I never said the car wasn't the best car in existence. In fact I specifically said it was. Is the company, not the car, I have a problem with. Exaggerating is one thing, but they flat out lied. They haven't delivered even a single one of the feature they claimed autopilot would do, they lied about the battery capacity, and the horsepower, and they actively STOLE functionally from the vehicle after delivery.
Yes I test drove it, but the features I paid for weren't available at the time. Yes I researched, and every single statement from the company was consistent about what I was buying, they were also all lies. And even if I had test driven this exact car before purchase, something Tesla doesn't allow, it still would have been a different car then than it is now as it had more functionality when I bought it than it dioes now due to their theft of features after sale.
Not sure why you bring Microsoft in to this, they don't make cars, and although they do awful things, they still aren't on par with Tesla for dishonesty.
Autopilot is amazing yes but it still can't do even a single one of the many items listed at the D reveal event. You rave about how great the car is and I agree it is the best car ever made. However Tesla has lied about every single function they've put on it they've been caught lying about battery pack sizes, horsepower, capabilities of autopilot, not to mention the little scndal where they put counters in ludacris cars to disable the feature if you use it more than a handful of times. In addition to that autopilot was at its peak in 2015 and has gone downhill significantly since then, in fact they reached into people's cars and actively removed functionality from the vehicle after sale despite the fact that they no longer own the vehicle. That is what I consider slimy, no company has the right to remove functionality from a product after they sell it. If they think they shouldn't have included that functionality their only recourse is to not include it in future sales, they have no right to remove things from a car they've already sold. As for the car buying experience it is the absolute worst car buying experience I've ever had. Despite buying a used vehicle from them I was not able to see the vehicle before purchase, I wasn't even able to see pictures of the vehicle before purchase, the only thing I could see was computer renderings and what the vehicle theoretically looked like. Additionally despite the fact that the vehicle was in stock it still took them 2 months to deliver it, that's inexcusable for any vehicle that's in stock. Additionally at no point during that two months were they even able to give me a rough estimate as to delivery date until suddenly I got a phone call from them saying they wanted to deliver it in less than an hour midday on a weekday and I that I better have all the money available and be ready to receive the vehicle right at that exact second.
Now they continue their charade by promising full self driving in a vehicle that obviously will never ever be capable of it. There's no way any government is going to allow a full self-driving vehicle that has no cross traffic or rear radar on it. but in true Tesla form they're going to take your money for it and then move the goalposts when it finally comes time.
And I won't even go into the ridiculous repair system where only Tesla is allowed to make repairs, even to minor things like a door handle, because you need to reflash the firmware and only Tesla allowed to do that. And then with the most expensive hourly shop rate and some of the most expensive parts in the industry, and no ability to go elsewhere for them. We could also talk about the people waiting 6-8 months or longer for parts for a collision repair or two to three months for a simple service appointment.
Don't get me wrong I love my Model S I just can't stand the company that sold it. And for that reason I really wish there was actual competition. As it stands there is not a single other vehicle on the market that competes with the model S.
You've obviously never experienced Tesla. They make Apple look honest, open, and inexpensive. I really dislike Apple, but Tesla takes every horrible thing that Apple does she cranks it up to 11.
Every word out of their mouths is a lie. When they unveiled AP originally they made the following promises as they took everyone's money: - hands free on ramp to off ramp driving - summon that will find It's way to you anywhere you are on private property - automatic emergency braking that would bring the vehicle to a complete stop - stop sign and traffic light detection - automatically adjust to speed limits - system that worked at any speed
Not a single one of those items was ever delivered. Now they have AP2.0 which does even less than the original, but that they now claim will be full self driving if you pay enough money. Thing is, AP2.0 can never be full self driving. It doesn't include enough hardware to do so. There is no way they'll ever get approval to put it on the road with autonomy when it doesn't even have rear of cross traffic radars. And the version currently available still hasn't caught up to their own product from 2 years ago.
