..because in USSR hi-tech worked just for military purposes and only sometimes moved to consumer market, and now he tries to correct this situation. By the way, Moscow itself DOES NOT need IMF money, Moscow is OK thanks to Luzhkov. And STOP messing all of this with Balkan's war. NATO's democracy for selected is facisim and russians remember how they paid 30 billions of lifes for a hope of US, UK and others to destroy USSR with Hitler's hands. We don't want to pay again for Miloshevic and NATO crimes. Just wanna take a look at this chip...
If you look at the backgrounds of German and Swiss managers, you will notice that many don't have college degrees but yet get promoted to senior positions in management and IT. The reason being is that in these countries, the university system is really more like 6 years of a BA and an MA combined learning academic topics like art, philosophy and such along the line of training future academicians.
Many people in Europe undergo apprentice programs where out of high school they work for a company and given an equivalent but focused education in what they will need to know in banking, IT, technology etc.
That's OK, but if you look at the background of senior managers and fast track techs, you will see they are adopting the US model of hiring college educated people to fill their ranks. In fact, foreigners come to the US because are colleges are so much better.
Sure as a talented engineer you can code brilliant programs or draft elegant designs but chances are you will always be a member of the drone class unless you have a management degree of some sort to show that you can work with more than code but also with people.
If you want to start your own company, banks are more willing to loan you capital if you show that you have a degree and have a plan. College also allows you to develop networks of friends, colleagues, and future contacts that might come in handy one day.
If you just want to be a tech then Devry and Chubb gives great specialized knowledge and skills. However, if you want to do bigger things than you will need the credentials as a stepping stone to be given more responsibility within a shorter span of time.
A college education doesn't guarantee success, watch Reality bites for a view of the real world, but without it you are making your life more difficult.
I totally agree -- the Gulf War was more the genre of "internet war" even though i think the media is full of hype anywho... I can remember during the Gulf War finding about things on IRC -- but that of course was before everyone and their mother was on the web with their "portal" news sites offering biased information and then having to retract it moments later... oh well - the world is full media...
->If they so strongly support it, why do we still have this insane crypto export restrictions? The GOP is in control of both houses of Congress, so if they really cared about this, they would've done something about it by now.
Bouth houses of Congress also voted in favor of the ban on partial birth abortion. Clinton vetoed it. Clinton would veto any ease on the restriction of cryptography. Louis Freeh, has been the mose crypto-hostile FBI director in history, he just so happens to be buddy-buddy with the perjurer in chief.
I had been wanting to set up a house answering machine with a WWW gateway for some time. I started to write something myself, but found that there are a few utilities out there that do the job for you. I haven't played with mvm too much, but it looks promising. vgetty seems to work pretty well despite having to write the frontend in shell scripts.
Wasn't there an article in LJ a year or two ago about setup like this? Maybe the guy was just using Linux to control his phone system, but I remember something about voice synthesis.
Bruce recently released united states maps under the GPL. He is active on the autolinux mailing list to help make mobile navigation with Linux easier to implement.
If we ignore ESR, corporations will think all is well in the world and continue to court him.
We need to make noise. Let ESR know we are displeased with him and when he responds to us rudely and without any consideration for who he represents, we let his corporate buddies know that there is a growing difference between "Open Source" and "Free Software".
I would rather have no corporate interest in our community at all than to have corporate interest in crippling the GPL into "Open Source" licenses.
Of course in a perfect world we would have a spokesperson with the zeal of ESR evangelizing the GPL and having it embraced by the likes of IBM, Netscape, Troll Tech, Apple, etc.
I engaged in what started as a friendly email conversation with ESR to try to give him some constructive feedback on what I think he is doing well, and where I think he needs to adjust his course a bit in order to better represent our community. In his position, it is easy to get out of touch or biased by corporate sponsored perks and I was just hoping to offer some grounding.
What I got was some very rude chest thumping and ego pumping.
