When did I say I was an MRA? I'm a traditionalist Catholic. We don't have much in common.
All I'm saying is the sea of degeneracy in which these people are wallowing which results in a man begging a strange woman for sex over email started long before "but he was her boss."
That was like 90% of the country at the time. The rest was unhappy because race not sex, but it's great how you try to conflate the "struggles" of white women, the most privileged creatures to ever walk the earth, with those of the 2nd and 3rd generation offspring of slaves.
You think this sort of behaviour happened before? Then, for the good of humanity, can you share the secret to faster-than-light travel because you clearly hail from a different planet.
No I'm saying we had many, many cultural mores to prevent this kind of shit from happening. Just off the top of my head we had:
1. Preferences against women (of any quality) in the workplace. 2. Preferences against casual intercourse. 3. Preferences against unmarried men and women being alone together. 4. Shame in being involved in a non-monogamous relationship. 5. Incredible shame in having people know about your involvement in an non-monogamous relationship.
Of the 5 rules I listed, are there any that you like or agree with? We have cultural rules like this in place because otherwise a not insignificant number of men will act like the man in the article. You knock out every cultural safeguard to prevent this kind of behavior and then you're shocked when this behavior occurs because the guy didn't care about the one rule you do care about.
Is there something special about the 1950s which makes them some sort of high point?
Men and women were happier then. That was before feminism ruined both and "freed" women from being chained to the stove so they could be chained to the call center desk instead.
As long as they are both OK with it, whats YOUR problem?
You're right about these desires being "natural." In Victorian England fucking around meant death by syphilis. Syphilis is natural, too, so what's your problem with it?!
My problem with this story is that it exists. Install social mores about how people have sex that, in addition to other benefits, prevent nice women from being propositioned disrespectfully. Remove social mores because "OH MY GOD WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM!?!" Be shocked when nice women are propositioned disrespectfully.
You not getting ANY?
I'm a traditionalist Catholic with a good job and a beautiful blonde wife who stays home, takes care of our kids, and cooks me amazing dinners. My sex life is none of your business.
Actually I blame feminism/leftism in general, which gave everyone involved the idea that any of this shit was okay and would not result in exactly these problems.
People are animals. So society invents moral codes and customs to tame their animal behavior, prevent conflict, and channel their bad impulses into productive activity. Then short-sighted idiots come along and say "ugh, this is terrible! How dare you tell me what to do I can do whatever I want!" Enough short-sighted idiots go along with this, people stop following the rules, and then start crying when human animals act like animals. "Why are people acting like this!" Because they're people. We had rules to stop this behavior from occurring but you didn't like them, so now you get shit behavior. Start following the rules designed to prevent shit behavior and the shit behavior will stop.
You also ought to get over your puritanical moralizing about monogamy. It's not for everyone.
By what right did you call the guy a scumbag? You ought to get over your puritanical moralizing about begging subordinates for sex. It's not for everyone.
I wish this story could be broadcast to the people of the 1950s. "A company is getting ruined because female engineers are getting harassed by a pervert? Okay, first off, what the fuck are 'female engineers?' We don't have enough male engineers? Why aren't they home taking care of their kids instead of slaving at some stupid company for perverts? They wouldn't be getting harassed then now would they? Okay, okay, so now about this pervert, why doesn't he just have his own woman? Wait he does? Okay so he's cheating on her why what a piece of...hold on an 'open relationship?' She's having sex with other men...and he knows about it...so now he's hitting on everything in a skirt...THIS IS WHY WE HAVE RULES GODDAMNIT!!!" and they'd kill every feminist on sight and we wouldn't have these problems.
Men value women differently than women value men. I saw something from Tinder that like 20% of the men on Tinder are hooking up with 80% of the women. And there was an OK Cupid study that when asked to rank women as above or below average, men ranked 50% of the women above average, and 50% of the women below average. The women ranked 80% of the men "below average." Hmmmm.