And it doesn't end there either. They've also been caught lying about horsepower, battery capacity, etc. After charging people an extra 10,000 for ludicrous mode they were caught putting counters in the cars that limit your acceleration if you use it too often, the list just goes on and on.
And all of that is only secondary to my real objections to them.
After purchase they actually reached in to the car that I own outright, and without my permission removed functionality that it had at delivery. In fact, with every single software update they removed more functionality. Autopilot was at its peak at the end of 2015, ever since then every software update has added nags, limited where it can be used, limited the speed with which it can be used, added punishment if it nags you more than 3 times in a trip, etc. You can pretend that software updates are optional, but if you don't update other features stop working, for example, of you're still on the firmware where AP was at its peak, you'd no longer have voice control or mapping.
Beyond that, Tesla won't allow any third party repair. There is only one place that can fix a Tesla, and that's Tesla themselves. And I'm not just talking major repairs either, you can't change a door handle or a side mirror without reflashing the firmware, something only Tesla can do. And even if you could, they won't sell many parts to any third party. In addition to that, they have the highest hourly shop rates I've ever seen, and extremely high parts prices, if you can even get an appointment, and if they can even get the part themselves. Forums are full of people waiting 6 or 8 months for parts for collision repairs. And 2-3 months for a simple service appointment. And that's before Model 3 hits the road in large quantities.
Tesla is the only company I've ever seriously considered a lawsuit against, and I still haven't ruled it out.
Show me a Camry with autopilot, a 17" touch screen, remote climate control, an always on Internet connection, 60 cubic feet of cargo volume, does 0 to 60 in 4.2, and that never needs to visit a gas station ever. As for your links about repair I don't have a clue what you're trying to prove. I've already told you that the company that makes the car is the worst company on the face of the planet, I don't know how continuing to prove it is making any point. The car is great, I have absolutely no complaints with the design of the car, it is the best car design that has ever hit the road. Ever. My only true wish is that some other company would step up and compete against it, I would in a heartbeat sell the Tesla and buy another car that had the same functionality, the simple fact is however that no such vehicle exists. The moment one does I will be the first one in line to buy it. I have absolutely no love for Tesla in fact I have never disliked any company as much as I dislike Tesla, and that says an awful lot considering how much Ive hated some other companies in the past. You will not find me defending them as a company. It just happens to be that the car they've produced is the only one in its segment no other vehicle actually competes there. It's not that I don't think other companies could compete there, they definitely could, it's just that they don't seem to have the desire to do so. I actually wish that a Camry would do the same things because if that was the case I would have a camry in a heartbeat.
Wow, so much stupidity in one post, where to begin... Electric cars are old but long-range electric cars are not. As for advanced it's not just the electric powertrain, though that alone does put it away above anything else on the road today, it is also about all the other technology, it would be almost impossible for me to go back to a car that did not have all the simple features that I'm used to now, such things as the ability to turn on the climate control from my SmartWatch ahead of time even if the vehicle is in a closed garage. The autopilot system which completely changes the daily commute, the large screen navigation, waking up every morning to a fully fueled vehicle, and the list just goes on. For practicality I'm talking such things as the huge cargo volume, the charging at home, the internet connectivity, or basically the day-to-day experience of using a vehicle. As for your completely incorrect rant about charging times and range, the car has a longer range than I do between meal breaks and charges faster than I can eat I can't imagine needing anything more than that. When I do thousand km + road trips the fact that the car is electric only improves the experience and does not detract from it. In fact the length of time it takes me to do a thousand km road trip has not changed in the slightest from when I used to have an internal combustion vehicle. As for not being able to repair it, that has zero to do with the car itself and everything to do with the company that sells it, and as I have stated before that company is the slimiest company on the planet. They are not a company that I would willingly give another penny to.
Maybe I need to clarify. Most advanced. Best features. Best practicality.
I won't claim best build quality or best reliability.
