The great zero challenge was never accepted, so I'd say it's safe to say that spinning hard disk data can reliably erased.
*shrug* Not my area of expertise, but in a past life the company I worked for had a product which was certified to do the secure wipe. No idea if it was no longer necessary or not. But it was done.
I've never seen it done, that's for sure.
I've never seen Platypus mate, but I'm fairly confident it happens.
Heck, the tinfoil hat crowd might say that the lettered agencies who can do this simply didn't participate.
It should be noted that the multiple rewrites thing is only require for "old school" HDDs. Modern magnetic HDs only need a single pass (as referenced by the wikipedia article that you cite).
Well, the DoD still seem to prefer more 'aggressive' techniques, and apparently don't agree with NIST on this (I believe this is what you were referencing):
As of November 2007, the United States Department of Defense considers overwriting acceptable for clearing magnetic media within the same security area/zone, but not as a sanitization method. Only degaussing or physical destruction is acceptable for the latter.
On the other hand, according to the 2006 NIST Special Publication 800-88 (p. 7): "Studies have shown that most of todayâ(TM)s media can be effectively cleared by one overwrite" and "for ATA disk drives manufactured after 2001 (over 15 GB) the terms clearing and purging have converged."
I still prefer serious physical destruction if you really want to be sure there's nothing recoverable.
You know, I've never understood this one. If you have written a zero to every sector on the hard drive, including the hidden space, how in the world is it possible to recover any data at all?
Suffice it to say, simply writing a bunch of zeros doesn't erase all traces of what was on. With old school HDs, you needed to write random data to each location multiple times -- there's a DoD spec for doing it (DoD 5220.22-M).
I believe the article is saying that it doesn't seem to work with SSDs.
Hero learns of a great evil threatening the land, and sets out to destroy it.
Rags to Riches
Surrounded by dark forces who suppress and ridicule him, the Hero slowly blossoms into a mature figure who ultimately gets riches, a kingdom, and the perfect mate.
The Quest
Hero learns of a great Mac Guffin that he desperately wants to find, and sets out to find it, often with companions.
Voyage and Return
Hero heads off into a magic land with crazy rules, ultimately triumphs over the madness and returns home far more mature than when he set out.
Comedy
Hero and Heroine are destined to get together, but a dark force is preventing them from doing so; the story conspires to make the dark force repent, and suddenly the Hero and Heroine are free to get together. This is part of a cascade of effects that shows everyone for who they really are, and allows two or more other relationships to correctly form.
Tragedy
The flip side of the Overcoming the Monster plot. Our protagonist character is the Villain, but we get to watch him slowly spiral down into darkness before he's finally defeated, freeing the land from his evil influence.
Rebirth
As with the Tragedy plot, but our protagonist manages to realize his error before it's too late, and does a Heel Face Turn to avoid inevitable defeat.
Not sure if Watchmen actually fits any of those, but that was kinda the point.
I'm sorry, but Heavy Metal's plot is that a guy saves a girl in a few different dimensions and gets sexual favors as a result. Oh, and the dimensional thing was caused by this evil orb. That might qualify for a porno, but not for a Hollywood movie.
Riiight. Because, Hollywood plots are always based on well thought-out ideas with cohesive plots and never stray into the realm of thinly put together stories.
And, really, if you think about it... a series of vignettes that take place around a mysterious glowing green thing is, well, Pulp Fiction.
Seriously, take away the sex (or at least showing it), and I would argue that a tremendous amount of Hollywood movies have a plot not much more sophisticated than a porno... well, at least the ones that make a pretense at plot. Hell, The Devil in Miss Jones had a far better plot than most movies in the last decade.
I like how all of Microsoft's solutions to this Internet-wide problem assume that absolutely everybody is using their software. Honestly, half the problem would go away if everybody stopped using their software.
Yeah, that about sums it up... Microsoft's "Trustworthy" computing has always been about locking the damn thing down so tightly you can't use it, relying on their own proprietary technologies so that everybody pays them, and pretending like it's not the security holes in their OS that is the root problem.