Think of it as the difference between turn-based strategy and real-time strategy. Both, when done well, are great. Foreigners who can't get into American football are like Starcraft players who think Europa Universalis is booooooorrrrrrrrrrriiiiinnnnnggg.
What do you think would make communism any less exploitative, comrade? At least with capitalism you can shop around for an unabusive employer, and choose not to spend your dollars with abusive companies. No such choice in worker's paradise.
It really does boggle my mind that people haven't figured out that the whole system of capitalism might as well be designed to create opportunities for abuse.
It boggles my mind that people haven't figured out capitalism is the only system that introduces voluntary behavior such that one even has a hope of avoiding abuse. At least in a capitalist system when you're harassed you can quit, and inform others, and the business suffers. There's some kind of financial incentive to avoid tolerating harassment. Propensity for abuse is inherent to humanity, not the economic system.
What happens when you're sexually harassed by your commie party official? Better put out or it's gulag for you, comrade.
If you read further in the article, they were lying about the first offense. Once she started talking to the other women engineers several had already reported him before this incident, and then new hires got the same treatment. Apparently every time he begged for sex it was the first time.
The problem was his wife. When she wanted an "open relationship" so she could fuck other guys he should have said "DROPPED" and found a faithful woman. Instead he said "okay..." and then went begging for sex from every other woman he encountered.
He was in an open relationship, he said, and his girlfriend was having an easy time finding new partners but he wasn't. He was trying to stay out of trouble at work, he said, but he couldn't help getting in trouble, because he was looking for women to have sex with. It was clear that he was trying to get me to have sex with him, and it was so clearly out of line that I immediately took screenshots of these chat messages and reported him to HR.
No fucking way. This has got to be some kind of alt-right/4chan/cuck joke parody, right? Woman convinces beta male to have "open relationship" so she can fuck alphas on the side, SHOCKING beta with no game can't score, harasses actually capable women and helps ruin otherwise successful company.
"Sluts and cucks ruin everything for everyone." This has to be a joke, right?
There have been Christian denominations that discriminate against blacks, and people of other religion. If you're going to do business in the US, there are rules you have to adhere to.
You're talking about fringe beliefs. The mainstream of just about every religion considers homosexual behavior a sin, and has for thousands of years (and all for the same core reasons: it's an unhealthy lifestyle that doesn't produce children or contribute to the tribe. A cultural dead-end). The entire concept of gay marriage is less than two decades old. There is no perfect solution here, someone's culture is going to have to bend for the others'. I would suggest that the extreme minority, brand-new cultural practice of gay marriage be the one to not impose itself on the cultures with billions of adherents and millennia of history. Just go to a different fucking bakery.
I never said one chooses their sexual orientation. I said it was culturally conditioned. When from a young age you're told "boys like girls and gay stuff is gross" you're far more likely to wind up heterosexual. When you're molested by your uncle and told by all the TV programs that gay sex is perfectly good and natural you're more likely to wind up gay. And suicidal. You didn't choose your sexuality. But you weren't born that way, either.
Since the normalization of homosexuality over the past two decades, less than 50% of teens now identify as straight. What happened? Did their genes retroactively become gay once they started watching Modern Family?
And the fact is this is not healthy. Gays are far more likely to have STDs, abuse drugs and alcohol, have mental health problems including depression and suicide. In pretty much every way you're going to have a better, easier time through life if you're straight. This seems like a good enough reason to keep your kids away from gay propaganda.
I'm all for tolerance. That is, I have no interest in stopping gays from doing what they want to do, policing their behavior, shutting down their nightclubs or anything like that. I'm opposed to acceptance, that I have to ignore reality and blindly state that homosexuality is the equivalent of heterosexuality (and of course the virtue signalers are never satisfied with that and have to let everyone know they're even more moral and believe gay marriage is better than straight marriage). The media pushing this fairy tale of friendly, healthy monogamous gays who make families just like yours is bullshit. These people are the exception, the non-deviant deviants, not the norm. The TV sells people on this fantasy, and then young people get pulled into what the gay lifestyle really is: a promiscuous disease carousel and open-air drug party. They don't really show you that anymore. I think the only thing more rare on modern TV than an evil homosexual character is an evil Jew. If you're going to write a part for an evil pervert in 2017 it damn well better be a white male heterosexual Christian.
