Interesting. I have lived in Germany now for almost six years, and not long after I arrived I heard about Linux for the first time (1994) via Usenet. It wasn't too long after that SuSE started pushing SuSE Linux, which took root pretty fast. Every company I've worked for or with (six of 'em) have used SuSE Linux in some capacity; my current company uses it for all servers, both intra- and Internet, for ourselves and our clients (we do web design, sometimes also setting up the server as well).
I didn't hear about Red Hat until much later. Odd. Even then I basically heard of it through my interest in MkLinux DR2.
It's also interesting that Linux took root so fast in Germany. Lots of Debian developers, for example, are German (or at least European). By the same token, other 'alternative' OSes were big in Europe but bombed in the US: Atari and above all Amiga (let's hope that they don't set a precedent for Linux).
So in many ways it's not a surprise to see that SuSE is doing so well, in contrast to Red Hat or Caldera--they've been bigger longer. But as the article states, SuSE's and Red Hat's growth curves are about the same--just Red Hat is a step behind. I wish 'em both luck...
Nuremburg, 6 July 1999 -- The SuSE Holding AG, one of the world's leading Linux distributors, is now making a significant contribution to Linux development. Together in various European locations or connected via the Internet, SuSE programmers are helping many open source projects out.
"The group will carry current, long-term and technologically important Linux projects, independent of short- or medium-term company goals while standing on a firm commercial basis," said Roland Dyroff, chairman of SuSE, about the goals of the SuSE Labs. "As we are bound to the basic principles of open source software, we will release results -- naturally including source code -- for further development and free use. Thus, we are taking on an active product responsibility for Linux."
Previously, SuSE was already active in various projects, like the Linux kernel, glibc, XFree86(TM), KDE and ISDN4Linux. These efforts will now be intensified and will be expanded to include new projects like ALSA (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture) and USB (Universal Serial Bus).
The SuSE Labs will thereby combine Linux know-how with an until recently unique pool, which opens a new level of quality in Linux support. "Through the SuSE Labs, we are in a position to offer so-called Level 3 support to commercial customers. This guarantees customers effective assistance within a defined timeframe, even at the source code level," explained Tilman Mueller-Gerbes, Vice President of SuSE Holding AG. And furthermore, "next to the SuSE Partner Program, the local service representatives and the support centres, the SuSE Labs will form the third important pillar of our service package. As a leading Linux dealer, SuSE creates the foundation for using Linux in mission-critical applications."
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Sorry if the English got a little hackneyed, but it's far better than the Babelfish version...
Kinda wish they'd go PPC, too...
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I rather wish that SuSE would come out with a PPC version of their distro. Currently they only offer to sell you MkLinux.
Still, it's nice to see them getting into the game. It's a little weird how they seem to be less known than Red Hat, since they're a heckuva lot bigger. We have three SuSE boxes at work and several clients' webservers from us are also running SuSE on dual-Pentia boxes. Pretty cool stuff.
Re:That's logical, but Apple's not.
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I think Apple is (as it has been for the last couple of years) far too focused on generating hype and keeping the propaganda flowing to it's willingly naive user base.
Be that as it may, what does that have to do with MkLinux? Just because Apple ended support doesn't mean that individual Apple people aren't involved. Some still are, though not officially. In the end, it makes no difference.
I'd love to see a real linux port designed for NuBus Macs, but I am certainly not holding my breath.
As an owner of two NuBus Macs, I heartily concur. But MkLinux has the best chance of quickly getting _something_ of Linux full-tilt on the NuBus platform, and many old Macs are out there crying for Linux. A 6100 with a halfway decent HD makes a great little server and can certainly hold its own with any Intel hardware of the same age.
Could it be that they don't want to pave the way for a direct comparison of Mac hardware against x86-based hardware?
Why? Any 6100 is just as good, if not better, than any 486 or early Pentium.
Could it be that they're worried about MacOS market share?
Apple doesn't give a flying rat's-you-know-what for what happens to old NuBus Macs. OS X won't run on them anyway, so why should they care? The person who wants to run Linux on a NuBus Mac is the same kind that can't afford a monster G3 with OS X anyway, so it's no skin off of their teeth.
I don't know the answers to these questions, but I'm sure that Apple stockholders would be strongly against the idea of diluting the already weakened profitmaking potential of Apple products.
*sigh* Sounds like flat-out Mac-bashing for little reason (yet again). I'm not going to try and claim that any Mac can flatten any Intel machine, because that's not the point. The point is, I already *have* that hardware and want to get the best out of it. That's the glory of Linux--I can install it on just about anything, and use it for just about anything. You can't do a hell of a lot with an old Pentium without Linux (or *BSD, for that matter), either. With it, you can do plenty.
