the replication of databases across servers is the only arguement that you put forward that means anything . I am sorry but monolithic=robust ? uhhhhh , not in my recent experience . It is true that domino has reduced some of our work ( in hte past ) but it has mainly done so by making us tell people that "that can't be done" . They accept it but , you know... I don't feel good about saying it . Nowadays we are being a little more flexible . Too many people complained that they would really like services that Domino simply can't provide and are readily scripted by PHP or Java Servlets . Apache really is a joy to work with and PHP has made databasing rather painless ( for someone not too familiar with SQL ) . Well , we are only one office and keep our databases on only a couple of local servers so the database replication doesn't really affect us . Your Choice .
I ca't recommend the book PHP , browser based applications " by McGraw Hill enough . It has a very clear explanation of how ot get theses technologies compiled and set up correctly on your system(s) including iODBC ( for windows database connectivity ) . MySQL is a dream andf PHP really makes mundane tasks easy ( I haven't used it for ultra complex stuff yet... I am sticking to Java Servlets ) Apache is a snap and integrates seamlessly with both PHP and MySQL . As for the web viewing of Word Documents... I am not even sure if Microsoft is doing that . Your Squire Squireson
Perhaps we should try to educate the mainsteram press as thoroughly as we try to educate our more immediate bosses . Business people listen to these folk after all . your Squire squireson
Running RedHat 6.0 , KDE and netscape 4.08 and 4.61 I have completely frozen Linux ( no virtual terminals , no keyboard or mouse response , nothing ) by viewing this page : http://www.ferretsfirst.com/fadop/
I have never tried to fix it across a network . I have heard that the same can be said of netscape 4.7
People frequently talk about the ethical concerns over what genetic engineering will do to our society ( or more to the point what it will do to certain individuals over others ) . But htis seems to undercut some of the REAL terrors that may result from our manipulation of the human genetic code . There are real scientific concerns ( understatement ) with regards to 'improving' our own species . I would like ot see the discussion switch to the problems with manipulation of systems that we don't understand. Has anyone considered the possibilities of our engineering our own species out of existence ?
Physics Majors are , perhaps , the preimminent nerds of the world . That is not an insult .
Seriously , Physics amongst other sciences such as computer science and Math are all things that we shoudl take a look at from time to time . They are the points at which mankind is at his finest : when he is *learning* about the universe that he lives in .
I recall that they are using on e of the BSD family of OSes... which are , arguably better than Linux . The problem is , of course a philosophical difference in the licensing . If you start witrh the right License , you can fix everything else .
Orange book : slang for one of the rainbow books ( are they by the NIST or NSA ? ) that covers security for government systems . Damn , wish I could remember the names of the books . Your Squire squireson
A number of programs have passed aturing test for a very limited period of time . They inevitably break if you give the pepole administering the test long enough to distinguish between the automated responses and the human ones .
Overall I would say that his is a pretty safe bet on their part . A little publicity gained with promises that almost certainly can't be cashed in on . Your Squire Squireson
Aranov-Bohm experiment ( sp? ) showed that the wave nature of a particle is botha real thing ( not merely a mathematical construct ) and that it carries information at an infinite speed . Einstein and contemporaries reffered to it as a "spooky action at a distance " .
The information can therefore be carried instananeously between the different particles . Einstein was wrong about a great many things . We have yet to reconcile relativity with quantum mechanics .
Quantum encryption defeats the man-in-the-middle attack . How it does so is a question that requires you to do a little bit of research . Sorry but you are still thinking like a Newtonian .:P Your Squire Squireson squireson@bigfoot.com
I remember the poll that Bourland created a while ago . I voted that I NEEDED an IDE ( for an assortment of tasks ) and that I needed an IDE that could use underlying cmopiler technologies already available freely .
If I can't write source code that can be compiled by the GCC ( or EGCS , whatever ) then this tool is useless to me . It also makes interedepartment developement difficult when there are a variety of compilers used .
I can't believe that Bourland would expect to be well received by the Linux community if they release an IDE dependent on a specific closed source and proprietary compiler .