There is simply nothing else on the market like it though, it has zero competition, so they can basically get away with anything, as they constantly prove. It's mind boggling to me that no other company is even making the slightest effort to compete.
The 3 with PUP and the 310mi range starts at $44k. The short range version deliveries begin in fall, so not exactly a long wait.
That's an awful lot of certainty when talking about a company that has never once met a single deadline that they've imposed on themselves and has a history of many outright lies about future (and even current) products. You probably also believed that the $50,000 Model S was going to happen.
"not yet available" is a bit of an exaggeration considering it will NEVER be available with the hardware currently on those cars.
Of course considering that the original AP hardware on the S can't do any of the things that Elon promised it would when it was first launched either, that's no suprise. Of course Tesla's been getting a pass on the outright lies around the model S so I'm not sure why they would bother caring about telling the truth on their newer cars.
Anyone who pays for "full self driving" is a sucker.
Model S was a $50k car for $60k, the Model 3 is a $35k car for & 49k. This is not a surprise to anyone who's been watching tesla for any length of time.
I own a model S, I love it and think it's the best car ever made. It is also nowhere even close to what Elon promised it would be.
Tesla is the absolute slimiest company I've ever done business with. When they aren't flat out lying about what their product can do, they're wildly exaggerating it, or actively at war with their existing customers. The Model S is still the best car on the market today. But if I have to replace mine, I could not in good conscience give another penny to such an unethical company. Which is a shame because no other company has yet decided to try to compete with Tesla. I really hope I can keep my Model S going until a competitor arrives, but Tesla isn't making it easy.
Do you think Universal will let you take some of their "Intellectual property" that was licensed only for home use and play it commercially without complaint? They've certainly gone after enough people for exactly that in the past. Hard to feel sorry for them when they're on the other end of the exact same situation.
Then maybe we should just drop the whole "intellectual property" facade and let everyone copy everything perfectly legally? If you think it's too onerous to follow the rules that you spent millions of dollars lobbying for, then I don't think you'll find much sympathy.
Which is perfect, because if you buy something from Universal you need a different license to play it for an audience instead of just for yourself too. Sounds to me like Universal are in trouble for doing the exact same things that they criticize others for doing.
The major studios have been caught infringing on copyright many, many, many times before, but somehow they still think that it's ok for them, but not for anyone else.
You also have to go there, shop during their specified business hours, deal with their significantly smaller selection, wait in lines, transport your purchase home afterwards, etc. All told, what took 5 minutes of your time to do online, takes over an hour of your time to do at a physical store. Online shopping is far more convenient than brick and mortar, offers a larger selection, and generally at lower prices.
Of course, if you're an "instant gratification" type who can't wait 2 days for shipping, then I guess you can keep shopping at the local mall until it finally goes out of business, but keep in mind that the fewer people like you who are willing to do it, the higher their prices are going to have to rise to compensate for it.
Meanwhile, ALL the major stores that are left just accept everything back. Sure it sucks, but the alternative is blocking legitimate returns. I'm glad Amazon is standing up for their customers here.
And in physical stores this has been the case for eons. They just deal with it. Sure, it sucks, but the alternative is blocking legitimate refunds and not standing behind your product. I'm happy Amazon is standing up for their customers here.
I've already done returnless refunds on many items, I'm in the middle of one right now in fact.
I ordered a watch strap on Amazon, when I got it the clasp was broken, I contacted the seller, sent them a picture, and they gave me the choice of a refund or a new strap (in this case I took the new strap) At no point did they ask for the old one back because it's cheaper not to bother.
In several other cases my item never arrived, I notified the seller, and they refunded my money with no questions asked (If I was dishonest I could have claimed they never arrived when they did in fact, but in these cases they did not, and as these were untracked items the seller had no way to know either way)
Returnless refunds aren't anything new, all they've done it put in a proper process for it.