Can't be that they sold out. I just saw one last week for sale (still new and still rocking--damn, that Bose sound is awesome) at the local Apple dealer in Hannover, Frings & Kuschnerus. Them folks be at http://www.fundk.de/ if ya wanna try and get it.
The 20th Annies were sold out as of about three years ago. My brother got one of the last handful, at about $2000 (original price was a preposterous $7000)
Can't be that they sold out. I just saw one last week for sale (still new and still rocking--damn, that Bose sound is awesome) at the local Apple dealer in Hannover, Frings & Kuschnerus. Them folks be at http://www.fundk.de/ if ya wanna try and get it.
I realize this is somewhat off topic, but is anyone else having problems installing R5? I've tried both the X installer and the redhat one, and it likes to lock up my system about fifteen percent into installing the packages...is this just me? any help would be greatly appreciated. The most common cause is that the installer doesn't check to make sure that you have enough space on each of your partitions before installing (at least this was the case with R4/4.1 and Yellow Dog 1.0). So it will merrily go on until it runs out of room and then lock up. The only solution is to either reduce the software to be installed (you can, for example, turn off many things you most likely won't need, like DNS/named, etc.) or to combine or rearrange your partitions to make enough room. You especially need to make sure that/opt and/usr get enough room if you install a lot of stuff. If you really aren't sure how big to make your partitions, but do know what software you want, just make one big root partition (naturally along with/swap). That's the easiest way to go. Check out my website at http://linux.macnews.de/ for other tips and news about Linux for Macs. It ain't much, but I try.:-) click and be happy
Speed? Processor speed is virtually irrelevant in Internet serving, as bandwidth and disk access are the gating factors.
Well...they are more important factors in some cases, perhaps, but it certainly doesn't hurt to have a better chip and a faster cache and bus speed...when it comes to databased or dynamically created websites, like with PHP3, having a fast processor is also a big benefit. For that matter, running Perl goes better, too.
mkLinux is the side project of a book publisher
No, it isn't. It was, until recently, sponsored and supported by Apple and OSF, and is just as much an open-source project as any other. It's not beholden to PTF (the publisher you mention). Many NuBus PPC Macs can run Linux thanks only to MkLinux--so please don't go off and slag it like that.
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Interesting. I have lived in Germany now for almost six years, and not long after I arrived I heard about Linux for the first time (1994) via Usenet. It wasn't too long after that SuSE started pushing SuSE Linux, which took root pretty fast. Every company I've worked for or with (six of 'em) have used SuSE Linux in some capacity; my current company uses it for all servers, both intra- and Internet, for ourselves and our clients (we do web design, sometimes also setting up the server as well).
I didn't hear about Red Hat until much later. Odd. Even then I basically heard of it through my interest in MkLinux DR2.
It's also interesting that Linux took root so fast in Germany. Lots of Debian developers, for example, are German (or at least European). By the same token, other 'alternative' OSes were big in Europe but bombed in the US: Atari and above all Amiga (let's hope that they don't set a precedent for Linux).
So in many ways it's not a surprise to see that SuSE is doing so well, in contrast to Red Hat or Caldera--they've been bigger longer. But as the article states, SuSE's and Red Hat's growth curves are about the same--just Red Hat is a step behind. I wish 'em both luck...
cya
Ye Olde Webdesigner
Nuremburg, 6 July 1999 -- The SuSE Holding AG, one of the world's leading Linux distributors, is now making a significant contribution to Linux development. Together in various European locations or connected via the Internet, SuSE programmers are helping many open source projects out.
"The group will carry current, long-term and technologically important Linux projects, independent of short- or medium-term company goals while standing on a firm commercial basis," said Roland Dyroff, chairman of SuSE, about the goals of the SuSE Labs. "As we are bound to the basic principles of open source software, we will release results -- naturally including source code -- for further development and free use. Thus, we are taking on an active product responsibility for Linux."
Previously, SuSE was already active in various projects, like the Linux kernel, glibc, XFree86(TM), KDE and ISDN4Linux. These efforts will now be intensified and will be expanded to include new projects like ALSA (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture) and USB (Universal Serial Bus).
The SuSE Labs will thereby combine Linux know-how with an until recently unique pool, which opens a new level of quality in Linux support. "Through the SuSE Labs, we are in a position to offer so-called Level 3 support to commercial customers. This guarantees customers effective assistance within a defined timeframe, even at the source code level," explained Tilman Mueller-Gerbes, Vice President of SuSE Holding AG. And furthermore, "next to the SuSE Partner Program, the local service representatives and the support centres, the SuSE Labs will form the third important pillar of our service package. As a leading Linux dealer, SuSE creates the foundation for using Linux in mission-critical applications."
