away from cross platform compatible code and tools and move to a platform centric set of tools to develop platform centric code (get c#, asp.net to work perfectly on Mac, BSD, Linux and then we'll talk) to lock users in all the more.
I use Java, Perl, PHP, MySQL, javascript and never have had a problem. I currently use a Linux box and a Windows box for servers and my code works BEAUTIFULLY on both; I often switch my code from one to the other for testing and implementation. I even had the head Microsoft consultant in my office 2 weeks ago as I'm right across campus from them and he couldn't even make a case as to how.NET was better than current tools.
You say ASP.NET is the same... but it doesn't work the same... it works worse. Code built should work the same in all browsers and be W3C compliant instead of adding browser specific extensions and making it render differently in other browsers.
You say it's database support is good... but it isn't... it's sub par. Yes most databases have an ODBC driver but.NET doesn't like to work with them and they make it near impossible to try to.
I do not shun it because it is made by Microsoft, I shun it because it has yet to show how it is better than current tools. I shun it because it attempts further lockin by causing developers to become dependent upon a proprietary set of tools which ARE platform centric.
I know you are shaking your head but they are... again, you build me something using C# on Mac, you build me something in Visual Basic for BSD, you build me something in Jscript/ASP.NET and make it work on Konquerer and then we'll talk. Until then, it is a platform centric attempt to replace non-proprietary development tools and further lockin developers and hence customers into the Microsoft OS.
Ok... I happen to work for a company with VERY close ies to Microsoft and am in an office across the street from the main campus in Redmond. They won't let me run Linux as a result of our relationship but I did get them to let me use Apache, MySQL and PHP. And not once have I ever had a problem... even on a Windows machine and even having to compile my own code at times.
And why would that be? Because I don't base the vast majority of my knowledge on a language like Visual Basic which was based upon a language that was old back when I was using an Apple IIe.
A bit of advice? Try basing your 'expertise' upon a foundation of languages like a compiled language, a server side scripting language, a client side scripting language, some database experience and even some networking experience and then maybe your opinion will matter the next time you open your trap.
Yes Microsoft has their own version called Jscript. Is it better? No. But again, the whole point is cross browser compliancy. Say I write your business a ton of scripts in ASP and C# and 6 months later, they decide to move everything over to a Linux Cluster with an Oracle Progress backend.
Will that code execute. No. Will it with MONO? Maybe. Without some coordination between the project and Microsoft, can you ever be guaranteed that that code base will always work? no. Will it support the database? Not likely. Etc etc.
Can you guarantee support for Progress from ASP? Not likely. Microsoft also does not like to build products that support non-Microsoft products and even then, they dreag their feet and take their time building that support into it (and even then it is severely bugged).
PHP supports loads of databases. Javascript has similar syntax to C and C++ as well as java. Java has been shown to be stable and cross platform.
Microsoft has not provided an improvement with.NET, they have not created anything revolutionary. They merely created similar and less reliable and less flexible tools to lock developers into one platform.
If you lock the developers into one platform, you can guarantee that people who want to use those apps and tools they develop will be further locked in. It's all just part of the Microsoft plan.
Lock in the developers that develop the tools to lock people into the OS. And engineering and development is NOT about lock in... it is about having the widest amount of options so that you have room to grow and develop. The fewer options you have and you will find yourself crippled and dependent upon your technological drug dealer.
Choosing.NET is not a decision about what is better in the long run for the web and for end users and developers... it is about what is convenient and best for Microsoft. And programming is not about convenience otherwise the entire web would be exporting from word docs to HTML and become a bloated piece of crap.
Yes yes....NET exists server side but Visual Basic is CLIENT SIDE! Regardless of how you do it, it still is going to try and send Visual Basic code to your brwser which does not work on any other system! So NO... it doesn't!
The whole idea behind web delivery is to make it viewable by everyone and to do that you have to make use OPEN STANDARDS and make things CROSS PLATFORM... two things Microsuck refuses to do. It wants to create it's own standards, it wants to be the ONLY platform. As a result, you stand the chance of neglecting 10% of your customers at all times.