"Hah. I helped *shape* those ideals. I was one of the original GNU contributors. In fact I was writing free software before GNU existed. Please don't lecture me about roots; mine very likely back to before you were *born*."
This is the man who represents you.
What is worse: 1) Bill Gates selling totally proprietary software to those who don't care about freedom? 2) ESR enticing programmers to work on sort-of-free software but ultimately catering to corporate interests and seeking public recognition of his name?
I say #2. Why? The various "Open Source" licenses all look good on the surface. But upon closer examination, you find that they aren't so attractive. Why didn't Apple use the GPL? Because the GPL levels the playing field, and corporations don't like having the same rights as Joe Hacker in his basement.
I totally believe this threat that ESR issued Perens. And while Perens has a checkered past of his own, I am fully in support of his idea to endorse 10 or more public spokespeople for the free software movement and to back Bruce's idea of each person taking about 1/10 of ESR's current workload.
ESR is running around, unchecked, and while I appreciate his efforts I really would feel much better if he were one of ten rather than one of one. I don't want him to quit. But I do want him to listen to us and I do want him to start distributing some of his load to others in the community. Based on emails I have recieved from ESR, and those recieved by others in recent history, I really think we are being represented by a walking time bomb right now.
If anybody has truth coming out of the region, I'm more than willing to help amplify. In other words, independant news from Albania and FRY.. What I'd really like to see is people with casette recorders interviewing refugees. Videos and independant reporting from Serbia. After all, if government is watched by the media, who watches the media these days? (My guess would be the government.)
You are so right. This is what would make the difference. I have no doubt that NATO will distort facts to their advantage as much as they can get away with. Misolevich will do exactly the same. CNN will continue to do whatever it takes to make sure that people believe their journalists know better than anyone else what is really going on--even if they know little beyond what NATO tells them.
Meanwhile we are all stuck here in the middle of political FUD crossfire while the TRUTH sits beyond our reach!
And, JonKatz, you should be ashamed of yourself for this statement:
If the war in Kosovo demonstrated anything about the Net, it showed that it's a dreadful medium for covering a war.
The Net is a tool that we are still learning to use. Television is a tool that the media has had years to "perfect." I would have expected something a little more visionary from you than a flat declaration that the Net is the wrong tool for the job.
It's quite obvious to me that the Internet is only being used to a fraction of it's potential. Probably to the same extent that people only use a fraction of their brain's potential.
Todd
Every 45 seconds, another arrest for Linux. 695000 last year. It's time for a change.
I am editor at Ace's. The reason why our site is slow now, is the visit of thousands Slashdot readers (Thanks Rob!).
So why should you still bother ? Well,if you want the latest about AMD's future K7.. If you want to solve your videocard problems, IF you want to setup a network at home, if you want to know more about CPU architecture or the latest videocards... you should really pay us a visit!
Thanks again!
(no, you won't find those things at Tom's hardware)
Geez...can't these guys take an anger management course or something? This isn't just a highly public flame war between two people -- it's something that effects everyone who's a part of the open source community.
The suits -- the guys who eventually make decisions about implementing software -- are going to read this. They're going to say "Good Lord, this whole Linux thing is supported by gun-toting yahoos." And then they'll go run Solaris. Or Windows NT.
What I don't think the community understands is that all of this stuff is public now. There's no such thing as a private flame war any more. My own mom can read any of this stuff. So can CIOs. For the good of the community, these two need to take their little feud into a private mailing list. If they want open source to prosper, these public flames will NOT help. With the rest of the world watching nowadays, y'all can't afford this BS.
It occurs to me as I read this that something essential is taken for granted here, an that is whether or not foreign cultures want what we want, or necessarily feel that they are in want of modern technology and society. We seem to believe that other cultures are backward and underdeveloped if they do not embrace modern western ideals and thoughts.
Throughout recent history, western nations, mainly Europeans, have dominated global politics, and forced their version of society upon everyone else, even if it takes military force to do so. In the process many enlightened, flourishing cultures have been destroyed, and at periods were made into mass markets for European mass production. India for example, at the point when Ghandi came onto the scene, couldn't even make a safety pin, nor were they allowed to produce their own salt.