That said, if I bought something worth a few hundred dollars, and where shipping was likely to cost only $10-20, I would fully expect that it would arrive via a tracked method, and that they would request I return it before processing a refund. For any item that is worth less than the shipping cost though, why would they want it back?
I'm assuming that Amazon tracks such things to some extent though, and I'm sure if you abuse it all the time your account will get flagged and removed, and if you did it on high enough dollar items the seller could get the police involved as it would be illegal to make those bogus claims.
Ideally these businesses would not "thrive" elsewhere, ideally they'd go out of business altogether. Keep in mind that the businesses are complaining because Amazon is mandating that they stand behind their product. If you aren't willing to stand behind what you sell, and Amazon won't do business with you because of that, I have no sympathy.
yes, and you know why we, as consumers, won't touch e-bay? precisely because it's a haven for these exact sellers who don't care about their customers.
If you won't stand behind your product, e-bay is the perfect place to sell, as the buyers there expect that level (or lack of) support.
If you DO stand behind your product, than continue to sell on Amazon, this change won't affect you.
Your local stores may have good return policies, but I'd argue that they are "friendlier" than this Amazon policy. You quite literally don't have to talk to anyone to do the return, depending on the postal situation in your neighbourhood you might not even have to put on pants.
I'm not saying your local stores aren't doing things well, but I don't think you can claim that they are necessarily superior to this
I think the claim is that Amazon is trying to get in to many more spaces that e-commerce. They are a major e-commerce player, but they are also trying to get in to many other areas as well.
Justifiable in this context doesn't speak to the morality of the ambition, only that the ambition is believable. It may be a bad idea, but Amazon can justifiably be claimed to be trying to do it.
Except that LinkedIn's website refuses to let mobile browsers connect to it and instead re-directs you to download their app. I had to change my browser's user agent string before it would even let me use it on my Android phone. Not exactly something that the average user knows how to do.
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I never said the car wasn't the best car in existence. In fact I specifically said it was.
Is the company, not the car, I have a problem with.
Exaggerating is one thing, but they flat out lied. They haven't delivered even a single one of the feature they claimed autopilot would do, they lied about the battery capacity, and the horsepower, and they actively STOLE functionally from the vehicle after delivery.
Yes I test drove it, but the features I paid for weren't available at the time. Yes I researched, and every single statement from the company was consistent about what I was buying, they were also all lies. And even if I had test driven this exact car before purchase, something Tesla doesn't allow, it still would have been a different car then than it is now as it had more functionality when I bought it than it dioes now due to their theft of features after sale.
Not sure why you bring Microsoft in to this, they don't make cars, and although they do awful things, they still aren't on par with Tesla for dishonesty.
Autopilot is amazing yes but it still can't do even a single one of the many items listed at the D reveal event. You rave about how great the car is and I agree it is the best car ever made. However Tesla has lied about every single function they've put on it they've been caught lying about battery pack sizes, horsepower, capabilities of autopilot, not to mention the little scndal where they put counters in ludacris cars to disable the feature if you use it more than a handful of times. In addition to that autopilot was at its peak in 2015 and has gone downhill significantly since then, in fact they reached into people's cars and actively removed functionality from the vehicle after sale despite the fact that they no longer own the vehicle. That is what I consider slimy, no company has the right to remove functionality from a product after they sell it. If they think they shouldn't have included that functionality their only recourse is to not include it in future sales, they have no right to remove things from a car they've already sold. As for the car buying experience it is the absolute worst car buying experience I've ever had. Despite buying a used vehicle from them I was not able to see the vehicle before purchase, I wasn't even able to see pictures of the vehicle before purchase, the only thing I could see was computer renderings and what the vehicle theoretically looked like. Additionally despite the fact that the vehicle was in stock it still took them 2 months to deliver it, that's inexcusable for any vehicle that's in stock. Additionally at no point during that two months were they even able to give me a rough estimate as to delivery date until suddenly I got a phone call from them saying they wanted to deliver it in less than an hour midday on a weekday and I that I better have all the money available and be ready to receive the vehicle right at that exact second.
