sounds like what you really need to do is a realistic appraisal of if and when these guys are going into the toilet. you're still on board because you are willing and able to do the grunt work of what appears to be a grab for salvation by a shaky enterprise. even if you get an agreement for more money, it won't last long if things go south. try to quietly line up something else and go w/ a nice resume enhancing title(they'll probably see that as getting over on you so it may just fly). more money from a weak company in this economy is a non starter.
The real reason that ageism is practiced in so many enterprises,including IT, is simply that the young and inexperienced are more compliant and malleable,therefore less trouble, than their older counterparts. To offer the sop that the young, "think faster and retain larger logical mappings", ignores the role that intelligence and talent play in any given individual's ability. I can't believe it would be the best overall choice to shove aside a 40 something woman with a 140+ IQ to accomodate a early20 something man of more modest capacity. But if that woman is a reluctant and difficult square peg who won't go into the operation's set of round holes,then guess who gets the job. Talent also can trump age; in particular, I know individuals, now in their fifties, who have always been able to pick up and to play an instrument new to them with only a short practice. Again, however, the trenches will be manned by those who play the tune management wants to hear.
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sounds like what you really need to do is a realistic appraisal of if and when these guys are going into the toilet. you're still on board because you are willing and able to do the grunt work of what appears to be a grab for salvation by a shaky enterprise. even if you get an agreement for more money, it won't last long if things go south. try to quietly line up something else and go w/ a nice resume enhancing title(they'll probably see that as getting over on you so it may just fly). more money from a weak company in this economy is a non starter.
This is just a rehab of Match.com
The real reason that ageism is practiced in so many enterprises,including IT, is simply that the young and inexperienced are more compliant and malleable,therefore less trouble, than their older counterparts. To offer the sop that the young, "think faster and retain larger logical mappings", ignores the role that intelligence and talent play in any given individual's ability. I can't believe it would be the best overall choice to shove aside a 40 something woman with a 140+ IQ to accomodate a early20 something man of more modest capacity. But if that woman is a reluctant and difficult square peg who won't go into the operation's set of round holes,then guess who gets the job.
Talent also can trump age; in particular, I know individuals, now in their fifties, who have always been able to pick up and to play an instrument new to them with only a short practice. Again, however, the trenches will be manned by those who play the tune management wants to hear.