There should be another aspect that should be pointed out in the race for technology.
There have been several media related technologies advanced signicantly by the search for porn. An excellent example is VCR's. Guys bought the VCR's, the guys programmed the vcr's, the girls said 'wow these are useful!' and use them as well. Now, it is a gender neutral technological item.
The same thing will happen with the internet eventually. Many girls I know are involved in using their computers for their own purposes, but very few use their computers solely for porn. However, I've met a few guys who have bought cluster arrays to store their porn. Hell, look at Cobalt's major vendor, it's porn online!
Anyway, once again, another modivating factor for men to get online (free porn!) and another modivating factor for women to turn gay (ugh. horny geeks.)
I think that the knife cuts both ways in employement. The lack of geek women in the field increases the likely hood that they would be hired by a heavily male team.
Given two people, with equal technical backgrounds, most techs will think a female would be the nicer one than the male. hence, she has a small advantage. Also, managers prefer at least one women in a team so it isn't quite so lopsided.
The problem starts much much earlier than getting a job. You can get a job by just being able to pronounce unix these days. (ugh). It starts in school, and where interests lie, and what they want to do when they grow up. not after they are in the field.
The job market in any IT profession is very very strong, so don't say 'they can't get a job'.
The gender issues with techs is a strange one... Here is one aspect of it, and only one aspect of it.
The things that influence a geek to become a geek are influenced by more than just the geeks themselves. It's also how we are viewed by society. And your image of yourself and how you want to fit into that society.
No one told me unix sockets were sexy, I just felt they were. But how do you explain to a non-geek why? Like explaining to your parents why VA will take off like a rocket when it IPO's... But would a young girl think to themselves 'I want to be just like Mathew Brodrick in WarGames!' Very doubtful. Or the Angelia Jolie in Hackers?
It's changing the image of the geek, and making it a bit easier for women to feel comfortable in the geek image. This could be a starting place, so geek girls wouldn't feel all out of place when they are discussing TCP/IP flags with friends.
On that same note, is it just me, or does "All tomorrow's partys" not actually have a very satisfying ending? The major conflict of the book seems to be igored when it comes to the rounding up chapters! Or am I just missing the obvious? I suggest you read it again, and remember that Gibson has a very subtle end. and when you finally 'get it', it has a great impact. The most significant event in the book is witnessed by the most minor of characters with very mild interest.
I actually helped port 1.08 to AIX back in 96-97. At the time, we had 1.08 available on the PC, but only.98 on AIX. and we had some pretty high powered AIX boxes. so after doing some searching, I actually managed to find the source free on the net. Anyway, the AIX support was still in there, but broken a couple places. so I patched it up, and wow, it worked! and even better than.98. then we could play against PC's again!
Anyway, I talked to Zoid about releasing it, but he was very unhappy that I had gotten the source, so I thought it was against my best interest to release it (at the time, I thought the source was legal because I had found it on a regular FTP site). But IBM was still distributing Quake 1 v.98 on their Demo disks (which i'm sure they still are).
Anyway, maybe i'll see if I can port it again, as my original copies are prolly lost on an old 43P.
Course, this is only one freak's opinion on another freak, so take it with a grain of salt. `8r)
Course, I love Christine1130 so my response should also be taken in the same manner....
I'm so proud of you, posting to slashdot finally! heh
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First, I'd like to clarify that this isn't exactly a slashdot level story, but the guy does has some history in computers. And there are some huge collections of people on the internet that are freaks... heh get used to the idea.
Secondly, there's RAB and #bodyart on EFnet. I used to hang out there, and it's a great place for the freaks. It's funny that it gets so easy to spot the posers ('I got my belly button pierced') and the hard core people ('I got this piece of plastic embeded in my forhead!').
But please remember the Media distorotion that happens. He might look like a Reptile, but he's a nice enough guy. Smart too.
I started hanging on #bodyart cause my friends did, posted to RAB a few times, met my current girlfriend at a munch party, ran the bot on #bodyart, and then gave it all up. I don't look like a freak, but there is a reason people call me Gonzo in real life, i'm told anyway.
There are freaks out there. get used to the idea. and not all of them are freakish on the inside like yourself, some like the outward freakish appearance.
There are the share of posers, but how many script kiddiez do you know that think they are bad ass because they have 0-d4y \,\,4R3Z!
There are some people who know who they are talking about, just jumped in the story late, so I can't contribute my good karma properly. sorry man. I missed the gun.
hey tim! heh
I always just tell the story about how my girlfriend got busted on the candian border in a car with eric and one of their other friends, and how the candian border police treated them.. heh.
Just because a person is against organized religion does not make them an atheist or against the posibility of some brand of diety. It just makes them intelligent, seeing the source of organized religion.
Yes, before making break through scientific discoveries, I always conference with my local religious leaders to find out if the position of God is open.