Now they continue their charade by promising full self driving in a vehicle that obviously will never ever be capable of it. There's no way any government is going to allow a full self-driving vehicle that has no cross traffic or rear radar on it. but in true Tesla form they're going to take your money for it and then move the goalposts when it finally comes time.
And I won't even go into the ridiculous repair system where only Tesla is allowed to make repairs, even to minor things like a door handle, because you need to reflash the firmware and only Tesla allowed to do that. And then with the most expensive hourly shop rate and some of the most expensive parts in the industry, and no ability to go elsewhere for them. We could also talk about the people waiting 6-8 months or longer for parts for a collision repair or two to three months for a simple service appointment.
Don't get me wrong I love my Model S I just can't stand the company that sold it. And for that reason I really wish there was actual competition. As it stands there is not a single other vehicle on the market that competes with the model S.
You've obviously never experienced Tesla. They make Apple look honest, open, and inexpensive.
I really dislike Apple, but Tesla takes every horrible thing that Apple does she cranks it up to 11.
Every word out of their mouths is a lie.
When they unveiled AP originally they made the following promises as they took everyone's money:
- hands free on ramp to off ramp driving
- summon that will find It's way to you anywhere you are on private property
- automatic emergency braking that would bring the vehicle to a complete stop
- stop sign and traffic light detection
- automatically adjust to speed limits
- system that worked at any speed
Not a single one of those items was ever delivered. Now they have AP2.0 which does even less than the original, but that they now claim will be full self driving if you pay enough money. Thing is, AP2.0 can never be full self driving. It doesn't include enough hardware to do so. There is no way they'll ever get approval to put it on the road with autonomy when it doesn't even have rear of cross traffic radars. And the version currently available still hasn't caught up to their own product from 2 years ago.
And it doesn't end there either. They've also been caught lying about horsepower, battery capacity, etc. After charging people an extra 10,000 for ludicrous mode they were caught putting counters in the cars that limit your acceleration if you use it too often, the list just goes on and on.
And all of that is only secondary to my real objections to them.
After purchase they actually reached in to the car that I own outright, and without my permission removed functionality that it had at delivery. In fact, with every single software update they removed more functionality. Autopilot was at its peak at the end of 2015, ever since then every software update has added nags, limited where it can be used, limited the speed with which it can be used, added punishment if it nags you more than 3 times in a trip, etc.
You can pretend that software updates are optional, but if you don't update other features stop working, for example, of you're still on the firmware where AP was at its peak, you'd no longer have voice control or mapping.
Beyond that, Tesla won't allow any third party repair. There is only one place that can fix a Tesla, and that's Tesla themselves. And I'm not just talking major repairs either, you can't change a door handle or a side mirror without reflashing the firmware, something only Tesla can do. And even if you could, they won't sell many parts to any third party. In addition to that, they have the highest hourly shop rates I've ever seen, and extremely high parts prices, if you can even get an appointment, and if they can even get the part themselves. Forums are full of people waiting 6 or 8 months for parts for collision repairs. And 2-3 months for a simple service appointment. And that's before Model 3 hits the road in large quantities.
Tesla is the only company I've ever seriously considered a lawsuit against, and I still haven't ruled it out.
Show me a Camry with autopilot, a 17" touch screen, remote climate control, an always on Internet connection, 60 cubic feet of cargo volume, does 0 to 60 in 4.2, and that never needs to visit a gas station ever.
