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Former Engineer Says Uber Is a Nightmare of Sexism; CEO Orders Urgent Investigation (susanjfowler.com)
An anonymous reader shares a report on The Verge: A former Uber engineer has published an explosive account of sexism and power struggles in the workplace, with allegations beginning from her very first official day with the company. The engineer, Susan Fowler (who left Uber in December and now works for Stripe), posted the account to her blog on Sunday, calling it a "strange, fascinating, and slightly horrifying story." It is indeed horrifying. Sexism is a well-documented problem in Silicon Valley, but the particulars of Fowler's account are astounding. She says problems began on day one, when her manager accosted her with details of his sex life: "In my first official day rotating on the team, my new manager sent me a string of messages over company chat. He was in an open relationship, he said, and his girlfriend was having an easy time finding new partners but he wasn't. He was trying to stay out of trouble at work, he said, but he couldn't help getting in trouble, because he was looking for women to have sex with. It was clear that he was trying to get me to have sex with him, and it was so clearly out of line that I immediately took screenshots of these chat messages and reported him to HR. When I reported the situation, I was told by both HR and upper management that even though this was clearly sexual harassment and he was propositioning me, it was this man's first offense, and that they wouldn't feel comfortable giving him anything other than a warning and a stern talking-to. Upper management told me that he "was a high performer" (i.e. had stellar performance reviews from his superiors) and they wouldn't feel comfortable punishing him for what was probably just an innocent mistake on his part. The things only get worse for Fowler. Read the full account of her story here. In the meanwhile, Uber CEO Travis Kalanick said the company would "conduct an urgent investigation" into the allegations, and promised to fire anyone who "behaves this way or thinks this is OK."
Journalist Paul Carr summing up the situation, says, "Uber's ability to be on the wrong side of every moral and ethical issue is bordering on magical."
Journalist Paul Carr summing up the situation, says, "Uber's ability to be on the wrong side of every moral and ethical issue is bordering on magical."
As much as Slashdot likes to believe that sexism is imaginary, this behavior is pretty common in tech. Frankly, I've seen worse.
Most female employees know that crying sexism will bring the authorities running and catch the media's attention. It's really a shame that a small number of them take advantage of this and absuse the system. My guess is this person lost their job for performance of incontinence reasons and is trying to create a shitstorm in order to extract revenge. We need to make sure that when the system is abused, the abusers pay a heavy cost.
It's a software-based dispatch service. How can that require employing enough people for sexism to show up?
When I reported the situation, I was told by both HR and upper management that even though this was clearly sexual harassment and he was propositioning me, it was this man's first offense, and that they wouldn't feel comfortable giving him anything other than a warning and a stern talking-to.
What's wrong with that? Does she want this guy immediately fired no question asked? If it really is a first offence tell him to knock it off and move on from there, if it happens more follow procedures. It's not like this was a suck me off or your sacked situation.
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What is, "capitalism"?
You are welcome on my lawn.
From her piece, Fowler indicates that the percentage of women working in her unit dropped from 25% to 3% within a year. That's a fairly simple thing to check and lends a fair amount of weight to her criticisms.
Seriously. Immediate termination? That's actually against labor laws as you're required by law to give a warning first.
My girlfriend doesn't drive yet and they help her get around easily.
Is her competence not obvious?
A: she got a job at stripe right away after quitting Uber.
B: What would she get from posting this online? More people buying her very specific microservice book?
C: SHE WROTE AN O'RIELY BOOK AND SHES ONLY A FEW YEARS OUT OF COLLEGE.
It would be interesting to see productivity numbers for that unit spanning this period with a couple months on either end for comparison.
"My guess is this person lost their job for performance of incontinence reasons..."
Was that a 'Uber style' attempt at damage control?
Isn't silicon valley in the middle of a progressive's wet dreamland? Ultra-left. Ultra sensitive to different lifestyles. But issues like sexism that is usually associated with the right still run rampant. Why is that?
>(...) lends a fair amount of weight to her criticisms.
It does not. Such a change in percentage can follow from both women leaving, and from men being hired. The theory presented here fails to account for both, leaving it looking single-mindedly written and poorly-argued.
No it does not. All it tells us is that some women left the company. It doesn't tell us how many people were in her unit, and it doesn't give their personal accounts.
I know Slashdot loves a controversy, but it would be nice to have some facts for a change.
BeauHD. Worst editor since kdawson.
How you downvote idiological articles on ./ ?
Wrong. The boss is in a position of power. Asking a subordinate for sex is a power play and by its nature harassment, even more so on the first day on the job. She was right to contact HR. Especially after she later discovered this wasn't his first offense.
Buckle up, Timmy.
Wait until you're a salesman competing for an account against a saleswoman. It's an aspect I never see printed, yet everyone knows it exists.
This is the world we live in now. If you're white and male you're the enemy. Media loves to have an enemy, who gives a shit if they deserve the label or not.
Cool Story. Unfortunately there's not a chance HR would disclose to you what sanctions they took against another employee. Good luck with your inevitable lawsuit, though.
Right, but his post is marked 'insightful' so you must be wrong. SMH.
...My guess is this person lost their job for performance of incontinence reasons and is trying to create a shitstorm in order to extract revenge...
So I'm guessing she won't succeed given her history.
He was oversharing unsolicited details of his sex life with someone he didn't even know. That definitely crosses the line into harassment in my book even without a proposition.
accused by one of those persons that shout sexism!, racism!, bigotry! around fifty-eleven times a day.
Do you have any evidence that this is true, or do you just enjoy slandering people for fun?
I don't respond to AC's.
Oh, silly AC. Any boss asking any subordinate to fuck them is harassment.
I don't respond to AC's.
Seriously. I couldn't possibly care any less about sexism accusations at Uber.
Uber sucks for so many other bigger reasons.
Instead you choose to keep pretending every article claiming sexism in the tech industry is fake? You are not the target of it so it's not as immediately visible to you. You're choosing to consider this article fake because you somehow feel personally attacked.
Does this mean that Uber executives are signing financial statements with off the book liabilities e.g sexual harassment lawsuits?
Sure. And if the company went out and hired enough men to drop the percentage of women from 25% to 3%, that wouldn't suggest to you that they might, just possibly, have the teensiest problem with sexism?
"Former" engineer - tells you all you need to know.
That tells us everything we need to know about your thinking ability.
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You're so oppressed. How does a story about women being sexually harassed in the workplace turn into you thinking you're being personally demonized?
Don't they have wives, sisters, daughters? Don't they care if other guys behave toward them that way? Have they not learned to think with their brains, rather than their dicks? How utterly stupid can they be?
There are obvious EEOC and labor law violations all over the place. If she wants, she could make lots of bucks by helping out the EEOC.
uber does not give a dam about the laws with there drivers so it's likely the office is the same way
No, she did the correct thing by going to HR right away.
It is better to make it known immediately that you will not put up with that kind of garbage. Putting up with it increases the power he will have over you, and can make it more difficult to get him to stop. It's the "show no weakness" rule.