I do truly hope that Delphi can be used to develop without making it a required component of the end users compiler . It is , afterall a good technology . Your Squire Squireson squireson@bigfoot.com
This is probably a necessary method of doling out htis kind of information . That is , it is useful to hand out a little speech on how to positively promote Linux along with the link/address that allows the feedback . I would further suggest that it be emphasized that the Linux community members spend a good deal more of their time online than more pedestrian users and ( I believe ) are more involved in activism . I do believe that the Linux community is consideraly more activistic and tech conscious than other users . It cannot possibly be good business to disregard us entirely or even to try and make bland promises without substance . I wonder how long NEC will take to figure this out ( their statement recently that Unix is dead replaced their talking about their hardware spoecifications at an unveiling ) .
The enemy of my enemy is my friend . You've heard it before but it is only true if you are sure that you can beat the snot out of your new found friend after your common foe is smited... er , smote , that is . Sun can't hope to beat Linux but Microsoft has the leverage and money to make the Linux movement a bone crunching experience for all of us . I can't count the number of people I know who believe that Microsoft is the future , absolutely the future... Their marketing is too dangerous to discount .
Solaris , more accurately Sun , did invent NFS didn't they ? but look at the IP stack performance ( you still need that , you know ) and Linux outperforms Solaris by a fair shot . Just wait abit , NFS may be getting a big time tune up pretty soon here . BSD may have the best performance in the room but it suffers from a deadly philosophical difference . I read the rebuttal to Linux user's gripes about BSD and the author simply missed the point altogether . GPL vs BSD style license is a philosophical difference that should not be looked lightly upon . It is too bad that BSD did not jump on the Gnu bandwagon . Your Squire Squireson
I have been thinking that , while I have heard of this and seen it in action , I do not know of a single person who would unintellegently flame a company or group directly . My comments on this board are certainly opinionated but I am much more reserved when giving feedback to companies and publicly accessed BBs . I believe that everyone that I know uses the same care when dealing with 'The Public' . So where does all this come from ? The only answer that fits what I know / think about human nature is that these people are a vocal minority . And that it takes less keystrokes to swear at someone than to write an intellegent inquiry . I wonder if the cure to this phenomena is not issuing repeated warnings against it but for us to swamp out the flaming effect . Imagine : If enough reasonable voices respond to things that we now/suspect are going to get flamed for a story about them then the outrageous advocates will be put into a proper perspective . That is the will be recognized as a vocal minority . Squireson This is quoted from a recent slashdot.org article describing a massive flame from the anonymous cowards out there against Unisys . "Cheryl does not set Unisys policy, and she does not own stock in the company, but she is the person whose job it is to read all the abusive e-mail sent to Unisys via the e-mail address on the relevant corporate Web page. All you do when you send her obscenities is make her - and by extension, her boss, Mark Starr - think that Open Source advocates are crackpots and idiots. But I am going to cut this potential tirade short,because Rob Malda has already given you a similar lecture, Eric S.Raymond has given it, Bruce Perens has given it, and Richard M. Stallman has given it so many times that he probably mumbles it in his sleep. "
I have a suspicion that people will eventually understand the potential value of LISP . This language was perfectly suited to problems that you didn't have an algorithm to solve them with . It's built in software functionality made it useable for many of the specialized things that we are seeing developed today . Squireson http://www.peorialinux.org
The math does show that IPv4 can be extended indefinately to solve the addressing space . What it doesn't take into consideration is the full breadth of problems associated with IPv4 as IP addresses are bought in blocks and leased off . IPv6 was designed to solve a host of problems . The address space is linked ot many of them but it is still only one of the concerns that has been addressed .
1. Router efficeincy . If you guys think this is licked , you have another thing coming . The pricing on this technology should make this clear . Companies are in desparate need of routing technologies on a scalable level ( Backbone routing is a *little* different than your $3000 Cisco Systems router ) . Changing the IP space format ( from intensely subnetted to flat addressing ) in IPv6 reduces the amount of work neccessary for a router ( any router ) to achieve its task . If you think that there are as many costs associated with changing the router infrastructure as there are benefits I'll put it to like this : A new product ( or software for you Linux people ) needs less processing hardware/power to attack a flat addressing scheme ( IPv6 ) . While it does increase the size of the IP addresses that it handles , this less powercentric approach pays off in very little time .