For agreeing with me on almost all points, your sure took a hostile tone. I really don't get the crux of where you think we differ.
OK, fair comment that.
Sometimes it can be difficult to differentiate between the anti-Apple screeds and other comments. Your opening paragraph seemed to play to all of the stereotypes of Apple consumers of hipsters and sheep who will buy anything Apple tells them to.
I interpreted yours as being equally haughty on the topic.
Because Apple does a much better job about delivering a large set of eyeballs attached to people who are already trained to pay out money for cool shiny things.
Oh, get over it. Apple consumers are no more conditioned to buy shiny things than anybody else, and, in case you haven't been paying attention.... absolutely everybody is scrambling to go to a locked down marketplace so they can "monetize the eyeballs". Apple does a better job of providing an integrated experience that just 'works' without all sorts of extraneous fiddly bits that 99% of the people will never use.
I am not in their target demographic: young, trendy, willing to spend money for the cool factor.
Well, I'm old, geeky, and have never purchased anything from the iTunes store. I am however willing to pay a premium for a device which actually works the way I want it to. But, hey, feel free to enjoy your Zune and your WinCE-based device if it makes you feel any better -- I'm sure they're really great things.
I suspect most droid users would say "fuck it... I can get the same info for free if I just spend 10 seconds and Google it".
Well, given that I read my news primarily in my Google news, I don't know who is going to subscribe to Murdoch's magazine (hint, it won't be "young and trendy"). But, clearly, they feel that someone is lining up to purchase this.
Why spend $50 on a model when you can spend $50 million on a model?
Well, if you bump up the cost of the first by an order of magnitude or two (we're not talking about a lego set here), and drop the price of the latter by an order of magnitude (let's face it, 3D virtualization has come down in price)...
If it makes for a more effective training tool, and allows them to run better scenarios, then it actually seems like a good investment. This is kinda what they do in terms of job function.
The breakthrough could lead to a twofold increase in performance for home wireless networks and end that annoying habit of pilots finishing every sentence with "over".
Ummm, yeah. Except for with voice, you can't have fully bi-directional communication.
It's not possible to listen to the other guy while you're talking. So, pilots and anybody who needs to have any actual radio discipline will still need to say "over".
Otherwise it would sound like a typical con-call when everybody is trying to talk at once.
The Secret Serviceâ(TM)s James J. Rowley Training Center near Washington, D.C., sought to take these scenarios beyond a static environment to encompass the dynamic threat spectrum that exists today, while taking full advantage of the latest computer software technology.
So, do more and do it better.
It also seems that this would change the learning styles for the agents.
Yeah, from TFA...
Both third- and first-person viewing perspectives for overhead site evaluation and for a virtual âoewalk-throughâ of the site, reflecting how it would be performed in the field.
You can't do a walk-through in a table-top model. This is more like the real thing. Seriously, The Fine Article actually explains this stuff. They get a lot of new capability they don't have now.
They wouldn't have sought this out if they didn't think it would be to their benefit. Hell, I suspect if they built this right, they could input real locations and do some of their preliminary work on the computer, so they start out with more information.
And yet people selling a nonphysical product keep beating us over the head with the metaphor of "You wouldn't shoplift the disk, pirating is the exact same thing."
*shrug* Not defending it, merely explaining it.
And, yes, at the retail level, they want to sell it as a physical good but then have it become shrink-wrapped software that can't be returned because it may have already been copied. Same applies for any 'software'.
As has been pointed out many times, you'd get in far less trouble for stealing a couple of hundred DVDs from a store than you would for having the equivalent files in a shared folder.
Sadly, the copyright interests have more or less won the war in terms of getting laws stacked to their side and screwing over the consumer. Hopefully we can see some sanity at some point, but I'm not holding my breath -- ACTA has pretty much enshrined that they have rights established by international treaty, and the rest of us can go fsck ourselves.
Nope. As long as producers refuse to let me return shit like Transformers 2, Day the Earth Stood Still, Avatar, and so on, then I feel I have a right to Take action to not waste my money (i.e. to try before I buy). Every other industry in the world provides a return policy - why should music/movie makers be any different?