Stick with Javascript. It works great on ALL browsers. Hell, for that matter stick with open standards and cross platform development tools... they'll NEVER let you down.:)
Left in the dust? Please, b1tch. C++ and Java can be used on ANY platform. Working on any platform means more jobs for me.:)
Here's a question for you? What are software apps built in? What was Windows built in? What was Oracle built in? What was Photoshop, Half-life, and a million other programs out there built in? Well gee... it sure as hell wasn't.NET.
Right now Apache is the number one web server on the market. Why? Because it's stable, easy to configure and maintain AND it works on all platforms. Does Visual Basic.NET work with my Mozilla browser running on Linux?
See, the whole reason behind things being database driven and web delivered was so that they reach as many people who want those services. If your development language doesn't deliver to them, your tool is broken.
Using cross platform compatible languages that conform to industry standards means that you reach the maximum numbers of customers possible.
And.NET,.Don't
So you take your.NET skills and compare against all those looking for C++ and all those looking for Java. I think you'll be suprised as to what companies expect; for the most part, they want you to know the standards (C++,Java, etc) but they want a familiarity with some.NET stuff. Just a familiarity. You know why? Because they don't plan to lean to heavy on it. It is not a foundation.
You'll learn soon enough when you leave your Microsoft bubble and have to compete in the real world market.
Yep... they brought together a version of Java (I do like C#), they brought in ASP which hasn't been updated since 97, and the brought in a whole bunch of other outdated useless crap like Visual Basic and other things that only apply or work on Windows machines.
PHP is more versatile and faster and stable than ASP, Visual Basic was archaic even when it was created (who writes in basic anymore?) and the rest is cheap rips offs of java that only work on a windows platform.
The only nice thing is C# which combines the best of java and C++ in alot of ways.
Quite honestly, a developer who actually develops can do just about everything that.NET does with tools that are cross platform and make it more stable, faster and work on various platforms... and it doesn't take them much longer.
Yawn... oh no. An anonymous bastard insults me. Boo hoo.
Well tell you what, wonder bread, when you can get proprietary software from a redmond based firm to be cross platform compatible and to work well with other products, then you come on back and tell me what choices you have.
Does.NET work on any other platform? No (but the people behind mono might disagree). Does SQL Server work on any other platform? No. Does IIS? No.
The very idea behind the internet was to SHARE information... not tie it all into one platform so one company could try to OWN the internet.
Next time you find your head up your ass, I suggest giving a good hard tug.
P2P is not going anywhere. The old media companies just have to come up with a new business model. Thus far their business model is 'sue the hell out of everyone'.
My source says - June 19[2001] Red Hat announces profitability one year ahead of Wall Street's forecasts. Where is your source?
Redhat.com you moron. Keep reading on down the same page
Actually I said that Linux has grown by 20% (15 to 18 Million). I don't consider that meager.
But you do not show the comparison to Windows market share which was what this whole discussion was about you tard.
I would point out that 1% for Microsoft is a much larger number than even 100% for Linux on the desktop. Microsoft sold like 7 million units of XP in the first two weeks.
That's total market comparison you dolt. Microsoft gained 1% of total market while Linux gained 8%. Do you even understand basic math?
Holy cow that is some bad, bad math. You can just add different types of percentages like that. One is growth and one is market share.
Oh... now he understand math. Or so he thinks. Both stats are total market share. God you get dumber by the second I swear.
Apple never had a lead. What market dominance?
Oh really, I guess that's why Apple got pulled in front of the court for having a monopoly. I guess that's why Microsoft worked for Apple for a time. I guess thats why Microsoft had to steal the Windows idea from Apple. God, you are so dumb you don't even know the basics history behind PC's.
Y'know... I could sit here and show you how you put your foot in your mouth all day but sometimes you just have to admit there are some animals that can't be trained and need to be put down.
You left out the fact that I state 'almost' and 'nearly' when rounding up to signify a discrepancy from actual statistics and that my number are in fact an approximation.
You don't even imply that. You state clearly that Microsoft has grown 4% in web server share since 2001...NOT that they have fallen 11% since 2002! You just conveniently leave that out.