2. Blocks of IP addresses . Subnetting does not increase , in any way , the number of parent IP addresses available . IP addresses being sold in blocks very quickly reduces the number of parent IP addresses available to the world at large . What happens when there are no more IP addresses to be sold . You have to go to a company that already owns a few in order to be subnetted by them . That also means thatyou have to be connected through their routers ONLY . This is fine for remote web hosting but please guys... realize that other people have different problems . IPv6 solves ( in principle ) everyones problems in a fairly eaqual way . IPv4 will never be able to do this without taking back the blocks of IPs sold and reselling only one of them to each former owner . That will not happen . No one wants to give up their cake so that it can be divided up again more fairly . Besides they would have to buy more of these router thingies that the techies play with . your Squire Squireson
Your arguements suck . I am not pointing out that you are wrong only that you are right for the wrong reasons . The casings were designed to survive a ctastrophic explsion upon launch . Nobody points this out . Reentry is virtually impossible . If Nasa misses the approach point by a few meters they pour over records for weeks trying to figure out what went wrong . If it is going to miss by more than that they know about it weeks or months in advance and can fire onboard rockets to adjust . If they can't fire onboard rockets they can rockets at the thing . Cassini will get to jupiter within several miles of their projected course . Newtons laws still work very very well . No safety threat . Not at launch , not ever .
Let us start a compaign against gravity assists and let us model it after the campaign against nuclear fuel onboard spacecraft . This would be high satire . squireson@bigfoot.com
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Most gravity assists have control/acceleration burns . At their closest approach the craft can gain the most advantage to burning some of it's fuel . The math is a little complx but basically the craft falls with the fuel but does not carry that fuel back up . Although... it is possible that it is most efficient to burn once on the first gravity boost . The guys at JPL are pretty good ( form what I hear ) at figuring out exactly what is the most efficient . Squireson@bigfoot.com
These kind of comments do nothing to relieve people of popular myths surrounding controversial topics . Zealotry is the enemy of informed decision making . Your squire squireson
Humans did not evolve from monkeys . No one has said that . Well , no scientist has ever said that humans evolved form monkeys . Early on those who objected to the theory of evolution characterized evolution as insinuating that humans evolved from monkeys . In most scientists view Humans and other modern primates evolved out of a common ancestor that was not so much more primitive as it was well adapted to it's environment at the time . Often we think of evolution as a move forward . Nature however isn't concerned with such things and simply selects for the organism best suited for continuation under constantly shifting circumstances .
SO : once upon a time there was a primate species that looked nothing like a monkey nor yet did it look anythign like a human . Various branches ( you can think of them the same way you think of breeds of dogs , different but the same ) began to gain advantages in different niches ( a niche is a circumstance --- environment that includes a spoecific method(s) of survival ) . After significant time Human ancestors began to develop such significantly different tratis form the monkeys ancestors that they could no longer be considered , strictly speaking , the same species . Further time exagerrated these differentiations etc etc...
The only central theme to evolution ( and the one that the religious object to ) is that all species differentiation has resulted from natural mechanisms over periods of time . see : http://www.peorialinux.org/news.html in the "Misc." section for more information
All great things will come with Time . Give it a chance . This looks like a prgogram that is still in it's theory stage . I am glad that people are talking about it now . In five years it may be posssible to have a program that wasn't WRITTEN for paralell computing to be easily recompiled for parallel environments . Or it may be possible ( once these minor syntax differences have been hammered out ) to have somehting like apple had for their move to Macintosh : a program that guides programmers through the porting process . I am excited about the developing thoery !! Your Squire Squireson squireson@bigfoot.com
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the replication of databases across servers is the only arguement that you put forward that means anything . I am sorry but monolithic=robust ? uhhhhh , not in my recent experience . It is true that domino has reduced some of our work ( in hte past ) but it has mainly done so by making us tell people that "that can't be done" . They accept it but , you know ... I don't feel good about saying it . Nowadays we are being a little more flexible . Too many people complained that they would really like services that Domino simply can't provide and are readily scripted by PHP or Java Servlets . Apache really is a joy to work with and PHP has made databasing rather painless ( for someone not too familiar with SQL ) . Well , we are only one office and keep our databases on only a couple of local servers so the database replication doesn't really affect us . Your Choice .