As for your links about repair I don't have a clue what you're trying to prove. I've already told you that the company that makes the car is the worst company on the face of the planet, I don't know how continuing to prove it is making any point. The car is great, I have absolutely no complaints with the design of the car, it is the best car design that has ever hit the road. Ever. My only true wish is that some other company would step up and compete against it, I would in a heartbeat sell the Tesla and buy another car that had the same functionality, the simple fact is however that no such vehicle exists. The moment one does I will be the first one in line to buy it. I have absolutely no love for Tesla in fact I have never disliked any company as much as I dislike Tesla, and that says an awful lot considering how much Ive hated some other companies in the past. You will not find me defending them as a company. It just happens to be that the car they've produced is the only one in its segment no other vehicle actually competes there. It's not that I don't think other companies could compete there, they definitely could, it's just that they don't seem to have the desire to do so.
I actually wish that a Camry would do the same things because if that was the case I would have a camry in a heartbeat.
Wow, so much stupidity in one post, where to begin...
Electric cars are old but long-range electric cars are not. As for advanced it's not just the electric powertrain, though that alone does put it away above anything else on the road today, it is also about all the other technology, it would be almost impossible for me to go back to a car that did not have all the simple features that I'm used to now, such things as the ability to turn on the climate control from my SmartWatch ahead of time even if the vehicle is in a closed garage. The autopilot system which completely changes the daily commute, the large screen navigation, waking up every morning to a fully fueled vehicle, and the list just goes on.
For practicality I'm talking such things as the huge cargo volume, the charging at home, the internet connectivity, or basically the day-to-day experience of using a vehicle.
As for your completely incorrect rant about charging times and range, the car has a longer range than I do between meal breaks and charges faster than I can eat I can't imagine needing anything more than that. When I do thousand km + road trips the fact that the car is electric only improves the experience and does not detract from it. In fact the length of time it takes me to do a thousand km road trip has not changed in the slightest from when I used to have an internal combustion vehicle.
As for not being able to repair it, that has zero to do with the car itself and everything to do with the company that sells it, and as I have stated before that company is the slimiest company on the planet. They are not a company that I would willingly give another penny to.
Maybe I need to clarify. Most advanced. Best features. Best practicality.
I won't claim best build quality or best reliability.
There is simply nothing else on the market like it though, it has zero competition, so they can basically get away with anything, as they constantly prove. It's mind boggling to me that no other company is even making the slightest effort to compete.
The 3 with PUP and the 310mi range starts at $44k. The short range version deliveries begin in fall, so not exactly a long wait.
That's an awful lot of certainty when talking about a company that has never once met a single deadline that they've imposed on themselves and has a history of many outright lies about future (and even current) products.
You probably also believed that the $50,000 Model S was going to happen.
"not yet available" is a bit of an exaggeration considering it will NEVER be available with the hardware currently on those cars.
Of course considering that the original AP hardware on the S can't do any of the things that Elon promised it would when it was first launched either, that's no suprise. Of course Tesla's been getting a pass on the outright lies around the model S so I'm not sure why they would bother caring about telling the truth on their newer cars.
Anyone who pays for "full self driving" is a sucker.
Model S was a $50k car for $60k, the Model 3 is a $35k car for & 49k. This is not a surprise to anyone who's been watching tesla for any length of time.
I own a model S, I love it and think it's the best car ever made. It is also nowhere even close to what Elon promised it would be.
Tesla is the absolute slimiest company I've ever done business with. When they aren't flat out lying about what their product can do, they're wildly exaggerating it, or actively at war with their existing customers.
The Model S is still the best car on the market today. But if I have to replace mine, I could not in good conscience give another penny to such an unethical company. Which is a shame because no other company has yet decided to try to compete with Tesla. I really hope I can keep my Model S going until a competitor arrives, but Tesla isn't making it easy.
Do you think Universal will let you take some of their "Intellectual property" that was licensed only for home use and play it commercially without complaint? They've certainly gone after enough people for exactly that in the past. Hard to feel sorry for them when they're on the other end of the exact same situation.
Then maybe we should just drop the whole "intellectual property" facade and let everyone copy everything perfectly legally?
If you think it's too onerous to follow the rules that you spent millions of dollars lobbying for, then I don't think you'll find much sympathy.