Well, like it or not, the belief is that with software (which is what they class the movies as) -- if you take it home, you could copy it. Then you return the item, and you now have your digital copy, but have been refunded the purchase price.
From the perspective of the people who sell these things, it's impossible to tell the difference between something that didn't work, and something which was pirated. Unfortunately, once it was classed as "software", and therefore something which it was presumed you could copy, they stopped treating it like a physical good -- I can't make a copy of a TV and then return the original.
I'm not saying I totally agree, but I can at least see the line of reasoning as to why software/games/movies are in a slightly odd category and aren't treated like a physical object -- because they aren't, really. (Now, something like an old Nintendo cartridge I would argue isn't "software".)
And, really, if you want a "try before you buy" model, then either see the movie in a theater or rent the damned thing. You still have that option available to you.
The best cordless phone sounds nearly as good as the worst mobile
Then you have been using shitty cordless phones.
The Panasonic ones I have in the house have a tremendous amount of talk time (6 hrs or so), huge standy (3-4 days), and sound better than my cell phone and as good as any wired phone I've ever used. I can also go several hundred feet from the base station. They've also got a built-in speaker phone and a headset jack.
You appear to be talking out of your backside or have only bought cheap POS cordless phones.
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Wow, you managed to pull a car analogy out of this thread. Awesome, dude! ;-)
*shrug* Not my area of expertise, but in a past life the company I worked for had a product which was certified to do the secure wipe. No idea if it was no longer necessary or not. But it was done.
I've never seen Platypus mate, but I'm fairly confident it happens.
Heck, the tinfoil hat crowd might say that the lettered agencies who can do this simply didn't participate.
Well, the DoD still seem to prefer more 'aggressive' techniques, and apparently don't agree with NIST on this (I believe this is what you were referencing):
I still prefer serious physical destruction if you really want to be sure there's nothing recoverable.
Essentially, residual magnetism and other sciency-bits.
Suffice it to say, simply writing a bunch of zeros doesn't erase all traces of what was on. With old school HDs, you needed to write random data to each location multiple times -- there's a DoD spec for doing it (DoD 5220.22-M).
I believe the article is saying that it doesn't seem to work with SSDs.
OK, fair.
How about e-Hysteria 2.0 then? Possibly i-Hysteria 2.0, but that might be trademarked already.
Well, more like seven stories, actually:
Not sure if Watchmen actually fits any of those, but that was kinda the point.
To anybody making movies, I second this.
Or, just keep making Resident Evil movies until Milla Jovovich doesn't have the body for the mandatory nude scene.
Riiight. Because, Hollywood plots are always based on well thought-out ideas with cohesive plots and never stray into the realm of thinly put together stories.
And, really, if you think about it ... a series of vignettes that take place around a mysterious glowing green thing is, well, Pulp Fiction.
Seriously, take away the sex (or at least showing it), and I would argue that a tremendous amount of Hollywood movies have a plot not much more sophisticated than a porno ... well, at least the ones that make a pretense at plot. Hell, The Devil in Miss Jones had a far better plot than most movies in the last decade.
Come on, that's so lame ... it should be Cyber-Hysteria^2. Way cooler and hip for the kids.
Urectum is the name the planet Uranus was changed to in 2620 to avoid people making the "your anus" joke.
No, I think that's the April 1st "OMG Ponies" screen -- that causes me to impose a ban on Slashdot for the day because that thing is so fugly.
Given the amount of trolling and whatnot, I'd be surprised if people actually get banned.
Yeah, that about sums it up ... Microsoft's "Trustworthy" computing has always been about locking the damn thing down so tightly you can't use it, relying on their own proprietary technologies so that everybody pays them, and pretending like it's not the security holes in their OS that is the root problem.
OK, fair comment that.
Sometimes it can be difficult to differentiate between the anti-Apple screeds and other comments. Your opening paragraph seemed to play to all of the stereotypes of Apple consumers of hipsters and sheep who will buy anything Apple tells them to.
I interpreted yours as being equally haughty on the topic.