Now we come to the present, and everywhere today you hear about the new "Global Village" and how it is going to make life great and the world better, but not many people ever ask why. Globalization will probably have the same effect on the world as the industrial revolution, and that is causing widespread poverty, enriching the rich, and pillaging the poor. Sure in the end it will all even out, but in the meantime you find yourself competing for your manufacturing job with a starving Somali who is willing to work for a bowl of rice instead of your salary of $15 an hour. And how long will it take to even out any ways?
Basically it comes down to this. For our capitalist, mass production society to work, we need new markets, and this is why you see Clinton pushing for fast track legislation to open up foreign markets, like China, who receives favored nation status despite it's dubious position on basic human rights. The only way for our technocrat society to continue is to sell our products to other nations, our technology and industrialization, the whole taco. And as a result we end up destroying cultures and civilizations that have lasted thousands of years, and who are we to say that ours is any better. The west points to Greece and Rome as the founding nations of our ideals, government, ingenuity and know how. However, neither of these civilizations are around any more, they have long since collapsed, whereas India as a civilization preceded them, and outlasts them to this day, so you tell me, who's doing it right?
I must admit I skimmed over the ranting in the article... not even really getting to the Linux sections in great detail. It is familiar stuff, as joss points our (warmed over Heritage Foundation stuff).
The article really was hilarious though. They really did not want even their daftest readers (out of a daft bunch) to miss their ideological slant. The discussion of Nader, in particular, read like:
"The far leftist Ralph Nader advances leftist positions... oh, btw, did we mention that this is left-wing... and you DO understand that you are supposed to think left=bad, right?"
I would not vote for him on the sole basis that he's made all these idiotic claims about inventing the internet. Instead of coming back and saying "Sorry, what I meant to say was that I fostered the development of the internet while I was in congress" or something like that, he's never retracted it. In fact, he an Billy Boy never admit to doing anything wrong or making any mistakes. It really is a shame.
Maybe we could organize a "Geeks For Libertarians" campaign?
1) There are new technologies out there that can change the world.
2) The internet has exploded and is Big(tm).
3) Most technology is used only for the rich and the rest of the world never sees it. (Or, in a slight variation, the rest of the world sees it for a brief instant before it is poisoned/exploded/mutated by it- my addition)
And this from someone working at the insitute for "advanced study"?
Hmm. The ideas in this book, at first glance anyway, are about as novel and engrossing as Y2k COBOL compliancy checking.
PErhaps we should get rid of LAnd titles too, and all property rights. Whats the difference between a copyright and a deed? Little. Conceptually, they both represent effort.
Stuart is just a mouth of the times - if Buddism was an up-and-coming way of life, he would tout that too.
I shall beat him with my Hardcover "Atlas Shrugged" - it would be worth it.
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Posted by SkiFF:
..because in USSR hi-tech worked just for military purposes and only sometimes moved to consumer market, and now he tries to correct this situation. By the way, Moscow itself DOES NOT need IMF money, Moscow is OK thanks to Luzhkov.
And STOP messing all of this with Balkan's war. NATO's democracy for selected is facisim and russians remember how they paid 30 billions of lifes for a hope of US, UK and others to destroy USSR with Hitler's hands. We don't want to pay again for Miloshevic and NATO crimes. Just wanna take a look at this chip...
Posted by fatdragon:
If you look at the backgrounds of German and Swiss managers, you will notice that many don't have college degrees but yet get promoted to senior positions in management and IT. The reason being is that in these countries, the university system is really more like 6 years of a BA and an MA combined learning academic topics like art, philosophy and such along the line of training future academicians.
Many people in Europe undergo apprentice programs where out of high school they work for a company and given an equivalent but focused education in what they will need to know in banking, IT, technology etc.
