This is debatable. There is the popular and comfortable idea about those stupid and insensible managers that ignored engineers. Sadly those projects are too complex, and I think that there is a lot of unpredictability and unconsidered scenarios that can't be totally simulated, analyzed and probed. Managers often (always) have to take decisions without complete information, eventually ignoring unclear technical advise (and over-informative technical advise.) In an extremely complex project like the shuttle, always there will be at least some sensor giving weird lectures, but awaiting for the totally perfect conditions would delay the launches forever.
The solution? maybe there will be no solution for some decades; maybe we need another level of intelligence (in management and engineering) to cope with that level of complexities.
>> Companies have ways of working around this rule. This typically involves saying that the visa holder has skills not available in the U.S. workforce.
The other (most) common way: close the full US plant, and open some foreign subsidiary. No more visa-related issues. What's the better alternative?
Your comment will be perfectly stored in that same database. At least the hackers will read about your discomfort, so remember to state your geek skills in that rant, so eventually they could offer you a more interesting work.
"I want all my code to be open source, but I will use the best tool for the job and BitKeeper was the best tool and at the time the alternatives sucked so bad they were shit. When the alternatives are so bad I will take proprietary code. Proprietary was a downside, but what choice did I have? Hey, I usually do my presentation slides in PowerPoint."
To me this is a lot more interesting than the discussion about GNOME-version-x better/poorer than KDE-version-y
For the Microsoft case we are discussing, I think you're right, at least in the near term.
But for most companies with real economic problems (ex. SUN) it would be a lot better to fire the $100k-guy (specially overpaid management.) Otherwise the company as a whole *may* be going to chap-11, and I'm pretty sure this will not be good for the country at all.
Remember that for a lot of US companies already disappeared because of lower-cost foreign competence, and those lost workplaces were of course taken by foreign workers at those foreign companies or foreign subsidiaries. It's the same, just less outrageous because there are no government issued visas.
Having friends (and relatives) in both sides of the issue, I really sympathize with you and by no way deny this is actually happening. This H-1B fever never should be started at all, and actually damaged a lot of american works (blame the government of course.) My point is that now you/companies can't treat non-americans like disposable resources as a lot of people is advocating here... you know, that kind of treatment is what originally started this whole issue against locals.
>> At that instant, Microsoft's H-1B visa workers became an issue with the senate.
In base of what law are you saying that? or it is just an ethical "I-hate-M$" typical/. argument?
When MS or any other company lobbies, the resulting changes apply to everybody (you know, MS asked in order to favor their entire sector, bla bla bla) I know that it is popular here to rant against M$ (you'll get a high mod, I'm sure) but as TFA indicates, this is an issue for most IT related companies.
Now, why a non-american should be preferentially fired? that people indeed did a big inversion in order to work in(for) USA (getting the H-1B is not an easy task for most people despite appearances), starting for the sacrifice of a familiar separation; they came also because (despite opinions) the american government found a necessity to fulfill.
If there were some suspicion or prove that this is the case, you would have a point. But even in that case it is not work for a senator. Otherwise, yes, they can fire anybody.
What would happened if they actually fired exclusively H-1B holders?
Yes, the netbook thing is some kind of bubble explosion. PC's nowadays have incredibly wasted fast CPUs (except for gamers and antivirus lovers), huge hard disks (we *have* to fill them with videos to feel less disappointed.) So the netbooks just demonstrate that with 1/10 of that power you may do most or all of your work... logically, you should pay about 1/10 of the PC price... and this will impact in the OS and applications market.
Well, every Linux flavor is already a world-wide OS. Even Linus is not an american guy, and contributors are from practically all countries. So instead of rebranding as the "national OS" or "regional OS", governments should help in the already established translations/localization/education efforts, and founding more general purpose application projects.
>> "But what I do know is that this behavior has become progressively more evident over the past 8 years: I blame the server-centric development focus in the kernel (2.2 and prior were blindingly responsive on the desktop)."
Regarding this top important issue, the common answers point to GTK 2 slowness introduced for its (lot) of additional features. I sincerely don't know what's the real case.
What I indeed agree is that KDE apps used to be better in this respect. I even had the opportunity of writing some trivial-to-small apps with GTK+ (in C, arrrggg) and with Qt4 (C++, arrggg again) and Qt was sensibly faster/more responsive. Ok, this is not a conclusive nor controlled benchmark and bla bla bla, but for me was enough unbiased evidence (well, my bias was favoring GTK because of the licensing issues.)
BTW I didn't test KDE 4 nor the last versions of GTK+, and I'm too lazy to install Kubuntu when having a full working Gnome w/Ubuntu Intrepid. I really do my daily work in Linux, so reinstalling or doing mayor changes it is a PITA for the customizations. Please do not reply me with something like "apt-get install kde" or something similar.