Which proves my point entirely. That NEARLY (are you ready that... you see where I said nearly this time. Try to make a note of it) 3 years can change data dramatically. Hell even one year can show an 11 percent loss for Microsoft.
So again my point is that though you use data from 2001, it proves nothing. Though you state that Microsoft IIS has increased on servers 4%, it has ACTUALLY DECREASED 11 PERCENT!
Take your FUD elsewhere boy cause we ain't buying.
Yeah... I noticed you conveniently left out the fact that they fell nearly 11 percent since March of 2002. How convenient.
You wouldn't compare to March of 2002 if you wanted to show growth, you'd compare to a much later date like 2001 so it looked like there was a growth in the company instead of a decline.
And those points are percentage points. So yes, you are saying 4%... what they hell did you think that stood for? 4 chickens?
Now you can see that Microsoft made a gain until March of 2002 and since then, they have made a loss of nearly 11 percent!! That 4% gain you keep quoting is actually an 11 percent loss... thus showing how much can change in NEARLY 3 years (which has been my point all along).
I like the way you try to spin this to make it look like a 4% gain. Are you sure you don't work for Microsoft?
No they didn't you tard. IIS gained up til March of 2002 when it had 34% of the market. Since then it has plummeted 11%. Though you try to spin this so that it looks like a 4% gain since 2001, it is actually an 11% LOSS since 2002!
Care to reply on the fact that you keep referring to an 11 percent market loss as a 4 percent gain?:)
Nice spin by the way. Still a fact... only with a warped view of the outcome. I suppose you tell your girlfriend that because your penis has grown 2 inches in 5 minutes, in an hour you'll be able to please her.
You try to claim I use fuzzy math when you are the one who pointed out Microsoft had a 4% growth since 2001 when in fact it was actually an 11% fall from March of 2002:)
Which goes further to prove my point how NEARLY (pay attention now as I just said nearly) 3 years can drastically change the data. And how a warped mentallity can make an 11 percent fall in market share look like a 4 percent growth.:)
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Yeah I get you. Yes it can (though few people realize this). You simply install it as a CGI and call the binary as such: /usr/bin/php your_script.php
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and POOF! your_script.php executes
Though few people install PHP as a binary; most install it as a PHP module.
Yeah... I LOVE PHP but I have to agree. Without a web server, PHP is still pretty good but it just doesn't scale. Now if he said PERL was as scaleable, Id say he was a bit closer.
ASP = Ass Sandwich Provider
Take your FUD elsewhere Microsoftie.
Well, Einstein, cross platform is the key to adoption of a development language; if I have to use a different language for every friiggin platform, I'm gonna naturally lean towards one that I can develop for MULTIPLE platforms in... thus saving ma and the company time and money.
Now in case you didn't notice this, companies like to save money. And in case you are not human and are some sort of protozoic life form that has yet to crawl from the primordial ooze, humans like to save time.
As for coding in BASIC since you were 9... allow me to congratulate you. You can now only write bad code on Microsoft... which is kind of redundant when you think about it. Oh. but I'm sorry... thinking about it is something you have failed to do thus far. I'm probably taxing your mental faculties.
BASIC is useless and why Microsoft chose to create a language in BASIC is beyond me. Thank the imaginary deity that be that no one else has sunk to such lows.
I get the joke. You are comparing BASIC to machine language. That's funny.
10 while($incoherent){
20 goto 10
30 }
Yeah, machine language still has use... I wouldn't argue that. But my point was about basic being old and useless... not just old. Besides, Visual Basic isn't even cross browser compliant. Give it up.
First off, MONO is beta and mod_mono is not yet released so yes, it is MS centric. Also, the fact that MS can change the code base at any time and make MONO or mod_mono useless also shows it is MS centric. Can you get c# to run on Macs? How about BSD? How about Linux? Sun? I can get PERL, PHP, C++ and javascript to all work equally well.
.NET was better than current tools.
.NET doesn't like to work with them and they make it near impossible to try to.