That's OK, but if you look at the background of senior managers and fast track techs, you will see they are adopting the US model of hiring college educated people to fill their ranks. In fact, foreigners come to the US because are colleges are so much better.
Sure as a talented engineer you can code brilliant programs or draft elegant designs but chances are you will always be a member of the drone class unless you have a management degree of some sort to show that you can work with more than code but also with people.
If you want to start your own company, banks are more willing to loan you capital if you show that you have a degree and have a plan. College also allows you to develop networks of friends, colleagues, and future contacts that might come in handy one day.
If you just want to be a tech then Devry and Chubb gives great specialized knowledge and skills. However, if you want to do bigger things than you will need the credentials as a stepping stone to be given more responsibility within a shorter span of time.
A college education doesn't guarantee success, watch Reality bites for a view of the real world, but without it you are making your life more difficult.
Posted by pennacook:
I totally agree -- the Gulf War was more the genre of "internet war" even though i think the media is full of hype anywho...
I can remember during the Gulf War finding about things on IRC -- but that of course was before everyone and their mother was on the web with their "portal" news sites offering biased information and then having to retract it moments later... oh well - the world is full media...
Posted by Lord Kano-The Gangster Of Love:
->If they so strongly support it, why do we still have this insane crypto export restrictions? The GOP is in control of both houses of Congress, so if they really cared about this, they would've done something about it by now.
Bouth houses of Congress also voted in favor of the ban on partial birth abortion. Clinton vetoed it. Clinton would veto any ease on the restriction of cryptography. Louis Freeh, has been the mose crypto-hostile FBI director in history, he just so happens to be buddy-buddy with the perjurer in chief.
LK
Posted by Aven:
I had been wanting to set up a house answering machine with a WWW gateway for some time. I started to write something myself, but found that there are a few utilities out there that do the job for you. I haven't played with mvm too much, but it looks promising. vgetty seems to work pretty well despite having to write the frontend in shell scripts.
http://alpha.greenie.net/mgetty/
http://www-internal.alphanet.ch/~schaefer/mvm/
You'll also need rsynth or some type of text-to-speech package for mvm to work. Good luck.
Posted by Reitzel:
Good grief. *Nix has beed pronounced dead even
more often than OS2.
Maybe somebody needs to sharpen a stake...
Posted by smich:
Wasn't there an article in LJ a year or two ago about setup like this? Maybe the guy was just using Linux to control his phone system, but I remember something about voice synthesis.
If you knew my memory...
when do you want to reboot today?
Hmm.. that slogan assumes that you CAN control when you want to reboot! :)
NJV
Posted by NJViking:
What is: "IANAL. YMMV." ??
Just wondering.
NJV
Posted by The ULTIMATE Crippler:
Bruce recently released united states maps under the GPL. He is active on the autolinux mailing list to help make mobile navigation with Linux easier to implement.
Posted by The ULTIMATE Crippler:
Who do you think wrote it?
Like it or not, at least he had the cajones to realize what a monster he helped to create and is now pushing "FREE" over "OPEN".
Posted by The ULTIMATE Crippler:
If we ignore ESR, corporations will think all is well in the world and continue to court him.
We need to make noise. Let ESR know we are displeased with him and when he responds to us rudely and without any consideration for who he represents, we let his corporate buddies know that there is a growing difference between "Open Source" and "Free Software".
I would rather have no corporate interest in our community at all than to have corporate interest in crippling the GPL into "Open Source" licenses.
Of course in a perfect world we would have a spokesperson with the zeal of ESR evangelizing the GPL and having it embraced by the likes of IBM, Netscape, Troll Tech, Apple, etc.
Posted by The ULTIMATE Crippler:
I engaged in what started as a friendly email conversation with ESR to try to give him some constructive feedback on what I think he is doing well, and where I think he needs to adjust his course a bit in order to better represent our community. In his position, it is easy to get out of touch or biased by corporate sponsored perks and I was just hoping to offer some grounding.
What I got was some very rude chest thumping and ego pumping.