I ca't recommend the book PHP , browser based applications " by McGraw Hill enough . It has a very clear explanation of how ot get theses technologies compiled and set up correctly on your system(s) including iODBC ( for windows database connectivity ) . MySQL is a dream andf PHP really makes mundane tasks easy ( I haven't used it for ultra complex stuff yet ... I am sticking to Java Servlets ) Apache is a snap and integrates seamlessly with both PHP and MySQL . As for the web viewing of Word Documents ... I am not even sure if Microsoft is doing that . Your Squire Squireson
Perhaps we should try to educate the mainsteram press as thoroughly as we try to educate our more immediate bosses . Business people listen to these folk after all . your Squire squireson
Running RedHat 6.0 , KDE and netscape 4.08 and 4.61 I have completely frozen Linux ( no virtual terminals , no keyboard or mouse response , nothing ) by viewing this page :
http://www.ferretsfirst.com/fadop/
I have never tried to fix it across a network .
I have heard that the same can be said of netscape
4.7
People frequently talk about the ethical concerns over what genetic engineering will do to our society ( or more to the point what it will do to certain individuals over others ) . But htis seems to undercut some of the REAL terrors that may result from our manipulation of the human genetic code . There are real scientific concerns ( understatement ) with regards to 'improving' our own species . I would like ot see the discussion switch to the problems with manipulation of systems that we don't understand. Has anyone considered the possibilities of our engineering our own species out of existence ?
Physics Majors are , perhaps , the preimminent nerds of the world .
That is not an insult .
Seriously , Physics amongst other sciences such as computer science and Math are all things that we shoudl take a look at from time to time . They are the points at which mankind is at his finest :
when he is *learning* about the universe that he lives in .
Squireson@bigfoot.com
I recall that they are using on e of the BSD family of OSes ... which are , arguably better than Linux .
The problem is , of course a philosophical difference in the licensing .
If you start witrh the right License , you can fix everything else .
Orange book : slang for one of the rainbow books
( are they by the NIST or NSA ? ) that covers security for government systems .
Damn , wish I could remember the names of the books .
Your Squire
squireson
A number of programs have passed aturing test for a very limited period of time . They inevitably break if you give the pepole administering the test long enough to distinguish between the automated responses and the human ones .
Overall I would say that his is a pretty safe bet on their part . A little publicity gained with promises that almost certainly can't be cashed in on .
Your Squire
Squireson
Aranov-Bohm experiment ( sp? ) showed that the wave nature of a particle is botha real thing ( not merely a mathematical construct ) and that it
carries information at an infinite speed . Einstein and contemporaries reffered to it as a "spooky action at a distance " .
The information can therefore be carried instananeously between the different particles .
Einstein was wrong about a great many things .
We have yet to reconcile relativity with quantum mechanics .
Your Squire
Squireson
Quantum encryption defeats the man-in-the-middle attack . How it does so is a question that requires you to do a little bit of research . Sorry but you are still thinking like a Newtonian . :P Your Squire Squireson squireson@bigfoot.com
I remember the poll that Bourland created a while ago . I voted that I NEEDED an IDE ( for an assortment of tasks ) and that I needed an IDE that could use underlying cmopiler technologies already available freely .
If I can't write source code that can be compiled by the GCC ( or EGCS , whatever ) then this tool is useless to me . It also makes interedepartment developement difficult when there are a variety of compilers used .
I can't believe that Bourland would expect to be well received by the Linux community if they release an IDE dependent on a specific closed source and proprietary compiler .