There is no reason not to expect professionalism, even from your boss. If you can't get it, then move on to a more professional setting asap. It's better to leave because unprofessional work places can instill bad habits, expectations and reputations that will follow you around.
He was in an open relationship, he said, and his girlfriend was having an easy time finding new partners but he wasn't. He was trying to stay out of trouble at work, he said, but he couldn't help getting in trouble, because he was looking for women to have sex with. It was clear that he was trying to get me to have sex with him, and it was so clearly out of line that I immediately took screenshots of these chat messages and reported him to HR.
No fucking way. This has got to be some kind of alt-right/4chan/cuck joke parody, right? Woman convinces beta male to have "open relationship" so she can fuck alphas on the side, SHOCKING beta with no game can't score, harasses actually capable women and helps ruin otherwise successful company.
"Sluts and cucks ruin everything for everyone." This has to be a joke, right?
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
Note that sexism was a *small* part of the situation described. What amazes me was the continued desire to work for a company because of the 'great engineers'.
The reality is you can find a *good* company that also has great engineers. Other companies also face interesting challenges that are worthy of your time. I've seen people fall into this trap of toiling under crappy management because 'their team is so great'. The problem is that crappy management gets all the benefits of your awesome teams work (in fact, in crappy management, the management gets nearly *all* the glory and your 'awesome engineers' are the first under the bus when good times are over, after months on end of 60+ hour workweeks, where the management is only around for part of maybe 3 days a week. You need to find a company that has both a great team *and* good management.
If it had been an isolated incident with one manager, and switching teams fixed it, but she reports a pattern of management dysfunction that seems pervasive, at least to wherever she could go. Now it *might* be the case that her perspective by itself is skewed, but in her view of things, it was a terrible situation and she stayed *way* longer than anyone should have.
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
None of these things speak to competence. I will respond per point.
A: Getting jobs is quite easy, even keeping them as a very sub-par employee is quite common. We all work with plenty of them...
B: She sells future books and speaking engagements. Even better she gets more job security that won't be offset by her potential low skills. Maybe she hopes this will finally get her a management job so she can coast the rest of her life not having to do real technical work. Then she will have time to write more books on company time.
C: Those who can't do, teach... Maybe she knows the right people or even (GASP!) the right people want to sleep with her.
In short, we don't know shit about her competence, you are making wild assumptions, as I am. None of the claims made demonstrated competence. Anyone working in engineering knows how many worthless folks have, keep jobs, even appear competent on the surface, until the real works needs doing.
Please, speak more of your MRAisms
Considering that every scandal posted here during the last few years about sexism and harassment in the CS field turned out to be massively exaggerated at best and flat out fabricated at worst, I am going to ask for a little more evidence than personal statements in a blog.
Not to mention that SV is already a SJW-infested Marxist hellhole which reduces the probability for such stud-like behaviour considerably already. (Not it does not mean it cannot happen, just that it is less likely than it happening on a cattle ranch in Texas for example)
Most of the time, I couldn't agree with you more. However, you didn't read her blog post.
This kind of thing started on her first day and she took screenshots.
Really, you have to read her blog post. The HR person who handled this issue needs to be sacked pronto.
Don't create sexism and harassment cases where they do not belong.
Being propositioned by your boss, even the first time, absolutely is harassment.
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I won't be shocked when this woman is found to be a feminazi plant. Shooting for the SJW crowd.
So this guy is harassing someone as to have sex with her. How is this sexism? Apart from the word being similar that is? Did he claim she is a lesser person because she is a woman? Or should spread her legs on demand because she is a woman and he is a man?
What really annoys me that all over the world in this debate people confuse inappropriate behavior with sexism.
This implies that it would be less of an inappropriate behavior if the was bugging me (a man) for sex. And I seriously beg to differ. If the man would be bugging another man for sex in the same manner it would be just as annoying.
I really wish people and especially the press wouldn't constantly mix this up, so we'd have a chance to actually solve true sexism.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
Does TFA count?
I work in Silicon Valley and don't see sexism in my workplace, except for discrimination against white men. In fact this is my 5th company I have worked for and did not see discrimination against women or minorities at any of them. I have seen numerous claims of sexism that turned out to be false in court (Ellen Pao). If they don't go to court and lose all we ever see are the unsubstantiated and claims without witnesses.
Just like with the alleged "college rape epidemic", these allegations have diminished any real claims. I simply don't believe them. I'm sure you know the story of the boy that cried wolf (sadly it's probably considered sexist to use that analogy). Progressive busy bodies and executives are a much bigger problem than sexism.
Not included in the original blog: ANY EVIDENCE.
No, because there's nothing in TFA that suggests what you're suggesting. Are you perhaps confused, and reading a different article?
I don't respond to AC's.
"performance of incontinence"
"extract revenge"
"Insightful"
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Wrong. Sexual harassment is an UNWANTED advance. If the advance is welcome, it's not sexual harassment.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
And it appears that Uber is investigating said allegation. We don't have enough information to know whether it happened or not. That's what investigations are for.
After the Duke Lacross Lynching and the UVA rape hoax, I'm inclined to reserve judgement until an accusation becomes a lawsuit and is litigated.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
No no no a thousand times no. Sexual harassment is an UNWANTED advance. Did you people ever get an HR seminar? How can you be this ignorant?
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Week after week, Uber shows that it doesn't give a shit about its employees (or, as they claim, their independant drivers).
Why would Uber management give a shit about this poor woman? Why do people accept to work for Uber, given the constant reminders that Uber doesn't respect any rule, nor anyone?
She had better work extra hard at hanging on to her new job because after this she will never find another in tech or any other white collar work. Making a public scene like this about a former employer makes you positively radioactive to future employers. They will find this on even the most cursory Google search and won't bother to look any further. Nobody wants to hire a boat rocker with a chip on her shoulder who creates PR nightmares, that's just asking for trouble and business is hard enough without hiring mistakes like that.
> "Uber's ability to be on the wrong side of every moral and ethical issue is bordering on magical."
That ain't magic, that's disrupting the industry!
I'm white. Behind the black guy's back, the shit I hear. I even had a supervisor try to get me to blame a bad defect on him - that I caused. I couldn't do it. I couldn't live with myself and in a World where a smart hard working guy gets blamed for shit he didn't do just because he was born with a certain skin color in the wrong society.
The fucker knew he was doing wrong too. And what could I really do? Bitch to HR? Remember folks, HR works FOR management. Remember that. They are NOT your friends and they are NOT there to protect you but to protect management.
So far, it has happened only once in my career. But never the less, bigoted shit like this happens and not everyone -including the victim - may be aware of it.
Sending out awkward emails while his girl rides someones pole. LOL.
On day one, right after HR told her they didn't want to discipline her boss for the sexual harassment and her staying on the team would mean that any poor performance review she got wasn't as case of retaliation by her boss.
That should have been her first and only clue that Uber was a toxic environment and should have quit right then and there.
I see an allegation with no facts. Anyone working in IT understands how to make a screenshot, if not how to log a chat session. Yet no evidence is presented, and what would the easiest thing be for this person to do? Save evidence, because sexual harassment is ILLEGAL.
