I didn't say that there were no tradesmen who made less than programmers. I said that my cousin who works in construction, is part of the union, and has no higher education makes more than a programmer. A programmer is not the same as a computer scientist or software engineer. A programmer is the guy who get's handed a list of pieces of code to write and writes them.
Err, there's no relevant comparison there. Mitnick agreed to not act as an advisor or consultant in the computer field for three years. If he's going around giving "advice" about computer security, etc. then he's in violation of his agreement.
Actually a sense of justice would indicate that the people who owned the CC numbers he stole each have the opportunity to kick him in the balls one after another. Let's see, 20,000 boots to the scrotum? Can you say "mush nuts."
You're really broadening the sense of "computer". In your sense a bicycle is a computer. A comb is a computer. A bed is a computer. But in the common sense, none of these things are computers. They are machines.
And from personal experience, no pace makers do not have computers. They have signal generators and counters.
We are, today in this country, an evil and cruel society which tries to punish criminals instead of reform them.
What's so right about reforming the man who killed your brother? I just don't get it. There's no inherent rightness in reforming criminals.
The quote you use fits perfectly with the idea of removing criminals from society: "Man did not enter into society to become worse than he was before, nor to have fewer rights than he had before, but to have those rights better secured." Every time a criminal harms me, steals my money, in any way affects my life, then my rights are not secured. Once you can show me how a criminal can undo the past and make it so that his actions didn't happen, then maybe I'll start worrying about how a criminal is treated.
What kind of an asscrack are you? If you are too prideful to do a job because you consider it below you then you are truly one of the most worthless people on the planet. You can have pride in doing any job. Do your job well and have pride in what you do and it doesn't matter if you scrape the shit off monkey's asses for a living. You will succeed and have a happy life.
Is the reason you post to slashdot so prolifically that you have alienated all your peers? Because you are "too good" or have too much "pride" to be with them? Don't they drive fancy enough cars for you? Don't they have the rolex watches? No big titted bimbos hanging on their everyword?
Yesterday I defened what you had to say. Now today I see that you truly are a turd and it appears that you do deserve most of the shit people give you. What a fuck wit.
Look dude, a "programmer" doesn't make shit for a living. My cousin, who has no advanced education, works construction in Las Vegas. He will make more in his life than any "programmer". Programmer's are no more special than any other assembly line worker. If you just want to be a programmer, buy a book and do it. A CS degree does not make you a programmer.
Moore's law is about performance. It's not about economics. Nor does it dictate that everybody will automatically have to upgrade to the fastest available computer. Just because you won't get a speed doubling every 18 months doesn't mean that the prices on current generation CPUs will skyrocket. They will still cost the same to produce. Sure we may not be able to do that kind of inexpensive upgrading, but machines are fast and they will continue to be fast and there is (currently) no real reason to sit at a lower speed unless you just don't want to upgrade. Even in the future there will be upgrades that do not involve CPU speeds. Add more RAM. Offload certain tasks to dedicated processors (3D, I2O, etc.) Chips will effectively be cheap forever. They just may not be continually increasing in speed.
Overclocked CPU don't literally "burn out" unless you seriously failed to use even the most modest amount of cooling. They fail because of electron migration which causes various circuits inside the CPU to short with each other. You can't see any kind of outside effects from this.
I have a Celeron 300A@450. Once the fan in my power supply stopped while I was playing Quake with headphones, so I didn't notice. When the machine finally failed it was because the powersupply overheated and a resistor died. The external parts of the case around the power supply were very hot to the touch, probably in excess of 200 degrees. However the CPU didn't have any problem at all and still works like a champ even though a) the power supply is within centimeters of the CPU, b) the power supply fan was the only case flow fan in my machine. (Yes there is a fan on the CPU.)
Jeez you weenies. Let the man post. He's usually on topic. Almost never trollish. You may not like the fact of his political/philosophical tendancies, but hell let the man speak. If you want to disagree, beat him up on logic or facts. Childish whining doesn't work.
It's common to distribute code via the web and pointing at the "official" download location. Unless there distro is totally devoid of URLS pointing to download sites they aren't in violation.
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What's more is that it looks like the one of two things is true (and has been true for years):
1 - the FSF is in violation of the GPL by distributing on CD-ROM GPL-ed software at substantially more than the physical cost of duplicating, or 2 - they are saying that the human time cost can be charged in which case the whole clause for a fee based on the physical duplication cost is irrelevant. One could charge $1,000,000 for a copy of a program and just charge it as the human cost in duplication.
Huh? The fact that source isn't released *IS* the violation of the GPL.
Only if it's code that has been modified. I can take gcc compile it, distribute the binaries and not give anybody any source code. Unless you can prove I modified it it is not a violation of the GPL. I am not required to provide a download site for every GPl-ed piece of software I distributed if the source is available elsewhere.
It is unclear to me yet if these RPMs are Abit-derived, or based on other people's patches, but without source its impossible to tell.
And thus you can't possibly do anything except rant like a lunatic. Until you can prove that they are in violation of the GPL any kind of claims along those lines are just defamation. Any kind of demand for source code can be met with a stony silence.