"Hah. I helped *shape* those ideals. I was one of the original GNU contributors. In fact I was writing free software before GNU existed. Please don't lecture me about roots; mine very likely back to before you were *born*."
This is the man who represents you.
What is worse:
1) Bill Gates selling totally proprietary software to those who don't care about freedom?
2) ESR enticing programmers to work on sort-of-free software but ultimately catering to corporate interests and seeking public recognition of his name?
I say #2. Why? The various "Open Source" licenses all look good on the surface. But upon closer examination, you find that they aren't so attractive. Why didn't Apple use the GPL? Because the GPL levels the playing field, and corporations don't like having the same rights as Joe Hacker in his basement.
I totally believe this threat that ESR issued Perens. And while Perens has a checkered past of his own, I am fully in support of his idea to endorse 10 or more public spokespeople for the free software movement and to back Bruce's idea of each person taking about 1/10 of ESR's current workload.
ESR is running around, unchecked, and while I appreciate his efforts I really would feel much better if he were one of ten rather than one of one. I don't want him to quit. But I do want him to listen to us and I do want him to start distributing some of his load to others in the community. Based on emails I have recieved from ESR, and those recieved by others in recent history, I really think we are being represented by a walking time bomb right now.
Panaflex wrote:
If anybody has truth coming out of the region, I'm more than willing to help amplify. In other words, independant news from Albania and FRY.. What I'd really like to see is people with casette recorders interviewing refugees. Videos and independant reporting from Serbia.
After all, if government is watched by the media, who watches the media these days? (My guess would be the government.)
You are so right. This is what would make the difference. I have no doubt that NATO will distort facts to their advantage as much as they can get away with. Misolevich will do exactly the same. CNN will continue to do whatever it takes to make sure that people believe their journalists know better than anyone else what is really going on--even if they know little beyond what NATO tells them.
Meanwhile we are all stuck here in the middle of political FUD crossfire while the TRUTH sits beyond our reach!
And, JonKatz, you should be ashamed of yourself for this statement:
If the war in Kosovo demonstrated anything about the Net, it showed that it's a dreadful medium for covering a war.
The Net is a tool that we are still learning to use. Television is a tool that the media has had years to "perfect." I would have expected something a little more visionary from you than a flat declaration that the Net is the wrong tool for the job.
It's quite obvious to me that the Internet is only being used to a fraction of it's potential. Probably to the same extent that people only use a fraction of their brain's potential.
Todd
Every 45 seconds, another arrest for Linux. 695000 last year. It's time for a change.
Posted by JohanAce:
Hi,
I am editor at Ace's. The reason why our site is slow now, is the visit of thousands Slashdot readers (Thanks Rob!).
So why should you still bother ?
Well,if you want the latest about AMD's future K7..
If you want to solve your videocard problems,
IF you want to setup a network at home,
if you want to know more about CPU architecture or
the latest videocards...
you should really pay us a visit!
Thanks again!
(no, you won't find those things at Tom's hardware)
Posted by Art Pepper:
I can hardly hear any of this over B.G.'s laughter. Both of them sure are making open source/free software looks pretty pathetic.
I'm embarassed by it all.
Posted by Mike@ABC:
Geez...can't these guys take an anger management course or something? This isn't just a highly public flame war between two people -- it's something that effects everyone who's a part of the open source community.
The suits -- the guys who eventually make decisions about implementing software -- are going to read this. They're going to say "Good Lord, this whole Linux thing is supported by gun-toting yahoos." And then they'll go run Solaris. Or Windows NT.
What I don't think the community understands is that all of this stuff is public now. There's no such thing as a private flame war any more. My own mom can read any of this stuff. So can CIOs. For the good of the community, these two need to take their little feud into a private mailing list. If they want open source to prosper, these public flames will NOT help. With the rest of the world watching nowadays, y'all can't afford this BS.
Again, this is just my opinion. I could be wrong.