Your claim (repeated) that you have to be the victim to see sexual harassment on the scale she is claiming is moronic. It would be visible to at least everyone on that team. There would be more than one claim from more than one person if it was that rampant. In the event it was just her and she over-hyped the scale, she could have this thing called evidence. Yet there is no evidence, just allegations. I'll wait for the court case, and would be willing to bet a paycheck that no evidence is forthcoming.
Sorry, but there are no groups of dudes hanging around conspiring on how to fuck over, and fuck, women in the company. Quite the opposite, since the virtue signalling SJWs are rampant in SF and would have busted the boss to make a name for themselves.
I think the headline and summary gives a wrong impression. Sure, sexual harassment is tolerated but the wider picture the writing paints is about dysfunctional organisation. Specifically:
Only for peers, parent post is correct.
The legal consequences of sex discrimination and harassment in the workplace are so serious that it is unbelievable that HR would not have taken more decisive action. Given that neither Fowler nor the many other women she says have been harassed have sued over sex discrimination and instead chose to attack the company on her blog, it seems plausible that she is exaggerating in order to get back at her former employer (a form of indirect aggression).
The amount of Anonymous Cowards posting the same couple lines makes it obvious. This thread is being astroturfed.
Women are making more money than men for the same job and same amount of work today, especially in cities. Stop reading a bogus 30 year old paper crafted for a narrative and check current reports. or This or This or This and of course This Interestingly most of these are LEFT leaning sites, not Right/Conservative.
PolitiFact has given you the nuts and bolts about the 77 cents statistic -- you can read the two most important works in this area here and here. Basically, there is a wage gap, but it tends to disappear when you compare women and men in the exact same jobs who have the same levels of experience and education. (emphasis mine)
Just like 60% of all College students are women, 56% of all College graduates with advanced degrees are women. Yet we continue to hear that we need more women in college.
I'm an egalitarian, not a MRA. I also happen to believe in Socrates' definition of Philosopher, who must seek truth even at their own peril. Sadly the left avoids all truth and distorts everything they can for division and agenda.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Goood!
After relentless attacks from progressive media, why would any female engineer apply?
Furthermore, Uber is seeing that mixing unmarried 20-something males with unmarried 20-something females causes problems, and the rational way to fix that would be to go to a unisex workplace.
Neither of those is a problem per se, except perhaps for Uber, which has to select from a slightly smaller talent pool when hiring.
Unless they are a Democratic President (see: Bill Clinton).
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
https://slashdot.org/story/17/...
Is the accuser ugly? If so laugh. Else, Ignore. Also >a NIGHTMARE >blog trash it You don't have any rights. No one does. Negotiate for your interest rationally. The news media can't provide cover fire for you forever. Do things for yourself like all the men have to.
Google for example has hired every single black person who has ever applied... But since any black with C and D averages can get into MIT...
Got any citations for those claims?
Yeah, but it sounds like the HR person is doing exactly what management wants.
She says she took screenshots. There is no independent evidence beyond what she says, and her story doesn't seem credible.
That doesn't seem unreasonable, but in this case the her immediate superior opened on day 1 with "I'm in an open relationship, please have sex with me". Later she finds out that HR is basically encouraging him by taking no action against a "high flyer", which explains why he (correctly) thinks he can get away with it.
Allegedly.
After Ellen Pao, UNLV, Duke LaCrosse, and countless false police reports (resulting in legal action) about discrimination I'm waiting for evidence. Chat logs, screen shots, and email logs should be enough to prove the case. TFA reports no such evidence.
Innocence until proven guilty should have meaning to all Americans, but seems like many are fine prosecuting without evidence let alone proof.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Reporting your boss to HR on the first day is usually a very bad way to start at a new company for any reasons
WTF? Is there an expectation in Silicon Valley to be subject to some kind of weird hazing when you start a new job, by your boss?
"On my first official day rotating on the team, my new manager sent me a string of messages over company chat. He was in an open relationship, he said, and his girlfriend was having an easy time finding new partners but he wasn't. He was trying to stay out of trouble at work, he said, but he couldn't help getting in trouble, because he was looking for women to have sex with"
This is how Fowler claims the person she was reporting to was propositioning her on day one. She didn't apply to be a sex surrogate for a clueless loser whose own girlfriend preferred to have sex with other people.
Pain is merely failure leaving the body
harassment
hrasmnt,hersmnt/
noun
aggressive pressure or intimidation.
how is one instance considered aggressive? I could see the person saying "i do not want to talk about this." and the other person continuing anyway as being harassment. However, with a single instance being considered harassment, how is one supposed to gage what is and isn't harassment? What if I were to suggest that someone should try a restaurant? This meets all the criteria of being what is currently considered harassment but is not considered harassment. What one person considers unwelcome, another might not. So when some person says that one thing is harassment they are unequivocally saying that the people that welcome the suggestion are unimportant. Which, in a world where everyone is wining about equal rights, which happens to be the proponents of this paradox (not exclusively but majority), this is just hypocritical. I'm not saying that harassment should be ignored but rather that it should be defined as it actually is rather than a presumed definition. If a person lives without proposals then that person misses opportunity. Just because it is sexual in nature does not make it the black plague of opportunity. It is just another potential option in a world of options. If no one should be offered something that they do not want to do then why isn't the fact that when people who are on welfare are told to get a job when they don't want to isn't considered harassment? ...Or when you're told to eat your vegetables? ..Or that truancy is considered a crime? ..Or that mental health patients take their medications? Reproduction unlike education is a natural part of life. Albeit, education is useful, it is not as ingrained and necessary as reproduction to continue existing as a species. The human race is defined by it, and we solely exist because of it. If any other bodily function, say eating, were as "unwelcome" as sex... Well, what then about someone with an eating disorder? (Maybe not the best example...meh) Should suggesting they eat be harassment?
enough said..
Better arrest Bill Gates and the myriad of other executives who made lives with people who were once their subordinates.
And I'm guessing you're single. Do as all a favour and stay that way.
Ah, to be young and blissfully ignorant of the world. Sexual harassment is the unattractive person's crime.
If you would give you left tit or nut to have sex with your boss there is not much that she can say that will fall into "sexual harassment" territory.
If her existence sickens you then there are not going to be many conversations you will be comfortable having. Her mere gaze can be sexual harassment.
See this harassment awareness video for more info. http://www.nbc.com/saturday-ni...
I agree with the people on here saying we need more evidence that one person writing a blog about their side of the story to know what REALLY took place. But that's a whole lot of writing just to make up a fictional tale of how sexist things are at Uber. I'm inclined to believe it's probably at least generally true.
But assuming it's factual? Why put up with all of that for a year and then write a blog about how you were wronged? If you really did the right thing, saving all of the chats and email conversations -- the obvious next step is a lawsuit.