And thanks to the Fedora users, apparently the first large user base that will (hopefully in full knowledge) be testing this thing for the benefit of the rest of the community (nothing against RedHat, somebody have to do the first step.)
Oh please AC... The parent is wrong, because he didn't say what you're saying. Now:
1) Like in the Linux case, some people indeed can analyze and find the cause of the slowdown (yes, there are some Windows experts) 2) Would Linux users install the same background trash like Win users (and if Linux developers would provide it) you'd have a really difficult time in the Linux investigation.
Of course you will be modded high here because someway you managed to defend the mighty Linux OS...
Well, a lot of Office users are used to add the Adobe plugin, but you're right. I use this characteristic a lot with OO.
But many-many times you need to send an important document that needs to be modified even by a little (for example, details in a contract) so PDF is not an answer.
>> Yeah, we all like Linux because it doesn't do annoying things like this
That part of the original submission is misleading/stupid (why editors didn't cut it?.) My Ubuntu 7.10 box used to crawl (well, Compiz/Nautilus/Gnome/The-UI) after several hours of continued opening/closing windows. I never did investigate the issue (because laziness) and it was fixed just with a graphical logout/login (thus, I think restarting X.)
Remember also that a lot of Linux boxes crawl when the updatedb is executed via Cron (this is the nearest thing to Windows' antiviruses in behavior.) As the parent writes, this have to do with I/O use, despite the assigned and irrelevant "nice" priorities.
Ok, from that technical definition you're right. If you assume as definition the promised paradise of the communist future, of course nobody will say that some society archived it. The problem with this line of thinking are the following conclusions:
1) Humanity never "enjoyed" a real communist society, so we must try again (as if all the "experiments" done were not enough.) 2) The failure (after failure...) of a lot of vocal people arguing about the communist benefits, has another excuse for avoiding the ridiculous
BTW, China was named itself communist (Mao tried a lot of pretty weird schemes with its people), but Russians always sustained that they were the true revolutionaries (i.e. more communists.) Of course that byzantine discussions were totally silly (as in the Trotsky case) but illustrate the fat books that can be devoted to the insubstantial issue of the degree/realness/quality of the socialist/communist governments.
I listen this frequently from die-hard leftists/marxists/X-ists. I'm pretty sure that if the URSS would be still alive and strong (despite local deaths/abuses that were always counted as marginal imperfections), that same people would be today saying that the URSS is the single true and mighty communist implementation.
For example, for management level correspondence, you need documents that open perfectly at destination; otherwise, your company will be embarrassed: remember some people uses PDF just because even between original MS-Offices', sometimes documents lose their structure and look pretty bad.. in my experience with OO this issue turns really nasty.
If you can pass this trivial but mandatory barrier, you can start working in the really technical considerations.
It's true that this issue was largely commented here and in Ubuntu forums, but people doesn't have to be looking daily for that kind of nasty bugs: at least the operating system should display a warning pointing to the corresponding forums in order to apply the lot of suggested workarounds.
Sadly, Ubuntu didn't care to advise me after installing 7.10, reinstalling 8.04 nor 8.10.
How I "detected" the bug in my Dell Vostro? just because the weird sound of the hard disk heads; of course this happens only if you are in a silent environment and have some experience "listening" hard disks.
I don't know what's the importance of that "Presidential Inaugural Committee's Web site", and apparently there is no story here since we can see the Obama-event from other sites.
The reason I ended reading this, was the main title: "MS Silverlight To Stream Obama Inauguration Events" (that shows the rss feed) sounds really bold and relevant, and I expect "stuff that matters" from/. Apparently/. doesn't care anymore.
But more disappointing are people that defends the editor/submiter because after carefully reading the last sentence of the resume, you discover that they are not announcing something relevant for most people, so technically, they are not lying at all, and we have to be happy with this stupid way of news/traffic promoting.
Not ranting against Debian, but Ubuntu didn't require me to know in advance a package name, but after installation there was a suggestion to install that "propietary driver". Why people should know that there exists such a thing? I guess a lot of Debian users do not use the driver just because they don't know it exists (same for other hardware.)
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This is debatable. There is the popular and comfortable idea about those stupid and insensible managers that ignored engineers. Sadly those projects are too complex, and I think that there is a lot of unpredictability and unconsidered scenarios that can't be totally simulated, analyzed and probed. Managers often (always) have to take decisions without complete information, eventually ignoring unclear technical advise (and over-informative technical advise.) In an extremely complex project like the shuttle, always there will be at least some sensor giving weird lectures, but awaiting for the totally perfect conditions would delay the launches forever.