I do truly hope that Delphi can be used to develop without making it a required component of the end users compiler . It is , afterall a good technology .
Your Squire
Squireson
squireson@bigfoot.com
This is probably a necessary method of doling out htis kind of information . That is , it is useful to hand out a little speech on how to positively promote Linux along with the link/address that allows the feedback . I would further suggest that it be emphasized that the Linux community members spend a good deal more of their time online than more pedestrian users and ( I believe ) are more involved in activism . I do believe that the Linux community is consideraly more activistic and tech conscious than other users . It cannot possibly be good business to disregard us entirely or even to try and make bland promises without substance . I wonder how long NEC will take to figure this out ( their statement recently that Unix is dead replaced their talking about their hardware spoecifications at an unveiling ) .
The enemy of my enemy is my friend . You've heard it before but it is only true if you are sure that you can beat the snot out of your new found friend after your common foe is smited ... er , smote , that is . Sun can't hope to beat Linux but Microsoft has the leverage and money to make the Linux movement a bone crunching experience for all of us . I can't count the number of people I know who believe that Microsoft is the future , absolutely the future ... Their marketing is too dangerous to discount .
Solaris , more accurately Sun , did invent NFS didn't they ? but look at the IP stack performance ( you still need that , you know ) and Linux outperforms Solaris by a fair shot . Just wait abit , NFS may be getting a big time tune up pretty soon here . BSD may have the best performance in the room but it suffers from a deadly philosophical difference . I read the rebuttal to Linux user's gripes about BSD and the author simply missed the point altogether . GPL vs BSD style license is a philosophical difference that should not be looked lightly upon . It is too bad that BSD did not jump on the Gnu bandwagon . Your Squire Squireson
I have been thinking that , while I have heard of this and seen it in action , I do not know of a single person who would unintellegently flame a company or group directly . My comments on this board are certainly opinionated but I am much more reserved when giving feedback to companies and publicly accessed BBs . I believe that everyone that I know uses the same care when dealing with 'The Public' . So where does all this come from ? The only answer that fits what I know / think about human nature is that these people are a vocal minority . And that it takes less keystrokes to swear at someone than to write an intellegent inquiry . I wonder if the cure to this phenomena is not issuing repeated warnings against it but for us to swamp out the flaming effect . Imagine : If enough reasonable voices respond to things that we now/suspect are going to get flamed for a story about them then the outrageous advocates will be put into a proper perspective . That is the will be recognized as a vocal minority . Squireson This is quoted from a recent slashdot.org article describing a massive flame from the anonymous cowards out there against Unisys . "Cheryl does not set Unisys policy, and she does not own stock in the company, but she is the person whose job it is to read all the abusive e-mail sent to Unisys via the e-mail address on the relevant corporate Web page. All you do when you send her obscenities is make her - and by extension, her boss, Mark Starr - think that Open Source advocates are crackpots and idiots. But I am going to cut this potential tirade short,because Rob Malda has already given you a similar lecture, Eric S.Raymond has given it, Bruce Perens has given it, and Richard M. Stallman has given it so many times that he probably mumbles it in his sleep. "
"...and heorine helps children sleep ..." Well it does ... still , I get the point .
I have a suspicion that people will eventually understand the potential value of LISP . This language was perfectly suited to problems that you didn't have an algorithm to solve them with . It's built in software functionality made it useable for many of the specialized things that we are seeing developed today . Squireson http://www.peorialinux.org
The math does show that IPv4 can be extended indefinately to solve the addressing space . What it doesn't take into consideration is the full breadth of problems associated with IPv4 as IP addresses are bought in blocks and leased off . IPv6 was designed to solve a host of problems . The address space is linked ot many of them but it is still only one of the concerns that has been addressed .
... realize that other people have different problems .
1. Router efficeincy . If you guys think this is licked , you have another thing coming . The pricing on this technology should make this clear . Companies are in desparate need of routing technologies on a scalable level ( Backbone routing is a *little* different than your $3000 Cisco Systems router ) . Changing the IP space format ( from intensely subnetted to flat addressing ) in IPv6 reduces the amount of work neccessary for a router ( any router ) to achieve its task .