Western civilization is suffering death by a thousand cuts. A society cannot survive a cultural morality that holds up the gay party lifestyle as good as or better than a monogamous heterosexual marriage with children, and values women by their careers instead of their families, and replaces the kids these people don't have with foreigners who don't share any of the new or old cultural values. You can pat yourself on the back for being a nicer person than I am, but niceness didn't build civilization, cannot sustain it, and will likely kill it.
You're just a partisan hack. Your party lost and so you're so salty about it you want to throw the entire democratic system out the window. How about no? Stay mad, tho. It's fun.
At least something that isn't "the Democrat party uber alles." Snowden leaked shit about unconstitutional crimes against the American people. The intel agencies now are leaking shit like "Trump was mean to the president of Mexico or Australia" and "Trump likes to wear a bathrobe!" These aren't people who are breaking their employment contracts/clearances/oaths for deep moral purpose and duty to the Constitution, but just for lame politics. Cheap whores who need to be identified and purged or prosecuted quickly.
I'm really looking forward to the "Hall of Tweets" exhibit at the future Donald J. Trump Presidential Library and Casino, where all of his top tweets are presented in golds on the walls (which are also gold).
"I have never seen a thin person drinking Diet Coke."
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When did I say I was an MRA? I'm a traditionalist Catholic. We don't have much in common.
All I'm saying is the sea of degeneracy in which these people are wallowing which results in a man begging a strange woman for sex over email started long before "but he was her boss."
That was like 90% of the country at the time. The rest was unhappy because race not sex, but it's great how you try to conflate the "struggles" of white women, the most privileged creatures to ever walk the earth, with those of the 2nd and 3rd generation offspring of slaves.
You think this sort of behaviour happened before? Then, for the good of humanity, can you share the secret to faster-than-light travel because you clearly hail from a different planet.
No I'm saying we had many, many cultural mores to prevent this kind of shit from happening. Just off the top of my head we had:
1. Preferences against women (of any quality) in the workplace.
2. Preferences against casual intercourse.
3. Preferences against unmarried men and women being alone together.
4. Shame in being involved in a non-monogamous relationship.
5. Incredible shame in having people know about your involvement in an non-monogamous relationship.
Of the 5 rules I listed, are there any that you like or agree with? We have cultural rules like this in place because otherwise a not insignificant number of men will act like the man in the article. You knock out every cultural safeguard to prevent this kind of behavior and then you're shocked when this behavior occurs because the guy didn't care about the one rule you do care about.
Is there something special about the 1950s which makes them some sort of high point?
Men and women were happier then. That was before feminism ruined both and "freed" women from being chained to the stove so they could be chained to the call center desk instead.
Where's the "+1: Chutzpah" mod for someone who writes like this while criticizing grammar?
I can agree with that.
As long as they are both OK with it, whats YOUR problem?
You're right about these desires being "natural." In Victorian England fucking around meant death by syphilis. Syphilis is natural, too, so what's your problem with it?!
My problem with this story is that it exists. Install social mores about how people have sex that, in addition to other benefits, prevent nice women from being propositioned disrespectfully. Remove social mores because "OH MY GOD WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM!?!" Be shocked when nice women are propositioned disrespectfully.
You not getting ANY?
I'm a traditionalist Catholic with a good job and a beautiful blonde wife who stays home, takes care of our kids, and cooks me amazing dinners. My sex life is none of your business.
Which is the economic system free from potential for sexual harassment?
This story is about human behavior, which is shit, and Ratzo turned it into some anti-capitalist thing. "Shit smells like shit! THANKS CAPITALISM!!!!"
Actually I blame feminism/leftism in general, which gave everyone involved the idea that any of this shit was okay and would not result in exactly these problems.