I *hate* dealing with attorneys and their shady billing practices ... but if there was ever a time to deal with them, I think *this* would be it! You're making accusations that H.R. staff broke the law multiple times in handling your complaints, and you were blocked from a promotion by someone going in and modifying a FINAL performance review (without even telling you it would be changed first). I see a whole lot of "sexual harassment" complaints that are largely baseless "he said, she said" garbage. (I used to work for a firm where one of the I.T. guys bought some flowers for the front office receptionist after she was out sick for a while. The card with them was your basic "Get Well Soon" message. She ran to H.R. and filed a complaint against him. THAT is the kind of stuff that's NOT a valid complaint. That's how you ruin things for nice guys and encourage an office environment where nobody gives a crap about each other.) But this story sounds like, especially in the state of California, you've got the law clearly on your side.
Wrong. Sexual harassment is an UNWANTED advance. If the advance is welcome, it's not sexual harassment.
There's a time & place to make an advance and there has to be a basis for it. Propositioning women at a nightclub on ladies night is reasonable and even there you have to make opening moves that aren't blatantly sexual.
Regaling a brand new subordinate, of whose personal life you know nothing with your sorry story of being outscrewed by your open-relationship "girlfriend" at the office is Category 5 stupidity and deserves, at the very least, a demotion.
Pain is merely failure leaving the body
Yeah... And here you are posting as an AC on /. when you could instead write a book (as it's so trivial right?) and earn some cash.
While anybody with some clue do know that the points above _do_ indicate competence unlike being an anonymous poster writing illogical shit.
If she actually had any evidence Uber would have investigated already.
She isn't displaying any proof at all. Yet the supposed conversations could easily have been documented reliably.
Look how the authors of this farce are astroturfing up and down trying to make it seem like it's a normal thing to do to believe denunciation without proof.
Welcome to the media, controller of the thoughts of people who make 100,000+ dollars annually.
The older companies have been there and done that already. Previous incidents have honed policies about such behavior in the workplace to a fine edge.
As a result, your older companies make sure you understand they will not tolerate it. At all. Annual reviews and signed acknowledgements of said training with the threat of termination of employment for any violations pretty much keep folks civil.
It's just a matter of the new ones getting a taste of what happens when you don't have clear policies on the issue.
Watch for a zero tolerance policy to be born rather quickly ( as it should ) now that there is a spotlight on it. Will be a non-issue shortly as they will likely fire the guy in question if the allegations turn out to be true.
No fucking way. This has got to be some kind of alt-right/4chan/cuck joke parody, right? Woman convinces beta male to have "open relationship" so she can fuck alphas on the side, SHOCKING beta with no game can't score, harasses actually capable women and helps ruin otherwise successful company.
"Sluts and cucks ruin everything for everyone." This has to be a joke, right?
No, it's reality.
And right here you have the *only* good or at least moderately useful thing about abrahamic revelation cults (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) as a primitive operating system of society: Executed well, they keep the sexual imbalance in check with sexual moral codes, see that every pot has a lid and prevent an all-out anarchic fight over women in which a few men get most of the women. A circumstance hat usually eventually gives rise to fanatism and degeneration/destruction.
"Girls, kiss the fascists where ever you find them!" - Kurt Tucholsky
Smart man.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
Wow. Slashdot really has become a cesspool. You make payment bunch of fake, racist facts and then use them to self-justify your pre-existing, racist beliefs.
Learn to read and do basic calculations then. Over 150 and 25% means there were over 37 women there. A year later it was 3% so maybe 5 were left. We aren't talking about 1 or 2 women leaving and temporarily skewing the stats, we are talking roughly 32 out of 37 which is a mass exodus.
1st: It is possible for this to be completely imaginary and not imaginary at the same time... complex numbers. Life sucks. I had a fight over the offensive nature of Game of Thrones, the book. There are a couple of sexual scenes in the book. One party deemed those seems highly offensive. I on the other hand read them closely and wondered how anyone could consider consensual sex offensive. Not just consensual, but proactive consensual. Martin managed to demonstrate explicit consent by both parties inside a paragraph with almost 0 dialog. The entire dialog was "No?" I could not manage to get the other party to comprehend how brilliant that example was. All they could see was the colloquial words for the genitalia involved.
2nd: 1st step in any of this is for someone to say "STOP!". But then I remember the sexual assault video done by Popeye. He was doing the military press will Olive Oil as the bar bell. She kept saying "DON'T"... kiss... "STOP!" ... "Don't"... kiss ... "Stop!"
On one side, clearly Popeye should have stopped RIGHT? On the other side, it was also potentially clear to say that Olive Oil did not want him to stop. Both interpretations were left wide open. COMPLETELY OPEN. Both interpretations were correct. Both interpretation were completely correct. Had he stopped she would have wanted him to stop. Had he not stopped there is a good chance she didn't want hime to stop.
Unraveling this is not easy. Making the chain of evidence happen to a paint a company as 'evil' is actually pretty easy.
No matter what, there is an equation that makes it even harder...
Revenue > Expense. The people who keep revenue flowing into your system are granted a little more leeway than the people who aren't keeping revenue flowing into the system. Uber needs every dollar it can get flowing into its system.
God: "I don't leave footprints!"
I cant decide if the former has complex of persecution or the latter is a mangina douchebag. Life is so complicated...
and the guy who started all this!
Furthermore, Uber is seeing that mixing unmarried 20-something males with unmarried 20-something females causes problems
{citation needed}. Because you're clearly talking about something other than TFA, which refers to a male in a long-term relationship mixing with a female the length of whose CV (studied at 3 universities, worked at at least 5 companies) suggests she may be in her 30s.
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If she truely valued her job and the company then she should have just slept with him. This just highlights the need to discard sexual harrassment laws.
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From the publisher's other article about this event:
Last month, after reports surfaced that Uber had allegedly broken a taxi driver strike at JFK Airport amid protests against President Trumpâ(TM)s immigration ban, the hashtag #DeleteUber caught fire on social media, leading hundreds of thousands of users to cancel their accounts with the ride-sharing giant. But just when the grassroots backlash against Uber seemed to be dying down, a former engineer went public with her tale of rampant sexism and bureaucratic incompetence within the company. And like flipping a switch, #DeleteUber is back blazing up the social networks.
Gee I wonder what this is really about. Couldn't have been about "flipping that switch back on", could it?
Note well the insane knee-jerk responses posted here. Note well the effort to suppress anyone talking about proof and rationale.
Slashdot is totally corrupt. The editors are complicit in these kinds of farces which are becoming ever more frequent. The moderation system is manipulated (astroturfing)
"Communism has never been faithfully attempted at scale." bwhahahaaa. Are you serious ? *THAT* *WAS* communism.
I'm guessing you never *lived* communism. Also: No true scotsman !
He was impeached for that you know?
That's what you don't fundamentally get, the word "perfectly" does not belong in this discussion in any shape or form, ppl who use it are either manipulators or mentally retarded.
she's pretty. And not a cow so that makes her prolly a unicorn in the USA lol...
Her name is Susan Rigetti now, not Susan Fowler, and she's been in the headlines before for the claimed ability to go from 6th grade math to studying graduate-level quantum physics in just 18 months. Isn't that at least worth a mention, speaking to her credibility?
I mean, someone who advances from 6th grade math to quantum physics in such a short time must surely be worth listening to.
Also, searching for the proper name reveals even more headline-grabbing news about her husband's startup.