Posted by Hungry Joe:
It occurs to me as I read this that something essential is taken for granted here, an that is whether or not foreign cultures want what we want, or necessarily feel that they are in want of modern technology and society. We seem to believe that other cultures are backward and underdeveloped if they do not embrace modern western ideals and thoughts.
Throughout recent history, western nations, mainly Europeans, have dominated global politics, and forced their version of society upon everyone else, even if it takes military force to do so. In the process many enlightened, flourishing cultures have been destroyed, and at periods were made into mass markets for European mass production. India for example, at the point when Ghandi came onto the scene, couldn't even make a safety pin, nor were they allowed to produce their own salt.
Now we come to the present, and everywhere today you hear about the new "Global Village" and how it is going to make life great and the world better, but not many people ever ask why. Globalization will probably have the same effect on the world as the industrial revolution, and that is causing widespread poverty, enriching the rich, and pillaging the poor. Sure in the end it will all even out, but in the meantime you find yourself competing for your manufacturing job with a starving Somali who is willing to work for a bowl of rice instead of your salary of $15 an hour. And how long will it take to even out any ways?
Basically it comes down to this. For our capitalist, mass production society to work, we need new markets, and this is why you see Clinton pushing for fast track legislation to open up foreign markets, like China, who receives favored nation status despite it's dubious position on basic human rights. The only way for our technocrat society to continue is to sell our products to other nations, our technology and industrialization, the whole taco. And as a result we end up destroying cultures and civilizations that have lasted thousands of years, and who are we to say that ours is any better. The west points to Greece and Rome as the founding nations of our ideals, government, ingenuity and know how. However, neither of these civilizations are around any more, they have long since collapsed, whereas India as a civilization preceded them, and outlasts them to this day, so you tell me, who's doing it right?
Posted by JY:
I'm happy to hear that he's aware of the open source community, at least he didn't stare in wide eyed wonder at a supermarket check-out scanner.
Posted by Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters:
I must admit I skimmed over the ranting in the article... not even really getting to the Linux sections in great detail. It is familiar stuff, as joss points our (warmed over Heritage Foundation stuff).
The article really was hilarious though. They really did not want even their daftest readers (out of a daft bunch) to miss their ideological slant. The discussion of Nader, in particular, read like:
"The far leftist Ralph Nader advances leftist positions... oh, btw, did we mention that this is left-wing... and you DO understand that you are supposed to think left=bad, right?"
Yours, Lulu...
Posted by Assmodeus:
/.ed i couldnt get through to it to save my life...
splendid. another site
Posted by proteusrage:
I would not vote for him on the sole basis that he's made all these idiotic claims about inventing the internet. Instead of coming back and saying "Sorry, what I meant to say was that I fostered the development of the internet while I was in congress" or something like that, he's never retracted it. In fact, he an Billy Boy never admit to doing anything wrong or making any mistakes. It really is a shame.
Maybe we could organize a "Geeks For Libertarians" campaign?
Posted by The Mongolian Barbecue:
Let's see, what are Dyson's major points?
1) There are new technologies out there that can change the world.
2) The internet has exploded and is Big(tm).
3) Most technology is used only for the rich and the rest of the world never sees it. (Or, in a slight variation, the rest of the world sees it for a brief instant before it is poisoned/exploded/mutated by it- my addition)
And this from someone working at the insitute for "advanced study"?
Hmm. The ideas in this book, at first glance anyway, are about as novel and engrossing as Y2k COBOL compliancy checking.
Posted by hrearden:
PErhaps we should get rid of LAnd titles too, and all property rights. Whats the difference between a copyright and a deed? Little. Conceptually, they both represent effort.
Stuart is just a mouth of the times - if Buddism was an up-and-coming way of life, he would tout that too.
I shall beat him with my Hardcover "Atlas Shrugged" - it would be worth it.
Posted by sumanth:
No good CD-RW's in scsi? ever hear of plextor? the "rolls-royce of cd-rom drives", I can't wait till the make DVD drives...