People are animals. So society invents moral codes and customs to tame their animal behavior, prevent conflict, and channel their bad impulses into productive activity. Then short-sighted idiots come along and say "ugh, this is terrible! How dare you tell me what to do I can do whatever I want!" Enough short-sighted idiots go along with this, people stop following the rules, and then start crying when human animals act like animals. "Why are people acting like this!" Because they're people. We had rules to stop this behavior from occurring but you didn't like them, so now you get shit behavior. Start following the rules designed to prevent shit behavior and the shit behavior will stop.
You also ought to get over your puritanical moralizing about monogamy. It's not for everyone.
By what right did you call the guy a scumbag? You ought to get over your puritanical moralizing about begging subordinates for sex. It's not for everyone.
I wish this story could be broadcast to the people of the 1950s. "A company is getting ruined because female engineers are getting harassed by a pervert? Okay, first off, what the fuck are 'female engineers?' We don't have enough male engineers? Why aren't they home taking care of their kids instead of slaving at some stupid company for perverts? They wouldn't be getting harassed then now would they? Okay, okay, so now about this pervert, why doesn't he just have his own woman? Wait he does? Okay so he's cheating on her why what a piece of...hold on an 'open relationship?' She's having sex with other men...and he knows about it...so now he's hitting on everything in a skirt...THIS IS WHY WE HAVE RULES GODDAMNIT!!!" and they'd kill every feminist on sight and we wouldn't have these problems.
Except the company president was the alpha. Company president. Has money. Is banging Hooters girls. Nobody's complaining about him.
In this story, though, it's our boy's wife who's got no problem finding fresh cocks to hop. He, however, seems to be begging every woman in sight...and failing. They only report to HR when it's Fred Armisen, not Tom Brady hitting on them.
Men value women differently than women value men. I saw something from Tinder that like 20% of the men on Tinder are hooking up with 80% of the women. And there was an OK Cupid study that when asked to rank women as above or below average, men ranked 50% of the women above average, and 50% of the women below average. The women ranked 80% of the men "below average." Hmmmm.
What's the economic system that's free from exploitation?
Try that watch when the emus get there first and nuke your ass.
Think of it as the difference between turn-based strategy and real-time strategy. Both, when done well, are great. Foreigners who can't get into American football are like Starcraft players who think Europa Universalis is booooooorrrrrrrrrrriiiiinnnnnggg.
What is "humanity."
What do you think would make communism any less exploitative, comrade? At least with capitalism you can shop around for an unabusive employer, and choose not to spend your dollars with abusive companies. No such choice in worker's paradise.
It really does boggle my mind that people haven't figured out that the whole system of capitalism might as well be designed to create opportunities for abuse.
It boggles my mind that people haven't figured out capitalism is the only system that introduces voluntary behavior such that one even has a hope of avoiding abuse. At least in a capitalist system when you're harassed you can quit, and inform others, and the business suffers. There's some kind of financial incentive to avoid tolerating harassment. Propensity for abuse is inherent to humanity, not the economic system.
What happens when you're sexually harassed by your commie party official? Better put out or it's gulag for you, comrade.
If you read further in the article, they were lying about the first offense. Once she started talking to the other women engineers several had already reported him before this incident, and then new hires got the same treatment. Apparently every time he begged for sex it was the first time.
The problem was his wife. When she wanted an "open relationship" so she could fuck other guys he should have said "DROPPED" and found a faithful woman. Instead he said "okay..." and then went begging for sex from every other woman he encountered.
He was in an open relationship, he said, and his girlfriend was having an easy time finding new partners but he wasn't. He was trying to stay out of trouble at work, he said, but he couldn't help getting in trouble, because he was looking for women to have sex with. It was clear that he was trying to get me to have sex with him, and it was so clearly out of line that I immediately took screenshots of these chat messages and reported him to HR.
No fucking way. This has got to be some kind of alt-right/4chan/cuck joke parody, right? Woman convinces beta male to have "open relationship" so she can fuck alphas on the side, SHOCKING beta with no game can't score, harasses actually capable women and helps ruin otherwise successful company.