The solution? maybe there will be no solution for some decades; maybe we need another level of intelligence (in management and engineering) to cope with that level of complexities.
>> Companies have ways of working around this rule. This typically involves saying that the visa holder has skills not available in the U.S. workforce.
The other (most) common way: close the full US plant, and open some foreign subsidiary. No more visa-related issues. What's the better alternative?
Your comment will be perfectly stored in that same database. At least the hackers will read about your discomfort, so remember to state your geek skills in that rant, so eventually they could offer you a more interesting work.
Ok, my favorite part:
"I want all my code to be open source, but I will use the best tool for the job and BitKeeper was the best tool and at the time the alternatives sucked so bad they were shit. When the alternatives are so bad I will take proprietary code. Proprietary was a downside, but what choice did I have? Hey, I usually do my presentation slides in PowerPoint."
To me this is a lot more interesting than the discussion about GNOME-version-x better/poorer than KDE-version-y
For the Microsoft case we are discussing, I think you're right, at least in the near term.
But for most companies with real economic problems (ex. SUN) it would be a lot better to fire the $100k-guy (specially overpaid management.) Otherwise the company as a whole *may* be going to chap-11, and I'm pretty sure this will not be good for the country at all.
Remember that for a lot of US companies already disappeared because of lower-cost foreign competence, and those lost workplaces were of course taken by foreign workers at those foreign companies or foreign subsidiaries. It's the same, just less outrageous because there are no government issued visas.
Having friends (and relatives) in both sides of the issue, I really sympathize with you and by no way deny this is actually happening. This H-1B fever never should be started at all, and actually damaged a lot of american works (blame the government of course.) My point is that now you/companies can't treat non-americans like disposable resources as a lot of people is advocating here... you know, that kind of treatment is what originally started this whole issue against locals.
>> At that instant, Microsoft's H-1B visa workers became an issue with the senate.
In base of what law are you saying that? or it is just an ethical "I-hate-M$" typical /. argument?
When MS or any other company lobbies, the resulting changes apply to everybody (you know, MS asked in order to favor their entire sector, bla bla bla) I know that it is popular here to rant against M$ (you'll get a high mod, I'm sure) but as TFA indicates, this is an issue for most IT related companies.
Now, why a non-american should be preferentially fired? that people indeed did a big inversion in order to work in(for) USA (getting the H-1B is not an easy task for most people despite appearances), starting for the sacrifice of a familiar separation; they came also because (despite opinions) the american government found a necessity to fulfill.
If there were some suspicion or prove that this is the case, you would have a point. But even in that case it is not work for a senator. Otherwise, yes, they can fire anybody.
What would happened if they actually fired exclusively H-1B holders?
Yes, the netbook thing is some kind of bubble explosion. PC's nowadays have incredibly wasted fast CPUs (except for gamers and antivirus lovers), huge hard disks (we *have* to fill them with videos to feel less disappointed.) So the netbooks just demonstrate that with 1/10 of that power you may do most or all of your work... logically, you should pay about 1/10 of the PC price ... and this will impact in the OS and applications market.
Well, every Linux flavor is already a world-wide OS. Even Linus is not an american guy, and contributors are from practically all countries. So instead of rebranding as the "national OS" or "regional OS", governments should help in the already established translations/localization/education efforts, and founding more general purpose application projects.
>> "But what I do know is that this behavior has become progressively more evident over the past 8 years: I blame the server-centric development focus in the kernel (2.2 and prior were blindingly responsive on the desktop)."
Regarding this top important issue, the common answers point to GTK 2 slowness introduced for its (lot) of additional features. I sincerely don't know what's the real case.
What I indeed agree is that KDE apps used to be better in this respect. I even had the opportunity of writing some trivial-to-small apps with GTK+ (in C, arrrggg) and with Qt4 (C++, arrggg again) and Qt was sensibly faster/more responsive. Ok, this is not a conclusive nor controlled benchmark and bla bla bla, but for me was enough unbiased evidence (well, my bias was favoring GTK because of the licensing issues.)
BTW I didn't test KDE 4 nor the last versions of GTK+, and I'm too lazy to install Kubuntu when having a full working Gnome w/Ubuntu Intrepid. I really do my daily work in Linux, so reinstalling or doing mayor changes it is a PITA for the customizations. Please do not reply me with something like "apt-get install kde" or something similar.
>> imho, The only time you see a Linux slowdown is when the swap is totally used, or /tmp is full, both are easly cured.
Nowadays it is pretty difficult for standard users with standard apps to fill 2Gb of memory (and later, the swap.) Not my case.