And yes, MS does claim to support other databases but have you ever tried to implement for them. You'd be surprised how many errors, glitches and problems you will have... but for some reason, it works GREAT with SQL Server. Also, good luck with getting and ODBC-to-ODBC bridge... costs an extra $3000 from a seperate vendor whereas I can always use MyODBC to take care of that problem. I know you have read the manuals and think it hooks up flawlessly to database systems but let me tell you first hand that it does not and has some serious issues... you'll find out when you have to develop for DB2, Progress, PostGres or even MySQL.
Yes they have added better support for Oracle... whoop di doo. Only took them HOW LONG to support the most widely used enterprise level RDBMS? Too long. Should I jump up and down because they FINALLY support Oracle FULLY?
And even though you say that they use a version of ECMAscript that is the same as Javascript, it's not the same; they use MS specific extensions and tags in alot of the code base. Also, it doesn't render the same in Opera, Mozilla, Konquerer and IE. If it was as good as Javascript, it would render the same in them all! You may think it does but it doesn't... even with browser detection and other considerations. Using javascript, my code looks the same on ALL browsers.
As for spaghetti code, thats not to be blamed on a language, that's blamed on a programmer and you should know better. And PHP isn't the only tool in the box. PERL is a million times better than anything MS could ever produce!
And again, you avoid the entire issue of how MS is trying to get developers to move away from cross platform compatible code and tools and move to a platform centric set of tools to develop platform centric code (get c#, asp.net to work perfectly on Mac, BSD, Linux and then we'll talk) to lock users in all the more.
I use Java, Perl, PHP, MySQL, javascript and never have had a problem. I currently use a Linux box and a Windows box for servers and my code works BEAUTIFULLY on both; I often switch my code from one to the other for testing and implementation. I even had the head Microsoft consultant in my office 2 weeks ago as I'm right across campus from them and he couldn't even make a case as to how
You say ASP.NET is the same... but it doesn't work the same... it works worse. Code built should work the same in all browsers and be W3C compliant instead of adding browser specific extensions and making it render differently in other browsers.
You say it's database support is good... but it isn't... it's sub par. Yes most databases have an ODBC driver but
I do not shun it because it is made by Microsoft, I shun it because it has yet to show how it is better than current tools. I shun it because it attempts further lockin by causing developers to become dependent upon a proprietary set of tools which ARE platform centric.
I know you are shaking your head but they are... again, you build me something using C# on Mac, you build me something in Visual Basic for BSD, you build me something in Jscript/ASP.NET and make it work on Konquerer and then we'll talk. Until then, it is a platform centric attempt to replace non-proprietary development tools and further lockin developers and hence customers into the Microsoft OS.
No BSD isn't dead... PAUL is dead.
Yeah and BASIC is pretty much only used by Microsoft and people trying to hack Commodores and TRaSh 80's.
While C is at the core of nearly all apps, BASIC is a joke. You just haven't got the punchline yet.
Ok... I happen to work for a company with VERY close ies to Microsoft and am in an office across the street from the main campus in Redmond. They won't let me run Linux as a result of our relationship but I did get them to let me use Apache, MySQL and PHP. And not once have I ever had a problem... even on a Windows machine and even having to compile my own code at times.
And why would that be? Because I don't base the vast majority of my knowledge on a language like Visual Basic which was based upon a language that was old back when I was using an Apple IIe.
A bit of advice? Try basing your 'expertise' upon a foundation of languages like a compiled language, a server side scripting language, a client side scripting language, some database experience and even some networking experience and then maybe your opinion will matter the next time you open your trap.
Flame off.
Yes Microsoft has their own version called Jscript. Is it better? No. But again, the whole point is cross browser compliancy. Say I write your business a ton of scripts in ASP and C# and 6 months later, they decide to move everything over to a Linux Cluster with an Oracle Progress backend.
.NET, they have not created anything revolutionary. They merely created similar and less reliable and less flexible tools to lock developers into one platform.
.NET is not a decision about what is better in the long run for the web and for end users and developers... it is about what is convenient and best for Microsoft. And programming is not about convenience otherwise the entire web would be exporting from word docs to HTML and become a bloated piece of crap.