My bad. =)
So, use the WiFi for those kind of transfers.
Oh, get over it. Apple consumers are no more conditioned to buy shiny things than anybody else, and, in case you haven't been paying attention .... absolutely everybody is scrambling to go to a locked down marketplace so they can "monetize the eyeballs". Apple does a better job of providing an integrated experience that just 'works' without all sorts of extraneous fiddly bits that 99% of the people will never use.
Well, I'm old, geeky, and have never purchased anything from the iTunes store. I am however willing to pay a premium for a device which actually works the way I want it to. But, hey, feel free to enjoy your Zune and your WinCE-based device if it makes you feel any better -- I'm sure they're really great things.
Well, given that I read my news primarily in my Google news, I don't know who is going to subscribe to Murdoch's magazine (hint, it won't be "young and trendy"). But, clearly, they feel that someone is lining up to purchase this.
I'm afraid I'm gonna have to invoke Rule 34 on that one. ;-)
Well, if you bump up the cost of the first by an order of magnitude or two (we're not talking about a lego set here), and drop the price of the latter by an order of magnitude (let's face it, 3D virtualization has come down in price) ...
If it makes for a more effective training tool, and allows them to run better scenarios, then it actually seems like a good investment. This is kinda what they do in terms of job function.
Ummm, yeah. Except for with voice, you can't have fully bi-directional communication.
It's not possible to listen to the other guy while you're talking. So, pilots and anybody who needs to have any actual radio discipline will still need to say "over".
Otherwise it would sound like a typical con-call when everybody is trying to talk at once.
Ummm ... to improve on it?
So, do more and do it better.
Yeah, from TFA ...
You can't do a walk-through in a table-top model. This is more like the real thing. Seriously, The Fine Article actually explains this stuff. They get a lot of new capability they don't have now.
They wouldn't have sought this out if they didn't think it would be to their benefit. Hell, I suspect if they built this right, they could input real locations and do some of their preliminary work on the computer, so they start out with more information.
Given how widespread the ACTA Treaty is becoming, as far as copying digital books, you probably are. :(
*shrug* Not defending it, merely explaining it.
And, yes, at the retail level, they want to sell it as a physical good but then have it become shrink-wrapped software that can't be returned because it may have already been copied. Same applies for any 'software'.
As has been pointed out many times, you'd get in far less trouble for stealing a couple of hundred DVDs from a store than you would for having the equivalent files in a shared folder.
Sadly, the copyright interests have more or less won the war in terms of getting laws stacked to their side and screwing over the consumer. Hopefully we can see some sanity at some point, but I'm not holding my breath -- ACTA has pretty much enshrined that they have rights established by international treaty, and the rest of us can go fsck ourselves.
Well, like it or not, the belief is that with software (which is what they class the movies as) -- if you take it home, you could copy it. Then you return the item, and you now have your digital copy, but have been refunded the purchase price.
From the perspective of the people who sell these things, it's impossible to tell the difference between something that didn't work, and something which was pirated. Unfortunately, once it was classed as "software", and therefore something which it was presumed you could copy, they stopped treating it like a physical good -- I can't make a copy of a TV and then return the original.
I'm not saying I totally agree, but I can at least see the line of reasoning as to why software/games/movies are in a slightly odd category and aren't treated like a physical object -- because they aren't, really. (Now, something like an old Nintendo cartridge I would argue isn't "software".)
And, really, if you want a "try before you buy" model, then either see the movie in a theater or rent the damned thing. You still have that option available to you.
No ... just that he can't tell everyone else how to do it when Sony can make the case that what he's shown is how to do illegal things.
Now, as to if that makes any sense ...
In Soviet America, Sony Fucks you.
Then you have been using shitty cordless phones.
The Panasonic ones I have in the house have a tremendous amount of talk time (6 hrs or so), huge standy (3-4 days), and sound better than my cell phone and as good as any wired phone I've ever used. I can also go several hundred feet from the base station. They've also got a built-in speaker phone and a headset jack.
You appear to be talking out of your backside or have only bought cheap POS cordless phones.