This is not at all a story about sexism, instead it is a case of sexual harassment - by one guy, but also bolstered by a company that supposedly refused to address it because the guy is a high performer.
To me it's far more a tale of large companies politics and fiefdoms. This seems to shock the writer but why??? Large companies have ALWAYS had those issues. It's just saying Uber is no different than any other large company, nor would I have expected that to be the case.
Also I cannot help but get a large whiff of entitlement from the story who thinks it's natural to be able to easily transfer between departments in a company at the drop of a hat... when I worked for large companies there was pretty much no way I could move into other groups without tremendous effort.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
except perhaps for Uber, which has to select from a slightly smaller talent pool when hiring.
3% smaller, to be precise...
Most of the people on the right that I know have to provide evidence to debunk the claims and positions of the left. I read everything I can get my hands on so that I can argue against the leftists. Such as I did above showing wage discrimination. Leftists on the other hand simply repeat the same bogus numbers over and over and over. The 70c on the dollar fabrication is repeated not just by former President Obama but every voice in the Left (Clinton, Pelosi, Schumer). That gets repeated by most leftist media outlets (just about all print and broadcast), and executives are repeating the lies. If they don't, they get lambasted by the left for being politically incorrect (members of the patriarchy, misogynists, bigots, etc...)
Now what you may be hinting at is the RINOs, of which there are plenty. Considering your statement about Trump, I'm guessing that you perhaps are one.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
You clearly didn't RTFA. She has extensive email and chat records to back up her claims. Yes, I am taking her word for it.
Considering that in Trumperican Kingdom, current first "lady" is suing a foreign tabloid for calling her a prostitute and thus preventing her from a "unique, once-in-a-lifetime opportunity" to cash in on her position of a first "lady" - you betcha you should take her word for it.
Only a complete idiot wouldn't keep a paper/electronic trail while making public accusations in the Land of Litigation.
Which goes double for someone working for a company involved in so many lawsuits.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
At first we kept hearing that sexism is a major problem in "STEM" and many of us were like, "what"? I mean sure, we're seeing skewed employment numbers, so we start to talk about things like what motivates people to get into STEM, and we point out that there weren't that many females enrolling in STEM programs at universities, and so on, but at least we seemed to be having a good discussion around this, focused on what would motivate young women to actually consider STEM careers. But then we kept hearing, "no, you don't get it, if a woman goes to a computer security conference she's getting groped every night, and all these startups with young guys working in them are harassing women who work there day-in and day-out." Like... "what"?
Those of us living outside of Silicon Valley just seemed to wonder what the heck was going on. We keep hearing this refrain about sexism in tech, and how blatant this harassment is, and honestly it's hard to believe in something you don't see. Many people like me in STEM fields just work at regular companies that make widgets or whatever, and we work in offices with other professionals, and this kind of stuff isn't tolerated. To be fair, there is still harassment going on, but it's going to be at the same level as the whole populace. It's not like a group of 3 IT guys in a small company are going to be ordering hookers on the company credit card or something.
So I'm glad this article says "Sexism is a well-documented problem in Silicon Valley" instead of saying it's well documented in STEM or Tech, because honestly it's not helping to get women into STEM careers *out here in the rest of the world* when you make it sound like they'd be crazy to go into these fields.
"I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." - Mark Twain
I mean, if she said no and he persisted, then that's a different story. Yeah, bad form on this idiot's part for asking her on the first day. I put it like this because I remember an employer's policy defining sexual harassment as unwanted sexual advances. My coworkers and I briefly joked "well, you have to try and fail once for it to be unwanted." We joked, yeah, but if Uber has similar language in their policy, I'd say that guy has a good defense for himself already.
Chewbacon
The Bible is like Wikipedia: written by a bunch of people and verifiable by questionable sources.
What kind of fool enters an open relationship in the sausage party known as Silicon Valley?
His significant other would be swimming in cock while he's in a desert.
CEO Travis Kalanick calls it "Boober" because it helps him get laid.
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inherent in the system! HAHAHAHA. Sorry, couldn't even quote Monty Python without laughing at this bimbo and her click-bate blog posts.
They have a history of lying, incompetent, lacking a Y-chromosome CEO's. Give it to her! "It's Her Turn".
The way woman are treated in Silicon Valley HAS to be exposed. It makes me cringe when I hear Mrs. Clinton talk about woman in technology, the disconnect to how it really is hard to swallow. I have seen groups of engineers cackle and shout female engineers and programmers out of a room. They tease their clothing, their hair, talk to them like their stupid etc. And I don't care if I sound racist, engineers/people from certain countries DO NOT RESPECT WOMAN. It can be borderline uncomfortable for a guy from the mid-west raised on equality.
If you're referring to the Lewinsky scandal, it all started when she told Bill she had a crush on him.
They discussed their mutual affection and he asked if he could kiss her. After they kissed, Monica gave Bill her phone number.
He called her to set up a meeting. At the meeting they kissed, and she undid her top. Then he got a phone call, and during the phone call she started to give him a BJ.
Not only did Monica initiate the relationship, but she welcomed Bill's advances. There was no hint that any aspect was non-consensual.
Say what you will about the impropriety of such a relationship, but it in no way compares to a boss propositioning an unsuspecting subordinate for sex.
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There is no proof.
There will be no lawsuit.
Her account is a lie.
Meanwhile you see the total insanity of people believing her word as truth. Everywhere.
We need a culling.
If she took screenshots to provide to HR... where are they?
I was expecting to read one of the usual stories. The proportion of men to women wasn't 50/59 so they must be sexist; the guys don't ask look comfortable taking to me; or the guys are too familiar when talking to me. I have to say though this sounds like a good engineer facing real problems of discrimination.
Any guy in the US who has gone on dating sites or to a club in their 20's and 30's know that women have a huge advantage simply due to biological urges of men created by testosterone. Men are simply wired to breed as much as they can, and the result of our feminist x puritan based system that shoves sexual marketing non-stop at men while making it nearly impossible via shame and the legal system to do *anything* about that is borderline cruel - no different than female mutilation, forced marriage, or any of the other parts of gender history we've supposedly surpassed.
The solution is non-criminal, non-stigmatized prostitution, taxed and safe. Whether it turns into something like Germany, Thailand, or Australia doesn't matter.
What shouldn't be happening is men who work 60-70 hours a week and make good money still needing to resort to things like the Uber guy did to desperately hit on the few women he interacts with daily, while his mind and body screams for sexual release. The guy is a dick, but I think all single men around here in tech might feel understand the feeling when there is typically one or two women among dozens of bro-grammers, and we haven't had sex in two years.
No that doesn't give men the right to harass any woman at work, but society has no right to deny the right of working men the ability to engage in paid sex or intimacy in exchange for our labor. Otherwise, why should men agree to things that definitely disadvantage them - no violence against women even though we're stronger, refusing to pay child support or alimony since we rarely get custody, disproportionate taxes men pay that women receive due to less work and higher lifespans, etc.