Will that code execute. No. Will it with MONO? Maybe. Without some coordination between the project and Microsoft, can you ever be guaranteed that that code base will always work? no. Will it support the database? Not likely. Etc etc.
Can you guarantee support for Progress from ASP? Not likely. Microsoft also does not like to build products that support non-Microsoft products and even then, they dreag their feet and take their time building that support into it (and even then it is severely bugged).
PHP supports loads of databases. Javascript has similar syntax to C and C++ as well as java. Java has been shown to be stable and cross platform.
Microsoft has not provided an improvement with
If you lock the developers into one platform, you can guarantee that people who want to use those apps and tools they develop will be further locked in. It's all just part of the Microsoft plan.
Lock in the developers that develop the tools to lock people into the OS. And engineering and development is NOT about lock in... it is about having the widest amount of options so that you have room to grow and develop. The fewer options you have and you will find yourself crippled and dependent upon your technological drug dealer.
Choosing
Yes yes... .NET exists server side but Visual Basic is CLIENT SIDE! Regardless of how you do it, it still is going to try and send Visual Basic code to your brwser which does not work on any other system! So NO... it doesn't!
:)
The whole idea behind web delivery is to make it viewable by everyone and to do that you have to make use OPEN STANDARDS and make things CROSS PLATFORM... two things Microsuck refuses to do. It wants to create it's own standards, it wants to be the ONLY platform. As a result, you stand the chance of neglecting 10% of your customers at all times.
Stick with Javascript. It works great on ALL browsers. Hell, for that matter stick with open standards and cross platform development tools... they'll NEVER let you down.
Left in the dust? Please, b1tch. C++ and Java can be used on ANY platform. Working on any platform means more jobs for me. :)
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.NET skills and compare against all those looking for C++ and all those looking for Java. I think you'll be suprised as to what companies expect; for the most part, they want you to know the standards (C++,Java, etc) but they want a familiarity with some .NET stuff. Just a familiarity. You know why? Because they don't plan to lean to heavy on it. It is not a foundation.
Here's a question for you? What are software apps built in? What was Windows built in? What was Oracle built in? What was Photoshop, Half-life, and a million other programs out there built in? Well gee... it sure as hell wasn't
Right now Apache is the number one web server on the market. Why? Because it's stable, easy to configure and maintain AND it works on all platforms. Does Visual Basic.NET work with my Mozilla browser running on Linux?
See, the whole reason behind things being database driven and web delivered was so that they reach as many people who want those services. If your development language doesn't deliver to them, your tool is broken.
Using cross platform compatible languages that conform to industry standards means that you reach the maximum numbers of customers possible.
And
So you take your
You'll learn soon enough when you leave your Microsoft bubble and have to compete in the real world market.
Yep... they brought together a version of Java (I do like C#), they brought in ASP which hasn't been updated since 97, and the brought in a whole bunch of other outdated useless crap like Visual Basic and other things that only apply or work on Windows machines.
.NET does with tools that are cross platform and make it more stable, faster and work on various platforms... and it doesn't take them much longer.
.NET is crap.
PHP is more versatile and faster and stable than ASP, Visual Basic was archaic even when it was created (who writes in basic anymore?) and the rest is cheap rips offs of java that only work on a windows platform.
The only nice thing is C# which combines the best of java and C++ in alot of ways.
Quite honestly, a developer who actually develops can do just about everything that
That is why your beloved
Why would Linux suffer? .NET sucks! I say kill the beast before it becomes cross platform compliant.
Not Secure? Your kidding me? My Microsoft consultant told me those were features not security exploits!
Yawn... oh no. An anonymous bastard insults me. Boo hoo.
.NET work on any other platform? No (but the people behind mono might disagree). Does SQL Server work on any other platform? No. Does IIS? No.
Well tell you what, wonder bread, when you can get proprietary software from a redmond based firm to be cross platform compatible and to work well with other products, then you come on back and tell me what choices you have.
Does
The very idea behind the internet was to SHARE information... not tie it all into one platform so one company could try to OWN the internet.