If you think that there are as many costs associated with changing the router infrastructure as there are benefits I'll put it to like this :
A new product ( or software for you Linux people ) needs less processing hardware/power to attack a flat addressing scheme ( IPv6 ) . While it does increase the size of the IP addresses that it handles , this less powercentric approach pays off in very little time .
2. Blocks of IP addresses . Subnetting does not increase , in any way , the number of parent IP addresses available . IP addresses being sold in blocks very quickly reduces the number of parent IP addresses available to the world at large . What happens when there are no more IP addresses to be sold . You have to go to a company that already owns a few in order to be subnetted by them . That also means thatyou have to be connected through their routers ONLY . This is fine for remote web hosting but please guys
IPv6 solves ( in principle ) everyones problems in a fairly eaqual way . IPv4 will never be able to do this without taking back the blocks of IPs sold and reselling only one of them to each former owner . That will not happen . No one wants to give up their cake so that it can be divided up again more fairly . Besides they would have to buy more of these router thingies that the techies play with .
your Squire
Squireson
Your arguements suck . I am not pointing out that you are wrong only that you are right for the wrong reasons .
The casings were designed to survive a ctastrophic explsion upon launch . Nobody points this out .
Reentry is virtually impossible .
If Nasa misses the approach point by a few meters they pour over records for weeks trying to figure out what went wrong .
If it is going to miss by more than that they know about it weeks or months in advance and can fire onboard rockets to adjust .
If they can't fire onboard rockets they can rockets at the thing .
Cassini will get to jupiter within several miles of their projected course . Newtons laws still work very very well .
No safety threat . Not at launch , not ever .
Let us start a compaign against gravity assists and let us model it after the campaign against nuclear fuel onboard spacecraft .
This would be high satire .
squireson@bigfoot.com
Most gravity assists have control/acceleration burns . At their closest approach the craft can gain the most advantage to burning some of it's fuel . The math is a little complx but basically ... it is possible that it is most efficient to burn once on the first gravity boost . The guys at JPL are pretty good ( form what I hear ) at figuring out exactly what is the most efficient .
the craft falls with the fuel but does not carry that fuel back up .
Although
Squireson@bigfoot.com
These kind of comments do nothing to relieve people of popular myths surrounding controversial topics .
Zealotry is the enemy of informed decision making .
Your squire
squireson
Humans did not evolve from monkeys . No one has said that . Well , no scientist has ever said that humans evolved form monkeys . Early on those who objected to the theory of evolution characterized evolution as insinuating that humans evolved from monkeys .
...
In most scientists view Humans and other modern primates evolved out of a common ancestor that was not so much more primitive as it was well adapted to it's environment at the time . Often we think of evolution as a move forward . Nature however isn't concerned with such things and simply selects for the organism best suited for continuation under constantly shifting circumstances .
SO : once upon a time there was a primate species that looked nothing like a monkey nor yet did it look anythign like a human . Various branches ( you can think of them the same way you think of breeds of dogs , different but the same ) began to gain advantages in different niches ( a niche is a circumstance --- environment that includes a spoecific method(s) of survival ) . After significant time Human ancestors began to develop such significantly different tratis form the monkeys ancestors that they could no longer be considered , strictly speaking , the same species . Further time exagerrated these differentiations etc etc
The only central theme to evolution ( and the one that the religious object to ) is that all species differentiation has resulted from natural mechanisms over periods of time .
see :
http://www.peorialinux.org/news.html
in the "Misc." section for more information
All great things will come with Time .
Give it a chance . This looks like a prgogram that is still in it's theory stage .
I am glad that people are talking about it now .
In five years it may be posssible to have a program that wasn't WRITTEN for paralell computing to be easily recompiled for parallel environments . Or it may be possible ( once these minor syntax differences have been hammered out ) to have somehting like apple had for their move to Macintosh : a program that guides programmers through the porting process .
I am excited about the developing thoery !!
Your Squire
Squireson
squireson@bigfoot.com