When I lived in places like Thailand, Philippines, and even parts of Europe where prostitution was maybe $50 and a short cab ride away, I felt no interest in interacting at all with other women in anyway sexually. If there was a hot women at the bar or at work, I simply did not care to deal with her anymore than possible, even if I wasn't interested in visiting a prostitute later on. It was simply the idea that it was not a critical problem to solve should the urge pop up, which does for most men quite often. In the US, on the other hand, a typical guy can easily go years with sexual intimacy if he is not constantly hitting on women, paying for dates, buying drinks, and otherwise jumping through hoops to interest women for the slightest chance at sex.
It's absurd and, I've decided, a terrible way for any guy to live. Smart guys should get out of the US as fast as possible if they feel similar.
Again, the way the US and some other nations shame and criminalize the most basic urges of men is cruelexcept when it comes to legal prostitution). It will take away a huge amount of power they have over men. Only in places like northern Europe and the US, where prostitution is illegal and feminism is worshiped, do we find the typical type of mangina so pervasive now - always looking to pedestal every women in the hope that she'll see how progressive he is and repay it with sexual favors (note to these guys: she never will - you are friend-zoned from day 1).
But they won't have to deal with the creepy guys hitting on them at work or on the street all the time, either.
...just ask Marissa Meyer.
Doctors does not assume "medical doctor", but if you had bothered to read the link you would see that 70.8% of Medical Doctors Degrees are earned by women.68.9% are Education,etc... READ THE DAMN FACTS!
Your complaint is that women are not choosing to go into CS, Physical Sciences, or Engineering. I thought you were pro woman you bigoted simpleton! Nobody is forcing women into a specific career field. People like you are attempting to force them into it.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
very horrifying
Why should we believe you without evidence?
This is the exact same question so many throw at the victim in the referenced story, so it is only fair that you get the same treatment.
You are welcome.
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shitstorm
I see what you did there.
Proof of forgery is different to proof of non existence. Try again.
Uber to me fosters all kinds of bad behavior. This company is run by people who ignore regulations, and don't use proper vetting in their drivers. I learned first hand that Uber is not about anything but wealthy young males looking to make a fast buck and retire early. Their reaction has always been to investigate. Wink Wink.
You're a woman when you're a good fuck, you're a man when you can pay the rent and drive the car. It's easy for a woman to say "all aboard" and find another sexual partner. It's not so easy for a man to take the car and house he shares with a woman already and commit them to another sexual partner. Many a mistress has learned too late that promises of a house and car are not legally enforceable, so the new partner is vulnerable too.
Adding children to the mix really fucks-over the man: He can be responsible for babies caused by her adultery. As a biological parent or a functional parent, a judge can decide the man's responsibility is paying money to the mother and child, not being a parent, not even doing what's best for the child.
The man has committed large assets to the relationship and is getting little back since his wandering partner hasn't made an equal long-term commitment. What happens when she becomes bored with the current relationship, when she gets pregnant to her fuck-buddy, when her fuck-buddy becomes more desirable (or richer) than her partner?
I've seen women divide their sexual relationships into emotional/financial support and fuck-buddy. It's easy for women to say they don't want a one penis relationship but it is an unequal arrangement that a lot of men can't tolerate.
Crapping out an endless supply of female teachers and nurses and male doctors and scientists
newsflash - total female grads vs male ones from med school in the USA has been above 90% since at least 2002
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Pain is merely failure leaving the body
Unless they are a Democratic President (see: Bill Clinton).
The Republicans only cared because they wanted Clinton gone. Also Lewinsky NEVER filed a complaint against Clinton.
Not that I was ever okay with his hound dog ways and Hillary should have dumped him long before that.
And someone was covering up for Dennis Hastert for a long time. And Gingrich.
Pain is merely failure leaving the body
That to argue for rational dialogue and facts for consideration, people need to state things like "Please understand that I am not in any way saying that harassment in the workplace is OK." In an intellectual space the disclaimers should go without being said. Sadly, intellectuals are not the only ones in this space. I understand why you did, just pointing out something obvious for mass consideration.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Allow me to sum up:
1. woman goes to work at a new company.
2. woman immediately gets treated like shit by manager.
3. woman complains to HR (I assume appropriately)
4. woman gets treated like shit my HR
5. woman learns that many women are treated like shit by managers and HR at this company
6. woman keeps working at this company for how long?!
A lot of women like to cause trouble, instead of being trouble. Stop complaining to HR. Just walk out the door. Complain to media. Complain to friends. Complain to senators. Complain to police. HR isn't obligated to enforce anything. HR isn't on your side. Police are. If treating women like shit isn't illegal, then you've nothing to complain about. If it is illegal, then you need to complain to those who made the laws. HR doesn't do either. Company policies aren't enforced. Welcome to companies.
Start your own company. Join a company with more than 3% women. If you're treated like shit on the first day, don't be surprised when you're treated like shit a year later.
Honestly, what do you think the odds were that you'd be treated like shit on your first day, and it was a random coincidence?
There are bad people in this world. I'm not one of them. And yet, I have a hard time hiring people -- because they look for big companies.
You're talking to slahdotters here. I've spent 30 years programming. I'm happy to say that male programmers, of almost all ages and demographics, treat women like princesses. And yet, in all of my years, I've encountered very few female programmers in any office, venue, bar, or school.
You're complaining that other places treat you like shit. I don't. Come here. I can't do anything more from afar.
The ignorance is yours, and we must conclude that it is entirely wilful in nature, since after repeated attempts to make this clear to you, you still refuse to admit that a sexual advance from someone who has authority over you is completely unlike a sexual advance from someone who does not. This is because someone who has authority over you is in a position to retaliate against you if you refuse the advance.
Are you fantasising about someone who reports to you, perhaps?
Congratulations. Not just sexist, but able-ist (retarded, aspi) and generally bigoted (geek, etc.).
Senator Packwood's intern never filed a complaint against him either.
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
Monica fucking her way up the ladder is absolutely sexual harassment under the law. The victim is the person who would have gotten the job Monica got at the pentagon, along with all the other non-president blowing interns who didn't get ahead by giving head. The perps are both Clinton and Lewinsky. Though the heat would fall mostly on the person with rank.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
It's alright, literacy is more of an adult thing anyway. You'll understand when you're older.
When has it become against the law to tell a girl you are interested in her in the work place? He didn't tie it to her job, nor threaten to fire her. He simply (reading the article) let her know his situation, asked about hers to see if she was game. Now if he was Brad Pitt, she'd be gushing, but was probably an unattractive guy doing it so time to scream harassment.
Was she hot?
A boss making a pass at an subordinate is not sexism. It's a big problem, yes, and it doesn't sound like Uber handled it very well if the woman's account is accurate, but there wasn't any trace of sexism throughout the entire story that I saw (I was skimming) except for the meeting with the HR woman she briefly described at the very end.
The bulk of her story seemed to be just vague conspiratorial stuff, implying her poor performance reviews under another manager on under team was due to the original boss's evil influence which... I don't know, anything's possible, but it doesn't seem like a reasonable default assumption. In the crazed and cutthroat culture she describes, it seems more reasonable to assume it was normal bullshit, not evil anti-woman bullshit.