"Sluts and cucks ruin everything for everyone." This has to be a joke, right?
There have been Christian denominations that discriminate against blacks, and people of other religion. If you're going to do business in the US, there are rules you have to adhere to.
You're talking about fringe beliefs. The mainstream of just about every religion considers homosexual behavior a sin, and has for thousands of years (and all for the same core reasons: it's an unhealthy lifestyle that doesn't produce children or contribute to the tribe. A cultural dead-end). The entire concept of gay marriage is less than two decades old. There is no perfect solution here, someone's culture is going to have to bend for the others'. I would suggest that the extreme minority, brand-new cultural practice of gay marriage be the one to not impose itself on the cultures with billions of adherents and millennia of history. Just go to a different fucking bakery.
I never said one chooses their sexual orientation. I said it was culturally conditioned. When from a young age you're told "boys like girls and gay stuff is gross" you're far more likely to wind up heterosexual. When you're molested by your uncle and told by all the TV programs that gay sex is perfectly good and natural you're more likely to wind up gay. And suicidal. You didn't choose your sexuality. But you weren't born that way, either.
Since the normalization of homosexuality over the past two decades, less than 50% of teens now identify as straight. What happened? Did their genes retroactively become gay once they started watching Modern Family?
And the fact is this is not healthy. Gays are far more likely to have STDs, abuse drugs and alcohol, have mental health problems including depression and suicide. In pretty much every way you're going to have a better, easier time through life if you're straight. This seems like a good enough reason to keep your kids away from gay propaganda.
I'm all for tolerance. That is, I have no interest in stopping gays from doing what they want to do, policing their behavior, shutting down their nightclubs or anything like that. I'm opposed to acceptance, that I have to ignore reality and blindly state that homosexuality is the equivalent of heterosexuality (and of course the virtue signalers are never satisfied with that and have to let everyone know they're even more moral and believe gay marriage is better than straight marriage). The media pushing this fairy tale of friendly, healthy monogamous gays who make families just like yours is bullshit. These people are the exception, the non-deviant deviants, not the norm. The TV sells people on this fantasy, and then young people get pulled into what the gay lifestyle really is: a promiscuous disease carousel and open-air drug party. They don't really show you that anymore. I think the only thing more rare on modern TV than an evil homosexual character is an evil Jew. If you're going to write a part for an evil pervert in 2017 it damn well better be a white male heterosexual Christian.
Western civilization is suffering death by a thousand cuts. A society cannot survive a cultural morality that holds up the gay party lifestyle as good as or better than a monogamous heterosexual marriage with children, and values women by their careers instead of their families, and replaces the kids these people don't have with foreigners who don't share any of the new or old cultural values. You can pat yourself on the back for being a nicer person than I am, but niceness didn't build civilization, cannot sustain it, and will likely kill it.
Losersayswhat?
What the hell does North have to do with anything?
Don't stop taking your pills, man, I don't care what the Shadow Men tell you. Hold on. We love you.
Loser.
You're just a partisan hack. Your party lost and so you're so salty about it you want to throw the entire democratic system out the window. How about no? Stay mad, tho. It's fun.
At least something that isn't "the Democrat party uber alles." Snowden leaked shit about unconstitutional crimes against the American people. The intel agencies now are leaking shit like "Trump was mean to the president of Mexico or Australia" and "Trump likes to wear a bathrobe!" These aren't people who are breaking their employment contracts/clearances/oaths for deep moral purpose and duty to the Constitution, but just for lame politics. Cheap whores who need to be identified and purged or prosecuted quickly.
No, it's that you can't trust the investigators until the investigators are trustworthy. Otherwise what's the point?
Right now, do you trust the intelligence agencies to secure Trump instead of exploit Trump? I'd give it 50/50.
I'm really looking forward to the "Hall of Tweets" exhibit at the future Donald J. Trump Presidential Library and Casino, where all of his top tweets are presented in golds on the walls (which are also gold).
"I have never seen a thin person drinking Diet Coke."
"Fidel Castro is dead!"