I mean, after all, the Catholic Church is responsible for so much progress in the modern world, like the no contraception rule. and that had to make a few extra billon people. and at least one of them had to go into science, right?
It's always kind of annoying that when the Anonymous Coward stories start to pop up that they really get annoying. I run with a -1 threshold, so I see the page and a half of 'BUNG'.
I can almost imagine this scenerio:
So-and-so said outlawing guns would be a first step towards safer schools.
For a bit of reflective history, you can look at the past attempts at getting an anonymous email address on the internet. For a long time, there were anonymous remailers, located in odd places. And these were one by one shutdown. Most were free and maintained by individuals
Now we have companies such as yahoo and altavista that allow free anonymous email address. And these are sponsored by companies, which could defend the attacks of critics of anonymous mail. What I find funny is that no cares if you have 10 anonymous email accounts on yahoo.
And if you've ever had any sort of semi-legal situation with a yahoo mail account, you'd understand that it's very difficult to get information on the person!
Anyway, it's funny how large corporations can get away with ideas, and even make them the norm, while individuals are hounded and have their sites shutdown for the exact same ideals... *sigh*
Ah, I see. I'm obviously stupid if I couldn't figure it out. I mean, there was such a wealth of information available. When I did ask debian people about it, they said 'reinstall' which wasn't an option. and this was from many debian people. And they were so helpful with that! I mean, my requirement of not being physically there was instantly grasped and not greated with answers like 'that's really dumb, why can't you pop a floppy into it?' and 'Why wouldn't you want a clean install anyway?' Yes, I'm obviously not a king stud in debian like you are. But that's okay, I am not pimping one distribution because that is all I have ever used.
Anyway, it was a bad reception, and at the time, I didn't know Debian very well. At the time, I only knew slack, redhat, generic, AIX, and some FreeBSD. Now, almost every app on the box has been upgraded by hand, and it's not fun to work with, but the box works, and that's all that really matters.
and the linux zealots just seem to come out of the woodwork, I don't know why I bother. 'My distribution is better, and if you had problems with it, you are a stupid head!'
I guess it should be pointed out that at the time I didn't know debian at all. the box is pretty non-recognizable now. Not a big deal, but the only options I had required me to be onsite, and to pop disks, which was not an option for me. and considering i've been maintaining the box for 2+ years now, it's running pretty well. course, almost everything has been upgraded by hand. And if anything went wrong, I would have been screwed.
Most Linux distributions have a network install as you have described. What i was going for was something similar to jumpstart on Solaris. Those of us who are Solaris admins for a living *love* jumpstart, because it's one less interactive menu to sit through. plus customizations are *easy*! Anyway, this is more of an enterprise Linux discussion, not desktop.
I mean an automated method of remotely installing the OS. not installing the OS manually via the network. Similar to Jumpstart (solaris) or ignite (HP/UX).
Has no one heard of kickstart before? heh You build one floppy before you rebuild your linux box, put it in, if you ever want to reformat etc, you just pop in the floppy again. it's great. `8r) and for any network admin, it's great because you don't have to make choices on the fly, you make them all in advanced.
Sorry, I guess I've confused a lot of people today with this question.
BTW, Redhat also allows network updates as well. rpm -Uvh ftp://ftp.cs.wisc.edu/pub/redhat/i386/RedHat/RPMS/ example.rpm or rpmsrelay, freshrpms, or autoupdate. and RedHat supports local disk, ftp, http, nfs, smb, and cdrom. I'm not saying use redhat all the time, I just encourage people to try new distro's least they become that slackware advocate that ignores reason. ('Pre-compiled objects are bad! I compile everything I use by hand!') don't knock it until you've tried it, ya know?
True, Debian does a first class job of taking care of dependances. but you might not have noticed that redhat also takes care of dependances for you as well. Plus, I always have the option of --force with rpm's when it can't find the right one. Not sure when you last updated a product yourself, but it sometimes hard to let the distribution know you have already upgraded to a newer libc. And that goes for all distributions.
The only problem I have with Debian is that they stranded a remote box I adminster on debian 1.3, when they moved to glibc. The same as when Redhat went to glibc. So dist-upgrade doesn't always work.
But you are correct about Debian being better at finding brand new software, that is an excellent utility. `8r) but redhat has upgrade utilities as well, such as freshrpms, autoupdate, and rpmsrelay.
but please, zealots, try some different products out before you declare all others inferior.
I was not fighting you on the 'upgrade' options on debian. I will admit, adding new packages is very easy in debian. What I was refering to was network installations. I'm not sure how familar you are with commercial Unix, but most have some sort of network installation (such as Ignite and Jumpstart). What might have clued you in is if you've heard of Kickstart.