Oh yeah, and she seemed to think that the company's refusal to order a special feminine version of the special leather jackets they had bought constitutes sexism. Just let that sink in a moment--*not* pandering to arbitrary social conventions that insist a female's jacket has to have a slightly different cut and styling is sexism. Why stop there? Why not insist it's sexism to not give all of the women hot pink keyboard, perhaps spangled with little glittery flowers?
The first step to getting people to take sexism seriously: don't conflate normal (if inappropriate) sexual advances as sexism. That's fucking stupid, and a lot of people will instantly tune you out after they realize that's what you're implying. It's only sexism if there's discrimination involved and, unfortunately for this woman, she's not describing any documented discrimination that I can see. I don't know what I'd tell her except to look up California laws on hidden audio recording, maybe. The HR woman at the very end sounded like she was saying sexist shit, but everyone else, by her own admission, had excuses for her performance evaluations.
Were they bullshit excuses? I'm sure they were. But that's par for the course for performance evaluations in a cutthroat environment; you can't just assume that it's sexism, just because a *former manager on a different team* once made a pass at you.
Learn to stop acting like a bitch and understand that one thing does not necessarily mean the other.
BeauHD. Worst editor since kdawson.
Senator Packwood's intern never filed a complaint against him either.
The Washington Post published accusations from 10 former female staffers in 1992, the New York Times published a long column called The Trials of Bob Packwood in Aug 1993 and Packwood still didn't quit until Sept 1995
Pain is merely failure leaving the body
It's called "The Law", you moron. She has the right to present evidence in court. She doesn't have the right to dump it on the Internet so morons like you without even a basic grasp of the law can decide if she is right or wrong and if she did that she could find herself being sued by the very people she is making accusations against.
Everything is sexism not just good old fashion we hate you.
Well said brave Sir. I too am sick of being crushed under the heels of powerful women. You must tell everyone! Log onto Twitter and in solidarity tell everyone you are standing behind Milo Y!
So this information is
> unconfirmed
> unverified
> from a disgruntled former employee - not the most reliable source of information
> a fairly mild accusation - saying you might want to date a colleague
OK people let's just suspend judgement for 10 seconds until we actually have some solid factual material to go on.
Her post specifies that there were 150 people in her unit when 3% were women. That's about five women.
It's possible that she's the only person who left and the company only hired men from that point, which would be problematic in itself and indicate that the unit grew from 20 people to 150 within a year.
It's possible that the unit had no net change in size, which would indicate that the unit started with 37 women, which would indicate that over 90% of the women in the unit left in the course of one year. That isn't a sign of a healthy working environment.
A lack of punishment doesn't mean the thing wasn't wrong. Bill Clinton avoided punishment, not wrongdoing.
And then she willingly blew him and dribbled cum onto her dress. Takes two to tango.
> I know, I know, they cleverly hid it behind the first link in the story.
Claiming you have proof is not the same as actually showing it to us. It's perfectly reasonable for us, who haven't seen these screenshots, to withhold judgement until either we see them or she wins the court case.
There's no prize for being the first person to judge someone. The word 'prejudice' literally means judging someone beforehand.
Why can't we wait for all the evidence to come out in court before we condemn someone or make up our minds? I will hold no position either way and will let the courts judge this. She can show the proof to them and they can judge this, there's no need for any of us to pre-judge this.
He was impeached for lying under oath about it because he was embarrassed. He never actually got in trouble for the blow jobs.
No, you're wrong.
Harassment is a pattern of unwanted behavior. For it to be harassment it has to happen more than once and the harasser generally has to be told it's unwanted or it's against policy, or it has so flagrant that no "reasonable person" would invite such behavior.
Being a superior doesn't change that. HR may think otherwise, but they can't stop people from fucking whomever they want. At worst, you just have to inform HR of your relationship and they reassign managers/supervisors/whatever to avoid issues.
How is it that sexism is running rampant in Silicon Valley? Isn't that where all the people that voted for Hilary live? They're a people of understanding and equality. They would never do this. It has to be fake news.
So did he stop being an engineer when stopped at Uber? That's what the headline implies.
There are a disturbing amount of reddit red pill motherfucking trolls posting on this thread. Please take your shit back there, you don't belong anywhere else. If you're posting shit about this lady, and can't get a girl, it's because you're a neckbeard loser. That has nothing to do with beta or alpha. Get a life, GTFOML, find happiness somewhere (for real), quit disparaging our female colleagues, and frankly, fuck off. I'm a neckbeard that respects women, and I've been laid this year more than you have in your entire life (by the same lady even, and it's February). FUCK OFF. You're a disgrace to all of us that respect women. Many (hopefully most) of us believe in a modern society where women and men are equal persons. Go jack off in your parent's basement, and leave. You lower the intellect of our collective professions and should be culled. Misogyny is a huge problem in our industry. Fix it, or GTFO, or actually get a job, watch how our friends are treated, and go fuck yourself.
Empathy. It's a real thing, but I have none for you, not that you care, because you have none yourself. The world doesn't owe you jack shit, much less hot ass.
PS Don't comment about your supposed game. We all know you have none, or you wouldn't be here. Just fuck off already. Have you considered therapy? If not, I hear cutting yourself might help. Yeah I'm AC. I don't particularly look forward to dickless motherfuckers making my life irritating. Go fuck yourselves. Maybe talk to a lady in real life (nicely). Just because a pretty girl doesn't fuck you doesn't mean you're entitled, you asshole.
No, but WE are asking the smart question: if so MANY women choose to avoid those fields - WHY. What is it about those fields that make so many women prefer to stay the hell away from it ?
Now, based on available evidence, we have a strong theory about what the answer may be - a theory you definitely do not agree with. Now a rational answer would be to posit and alternative theory, or show that somehow, the evidence for our theory is false.
You have made no attempt to do either - you tried to derail the conversation by focusing on something else entirely. You accuse us of trying to force choices on women - which is the exact OPPOSITE of trying to fix things which force choices on women. But you never addressed the evidence for our theory, and you posited no alternative hypotheses to explain the phenomenon and the evidence.
I can therefore only conclude that you are incapable of doing so. If we're wrong- you've done absolutely nothing to correct us, if we're right, all you've done is tried ot delay us fixing the problem. That is a very sensible thing to do... if you are part of the problem.
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1) That people would know the difference between sexual advance and harassment (note how you often can't know in advance if it is wanted or not)
2) That in boss => subordinate scenario, top to bottom sexual advancement should be considered outright harassment (for apparent reasons)
I know I might be playing devil's advocate here, but:
The HR rep began the meeting by asking me if I had noticed that *I* was the common theme in all of the reports I had been making, and that if I had ever considered that I might be the problem.
This worries me. What if HR are onto something? Can we fully trust her account of what happened here?
Its from the verge. How about another source
http://www.deepfreeze.it/outlet.php?o=the_verge
Fuck you Puritan Progressive fascists. Stop trying to force yourselves on an unwilling populace.
Isn't that what this bottom feeding pox on workers does best?
Unless they are a Democratic President (see: Bill Clinton).
I was going to reply to the GP, but seeing as you bought up this nugget I have to point out how stupid it is.