If you can't identify changes then how do you know they are changed? Maybe it's just repackaged or recompiled with different options? Adding a corporate logo wouldn't be considered a change by a court. In fact if it's a trademarked logo you don't have a right to use it anyway so it's irrelevant if they don't want to provide a nice little include file with the bitmap in it.
Merely not distributing a clearly documented source package is not indicative of a whole slew secret GPL violations.
On what grounds do you believe the GPL only applies in the U.S.?
The point isn't that the GPL only applies in the US, it's that there are (apparently) no IP laws in Taiwan. The GPL isn't a law, it's a license that lays out the terms you are allowed to distribute software under. All of it's enforcability comes from copyright law. In the absence of copyright law then the license is moot.
But the main point the originator of this subthread missed is that a company doing business in a country is bound by that country's laws throught the process of that business.
How will giving out register programming information give their competitors an advantage? From the reviews I have read their competitors have been kicken their ass in the Linux realm... and now it looks like their competitors have equally good, if not better performance in their own home of Windows.
Err. Giving register information is not sufficient for programming a accelerated driver. You also have to describe how the acceleration works and what the software is expected to do. This gives real significant clues about how you designed your chip.
No offense to the open source community, but having your ass kicked in the Linux realm has zero relevance to having better hardware and what not. Being under Linux doesn't automatically move your product to a higher plain of existance.
The GeForce2 and the Voodoo5 are both available in limited quantities right now. And should be in mass production in the next two weeks. I think the V5 is farther along in it's product development so it'll probably have a week or so advantage. But the G2 truly beats the V5 up in performance.
Theoretically you should be able to port the kernel module to the x86 BSDs. Depending on how they each handle their VM subsystems there may be a performance penalty to pay.
They may have come up with an innovative, high performance driver implementation that isn't specific to their cards that they want to protect. They may have code in there that gives clues to their future product line and business strategy. There may be portions of the code owned by other people (SGI, MS, Foobar, etc.) that they don't have the right to distribute as source. There are a decent number of valid reasons not to release code.
Nope. It still requires basically the same hardware architecture and only truly works for non hardware dependant modules. The x86 TTF rasterizer should work on all x86 systems that XF4 works on. But it won't work on any PPC, MIPS, Sparc, etc. systems. You need the same CPU.
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I didn't say that there were no tradesmen who made less than programmers. I said that my cousin who works in construction, is part of the union, and has no higher education makes more than a programmer. A programmer is not the same as a computer scientist or software engineer. A programmer is the guy who get's handed a list of pieces of code to write and writes them.
Except there isn't a more famous felon in the IT field.
Bill Gates. *rim shot*
Err, there's no relevant comparison there. Mitnick agreed to not act as an advisor or consultant in the computer field for three years. If he's going around giving "advice" about computer security, etc. then he's in violation of his agreement.
Watching DVDs under Linux is a crime.
No.
Breaking an encryption scheme is a crime.
No.
Having an mp3 is a crime.
No.
Linking to a website is a crime.
No.
Driving 70mph is a crime.
No.
Actually a sense of justice would indicate that the people who owned the CC numbers he stole each have the opportunity to kick him in the balls one after another. Let's see, 20,000 boots to the scrotum? Can you say "mush nuts."
You're really broadening the sense of "computer". In your sense a bicycle is a computer. A comb is a computer. A bed is a computer. But in the common sense, none of these things are computers. They are machines.
And from personal experience, no pace makers do not have computers. They have signal generators and counters.
We are, today in this country, an evil and cruel society which tries to punish criminals instead of reform them.
What's so right about reforming the man who killed your brother? I just don't get it. There's no inherent rightness in reforming criminals.
The quote you use fits perfectly with the idea of removing criminals from society: "Man did not enter into society to become worse than he was before, nor to have fewer rights than he had before, but to have those rights better secured." Every time a criminal harms me, steals my money, in any way affects my life, then my rights are not secured. Once you can show me how a criminal can undo the past and make it so that his actions didn't happen, then maybe I'll start worrying about how a criminal is treated.
The status obsessed loser is afraid he's going to lose his precious karma.
What kind of an asscrack are you? If you are too prideful to do a job because you consider it below you then you are truly one of the most worthless people on the planet. You can have pride in doing any job. Do your job well and have pride in what you do and it doesn't matter if you scrape the shit off monkey's asses for a living. You will succeed and have a happy life.
Is the reason you post to slashdot so prolifically that you have alienated all your peers? Because you are "too good" or have too much "pride" to be with them? Don't they drive fancy enough cars for you? Don't they have the rolex watches? No big titted bimbos hanging on their everyword?
Yesterday I defened what you had to say. Now today I see that you truly are a turd and it appears that you do deserve most of the shit people give you. What a fuck wit.
Look dude, a "programmer" doesn't make shit for a living. My cousin, who has no advanced education, works construction in Las Vegas. He will make more in his life than any "programmer". Programmer's are no more special than any other assembly line worker. If you just want to be a programmer, buy a book and do it. A CS degree does not make you a programmer.