The way it works is a server listens on the net for ARP requests. when it gets those ARP's, it returns with a machine name and the ability to give it a boot block. hence, you have a centralized server that you can have a standardized, customized configuration of the RedHat linux distribution.
Anyway, we were just talking about two different things, there isn't any reason to get all uptight because you think i'm attacking debian. oh, and upgrading redhat is just as easy with freshrpms, rpmsrelay, and autoupdate. And i'd prefer redhat's 1 or 2 floppies to debians 6 floppies, if you want to get technical. But I think debian has it's own strengths.
and just because you havn't played with all the unix distributions yourself doesn't mean that the functionality isn't there.
Hrm, I think I understand what this thing is. 30 buck price tag, plus the words 'External 5-Port Dual Speed Ethernet Switch' means this is actually a hub, but just a 10/100 hub with seperate backplanes. hence, it's segmented. god I hate it when they poorly word products like this. And it shouldn't be in there by default, IMHO, still.
and *choke* 7 bucks for eth0 cables. ack. They better be 25'.
From reading the article, this is obviously not designed for network admins who plan to roll out a Linux network. This is designed for home users and IT professionals interested in getting their feet wet.
But, as far as network installs go, Redhat has kickstart. Do any of the other distro's have different network installs?
This is simply a comfort level. once you get comfortable in a distribution, it is obviously easier to administer it. I maintain a bunch of different distro's and it's just a matter of getting them all to do the same things.
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There have been several media related technologies advanced signicantly by the search for porn. An excellent example is VCR's. Guys bought the VCR's, the guys programmed the vcr's, the girls said 'wow these are useful!' and use them as well. Now, it is a gender neutral technological item.
The same thing will happen with the internet eventually. Many girls I know are involved in using their computers for their own purposes, but very few use their computers solely for porn. However, I've met a few guys who have bought cluster arrays to store their porn. Hell, look at Cobalt's major vendor, it's porn online!
Anyway, once again, another modivating factor for men to get online (free porn!) and another modivating factor for women to turn gay (ugh. horny geeks.)
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See, I think a slip up like that is acceptable in that particular case. Cause it's rare you find any sort of super-attractive geek, of either sex...
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Given two people, with equal technical backgrounds, most techs will think a female would be the nicer one than the male. hence, she has a small advantage. Also, managers prefer at least one women in a team so it isn't quite so lopsided.
The problem starts much much earlier than getting a job. You can get a job by just being able to pronounce unix these days. (ugh). It starts in school, and where interests lie, and what they want to do when they grow up. not after they are in the field.
The job market in any IT profession is very very strong, so don't say 'they can't get a job'.
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The things that influence a geek to become a geek are influenced by more than just the geeks themselves. It's also how we are viewed by society. And your image of yourself and how you want to fit into that society.
No one told me unix sockets were sexy, I just felt they were. But how do you explain to a non-geek why? Like explaining to your parents why VA will take off like a rocket when it IPO's... But would a young girl think to themselves 'I want to be just like Mathew Brodrick in WarGames!' Very doubtful. Or the Angelia Jolie in Hackers?
It's changing the image of the geek, and making it a bit easier for women to feel comfortable in the geek image. This could be a starting place, so geek girls wouldn't feel all out of place when they are discussing TCP/IP flags with friends.
And remember Ada Lovelace, the first hacker...
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On that same note, is it just me, or does "All tomorrow's partys" not actually have a very satisfying ending? The major conflict of the book seems to be igored when it comes to the rounding up chapters! Or am I just missing the obvious? I suggest you read it again, and remember that Gibson has a very subtle end. and when you finally 'get it', it has a great impact. The most significant event in the book is witnessed by the most minor of characters with very mild interest.
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Anyway, I talked to Zoid about releasing it, but he was very unhappy that I had gotten the source, so I thought it was against my best interest to release it (at the time, I thought the source was legal because I had found it on a regular FTP site). But IBM was still distributing Quake 1 v.98 on their Demo disks (which i'm sure they still are).
Anyway, maybe i'll see if I can port it again, as my original copies are prolly lost on an old 43P.
Course, I love Christine1130 so my response should also be taken in the same manner....
I'm so proud of you, posting to slashdot finally! heh
Secondly, there's RAB and #bodyart on EFnet. I used to hang out there, and it's a great place for the freaks. It's funny that it gets so easy to spot the posers ('I got my belly button pierced') and the hard core people ('I got this piece of plastic embeded in my forhead!').
But please remember the Media distorotion that happens. He might look like a Reptile, but he's a nice enough guy. Smart too.
I started hanging on #bodyart cause my friends did, posted to RAB a few times, met my current girlfriend at a munch party, ran the bot on #bodyart, and then gave it all up. I don't look like a freak, but there is a reason people call me Gonzo in real life, i'm told anyway.
There are freaks out there. get used to the idea. and not all of them are freakish on the inside like yourself, some like the outward freakish appearance.