It is actually OK for the boss to ask for consentual sex with a subordinate. Fuck, it happens all the time, forgive the pun, between successful middle aged men and young women in private companies. If GWB had consentual sex with an intern, he also would have done nothing wrong (legally speaking, of course his party would have crucified him for it, but that's besides the point). The key word is consent. Bill had it, this Uber twat didn't. However, what the twat at Uber did wrong was to continue to make sexual advances after it was made clear they were unwanted.
Then what Uber did wrong was refuse to sack the guy because he was too highly placed.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
You gave no evidence in your claim, you simply made up a fairy tale to back a broken assumption.
For your belief, basic evidence is being avoided. Outside of personal choice (based largely on biology), Aptitude and Skill Assessments are the largest factor in determining a degree track for both men and women. I seriously hope you are not going to attempt to claim that the same tests keeping men out of certain fields are biased against women, but hell... you probably will.
90% of school teachers are women. Are women brain washing kids away from certain subjects? That's a big part of your "theory". You don't consider evolutionary biology, just claim bias.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
You just requested proof of non-existence. No evidence was provided to support the claim, just another "claim" that it existed. Let me guess, your next move will be to use circular logic in an effort to substantiate her claims.
If you don't have basic critical thinking skills you should stay off the fucking Internet.
Critical thinking skills? You are a special kind of stupid, eh? The person I responded to said she had no evidence. If one reads the article one sees that she did keep records of her correspondence. If the OP has reason to think she is lying about said records, he needs to back it up with something other than, "I don't believe her". I'm sure that will make sense to you, considering your impressive critical thinking skills.
"What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
After Ellen Pao, UNLV, Duke LaCrosse, and countless false police reports (resulting in legal action) about discrimination I'm waiting for evidence.
I am familiar with the case, maybe even more than you are, and I can't draw any conclusions from it as to who was right here. I'm American and I've actually served on juries twice and I can tell you that in a case like this when juries have no idea who is telling the truth, they'll opt for the least harm verdict, which means that ruling against Ellen Pao is the safest course of action because it avoids ruling against defendants who may actually be innocent. People get found innocent of murder because there's nothing more than circumstantial evidence in the case and juries won't always convict just on that. Both Ellen and the defendants provided reasonable, believable versions of what happened. The only conclusion I can come to is that Ellen didn't prove her case sufficiently for whatever reason and it shows just how difficult it is to win workplace lawsuits. Some years ago we had a lawyer who actually did this kind of work post about them and he told us that his first advice to all prospective clients was to drop the matter and get on with their lives if they possibly could because most workplace discrimination cases are losses for the plaintiffs.
You already conceded the evidence. Very few women choose STEM careers.
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As for evolutionary biology: merely mentioning it as a possibility proves three things:
1) you do not understand it all as it cannot lead to such outcomes. When biology says women are on average more X than men 60 percent of women will be less X than 40 percent if men. Because thats how bell curves work.
2) that the problem of sexist biases makimg these tracks unattractive to women is very real
3) that you are, as I previously posited, part of the problem.
Unicode killed the ASCII-art *
Now, based on available evidence, we have a strong theory about what the answer may be
If the theory is so strong, then it should be able to make useful predictions, and/or useful solutions be created based on the theory.
But we haven't seen that. There is no evidence that people are applying the theory to address the issue. We don't hear about the successes OR the failures.
Now a rational answer would be to posit and alternative theory, or show that somehow, the evidence for our theory is false.
No, a rational response is to simply stop buying into the theory and/or solution. Not every one is an expert is the relevant fields to come up with better theories or evidence. You don't have to be doctor to notice that a lot of people ain't getting better under a certain doctor, and stop seeing that doctor. Don't have to be a cook to know when something tastes bad, etc.
Your expectation for him to do more is irrational
You casting him as "part of the problem" when he doesn't meet your expectations (a false dilemma) is also irrational.
Women are not going into science and engineering. It is, however, difficult to tease out whether that is a true choice that reflects personal inclinations. Women are less likely to be encouraged to go into those fields from a young age. If they do, they often encounter a culture that is hostile to women.
It particularly saddens me that the culture of software development has become an unfriendly one for women. That was far less true in the early days of the field. The rise of brogrammer culture, so far as I can tell, started in the 90s; before that there was frequently indifference to the needs of women (especially about scheduling things like childcare responsibilities) but not the degree of active hostility that came later.
90% of school teachers are women. Are women brain washing kids away from certain subjects?
The gender imbalance in teachers is a recognized problem and arguing that schools are not engaged in indoctrination is pointless, it is in their mottos and some states even expressly acknowledge that as their purpose in their constitutions.
I have heard this from so many women scientists, systems engineers, and other IT specialists who are female.
There is a problem.
My key ROI on this is:
1. Stop using the old boys network, your frat buddies, to find recruits. Set a goal of 50 percent promotions, 50 percent board position candidates, and 50 percent new hires being female.
2. If you think having one woman in the after hours drinking means you're diverse - you're wrong.
3. If you're female, stop undercutting other women when they have ideas. Most groups won't hear a woman's idea unless at least two women agree with the idea. If a male steals credit for the idea, call it out right there. Don't wait for a "good moment to bring it up". There is no good moment.
4. If you find 1-3 impossible, then you're just pretending you're a real business.
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No, you're wrong.
Harassment is a pattern of unwanted behavior. For it to be harassment it has to happen more than once and the harasser generally has to be told it's unwanted or it's against policy, or it has so flagrant that no "reasonable person" would invite such behavior.
Being a superior doesn't change that. HR may think otherwise, but they can't stop people from fucking whomever they want. At worst, you just have to inform HR of your relationship and they reassign managers/supervisors/whatever to avoid issues.
Actually, the courts have shown that no reasonable person" expects their new supervisor to ask for sex (day 1). This would meet the "egregious" standard and not be required to be a pattern of behavior.
Now the threat of a lowered evaluation for reporting such actions and then discovering others also were subjected to similar behavior by the same management official? If true, you open up your checkbook as a company and figure out how many zeros the check is going to need to make this go away. The alternative is the EEOC gets involved and it ends up you write the check any way AND end up subjected to EEOC mandated monitoring for a few years to ensure you don't repeat the mistake.
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And she stated it was unwanted and even went to HR to explain how unwanted it was.
That's laughable.
I know, so sexist. But has anyone seen that ad where the cashier is ogling a guy's pecs? Imagine if the genders had been switched.
Sex exists. What this guy did may have been out of line, but there should be a structure in which to literally ask this question.
She says she took screenshots. There is no independent evidence beyond what she says, and her story doesn't seem credible.
According to her, there are independent witnesses who were both also sexually harassed by the same man and actively lied to by HR using the same lie.
This claim should be super easy to prove if true, and super easy to disprove if false.
It would be, if anybody had an opportunity to. Note how neither she nor the other women have filed a court case? Why do you think that is?
Uber, on the other hand, hired a famous legal social justice activist, Eric Holder, to look into the allegations.
I suspect her allegations will turn out to be largely wrong. And if her allegations are false, she should never hold a job in tech again.