Next time you find your head up your ass, I suggest giving a good hard tug.
The truly hilarious thing is that they are running Apache for a web server. |Makes me think they have no idea what open source really is.
P2P is not going anywhere. The old media companies just have to come up with a new business model. Thus far their business model is 'sue the hell out of everyone'.
My source says - June 19[2001] Red Hat announces profitability one year ahead of Wall Street's forecasts. Where is your source?
Redhat.com you moron. Keep reading on down the same page
Actually I said that Linux has grown by 20% (15 to 18 Million). I don't consider that meager.
But you do not show the comparison to Windows market share which was what this whole discussion was about you tard.
I would point out that 1% for Microsoft is a much larger number than even 100% for Linux on the desktop. Microsoft sold like 7 million units of XP in the first two weeks.
That's total market comparison you dolt. Microsoft gained 1% of total market while Linux gained 8%. Do you even understand basic math?
Holy cow that is some bad, bad math. You can just add different types of percentages like that. One is growth and one is market share.
Oh... now he understand math. Or so he thinks. Both stats are total market share. God you get dumber by the second I swear.
Apple never had a lead. What market dominance?
Oh really, I guess that's why Apple got pulled in front of the court for having a monopoly. I guess that's why Microsoft worked for Apple for a time. I guess thats why Microsoft had to steal the Windows idea from Apple. God, you are so dumb you don't even know the basics history behind PC's.
Y'know... I could sit here and show you how you put your foot in your mouth all day but sometimes you just have to admit there are some animals that can't be trained and need to be put down.
You left out the fact that I state 'almost' and 'nearly' when rounding up to signify a discrepancy from actual statistics and that my number are in fact an approximation.
You don't even imply that. You state clearly that Microsoft has grown 4% in web server share since 2001...NOT that they have fallen 11% since 2002! You just conveniently leave that out.
Which proves my point entirely. That NEARLY (are you ready that... you see where I said nearly this time. Try to make a note of it) 3 years can change data dramatically. Hell even one year can show an 11 percent loss for Microsoft.
So again my point is that though you use data from 2001, it proves nothing. Though you state that Microsoft IIS has increased on servers 4%, it has ACTUALLY DECREASED 11 PERCENT!
Take your FUD elsewhere boy cause we ain't buying.
Yeah... I noticed you conveniently left out the fact that they fell nearly 11 percent since March of 2002. How convenient.
You wouldn't compare to March of 2002 if you wanted to show growth, you'd compare to a much later date like 2001 so it looked like there was a growth in the company instead of a decline.
And those points are percentage points. So yes, you are saying 4%... what they hell did you think that stood for? 4 chickens?
lets try that again shall we:
June 2001
Apache = 63%
IIS = 20%
March 2002
Apache = 53%
IIS = 34%
September 2003
Apache = 65%
IIS = 24%
Now you can see that Microsoft made a gain until March of 2002 and since then, they have made a loss of nearly 11 percent!! That 4% gain you keep quoting is actually an 11 percent loss... thus showing how much can change in NEARLY 3 years (which has been my point all along).
I like the way you try to spin this to make it look like a 4% gain. Are you sure you don't work for Microsoft?
No they didn't you tard. IIS gained up til March of 2002 when it had 34% of the market. Since then it has plummeted 11%. Though you try to spin this so that it looks like a 4% gain since 2001, it is actually an 11% LOSS since 2002!
Care to reply on the fact that you keep referring to an 11 percent market loss as a 4 percent gain? :)
Nice spin by the way. Still a fact... only with a warped view of the outcome. I suppose you tell your girlfriend that because your penis has grown 2 inches in 5 minutes, in an hour you'll be able to please her.
You try to claim I use fuzzy math when you are the one who pointed out Microsoft had a 4% growth since 2001 when in fact it was actually an 11% fall from March of 2002 :)
:)
Which goes further to prove my point how NEARLY (pay attention now as I just said nearly) 3 years can drastically change the data. And how a warped mentallity can make an 11 percent fall in market share look like a 4 percent growth.