Which is perfect, because if you buy something from Universal you need a different license to play it for an audience instead of just for yourself too. Sounds to me like Universal are in trouble for doing the exact same things that they criticize others for doing.
The major studios have been caught infringing on copyright many, many, many times before, but somehow they still think that it's ok for them, but not for anyone else.
You also have to go there, shop during their specified business hours, deal with their significantly smaller selection, wait in lines, transport your purchase home afterwards, etc. All told, what took 5 minutes of your time to do online, takes over an hour of your time to do at a physical store.
Online shopping is far more convenient than brick and mortar, offers a larger selection, and generally at lower prices.
Of course, if you're an "instant gratification" type who can't wait 2 days for shipping, then I guess you can keep shopping at the local mall until it finally goes out of business, but keep in mind that the fewer people like you who are willing to do it, the higher their prices are going to have to rise to compensate for it.
The fact that a CEO would be so offended by having to share an office, while expecting that it should be normal for everyone else speaks volumes.
Meanwhile, ALL the major stores that are left just accept everything back. Sure it sucks, but the alternative is blocking legitimate returns. I'm glad Amazon is standing up for their customers here.
And in physical stores this has been the case for eons. They just deal with it. Sure, it sucks, but the alternative is blocking legitimate refunds and not standing behind your product. I'm happy Amazon is standing up for their customers here.
I've already done returnless refunds on many items, I'm in the middle of one right now in fact.
I ordered a watch strap on Amazon, when I got it the clasp was broken, I contacted the seller, sent them a picture, and they gave me the choice of a refund or a new strap (in this case I took the new strap) At no point did they ask for the old one back because it's cheaper not to bother.
In several other cases my item never arrived, I notified the seller, and they refunded my money with no questions asked (If I was dishonest I could have claimed they never arrived when they did in fact, but in these cases they did not, and as these were untracked items the seller had no way to know either way)
Returnless refunds aren't anything new, all they've done it put in a proper process for it.
That said, if I bought something worth a few hundred dollars, and where shipping was likely to cost only $10-20, I would fully expect that it would arrive via a tracked method, and that they would request I return it before processing a refund. For any item that is worth less than the shipping cost though, why would they want it back?
I'm assuming that Amazon tracks such things to some extent though, and I'm sure if you abuse it all the time your account will get flagged and removed, and if you did it on high enough dollar items the seller could get the police involved as it would be illegal to make those bogus claims.
Sword now covered in blood, DNA, and fingerprints. Request return to overseas seller.
Ideally these businesses would not "thrive" elsewhere, ideally they'd go out of business altogether.
Keep in mind that the businesses are complaining because Amazon is mandating that they stand behind their product. If you aren't willing to stand behind what you sell, and Amazon won't do business with you because of that, I have no sympathy.
yes, and you know why we, as consumers, won't touch e-bay? precisely because it's a haven for these exact sellers who don't care about their customers.
If you won't stand behind your product, e-bay is the perfect place to sell, as the buyers there expect that level (or lack of) support.
If you DO stand behind your product, than continue to sell on Amazon, this change won't affect you.
Your local stores may have good return policies, but I'd argue that they are "friendlier" than this Amazon policy. You quite literally don't have to talk to anyone to do the return, depending on the postal situation in your neighbourhood you might not even have to put on pants.
I'm not saying your local stores aren't doing things well, but I don't think you can claim that they are necessarily superior to this
I think the claim is that Amazon is trying to get in to many more spaces that e-commerce. They are a major e-commerce player, but they are also trying to get in to many other areas as well.
Justifiable in this context doesn't speak to the morality of the ambition, only that the ambition is believable. It may be a bad idea, but Amazon can justifiably be claimed to be trying to do it.
Except that LinkedIn's website refuses to let mobile browsers connect to it and instead re-directs you to download their app. I had to change my browser's user agent string before it would even let me use it on my Android phone. Not exactly something that the average user knows how to do.