Moore's law is about performance. It's not about economics. Nor does it dictate that everybody will automatically have to upgrade to the fastest available computer. Just because you won't get a speed doubling every 18 months doesn't mean that the prices on current generation CPUs will skyrocket. They will still cost the same to produce. Sure we may not be able to do that kind of inexpensive upgrading, but machines are fast and they will continue to be fast and there is (currently) no real reason to sit at a lower speed unless you just don't want to upgrade. Even in the future there will be upgrades that do not involve CPU speeds. Add more RAM. Offload certain tasks to dedicated processors (3D, I2O, etc.) Chips will effectively be cheap forever. They just may not be continually increasing in speed.
Overclocked CPU don't literally "burn out" unless you seriously failed to use even the most modest amount of cooling. They fail because of electron migration which causes various circuits inside the CPU to short with each other. You can't see any kind of outside effects from this.
I have a Celeron 300A@450. Once the fan in my power supply stopped while I was playing Quake with headphones, so I didn't notice. When the machine finally failed it was because the powersupply overheated and a resistor died. The external parts of the case around the power supply were very hot to the touch, probably in excess of 200 degrees. However the CPU didn't have any problem at all and still works like a champ even though a) the power supply is within centimeters of the CPU, b) the power supply fan was the only case flow fan in my machine. (Yes there is a fan on the CPU.)
Jeez you weenies. Let the man post. He's usually on topic. Almost never trollish. You may not like the fact of his political/philosophical tendancies, but hell let the man speak. If you want to disagree, beat him up on logic or facts. Childish whining doesn't work.
It's common to distribute code via the web and pointing at the "official" download location. Unless there distro is totally devoid of URLS pointing to download sites they aren't in violation.
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What's more is that it looks like the one of two things is true (and has been true for years):
1 - the FSF is in violation of the GPL by distributing on CD-ROM GPL-ed software at substantially more than the physical cost of duplicating, or
2 - they are saying that the human time cost can be charged in which case the whole clause for a fee based on the physical duplication cost is irrelevant. One could charge $1,000,000 for a copy of a program and just charge it as the human cost in duplication.
Huh? The fact that source isn't released *IS* the violation of the GPL.
Only if it's code that has been modified. I can take gcc compile it, distribute the binaries and not give anybody any source code. Unless you can prove I modified it it is not a violation of the GPL. I am not required to provide a download site for every GPl-ed piece of software I distributed if the source is available elsewhere.
And thus you can't possibly do anything except rant like a lunatic. Until you can prove that they are in violation of the GPL any kind of claims along those lines are just defamation. Any kind of demand for source code can be met with a stony silence.
If you can't identify changes then how do you know they are changed? Maybe it's just repackaged or recompiled with different options? Adding a corporate logo wouldn't be considered a change by a court. In fact if it's a trademarked logo you don't have a right to use it anyway so it's irrelevant if they don't want to provide a nice little include file with the bitmap in it.
Merely not distributing a clearly documented source package is not indicative of a whole slew secret GPL violations.
Not to mention that a judge would probably slap both parties with huge fines for contempt of court.
On what grounds do you believe the GPL only applies in the U.S.?
The point isn't that the GPL only applies in the US, it's that there are (apparently) no IP laws in Taiwan. The GPL isn't a law, it's a license that lays out the terms you are allowed to distribute software under. All of it's enforcability comes from copyright law. In the absence of copyright law then the license is moot.
But the main point the originator of this subthread missed is that a company doing business in a country is bound by that country's laws throught the process of that business.
How will giving out register programming information give their competitors an advantage? From the reviews I have read their competitors have been kicken their ass in the Linux realm... and now it looks like their competitors have equally good, if not better performance in their own home of Windows.
Err. Giving register information is not sufficient for programming a accelerated driver. You also have to describe how the acceleration works and what the software is expected to do. This gives real significant clues about how you designed your chip.
No offense to the open source community, but having your ass kicked in the Linux realm has zero relevance to having better hardware and what not. Being under Linux doesn't automatically move your product to a higher plain of existance.
The GeForce2 and the Voodoo5 are both available in limited quantities right now. And should be in mass production in the next two weeks. I think the V5 is farther along in it's product development so it'll probably have a week or so advantage. But the G2 truly beats the V5 up in performance.
Theoretically you should be able to port the kernel module to the x86 BSDs. Depending on how they each handle their VM subsystems there may be a performance penalty to pay.
They may have come up with an innovative, high performance driver implementation that isn't specific to their cards that they want to protect. They may have code in there that gives clues to their future product line and business strategy. There may be portions of the code owned by other people (SGI, MS, Foobar, etc.) that they don't have the right to distribute as source. There are a decent number of valid reasons not to release code.
No. The nvidia driver requires mods/linkage to the linux kernel. You would have to rewrite all that for BSD.
Do more poking around bub. The sources are not the sources to the drivers, they are stubs to match between the driver and the kernel.
Nope. It still requires basically the same hardware architecture and only truly works for non hardware dependant modules. The x86 TTF rasterizer should work on all x86 systems that XF4 works on. But it won't work on any PPC, MIPS, Sparc, etc. systems. You need the same CPU.