There are the share of posers, but how many script kiddiez do you know that think they are bad ass because they have 0-d4y \,\,4R3Z!
this guy is the real deal.. heh
hey tim! heh
I always just tell the story about how my girlfriend got busted on the candian border in a car with eric and one of their other friends, and how the candian border police treated them.. heh.
Just because a person is against organized religion does not make them an atheist or against the posibility of some brand of diety. It just makes them intelligent, seeing the source of organized religion.
I mean, after all, the Catholic Church is responsible for so much progress in the modern world, like the no contraception rule. and that had to make a few extra billon people. and at least one of them had to go into science, right?
I can almost imagine this scenerio:
So-and-so said outlawing guns would be a first step towards safer schools.
- Guns protect our liberties!
- I collect guns as a hobby!
- I'm going to kill my classmates today
- *blam* *blam* *blam* *blam*
- Quake in real life is fun!
Yeah, I just don't get people sometimes.Now we have companies such as yahoo and altavista that allow free anonymous email address. And these are sponsored by companies, which could defend the attacks of critics of anonymous mail. What I find funny is that no cares if you have 10 anonymous email accounts on yahoo.
And if you've ever had any sort of semi-legal situation with a yahoo mail account, you'd understand that it's very difficult to get information on the person!
Anyway, it's funny how large corporations can get away with ideas, and even make them the norm, while individuals are hounded and have their sites shutdown for the exact same ideals... *sigh*
Anyway, it was a bad reception, and at the time, I didn't know Debian very well. At the time, I only knew slack, redhat, generic, AIX, and some FreeBSD. Now, almost every app on the box has been upgraded by hand, and it's not fun to work with, but the box works, and that's all that really matters.
and the linux zealots just seem to come out of the woodwork, I don't know why I bother. 'My distribution is better, and if you had problems with it, you are a stupid head!'
I guess it should be pointed out that at the time I didn't know debian at all. the box is pretty non-recognizable now. Not a big deal, but the only options I had required me to be onsite, and to pop disks, which was not an option for me. and considering i've been maintaining the box for 2+ years now, it's running pretty well. course, almost everything has been upgraded by hand. And if anything went wrong, I would have been screwed.
Most Linux distributions have a network install as you have described. What i was going for was something similar to jumpstart on Solaris. Those of us who are Solaris admins for a living *love* jumpstart, because it's one less interactive menu to sit through. plus customizations are *easy*! Anyway, this is more of an enterprise Linux discussion, not desktop.
Has no one heard of kickstart before? heh You build one floppy before you rebuild your linux box, put it in, if you ever want to reformat etc, you just pop in the floppy again. it's great. `8r) and for any network admin, it's great because you don't have to make choices on the fly, you make them all in advanced.
Sorry, I guess I've confused a lot of people today with this question.
BTW, Redhat also allows network updates as well. rpm -Uvh ftp://ftp.cs.wisc.edu/pub/redhat/i386/RedHat/RPMS/ example.rpm or rpmsrelay, freshrpms, or autoupdate. and RedHat supports local disk, ftp, http, nfs, smb, and cdrom. I'm not saying use redhat all the time, I just encourage people to try new distro's least they become that slackware advocate that ignores reason. ('Pre-compiled objects are bad! I compile everything I use by hand!') don't knock it until you've tried it, ya know?
The only problem I have with Debian is that they stranded a remote box I adminster on debian 1.3, when they moved to glibc. The same as when Redhat went to glibc. So dist-upgrade doesn't always work.
But you are correct about Debian being better at finding brand new software, that is an excellent utility. `8r) but redhat has upgrade utilities as well, such as freshrpms, autoupdate, and rpmsrelay.
but please, zealots, try some different products out before you declare all others inferior.
The way it works is a server listens on the net for ARP requests. when it gets those ARP's, it returns with a machine name and the ability to give it a boot block. hence, you have a centralized server that you can have a standardized, customized configuration of the RedHat linux distribution.
Anyway, we were just talking about two different things, there isn't any reason to get all uptight because you think i'm attacking debian. oh, and upgrading redhat is just as easy with freshrpms, rpmsrelay, and autoupdate. And i'd prefer redhat's 1 or 2 floppies to debians 6 floppies, if you want to get technical. But I think debian has it's own strengths.
and just because you havn't played with all the unix distributions yourself doesn't mean that the functionality isn't there.
and *choke* 7 bucks for eth0 cables. ack. They better be 25'.
Are there any other distributions besides redhat (which has KickStart) that supports network installs?
Is this a feature when considering which distribution to choose?
But, as far as network installs go, Redhat has kickstart. Do any of the other distro's have different network installs?
This is simply a comfort level. once you get comfortable in a distribution, it is obviously easier to administer it. I maintain a bunch of different distro's and it's just a matter of getting them all to do the same things.