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Sorry if the English got a little hackneyed, but it's far better than the Babelfish version...
Ye Olde Webdesigner
Well, if ya wanna pronounce it as the SuSE people do (i.e. in German), it's like this:
zoo-zeh
In other words, it rhymes with "schmooze" with an "eh" on the end. ;-)
Of course, "Susie" sounds cuter. ;-))
cya
Ye Olde Webdesigner
Still, it's nice to see them getting into the game. It's a little weird how they seem to be less known than Red Hat, since they're a heckuva lot bigger. We have three SuSE boxes at work and several clients' webservers from us are also running SuSE on dual-Pentia boxes. Pretty cool stuff.
cya
Ye Olde Webdesigner
Be that as it may, what does that have to do with MkLinux? Just because Apple ended support doesn't mean that individual Apple people aren't involved. Some still are, though not officially. In the end, it makes no difference.
I'd love to see a real linux port designed for NuBus Macs, but I am certainly not holding my breath.
As an owner of two NuBus Macs, I heartily concur. But MkLinux has the best chance of quickly getting _something_ of Linux full-tilt on the NuBus platform, and many old Macs are out there crying for Linux. A 6100 with a halfway decent HD makes a great little server and can certainly hold its own with any Intel hardware of the same age.
Could it be that they don't want to pave the way for a direct comparison of Mac hardware against x86-based hardware?
Why? Any 6100 is just as good, if not better, than any 486 or early Pentium.
Could it be that they're worried about MacOS market share?
Apple doesn't give a flying rat's-you-know-what for what happens to old NuBus Macs. OS X won't run on them anyway, so why should they care? The person who wants to run Linux on a NuBus Mac is the same kind that can't afford a monster G3 with OS X anyway, so it's no skin off of their teeth.
I don't know the answers to these questions, but I'm sure that Apple stockholders would be strongly against the idea of diluting the already weakened profitmaking potential of Apple products.
*sigh* Sounds like flat-out Mac-bashing for little reason (yet again). I'm not going to try and claim that any Mac can flatten any Intel machine, because that's not the point. The point is, I already *have* that hardware and want to get the best out of it. That's the glory of Linux--I can install it on just about anything, and use it for just about anything. You can't do a hell of a lot with an old Pentium without Linux (or *BSD, for that matter), either. With it, you can do plenty.
cya
Ye Olde Webdesigner
"Ma'am, what's yer favorite brand o' bread? In-Bread!"
Thanks for the compliment. Especially the use of "guys" (plural)... ;-)
Too bad it's only my hobby. No cookie for that work. :-/
cya
Ye Olde Webdesigner
"Ma'am, what's yer favorite brand o' bread? In-Bread!"
Whoops, that's http://www.fundk.com/. Sorry... :-/
Can't be that they sold out. I just saw one last week for sale (still new and still rocking--damn, that Bose sound is awesome) at the local Apple dealer in Hannover, Frings & Kuschnerus. Them folks be at http://www.fundk.de/ if ya wanna try and get it.
Didn't see a price, tho.
click and be happy
I realize this is somewhat off topic, but is anyone else having problems installing R5? I've tried both the X installer and the redhat one, and it likes to lock up my system about fifteen percent into installing the packages...is this just me? any help would be greatly appreciated. The most common cause is that the installer doesn't check to make sure that you have enough space on each of your partitions before installing (at least this was the case with R4/4.1 and Yellow Dog 1.0). So it will merrily go on until it runs out of room and then lock up. The only solution is to either reduce the software to be installed (you can, for example, turn off many things you most likely won't need, like DNS/named, etc.) or to combine or rearrange your partitions to make enough room. You especially need to make sure that /opt and /usr get enough room if you install a lot of stuff. If you really aren't sure how big to make your partitions, but do know what software you want, just make one big root partition (naturally along with /swap). That's the easiest way to go. Check out my website at http://linux.macnews.de/ for other tips and news about Linux for Macs. It ain't much, but I try. :-) click and be happy
Speed? Processor speed is virtually irrelevant in Internet serving, as bandwidth and disk access are the gating factors.
Well...they are more important factors in some cases, perhaps, but it certainly doesn't hurt to have a better chip and a faster cache and bus speed...when it comes to databased or dynamically created websites, like with PHP3, having a fast processor is also a big benefit. For that matter, running Perl goes better, too.
mkLinux is the side project of a book publisher
No, it isn't. It was, until recently, sponsored and supported by Apple and OSF, and is just as much an open-source project as any other. It's not beholden to PTF (the publisher you mention). Many NuBus PPC Macs can run Linux thanks only to MkLinux--so please don't go off and slag it like that.
rgds
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