And when /tmp is full (specially if inside / filesystem), things just start to break down without advise.
regards,
And thanks to the Fedora users, apparently the first large user base that will (hopefully in full knowledge) be testing this thing for the benefit of the rest of the community (nothing against RedHat, somebody have to do the first step.)
Oh please AC... The parent is wrong, because he didn't say what you're saying. Now:
1) Like in the Linux case, some people indeed can analyze and find the cause of the slowdown (yes, there are some Windows experts)
2) Would Linux users install the same background trash like Win users (and if Linux developers would provide it) you'd have a really difficult time in the Linux investigation.
Of course you will be modded high here because someway you managed to defend the mighty Linux OS...
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Survey finds most '08 new Open source projects causing vulnerabilities for the following years.
Well, a lot of Office users are used to add the Adobe plugin, but you're right. I use this characteristic a lot with OO.
But many-many times you need to send an important document that needs to be modified even by a little (for example, details in a contract) so PDF is not an answer.
>> Yeah, we all like Linux because it doesn't do annoying things like this
That part of the original submission is misleading/stupid (why editors didn't cut it?.) My Ubuntu 7.10 box used to crawl (well, Compiz/Nautilus/Gnome/The-UI) after several hours of continued opening/closing windows. I never did investigate the issue (because laziness) and it was fixed just with a graphical logout/login (thus, I think restarting X.)
Remember also that a lot of Linux boxes crawl when the updatedb is executed via Cron (this is the nearest thing to Windows' antiviruses in behavior.) As the parent writes, this have to do with I/O use, despite the assigned and irrelevant "nice" priorities.
As always, it is money what drives this thing. Your nasty scenario about "premium content" is done for "expert-exchange" by fine courtesy of Google.
Ok, from that technical definition you're right. If you assume as definition the promised paradise of the communist future, of course nobody will say that some society archived it. The problem with this line of thinking are the following conclusions:
1) Humanity never "enjoyed" a real communist society, so we must try again (as if all the "experiments" done were not enough.)
2) The failure (after failure...) of a lot of vocal people arguing about the communist benefits, has another excuse for avoiding the ridiculous
BTW, China was named itself communist (Mao tried a lot of pretty weird schemes with its people), but Russians always sustained that they were the true revolutionaries (i.e. more communists.) Of course that byzantine discussions were totally silly (as in the Trotsky case) but illustrate the fat books that can be devoted to the insubstantial issue of the degree/realness/quality of the socialist/communist governments.
regards,
I listen this frequently from die-hard leftists/marxists/X-ists. I'm pretty sure that if the URSS would be still alive and strong (despite local deaths/abuses that were always counted as marginal imperfections), that same people would be today saying that the URSS is the single true and mighty communist implementation.
For example, for management level correspondence, you need documents that open perfectly at destination; otherwise, your company will be embarrassed: remember some people uses PDF just because even between original MS-Offices', sometimes documents lose their structure and look pretty bad.. in my experience with OO this issue turns really nasty.
If you can pass this trivial but mandatory barrier, you can start working in the really technical considerations.
LOL.... But I remember when installing a full Softlanding Linux distro took about 40 diskettes (or more?)... same for Oracle in SCO.
It's true that this issue was largely commented here and in Ubuntu forums, but people doesn't have to be looking daily for that kind of nasty bugs: at least the operating system should display a warning pointing to the corresponding forums in order to apply the lot of suggested workarounds.
Sadly, Ubuntu didn't care to advise me after installing 7.10, reinstalling 8.04 nor 8.10.
How I "detected" the bug in my Dell Vostro? just because the weird sound of the hard disk heads; of course this happens only if you are in a silent environment and have some experience "listening" hard disks.
I don't know what's the importance of that "Presidential Inaugural Committee's Web site", and apparently there is no story here since we can see the Obama-event from other sites.
The reason I ended reading this, was the main title: "MS Silverlight To Stream Obama Inauguration Events" (that shows the rss feed) sounds really bold and relevant, and I expect "stuff that matters" from /. Apparently /. doesn't care anymore.
But more disappointing are people that defends the editor/submiter because after carefully reading the last sentence of the resume, you discover that they are not announcing something relevant for most people, so technically, they are not lying at all, and we have to be happy with this stupid way of news/traffic promoting.
Did you try it??? there is no such package in Debian reps.
See http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nvidia&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all
Not ranting against Debian, but Ubuntu didn't require me to know in advance a package name, but after installation there was a suggestion to install that "propietary driver". Why people should know that there exists such a thing? I guess a lot of Debian users do not use the driver just because they don't know it exists (same for other hardware.)